Who is the bride of Christ.

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ebe

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Hi Ter,

Jesus said;(1) but to sit on my right hand, and on my left, is not mine to give.

Another Quote; (2) And I appoint unto you a kingdom, as my Father hath appointed unto me.

Help me to understand these verses?

Peace..

the (1) Jesus was talking about the place or position (seen through men eyes) that they or any other that is redeemed from the earth would have in his kingdom ,the qualifications for the positions are like this ;Mt 20:26 Not so with you. Instead, whoever wants to become great among you must be your servant,
Mt 20:27 and whoever wants to be first must be your slave—
Mt 20:28 just as the Son of Man did not come to be served, but to serve, and to give his life as a ransom for many.”

the (2) Christ talks about the kingdom he ad recieved from his father and in this scriptures he makes a promise that he would share it with them ,so it look more as a proposal to join him to work for it ,
we know that Christ kingdom is an heavenly kingdom and not all are invited only 144k are.

all other like the great crowed are only invited to be living in it and benefit from it through changing their lives in according to Gods will ,and so become cityzen of the kingdom not rulers,

this is what I think being the truth

Hi Ter,

Matt20:23 but to sit on my right hand and on my left is not Mine to give, but it is for those for whom it is prepared by the Father.

:23 is not Mine to give,

Peace…

ebe

yes that is true ;that is why I quoted you the scripture,were Christ explain how the seats are given out ,

do you understand this

Hi Ter,

Im talking about the contradiction?

Jesus says its not mine TO GIVE.

Then he says I appoint unto you a kingdom.

It looks like a contradiction?

Peace….

Abe.

It is not acontradiction.

The kingdom is being prepared and it is coming.

The ones in the kingdom will be the jews that *God* has chosen,and the saints will be there to teach them,for a 1000yrs.

The saints will be the first; given a glorified body,and to inherit all. The jews has to be taught Christ first,and then they also will be given a glorified body.After the 1000yrs are finished,in the second resurrection.

wakeup.

January 18, 2013 at 6:01 am#328709

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wup

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Are we the children of God or the bride of Christ?

that is a question that time will answer wen we be there either in the 144k group or the great crowed because the seats are given by God and the judgement is done by Christ ,with the double edge sword ,

so many that think that they would be there will not ,and many that we think will not be there will be there ,

Terra.

You should have known by now that the woman is not the children commonsense should tell.

Jesus was born out of this woman.
We are not this woman,but the children of.

wakeup.

Hi Wakeup,

Gal.4:26 But the Jerusalem above is free, which is the mother of us all.

Peace.

Abe.

Thats a good one.
This is what I have been trying to tell them.
But because it does not look as they were taucht,
they reject it. And I am false.

wakeup

Hi Wakeup,

You believe what you believe.

Peace……….

Abe.

Not correct.

I believe what the scripture says,and none can refute that. Your believe can be proven wrong, and I have done that.

wakeup.

January 18, 2013 at 6:49 am#328715

abe

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Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 17 2013,20:56)

The kingdom is being prepared and it is coming.

The ones in the kingdom will be the jews that *God* has chosen,and the saints will be there to teach them,for a 1000yrs.

wakeup.

Hi Wakeup,

Could I have some verses for these words.

Peace..

January 18, 2013 at 8:04 am#328722

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Abe

I do not see a contradiction between those two scriptures,

In one Christ offers a kingdom ,and on the other he says ,well I get you guys in but were you be sitting and what your job will be that is my fathers will,

I do no see no conflict at all ,

If you see it ,please show me

January 18, 2013 at 8:19 am#328724

abe

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Abe

I do not see a contradiction between those two scriptures,

In one Christ offers a kingdom ,and on the other he says ,well I get you guys in but were you be sitting and what your job will be that is my fathers will,

I do no see no conflict at all ,

If you see it ,please show me

Hi Ter,

1. I appoint unto you.

2. Is not mine to give.

Im not saying the verses are contrary. Jesus says it is not mine to give.
Then he is appointing or it is not mine to appoint.

Is that clear?

Peace..

