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Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 16 2013,07:41) Quote (942767 @ Jan. 16 2013,02:11) Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 15 2013,20:01) Quote (942767 @ Jan. 15 2013,13:05) Hi Wakeup: And so, what are you trying to prove by your analysis?
The question was: “who is the bride of Christ”? And the scriptures have stated that the church is the bride of Christ. He(Jesus) is the head of the body and we who are born again Christians are members of his body.
Also, the scripture does not state that the woman was standing of the moon. It states that the woman was clothed with the sun with the moon under her feet.
Love in Christ,
Marty.Revelation 12:1 And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars:
Revelation 12:2 And she being with child cried, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered.
********Can you just try to explain these scriptures?
This woman is before Christ; he was born of her.
How can *WE* and CHRIST* be this woman?anyone?
wakeup.
Hi Wakeup:The Woman is the Nation of Israel. Jesus was a Jew, and came forth from the nation of Israel and was under the Law, the Old Covenant.
We are now under the new covenant. Jesus gave his life and has been exalted to the right hand of the Father as head of the church, and we are members of his body.
Is this clear enough?
Love in Christ,
Marty
Marty.Not correct.
This woman was shining like the sun and she was not standing on the earth,but the moon.
Jusus was not born of a corrupt nation.
wakeup.
Hi Wakeup:There were those of the Nation of Israel who were in right standing with God, and so, no Jesus was not born from a corrupt nation.
Jesus speaking to the Samaritan woman said this:
Quote John 4:22Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews. The scripture states that there was a wonder in heaven, but if you read the scriptures, the events were occuring on earth. The scripture states that the child that was born of the woman was caught up to God, and also it states that the dragon was there to devour the child that was to be born of the woman (that was Herod who tried to kill Jesus by killing all of the infants age 2 and under)
Love in Christ,
MartyQuote (942767 @ Jan. 17 2013,05:09) Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 16 2013,07:41) Quote (942767 @ Jan. 16 2013,02:11) Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 15 2013,20:01) Quote (942767 @ Jan. 15 2013,13:05) Hi Wakeup: And so, what are you trying to prove by your analysis?
The question was: “who is the bride of Christ”? And the scriptures have stated that the church is the bride of Christ. He(Jesus) is the head of the body and we who are born again Christians are members of his body.
Also, the scripture does not state that the woman was standing of the moon. It states that the woman was clothed with the sun with the moon under her feet.
Love in Christ,
Marty.Revelation 12:1 And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars:
Revelation 12:2 And she being with child cried, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered.
********Can you just try to explain these scriptures?
This woman is before Christ; he was born of her.
How can *WE* and CHRIST* be this woman?anyone?
wakeup.
Hi Wakeup:The Woman is the Nation of Israel. Jesus was a Jew, and came forth from the nation of Israel and was under the Law, the Old Covenant.
We are now under the new covenant. Jesus gave his life and has been exalted to the right hand of the Father as head of the church, and we are members of his body.
Is this clear enough?
Love in Christ,
Marty
Marty.Not correct.
This woman was shining like the sun and she was not standing on the earth,but the moon.
Jusus was not born of a corrupt nation.
wakeup.
Hi Wakeup:There were those of the Nation of Israel who were in right standing with God, and so, no Jesus was not born from a corrupt nation.
Jesus speaking to the Samaritan woman said this:
Quote John 4:22Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews. The scripture states that there was a wonder in heaven, but if you read the scriptures, the events were occuring on earth. The scripture states that the child that was born of the woman was caught up to God, and also it states that the dragon was there to devour the child that was to be born of the woman (that was Herod who tried to kill Jesus by killing all of the infants age 2 and under)
Love in Christ,
Marty
Hi Marty.I agree regarding Herod,thats correct.
But jesus came down from heaven.
He was born by the will of his Father.
Gods woman is his doctrine,which was,
before Jesus was made flesh.wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 17 2013,06:15) Quote (942767 @ Jan. 17 2013,05:09) Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 16 2013,07:41) Quote (942767 @ Jan. 16 2013,02:11) Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 15 2013,20:01) Quote (942767 @ Jan. 15 2013,13:05) Hi Wakeup: And so, what are you trying to prove by your analysis?
