who is LUCIFER?

[NickHassan]

Hi ED,
Isaiah 14:12-16
How art thou fallen from heaven,[Note Jb 1-2] (1)O Lucifer, son of the morning! [Note Jb 38.7]
how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations! 13 For thou hast
said in thine heart, (2)I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the
stars of God[Again Jb 38.7]:

I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north: 14
I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.

Certainly this describes an angelic son [also called stars rev 1.20 and job 38] who has been in heaven [v 12]and wants to return to be greater than other angels and equal to God.

[NickHassan]

Hi ED,
Son of the morning relates to morning stars.
Perhaps they were from early creation?

[NickHassan]

Hi ED,
Of course Jesus Christ is now above the angels and is the Word, the bright morning star[rev 22.16] and he gives that morning star to his faithful brothers[Rev 1.28]

[terraricca]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 16 2012,16:31)

Hi ED, Of course Jesus Christ is now above the angels and is the Word, the bright morning star[rev 22.16] and he gives that morning star to his faithful brothers[Rev 1.28]

N

see ,before Christ was the THE WORD OF GOD ,and the first of all creation ,but wen he came down to be the anointed one of God,

and wen he went back to his father ,he was now not only the WORD OF GOD but also the most powerful being after his father God the almighty

[Ed J]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 16 2012,09:03)

Hi ED, The word about the sword related to Mary and her grief. No direct relationship to what you are trying to support. I love scripture but this is not a witness for your idea. Besides your teaching is that angels can BECOME Men. Also REBELLIOUS angels which does not relate to Gabriel

Hi Nick,

Those are “clues” and “hints”:
(circumstantial evidence) to the
“SPEAR” and subsequent resurrection.

He is addressing Mary, BUT referring to Jesus rather than Mary: for a sign which shall be spoken against;
(Yea, a sword, shall pierce through thy own soul also) that the thoughts of many hearts may be revealed.

                English punctuation my friend!

WHO causes the hearts of many to be revealed,  Jesus  or  Mary ?
THAT's WHO the 'sword' is being pierced through, the one revealing the thoughts.

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[NickHassan]

Hi ED,
The words enclosed in brackets are to MARY.

[jammin]

Quote (Ed J @ April 16 2012,08:24)

Jammin and Nick,                 Daniel 9:21-22 Yea, whiles I was speaking in prayer, even the man Gabriel, whom I had seen in the vision at the beginning, being caused to fly swiftly, touched me about the time of the evening oblation. And he informed me, and talked with me, and said, O Daniel, I have now come forth to give thee skill and understanding.

the man term in dan 9.21 refers to the angel gabriel

it means human like.
Daniel 9:21-22
Seventy Sevens
20-21 “While I was pouring out my heart, baring my sins and the sins of my people Israel, praying my life out before my God, interceding for the holy mountain of my God—while I was absorbed in this praying, the humanlike Gabriel, the one I had seen in an earlier vision, approached me, flying in like a bird about the time of evening worship.

sorry boy, but you need to study hard.

ez 28 and your verse in IS refers to the king of tyre and babylon

[Ed J]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 16 2012,11:35)

Hi ED, The words enclosed in brackets are to MARY.

I disagree,
what proof do you have?

[NickHassan]

Hi ED,

25And, behold, there was a man in Jerusalem, whose name was Simeon; and the same man was just and devout, waiting for the consolation of Israel: and the Holy Ghost was upon him.

26And it was revealed unto him by the Holy Ghost, that he should not see death, before he had seen the Lord's Christ.

27And he came by the Spirit into the temple: and when the parents brought in the child Jesus, to do for him after the custom of the law,

28Then took he him up in his arms, and blessed God, and said,

29Lord, now lettest thou thy servant depart in peace, according to thy word:

30For mine eyes have seen thy salvation,

31Which thou hast prepared before the face of all people;

32A light to lighten the Gentiles, and the glory of thy people Israel.

33And Joseph and his mother marvelled at those things which were spoken of him.

34And Simeon blessed them, and said unto Mary his mother, Behold, this child is set for the fall and rising again of many in Israel; and for a sign which shall be spoken against;

35(Yea, a sword shall pierce through thy own soul also,) that the thoughts of many hearts may be revealed.