January 18, 2013 at 8:27 am#328726

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Abe

I do not see a contradiction between those two scriptures,

In one Christ offers a kingdom ,and on the other he says ,well I get you guys in but were you be sitting and what your job will be that is my fathers will,

I do no see no conflict at all ,

If you see it ,please show me

Hi Ter,

1. I appoint unto you.

2. Is not mine to give.

Im not saying the verses are contrary. Jesus says it is not mine to give.
Then he is appointing or it is not mine to appoint.

Is that clear?

Peace..

Ebe

No,

1) he talks about a kingdom

2) here he talks about the position places into that kingdom ,and that he says is not mine to give ,but offer them a part into the kingdom he as received from his father ,yes that was his to share if he want it that way,

This is the way I understand those scriptures

January 18, 2013 at 11:51 am#328737

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Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 17 2013,20:56)

The kingdom is being prepared and it is coming.

The ones in the kingdom will be the jews that *God* has chosen,and the saints will be there to teach them,for a 1000yrs.

wakeup.

Hi Wakeup,

Could I have some verses for these words.

Peace..

Abe.

The 1000yr kingdom on earth;jews only in the flesh.
the saints will be their teachers.

Isaiah 11:6 The wolf also shall dwell with the lamb, and the leopard shall lie down with the kid; and the calf and the young lion and the fatling together; and a little child shall lead them.

Isaiah 11:7 And the cow and the bear shall feed; their young ones shall lie down together: and the lion shall eat straw like the ox.

Isaiah 11:8 And the sucking child shall play on the hole of the asp, and the weaned child shall put his hand on the cockatrice' den.

Isaiah 11:9 They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain: for the earth shall be full of the knowledge of the LORD, as the waters cover the sea.

Isaiah 11:10 And in that day there shall be a **root of Jesse**, which shall stand for an ensign of the people; to it shall the Gentiles seek: and *his rest* shall be *glorious*.

Isaiah 11:11 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the Lord shall set his hand again the *second time*
(FIRST TIME HAPPENED IN 1948) to recover the remnant of his people, which shall be left, from Assyria, and from Egypt, and from Pathros, and from Cush, and from Elam, and from Shinar, and from Hamath, and from the islands of the sea.

Isaiah 11:12 And he shall set up an ensign for the nations, and shall assemble the outcasts of Israel, and gather together the dispersed of Judah from the four corners of the earth.

Isaiah 65:17 For, behold, I create *new heavens* and a *new earth*: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind.

Isaiah 65:18 But be ye glad and rejoice for ever in that which I create: for, behold, *I create Jerusalem a rejoicing*, and her people a joy.

Isaiah 65:19 And *I will rejoice in Jerusalem*, and joy in my people: and the voice of *weeping shall be no more* heard in her, nor the voice of crying.

Isaiah 65:20 There shall be no more thence an infant of days, nor an old man that hath not filled his days: for the child shall die an hundred years old; but the sinner being an hundred years old shall be accursed.

Isaiah 65:21 And they shall build houses, and inhabit them; and they shall plant vineyards, and eat the fruit of them.

Isaiah 65:22 They shall not build, and another inhabit; they shall not plant, and another eat: for as the days of a tree are the days of my people, and mine elect shall long enjoy the work of their hands.

Isaiah 65:23 They shall not labour in vain, nor bring forth for trouble; for they are the seed of the blessed of the LORD, and their offspring with them.

Isaiah 65:24 And *it shall come to pass*, that before they call, I will answer; and while they are yet speaking, I will hear.

Isaiah 65:25 The wolf and the lamb shall feed together, and the lion shall eat straw like the bullock: and dust shall be the serpent's meat. They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain, saith the LORD.

THIS IS THE 1000YR KINGDOM.

wakeup.

January 18, 2013 at 2:33 pm#328741

journey42

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Isaiah 11:12 And he shall set up an ensign for the nations, and shall assemble the outcasts of Israel, and gather together the dispersed of Judah from the four corners of the earth.

Isaiah 65:22 They shall not build, and another inhabit; they shall not plant, and another eat: for as the days of a tree are the days of my people, …..and mine elect…. shall long enjoy the work of their hands.

Matthew 24:22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.
Romans 11:28 As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the fathers' sakes.

