Who is this Jesus?

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  • #48802
    NickHassan
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    Hi Tim2,
    If that is so and you believe it why do you keep offering US new deities?

    #48804
    Tim2
    Participant

    Hi Nick,

    You're the one who's offering a new deity, this other Jesus who has unexplained divine origins, who is the Word that was God but is no longer God. I'm proclaiming only one Deity, YHWH.

    Tim

    #48808
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi Tim2,
    You have lost sight of the Son of God and yet it is he that you need to know to reach towards his God and father. WE do not worship other than the Father as Jesus told us true worshipers WORSHIP THE FATHER [jn 4] but you speak with the voice of a stranger to tell us there are now three deities.

    #48822
    Tim2
    Participant

    Right Nick, you don't worship Jesus, you just proskunein him and confess him as Lord and say, “To him be the glory, both now and to the day of eternity. Amen.” and say, “To Him who sits on the throne, and to the Lamb, be blessing and honor and glory and dominion forever and ever.” Yeah, that's not worship at all.

    #48823
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi Tim2,
    Why would you rebel against the Lord?
    Why would you worship him when he says true worshipers worship the Father?
    Do you know better?

    #48849
    Adam Pastor
    Participant

    Quote (Tim2 @ April 13 2007,01:41)
    Come on, the Bible does give us an answer.  There is no God besides YHWH.  Either Jesus is YHWH or he is no god at all.


    Hmmm! True there is no Almighty, co-equal Capital G God besides YHWH!

    However consider this …
    According to YHWH's words was Moses 'god' in some sense? Exo 4.16, 7.1

    According to YHWH's words which cannot be broken! … were His judges called 'gods'? [Psa 82.6, John 10.34-35, Exo 21.6, 22.8-9,28]

    If in all honesty you realize that the above answers are YES!
    Then especially in light of the fact of how Jesus the Messiah himself used Psalms 82 (John 10:34-35);
    you will then realize that Jesus the Messiah indeed can be 'god' (without contradiction with the Isaiah verses);
    just as Moses and the judges before him could legitimately & scripturally be called god/elohim without contradiction!

    The Messiah is GOD's viceregent, GOD's fully authorized plenipotentiary.
    In that sense, he can indeed be called god … hence John 20.28

    It's all about context!

    #48851
    kenrch
    Participant

    2Co 11:4 For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him.

    #48868
    Tim2
    Participant

    Adam,

    That might make sense if Jesus were only a man. But no one on this forum believes that. Do you?

    Tim

    #48870
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi Tim2,
    If Jesus was not a man you have no hope.
    His origins are another matter but he penetrated our weak and temporal reality to take us with him into everlasting reality.

    #48871
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi Tim2,
    The visit of Christ also sealed the fate of all either way. Gods established righteousness as relating only to our response to the Son. Failure to discern who he is and what his mission means is to sign our own death warrant. We must love him as we love God if we love God.

    Jn3
    14And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up:

    15That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.

    16For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

    17For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

    18He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

    19And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.

    20For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.

    21But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.

    #48874
    Tim2
    Participant

    Nick,

    I said if he were ONLY a man. Stop misquoting me.

    Tim

    #48878

    Quote (TimothyVI @ April 13 2007,10:13)

    Quote (WorshippingJesus @ April 13 2007,08:10)
    So how can “A” god be part of the True God?


    Hi WorshippingJesus,

    Any old “a god” can't. For there were many gods.
    But you seem to keep forgetting that Jesus was the only begotten son of the true God. So He has to have some part of God in Him.

    Tim


    Tim

    Of course but he is either true God or he is not God at all or it would be Polytheism and break the first commandment!

    :O

    #48879

    Quote (TimothyVI @ April 13 2007,10:54)

    Quote (WorshippingJesus @ April 13 2007,08:10)
    And if Jesus is “A” God then we have two Gods, a smaller god and a greater God.

    ???


    Hi worshiippingJesus,

    well, if you want to throw out Mat 1:23, I suppose we do not have a smaller God do we?

    Mat 1:23  Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.

    Tim


    Tim

    No we dont, we have what it says “God with us” not “a smaller god with us”.

    :O

    #48880

    Quote (TimothyVI @ April 13 2007,10:58)

    Quote (WorshippingJesus @ April 13 2007,08:05)
    So the Father believed in polytheism?

    ???


    Hi worshipping,

    I don't know. He is the one that gave all of the power to Jesus.

    Mat 28:18  And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.

    Tim


    Tim

    You dont know if God is a Polytheist?

    ???

    #48881
    942767
    Participant

    Quote (Tim2 @ April 14 2007,06:11)
    Adam,

    That might make sense if Jesus were only a man.  But no one on this forum believes that.  Do you?