He spoke to MARY

[Ed J]

Quote (jammin @ April 16 2012,12:13)

Quote (Ed J @ April 16 2012,08:24) Jammin and Nick,                 Daniel 9:21-22 Yea, whiles I was speaking in prayer, even the man Gabriel, whom I had seen in the vision at the beginning, being caused to fly swiftly, touched me about the time of the evening oblation. And he informed me, and talked with me, and said, O Daniel, I have now come forth to give thee skill and understanding. the man term in dan 9.21 refers to the angel gabriel it means human like. Daniel 9:21-22 Seventy Sevens 20-21 “While I was pouring out my heart, baring my sins and the sins of my people Israel, praying my life out before my God, interceding for the holy mountain of my God—while I was absorbed in this praying, the humanlike Gabriel, the one I had seen in an earlier vision, approached me, flying in like a bird about the time of evening worship. sorry boy, but you need to study hard. ez 28 and your verse in IS refers to the king of tyre and babylon

Jammin,

(H376) ish: man
Original Word: אּישׁ
Part of Speech: Noun Masculine
Transliteration: ish
Phonetic Spelling: (eesh)
Short Definition: man

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[Ed J]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 16 2012,09:23)

Hi ED, Son of the morning relates to morning stars. Perhaps they were from early creation?

Yes Nick,

That “IS” what we are talking about.

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[jammin]

Quote (Ed J @ April 16 2012,16:11)

Quote (jammin @ April 16 2012,12:13) Quote (Ed J @ April 16 2012,08:24) Jammin and Nick,                 Daniel 9:21-22 Yea, whiles I was speaking in prayer, even the man Gabriel, whom I had seen in the vision at the beginning, being caused to fly swiftly, touched me about the time of the evening oblation. And he informed me, and talked with me, and said, O Daniel, I have now come forth to give thee skill and understanding. the man term in dan 9.21 refers to the angel gabriel it means human like. Daniel 9:21-22 Seventy Sevens 20-21 “While I was pouring out my heart, baring my sins and the sins of my people Israel, praying my life out before my God, interceding for the holy mountain of my God—while I was absorbed in this praying, the humanlike Gabriel, the one I had seen in an earlier vision, approached me, flying in like a bird about the time of evening worship. sorry boy, but you need to study hard. ez 28 and your verse in IS refers to the king of tyre and babylon Jammin, (H376) ish: man Original Word: אּישׁ Part of Speech: Noun Masculine Transliteration: ish Phonetic Spelling: (eesh) Short Definition: man God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

what is the use of ur post if you cant understand it? LOL

you need to study hard boy lol

[Ed J]

Quote (Ed J @ April 16 2012,11:22)

Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 16 2012,09:03) Hi ED, The word about the sword related to Mary and her grief. No direct relationship to what you are trying to support. I love scripture but this is not a witness for your idea. Besides your teaching is that angels can BECOME Men. Also REBELLIOUS angels which does not relate to Gabriel Hi Nick, Those are “clues” and “hints”: (circumstantial evidence) to the “SPEAR” and subsequent resurrection. He is addressing Mary, BUT referring to Jesus rather than Mary: for a sign which shall be spoken against; (Yea, a sword, shall pierce through thy own soul also) that the thoughts of many hearts may be revealed.                 English punctuation my friend! WHO causes the hearts of many to be revealed,  Jesus  or  Mary ? THAT's WHO the 'sword' is being pierced through, the one revealing the thoughts. God bless Ed J

Hi Nick,

Why do you say Mary when both, the context and the
associated evidence line up and, point directly at Jesus.
Meaning the parts before and after point directly at Jesus.

You say theses don't connect, because you fail to see the connection.
John 19:34 says with a spear and Isaiah 14:19 & Luke 2:35 say sword.

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[NickHassan]

Hi ED,

34 'And Simeon blessed THEM, and said UNTO MARY his mother

Behold, this child is set for the fall and rising again of many in Israel; and for a sign which shall be spoken against;

35 (Yea, a sword shall pierce through THY own soul also,)

that the thoughts of many hearts may be revealed.'