The question was: “who is the bride of Christ”? And the scriptures have stated that the church is the bride of Christ. He(Jesus) is the head of the body and we who are born again Christians are members of his body.
Also, the scripture does not state that the woman was standing of the moon. It states that the woman was clothed with the sun with the moon under her feet.
Love in Christ,
Marty.Revelation 12:1 And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars:
Revelation 12:2 And she being with child cried, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered.
********Can you just try to explain these scriptures?
This woman is before Christ; he was born of her.
How can *WE* and CHRIST* be this woman?anyone?
wakeup.
Hi Wakeup:The Woman is the Nation of Israel. Jesus was a Jew, and came forth from the nation of Israel and was under the Law, the Old Covenant.
We are now under the new covenant. Jesus gave his life and has been exalted to the right hand of the Father as head of the church, and we are members of his body.
Is this clear enough?
Love in Christ,
Marty
Marty.Not correct.
This woman was shining like the sun and she was not standing on the earth,but the moon.
Jusus was not born of a corrupt nation.
wakeup.
Hi Wakeup:There were those of the Nation of Israel who were in right standing with God, and so, no Jesus was not born from a corrupt nation.
Jesus speaking to the Samaritan woman said this:
Quote John 4:22Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews. The scripture states that there was a wonder in heaven, but if you read the scriptures, the events were occuring on earth. The scripture states that the child that was born of the woman was caught up to God, and also it states that the dragon was there to devour the child that was to be born of the woman (that was Herod who tried to kill Jesus by killing all of the infants age 2 and under)
Love in Christ,
Marty
Hi Marty.I agree regarding Herod,thats correct.
But jesus came down from heaven.
He was born by the will of his Father.
Gods woman is his doctrine,which was,
before Jesus was made flesh.wakeup.
Hi Wakeup:God's woman is His doctrine? Please show me this using the scriptures.
Thanks,
MartyQuote (Wakeup @ Jan. 16 2013,09:07) Abe. This is true; he was babtised with the Holy spirit and he also had to drink of that cup,which is the cross.
We also have to bear our own cross.Through sufferings our worship is made perfect.
wakeup.
Hi Wakeup,We are made perfect.
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (942767 @ Jan. 17 2013,06:48) Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 17 2013,06:15) Quote (942767 @ Jan. 17 2013,05:09) Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 16 2013,07:41) Quote (942767 @ Jan. 16 2013,02:11) Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 15 2013,20:01) Quote (942767 @ Jan. 15 2013,13:05) Hi Wakeup: And so, what are you trying to prove by your analysis?
The question was: “who is the bride of Christ”? And the scriptures have stated that the church is the bride of Christ. He(Jesus) is the head of the body and we who are born again Christians are members of his body.
Also, the scripture does not state that the woman was standing of the moon. It states that the woman was clothed with the sun with the moon under her feet.
Love in Christ,
Marty.Revelation 12:1 And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars:
Revelation 12:2 And she being with child cried, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered.
********Can you just try to explain these scriptures?
This woman is before Christ; he was born of her.
How can *WE* and CHRIST* be this woman?anyone?
wakeup.
Hi Wakeup:The Woman is the Nation of Israel. Jesus was a Jew, and came forth from the nation of Israel and was under the Law, the Old Covenant.
We are now under the new covenant. Jesus gave his life and has been exalted to the right hand of the Father as head of the church, and we are members of his body.
Is this clear enough?
Love in Christ,
Marty
Marty.Not correct.
This woman was shining like the sun and she was not standing on the earth,but the moon.
Jusus was not born of a corrupt nation.
wakeup.
Hi Wakeup:There were those of the Nation of Israel who were in right standing with God, and so, no Jesus was not born from a corrupt nation.
Jesus speaking to the Samaritan woman said this:
Quote John 4:22Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews. The scripture states that there was a wonder in heaven, but if you read the scriptures, the events were occuring on earth. The scripture states that the child that was born of the woman was caught up to God, and also it states that the dragon was there to devour the child that was to be born of the woman (that was Herod who tried to kill Jesus by killing all of the infants age 2 and under)
Love in Christ,
Marty
Hi Marty.I agree regarding Herod,thats correct.
But jesus came down from heaven.
He was born by the will of his Father.