At Christ's second coming, On the 7th trumpet, the dead will be raised (resurrected) and those alive will be picked up (quickened), and TOGETHER they will meet the Lord in the air. Then, the False Prophet and his armies will war against the lamb and his saints who have been changed to spirit and in the air also with Christ. And except those days be shortened, no flesh should be saved, but for the ELECT'S SAKE those days will be shortened. In other words, you cannot kill the saints, because they are already with Christ and given their new glorified bodies, …they can never be harmed again…but the Elect, which is of Israel are still flesh and blood. Christ comes and stops this war for the sake of his Elect, which is Israel in the flesh (not all of them, but his chosen ones only) Not spiritual Israelites either, but the real ones. The spiritual Israelites are already with Christ.

this is the war Christ comes to stop
Rev 9:14 Saying to the sixth angel which had the trumpet, Loose the four angels which are bound in the great river euphrates.
Rev 9:15 And the four angels were loosed which were prepared for an hour, and a day, and a month, and a year, for to slay the third part of men.
Rev 9:16 And the number of the army and of the horsemen were two hundred thousand thousand: and I heard the number of them.

This is the same war
Rev 16:12 And the sixth angel poured out his vial upon the great river Euphrates, and the water thereof was dried up, that the way of the kings of the east might be prepared.

The Kings of the East cross over the Euphrates that is dried up, and they go into Israel to battle the false prophet and his armies (King of the North). This war will either be going on for one year, one month and one day, or it will take this long to prepare, plan, and travel over for this battle. Nevertheless, they will all meet in Israel to battle each other. There will be 200 million soldiers there. I'm not sure, how many actually die, but the intent is to kill a third of men.

Then, when they are fighting, or just about to, Christ comes to stop the war. How does he do this? He appears in the sky. His saints are taken up with him. The sky would be black from all the smoke of the war, or from the fourth plague (rev 8:12) which is the fourth angel,…when a third part of the sun, moon and stars are smitten. A dark sky anyway, and all people will see a light shinning through that smoke or darkness. They will not know what it is, and the false prophet will call a cease fire, and gather those armies to combine and fight this alien thing in the sky. This is how that war stops. Christ intervenes with his coming. “Every eye shall see”. All they see is a strange bright light. I suppose the whole sky will be lit up from Christ's glory with his saints and angels, and that light will penetrate through the dark sky. Now they turn their guns and fight against Christ in the sky, not knowing it is him with his saints and angels. This is the big delusion.

The point of all this however, is that besides rewarding his servants with a new glorified body, God intends on restoring Israel for his name's sake, and because of that promise he made to Abraham. Israel as a nation will be restored, and they will know the Lord Jesus Christ. The kingdom on earth will be in Israel. Israel are God's elect, that he mentions. A different type of elect. Certain ones (Israelites only) are chosen to be in this kingdom and protected for 1000 years. They are flesh. (Remember it says a child shall live to be a hundred years old.)
God has finished punishing Israel for their disobedience, and now he will give them another chance. This place where the lion eats straw is that place, Israel, where Christ sets up his kingdom on earth. This place was once Eden. The original Garden of Eden was in Jerusalem. God chose it from the beginning. It will be paradise again. Restored. With no Satan there anymore to corrupt. And the nations can come in and learn, but they cannot live there, and nothing defiled can enter. Christ knows the heart, and this piece of land will be heavily guarded by Christ.

January 18, 2013 at 3:04 pm#328742

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Hi Abe,

Some scriptures to consider…

Isaiah 19:23 >In that day shall there be a highway out of Egypt to Assyria, and the Assyrian shall come into Egypt, and the Egyptian into Assyria, and the Egyptians shall serve with the Assyrians.

Isaiah 19:24 >In that day shall Israel be the third with Egypt and with Assyria, even a blessing in the midst of the land:

Isaiah 19:25 >Whom the LORD of hosts shall bless, saying, Blessed be Egypt my people, and Assyria the work of my hands, and Israel mine inheritance.

Cheers.

January 18, 2013 at 4:07 pm#328743

942767

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Hi Wakeup:

And so, according to you, the woman (God's doctrine) fled into the wilderness?

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Rev 12:6 And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred [and] threescore days.

Love in Christ,
Marty

Marty.