[jammin]

out of the topic again

[NickHassan]

Quote (Ed J @ April 17 2012,18:55)

Quote (Ed J @ April 16 2012,11:22) Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 16 2012,09:03) Hi ED, The word about the sword related to Mary and her grief. No direct relationship to what you are trying to support. I love scripture but this is not a witness for your idea. Besides your teaching is that angels can BECOME Men. Also REBELLIOUS angels which does not relate to Gabriel Hi Nick, Those are “clues” and “hints”: (circumstantial evidence) to the “SPEAR” and subsequent resurrection. He is addressing Mary, BUT referring to Jesus rather than Mary: for a sign which shall be spoken against; (Yea, a sword, shall pierce through thy own soul also) that the thoughts of many hearts may be revealed.                 English punctuation my friend! WHO causes the hearts of many to be revealed,  Jesus  or  Mary ? THAT's WHO the 'sword' is being pierced through, the one revealing the thoughts. God bless Ed J Hi Nick, Why do you say Mary when both, the context and the associated evidence line up and, point directly at Jesus. Meaning the parts before and after point directly at Jesus. You say theses don't connect, because you fail to see the connection. John 19:34 says with a spear and Isaiah 14:19 & Luke 2:35 say sword. God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

HI ED,
Looks like you are on A WILD GOOSE CHASE.

TRYING TO FORCE A CONNECTION?

[Ed J]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 17 2012,19:28)

Hi ED, 34 'And Simeon blessed THEM, and said UNTO MARY his mother    Behold, this child is set for the fall and rising again of many in Israel; and for a sign which shall be spoken against; 35 (Yea, a sword shall pierce through THY own soul also,)     that the thoughts of many hearts may be revealed.'

Hi Nick, (Isaiah 14:19 & Luke 2:35 say sword, while John 19:34 says spear)

Nahum 3:1-7 Woe to the bloody city! it is all full of lies and robbery; the prey departeth not; 2 The noise
of a whip, and the noise of the rattling of the wheels, and of the pransing horses, and of the jumping chariots.
3 The horseman lifteth up both the bright sword (Isaiah 14:19 & Luke 2:35) “AND” the glittering spear (John 19:34): and
there is a multitude of slain, and a great number of carcases; and there is none end of their corpses; they stumble upon their corpses:

4 Because of the multitude of the whoredoms of the wellfavoured harlot (Rev.17:2), the mistress
of witchcrafts, that selleth nations through her whoredoms, and families through her witchcrafts.
5 Behold, I against thee, saith the “LORD of Hosts” (see Nahum 1:14); and I will discover thy skirts
upon thy face, and I will show the nations thy nakedness, and the kingdoms thy shame. 6 And I
will cast abominable filth upon thee, and make thee vile, and will set thee as a gazingstock.
7 And it shall come to pass, that all they that look upon thee shall flee from thee (Isaiah 14:19-20),
and say, Nineveh is laid waste: who will bemoan her? whence shall I seek comforters for thee?

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[NickHassan]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 16 2012,09:23)

Hi ED, Son of the morning relates to morning stars. Perhaps they were from early creation?

Hi ED,
But it is the morning star rising in our hearts that signals the living Lord's kingdom within.2 peter 1.19

[Ed J]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 17 2012,20:08)

Quote (Ed J @ April 17 2012,18:55) Quote (Ed J @ April 16 2012,11:22) Hi Nick, Those are “clues” and “hints”: (circumstantial evidence) to the “SPEAR” and subsequent resurrection. He is addressing Mary, BUT referring to Jesus rather than Mary: for a sign which shall be spoken against; (Yea, a sword, shall pierce through thy own soul also) that the thoughts of many hearts may be revealed.                 English punctuation my friend! WHO causes the hearts of many to be revealed,  Jesus  or  Mary ? THAT's WHO the 'sword' is being pierced through, the one revealing the thoughts. God bless Ed J Hi Nick, Why do you say Mary when both, the context and the associated evidence line up and, point directly at Jesus. Meaning the parts before and after point directly at Jesus. You say theses don't connect, because you fail to see the connection. John 19:34 says with a spear and Isaiah 14:19 & Luke 2:35 say sword. God bless Ed J HI ED, Looks like you are on  A WILD GOOSE CHASE. TRYING TO FORCE A CONNECTION?

Hi Nick,

                           Who is YHVH's shepherd Nick?

Zech 13:7-9 Awake, O sword, against my shepherd, and against the man that is my fellow, saith the “LORD of Hosts”:
smite the shepherd, and the sheep shall be scattered: and I will turn mine hand upon the little ones.

8 And it shall come to pass, that in all the land, saith the LORD, two parts(66.6%)
therein shall be cut off and die; but the third(33.3%) shall be left therein.

9 And I will bring the third part through the fire (Zech 3:2), and will refine them as silver is refined,
and will try them as gold is tried (Rev.3:18): they shall call on my name, and I will hear
them: I will say, It is my people: and they shall say, The LORD is my God.

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org        

[Ed J]

Lucifer is allah? (See time-line 2:00 to 3:05)

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