Gods woman is his doctrine,which was,
before Jesus was made flesh.wakeup.
Hi Wakeup:God's woman is His doctrine? Please show me this using the scriptures.
Thanks,
Marty
Marty.Thats how I explain zion.
His doctrine is all what he stands for.
You need scripture for that?
ZION = HEAVENLY JERUSALEM.wakeup.
Hi Wakeup:
And so, according to you, the woman (God's doctrine) fled into the wilderness?
Quote Rev 12:6 And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred [and] threescore days. Love in Christ,
MartyQuote (Wakeup @ Jan. 16 2013,11:47) Terra, You have not answered my question.??
wakeup.
wupwho is washing the robes
robes being your true part that you really are, your SOUL,so it is anyone that comes to Christ to be saved ,this is what it mean being born of water and wen your live faithfully in Christ then you are born again because Christ and his father will let you know in their own time and place to you,
Quote (abe @ Jan. 15 2013,12:52) Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 14 2013,09:59) Quote (942767 @ Jan. 14 2013,05:21) Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 13 2013,14:34) Marty Quote So, Jesus has sheep from the Nation of Israel and from the gentile nations, but it is “one church”. As you said, they have one shepherd. Quote
1Cr 12:12 ¶ For as the body is one, and hath many members, and all the members of that one body, being many, are one body: so also [is] Christ.1Cr 12:13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether [we be] Jews or Gentiles, whether [we be] bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.
1Cr 12:14 For the body is not one member, but many.
Love in Christ,
Martywhat your scriptures really says is that their is one shepherd ,that oversees all ,but not all are in heaven ,or not all are on earth ,some have been called to serve with Christ and follow him were ever he goes ,being on earth this can not be done ,but we can serve him and his father within our capacity here on earth ,and yet be part of the body of submitted believers ,and also in Cor 12;13 Paul says ; For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether [we be] Jews or Gentiles, whether [we be] bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit;;; meaning that it is through his dead (body) that we have received the call of the gospel and so understand that it is by his sacrifice of that body that we are saved as well,and that our sins have been canceled ,Paul also mention that we as believers are made to drink from one spirit ,meaning one teaching ,their is no other .
Hi Pierre:Do the scriptures in Ephesians 5 that I posted indicate that the church is the bride of Christ?
And is the body of Christ the church?
Quote 1Cr 12:12 ¶ For as the body is one, and hath many members, and all the members of that one body, being many, are one body: so also [is] Christ. 1Cr 12:13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether [we be] Jews or Gentiles, whether [we be] bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.
1Cr 12:14 For the body is not one member, but many.
1Cr 12:20 But now [are they] many members, yet but one body.
1Cr 12:27 Now ye are the body of Christ, and members in particular.
1Cr 12:28 And God hath set some in the church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues.
Quote Eph 5:30 For we are members of his body, of his flesh, and of his bones. Eph 5:31 For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall be joined unto his wife, and they two shall be one flesh.
Eph 5:32 This is a great mystery: but I speak concerning Christ and the church.
And so, according to these scriptures, who is the bride of Christ?
Love in Christ,
Marty
Marty and abeQuote
Eph 5:30 For we are members of his body, of his flesh, and of his bones.Eph 5:31 For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall be joined unto his wife, and they two shall be one flesh.
Eph 5:32 This is a great mystery: but I speak concerning Christ and the church.
And so, according to these scriptures, who is the bride of Christ?
Love in Christ,
MartyAmen Marty,
A person cannot be any plainer then what you have just posted.
The Body of Christ is the BRIDE.
Rev.21:24 And the city has no need of the sun or of the moon to shine on it, for the glory of God has illumined it, and its lamp is the Lamb.
Matt.6:22 The Lamp of the body is the eye. If therefore your eye is good, your whole body will be full of light.
Peace brothers.
according to those scriptures the body of Christ are those that have an heavenly call because that is what Paul ad and most of those who were listening to him and sins scriptures in Rev;14 says that their are only 144k redeemed from the earth ,this limits all to that number,
so the Body also called bride and first fruits are so the 144k ,and all others are called the according to Paul ,1Co 15:23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.