This woman is the daughter of Zion.
The teachings of Christ on earth.
His followers.

wakeup.

Hi Wakeup:

And so, Jesus was born from his followers here on earth?

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and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born.

Rev 12:5 And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and [to] his throne.

Love in Christ,
Marty

January 18, 2013 at 6:36 pm#328754

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Hi Wakeup,

How many verses in the bible are you going to ignore to protect YOUR doctrine of futurism?

“Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God.” (Matt 5:9)

God bless
Ed J

“For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.” (Gal 3:26)

EdJ.

Are we the children of God or the bride of Christ?

The kingdom is *coming* this is the truth.
Thy Kingdom *come*,thy will be done.

Not thy kingdom *has come* these are the premillennialists.Twisting the word.

If the kingdom is here ,then you have missed the resurrection. You have been left behind.

Two will be working in the field, one will be taken and the other left. You would be the other.

wakeup.

Hi Wakeup,

That's not how the ideas tie together at all.

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

January 18, 2013 at 6:37 pm#328755

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wup

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Are we the children of God or the bride of Christ?

so many that think that they would be there will not ,and many that we think will not be there will be there ,

Hi Pierre,

That's JW doctrine. The number 144 or 144,000 is symbolic.

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

January 18, 2013 at 6:59 pm#328760

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wup

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Are we the children of God or the bride of Christ?

so many that think that they would be there will not ,and many that we think will not be there will be there ,

Hi Pierre,

That's JW doctrine. The number 144 or 144,000 is symbolic.

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

edj

show me that the 144000 redeemed are symbolic ???in scripture,

show me that the great crowed his symbolic in scriptures

never mind the JW

January 18, 2013 at 8:20 pm#328780

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Hi Pierre,

Melchizedek was a “King Priest” office
rather than just merely a person.
Jesus Christ fills this office.

“Blessed be the LORD God of Shem” (Gen 9:26)
“Tents of Shem” equal 144

Genesis 9:27 God shall enlarge Japheth, and he shall dwell in
the tents of Shem(144); and Canaan(Ham's son) shall be his servant.

The Holy City, New Jerusalem (Rev 21:16-17 )

The length and the breadth and the height of it are equal. And he measured the wall thereof,
an hundred and forty and four(144) cubits, according to the measure of a man, that is, of the angel.

Revelation 14:3 And they sung as it were a new song before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and
no man could learn that song but the hundred and forty and four(144) thousand, which were redeemed from the earth.

Here's where it starts to get interesting

Rev 7:4 And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed
an hundred and forty and four thousand(144,000) of all the tribes of the children of Israel.

“an hundred and forty and four thousand“ – equals 373 (which is the 74th Prime number)

Here's where it starts to get's even more interesting

“JESUS OF NAZARETH THE KING OF THE JEWS”=373 (John 19:19)
This most popular phrase curiously adds up to the 74th prime number: 373.
Furthermore: “The King” equals 74 as well, which is at the center of this complete phrase.

The significance of the number 74

In English, the significant number 74 is attributed to “JOSHUA”=74 and “Messiah”=74; also
in the following: “JESUS”=74, “Cross”=74, “Gospel”=74, and even “English”=74.

“Jesus Christ” (74×32) also factors 74 in Greek Theomatically:
[Jesus] Ιησους=74(x12), [Christ] Χριστоς=74(x20).
[Son of Man] υιος τον ανθρωπου=74(x40).

And even GEMATRIA equals 74.

Your friend!
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

January 18, 2013 at 9:00 pm#328782

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Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 19 2013,06:20)

Hi Pierre,

Melchizedek was a “King Priest” office
rather than just merely a person.
Jesus Christ fills this office.

“Blessed be the LORD God of Shem” (Gen 9:26)
“Tents of Shem” equal 144

Genesis 9:27 God shall enlarge Japheth, and he shall dwell in
the tents of Shem(144); and Canaan(Ham's son) shall be his servant.

The Holy City, New Jerusalem (Rev 21:16-17 )

The length and the breadth and the height of it are equal. And he measured the wall thereof,
an hundred and forty and four(144) cubits, according to the measure of a man, that is, of the angel.