    Tim


    Hi Tim2:

    I know that your question is directed to Adam Pastor, but of course, Jesus is only a man.  It is his spirit that was formed through obedience to the Word of God that is God.  God made man in his own image, and so we, also, that is our spirit is being formed as we learn apply the Word of God in our daily lives.

    1Jo 3:2
    Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.

    God Bless

    #48884
    Not3in1
    Participant

    WJ writes:
    Of course but he is either true God or he is not God at all or it would be Polytheism and break the first commandment!
    *******************

    Of course I disagree with you, WJ. Jesus is God's Son………..so of course he is a part of his Father. He is divine. Not God. Remember Mary? Does anyone here give Mary any credit for contributing to her own son? Good grief! :) This is spoken from a women, of course!

    #48887

    Quote (Not3in1 @ April 14 2007,09:57)
    WJ writes:
    Of course but he is either true God or he is not God at all or it would be Polytheism and break the first commandment!
    *******************

    Of course I disagree with you, WJ.  Jesus is God's Son………..so of course he is a part of his Father.  He is divine.  Not God.  Remember Mary?  Does anyone here give Mary any credit for contributing to her own son?  Good grief!  :)  This is spoken from a women, of course!


    Not3in1

    Do you see anywhere in my post about him being divine.

    I said he is either God or his is not God at all.

    So why are you disagreeing?

    Does divine to you mean he is God?

    What does divine mean to you?
    :)

    #48915
    Not3in1
    Participant

    WJ, I disagreed because to say that Jesus “is not God at all” is not true. While I believe that Jesus is not, himself, God Almighty – I do believe that he is the beloved (literal) Son of that One God Almighty. And because he is God's Son……he is part his Father. Just like you, are part of your Father and your Mother.

    Therefore, divine means to me that Jesus is both the Son of God, and the Son of Man. He is a divine man.

    Put another way: God/God = God. Man/Women = Man. God/Women = Divine Man.

    Please…….we cannot forget about Mary and what she contributed!!!! If God just wanted “a body” he could have picked anyone already alive to incarnate. God wanted a Son. A true Son.

    God so loved the world that he came himself? No, that doesn't sound right. God so loved the world that he sent his Son. The Love of God is not that he came to dwell among us himself, but that he sent his Son.

    1 John 4: 9,10
    This is how God showed his love among us: He sent his one and only Son into the world that we might live through him. This is love: not that we loved God, but that he loved us and sent his Son as an atoning sacrifice for our sins.

    A plan. A conception. A pregnancy. A birth. A Son. This is the plain and simple truth according to the gospels.

    #48922
    Tim2
    Participant

    94,

    You think Jesus is just a man? Obviously I disagree. But I'll add that to the belief statements I've been working on. Feel free to edit. What do you think the Spirit is?

    Not3, I really don't see where you're getting this, “Jesus wasn't a person prior to his human birth. Now he's some hybrid god/man.” The Scripture asserts that he is a man (1 Timothy 2:5), that he's flesh (Romans 1:3). And there's absolutely no indication that Jesus wasn't a person before his human birth. You're reading way too much into this Word = plan train of thought. Jesus says, before Abraham was, “I AM.” Abraham was born before Jesus. So before Abraham, we can say of Jesus, “HE IS.” Meaning He's a person then. And Paul asserts His pre-personality in Philippians 2:6. “He did not consider equality with God something to be grasped.” If this is what's holding you back from Trinitarianism, I've got to urge you to stop wandering and come back to the flock, please.

    Tim

    #48928

    Quote (Not3in1 @ April 14 2007,17:07)
    WJ, I disagreed because to say that Jesus “is not God at all” is not true.  While I believe that Jesus is not, himself, God Almighty – I do believe that he is the beloved (literal) Son of that One God Almighty.  And because he is God's Son……he is part his Father.  Just like you, are part of your Father and your Mother.  

    Therefore, divine means to me that Jesus is both the Son of God, and the Son of Man.  He is a divine man.

    Put another way: God/God = God.  Man/Women = Man.  God/Women = Divine Man.

    Please…….we cannot forget about Mary and what she contributed!!!!  If God just wanted “a body” he could have picked anyone already alive to incarnate.  God wanted a Son.  A true Son.  

    God so loved the world that he came himself?  No, that doesn't sound right.  God so loved the world that he sent his Son.  The Love of God is not that he came to dwell among us himself, but that he sent his Son.

    1 John 4: 9,10
    This is how God showed his love among us:  He sent his one and only Son into the world that we might live through him.  This is love: not that we loved God, but that he loved us and sent his Son as an atoning sacrifice for our sins.

    A plan.  A conception.  A pregnancy.  A birth.  A Son.  This is the plain and simple truth according to the gospels.


    not3in1

    So you are saying Christ is part god and part man “Divine Man” because his Father is God and his mother is human?

    Is that correct?

    Like the Jws and Henotheist he is a smaller god but not God.

    Is that correct?

    Is this written in scriptures that he is part god and part man?

    ???

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