1Co 15:24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.I do understand that you may take a different view like you did already but then you will have to change scriptures some how ,
just like some believe that they are equal to the apostles ,with whom Christ at the last supper ;Lk 22:29 And I confer on you a kingdom, just as my Father conferred one on me,
Lk 22:30 so that you may eat and drink at my table in my kingdom and sit on thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.those scriptures are showing that Christ made a covenant with his apostles, similar to what his father made with him
but so many have been blinded by religion interpretation and eager in position taking what is not theirs ,
Hi Ter,Lk.22:29-30 And I appoint unto you a kingdom, as my Father hath appointed unto me; that ye may eat and drink at my table in my kingdom, and sit on thrones judging the twelve tribes of Israel.
Matt.20:23 And he saith unto them, Ye shall drink indeed of my cup, and be baptized with the baptism that I am baptized with: but to sit on my right hand, and on my left, is not mine to give, but it shall be given to them for whom it is prepared Of my Father
Is there a contradiction HERE?
Peace brothers..
Hi Ter,Jesus said; but to sit on my right hand, and on my left, is not mine to give.
Another Quote; And I appoint unto you a kingdom, as my Father hath appointed unto me.
Help me to understand these verses?
Peace..
ebe
Quote Hi Ter, Jesus said;(1) but to sit on my right hand, and on my left, is not mine to give.
Another Quote; (2) And I appoint unto you a kingdom, as my Father hath appointed unto me.
Help me to understand these verses?
Peace..
the (1) Jesus was talking about the place or position (seen through men eyes) that they or any other that is redeemed from the earth would have in his kingdom ,the qualifications for the positions are like this ;Mt 20:26 Not so with you. Instead, whoever wants to become great among you must be your servant,
Mt 20:27 and whoever wants to be first must be your slave—
Mt 20:28 just as the Son of Man did not come to be served, but to serve, and to give his life as a ransom for many.”the (2) Christ talks about the kingdom he ad recieved from his father and in this scriptures he makes a promise that he would share it with them ,so it look more as a proposal to join him to work for it ,
we know that Christ kingdom is an heavenly kingdom and not all are invited only 144k are.all other like the great crowed are only invited to be living in it and benefit from it through changing their lives in according to Gods will ,and so become cityzen of the kingdom not rulers,
this is what I think being the truth
Quote (942767 @ Jan. 17 2013,10:01) Hi Wakeup: And so, according to you, the woman (God's doctrine) fled into the wilderness?
Quote Rev 12:6 And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred [and] threescore days. Love in Christ,
Marty
Marty.This woman is the daughter of Zion.
The teachings of Christ on earth.
His followers.wakeup.
Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 17 2013,06:50) Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 16 2013,09:07) Abe. This is true; he was babtised with the Holy spirit and he also had to drink of that cup,which is the cross.
We also have to bear our own cross.Through sufferings our worship is made perfect.
wakeup.
Hi Wakeup,We are made perfect.
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
EdJ.Not perfect untill the change.
wakeup.
Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 16 2013,17:22) ebe Quote Hi Ter, Jesus said;(1) but to sit on my right hand, and on my left, is not mine to give.
Another Quote; (2) And I appoint unto you a kingdom, as my Father hath appointed unto me.
Help me to understand these verses?
Peace..
the (1) Jesus was talking about the place or position (seen through men eyes) that they or any other that is redeemed from the earth would have in his kingdom ,the qualifications for the positions are like this ;Mt 20:26 Not so with you. Instead, whoever wants to become great among you must be your servant,
Mt 20:27 and whoever wants to be first must be your slave—
Mt 20:28 just as the Son of Man did not come to be served, but to serve, and to give his life as a ransom for many.”the (2) Christ talks about the kingdom he ad recieved from his father and in this scriptures he makes a promise that he would share it with them ,so it look more as a proposal to join him to work for it ,
we know that Christ kingdom is an heavenly kingdom and not all are invited only 144k are.all other like the great crowed are only invited to be living in it and benefit from it through changing their lives in according to Gods will ,and so become cityzen of the kingdom not rulers,
this is what I think being the truth
Hi Ter,Matt20:23 but to sit on my right hand and on my left is not Mine to give, but it is for those for whom it is prepared by the Father.
:23 is not Mine to give,
Peace…
Abe.