Here's where it starts to get interesting

Rev 7:4 And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed
an hundred and forty and four thousand(144,000) of all the tribes of the children of Israel.

“an hundred and forty and four thousand“ – equals 373 (which is the 74th Prime number)

Here's where it starts to get's even more interesting

The significance of the number 74

In English, the significant number 74 is attributed to “JOSHUA”=74 and “Messiah”=74; also
in the following: “JESUS”=74, “Cross”=74, “Gospel”=74, and even “English”=74.

“Jesus Christ” (74×32) also factors 74 in Greek Theomatically:
[Jesus] Ιησους=74(x12), [Christ] Χριστоς=74(x20).
[Son of Man] υιος τον ανθρωπου=74(x40).

And even GEMATRIA equals 74.

Your friend!
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

EdJ.

Can you state the history of your numbers.
The beginning,where it started.

wakeup.

January 18, 2013 at 10:09 pm#328786

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Hi Wakeup,

Hebrew used the letters of there alphabet, like
we use the letters of ours when making an outline.
Did you ever learn how to make an outline in school?

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

January 18, 2013 at 11:21 pm#328796

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Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 19 2013,01:20)

Hi Pierre,

Melchizedek was a “King Priest” office
rather than just merely a person.
Jesus Christ fills this office.

“Blessed be the LORD God of Shem” (Gen 9:26)
“Tents of Shem” equal 144

Genesis 9:27 God shall enlarge Japheth, and he shall dwell in
the tents of Shem(144); and Canaan(Ham's son) shall be his servant.

The Holy City, New Jerusalem (Rev 21:16-17 )

The length and the breadth and the height of it are equal. And he measured the wall thereof,
an hundred and forty and four(144) cubits, according to the measure of a man, that is, of the angel.

Here's where it starts to get interesting

Rev 7:4 And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed
an hundred and forty and four thousand(144,000) of all the tribes of the children of Israel.

“an hundred and forty and four thousand“ – equals 373 (which is the 74th Prime number)

Here's where it starts to get's even more interesting

The significance of the number 74

In English, the significant number 74 is attributed to “JOSHUA”=74 and “Messiah”=74; also
in the following: “JESUS”=74, “Cross”=74, “Gospel”=74, and even “English”=74.

“Jesus Christ” (74×32) also factors 74 in Greek Theomatically:
[Jesus] Ιησους=74(x12), [Christ] Χριστоς=74(x20).
[Son of Man] υιος τον ανθρωπου=74(x40).

And even GEMATRIA equals 74.

Your friend!
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

edj

lets be honest ;all you show me ,his of your fabrication and composition ,

my scriptures say plainly ;

Rev 7:4 Then I heard the number of those who were sealed: 144,000 from all the tribes of Israel.

No one could learn the song except the 144,000 who had been redeemed from the earth.
Rev 14:4 These are those who did not defile themselves with women, for they kept themselves pure. They follow the Lamb wherever he goes. They were purchased from among men and offered as firstfruits to God and the Lamb.
Rev 14:5 No lie was found in their mouths; they are blameless.

I do nothing to those scriptures beside reading them as they are written ,

on the other hand you make me a composition of twisting the mind to come to some vague understanding were you deny the the truth of Gods written word ,

are you know declare me be on milk and so do not understand your gibberish

January 18, 2013 at 11:30 pm#328798

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edj

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Hi Pierre,

Melchizedek was a “King Priest” office
rather than just merely a person.
Jesus Christ fills this office.

any one that can be called a person has usually a trade ,and so we could refer to him in both ways ,

tell by his name or call him the plumber ,or carpenter,black smith ect; in this case his name was “Melchizedek” and his trade or occupation was ” Priest ” but he also was a dignitary in his own town and so was a KING as well , so is your beef with this

Many kings in history were people ,had a trade many were Generals ,or supreme military chiefs and some were as dummy as their shoes

January 19, 2013 at 10:38 am#328920

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Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 19 2013,08:09)

Hi Wakeup,

Hebrew used the letters of there alphabet, like
we use the letters of ours when making an outline.
Did you ever learn how to make an outline in school?

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

EdJ

Did God ever indicate to man to study them,or was it just a man thing?

wakeup.

January 19, 2013 at 11:34 am#328932