This is true; the sealed are to rule with Christ,and it is the father who does the sealing.John 6:27.
wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 17 2013,14:22) Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 17 2013,06:50) Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 16 2013,09:07) Abe. This is true; he was babtised with the Holy spirit and he also had to drink of that cup,which is the cross.
We also have to bear our own cross.Through sufferings our worship is made perfect.
wakeup.
Hi Wakeup,We are made perfect.
God bless
Ed J
EdJ.Not perfect untill the change.
wakeup.
Hi Wakeup,“behold, now is the day of salvation” (2Cor.6:2)
2Timothy 3:5 Having a form of godliness, but denying
the power (to be perfected) thereof: from such turn away.Heb 11:40 God having provided some better thing for us,
that they without us should not be made perfect.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Ed J @ Jan. 17 2013,14:44) Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 17 2013,14:22) Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 17 2013,06:50) Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 16 2013,09:07) Abe. This is true; he was babtised with the Holy spirit and he also had to drink of that cup,which is the cross.
We also have to bear our own cross.Through sufferings our worship is made perfect.
wakeup.
Hi Wakeup,We are made perfect.
God bless
Ed J
EdJ.Not perfect untill the change.
wakeup.
Hi Wakeup,“behold, now is the day of salvation” (2Cor.6:2)
2Timothy 3:5 Having a form of godliness, but denying
the power (to be perfected) thereof: from such turn away.Heb 11:40 God having provided some better thing for us,
that they without us should not be made perfect.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
EDJ.Since you say that you belong to the heavenly family,
but on earth in the flesh. Ed the altar.
What are you send to do here on earth?wakeup.
Hi Wakeup,
Write the book providing the “Proof of God”(117).
I'm still waiting for your response in the
“For Wakeup” thread in “Hot Seat”.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (abe @ Jan. 17 2013,09:28) Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 16 2013,17:22) ebe Quote Hi Ter, Jesus said;(1) but to sit on my right hand, and on my left, is not mine to give.
Another Quote; (2) And I appoint unto you a kingdom, as my Father hath appointed unto me.
Help me to understand these verses?
Peace..
the (1) Jesus was talking about the place or position (seen through men eyes) that they or any other that is redeemed from the earth would have in his kingdom ,the qualifications for the positions are like this ;Mt 20:26 Not so with you. Instead, whoever wants to become great among you must be your servant,
Mt 20:27 and whoever wants to be first must be your slave—
Mt 20:28 just as the Son of Man did not come to be served, but to serve, and to give his life as a ransom for many.”the (2) Christ talks about the kingdom he ad recieved from his father and in this scriptures he makes a promise that he would share it with them ,so it look more as a proposal to join him to work for it ,
we know that Christ kingdom is an heavenly kingdom and not all are invited only 144k are.all other like the great crowed are only invited to be living in it and benefit from it through changing their lives in according to Gods will ,and so become cityzen of the kingdom not rulers,
this is what I think being the truth
Hi Ter,Matt20:23 but to sit on my right hand and on my left is not Mine to give, but it is for those for whom it is prepared by the Father.
:23 is not Mine to give,
Peace…
ebeyes that is true ;that is why I quoted you the scripture,were Christ explain how the seats are given out ,
do you understand this
Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 17 2013,14:44) Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 17 2013,14:22) Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 17 2013,06:50) Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 16 2013,09:07) Abe. This is true; he was babtised with the Holy spirit and he also had to drink of that cup,which is the cross.
We also have to bear our own cross.Through sufferings our worship is made perfect.
wakeup.
Hi Wakeup,We are made perfect.
God bless
Ed J
EdJ.Not perfect untill the change.
wakeup.
Hi Wakeup,“behold, now is the day of salvation” (2Cor.6:2)
2Timothy 3:5 Having a form of godliness, but denying
the power (to be perfected) thereof: from such turn away.Heb 11:40 God having provided some better thing for us,
that they without us should not be made perfect.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
EDJ.Do you consider yourself perfect.
Perfect in what?
wakeup.
Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 17 2013,15:15) Hi Wakeup, Write the book providing the “Proof of God”(117).
I'm still waiting for your response in the
“For Wakeup” thread in “Hot Seat”.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
EdJ,Are you trying to compete with the Holy spirit inspired scriptures?
Timothy 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
You think you can do better with your books?
wakeup.
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