Who is this Jesus?

[NickHassan]

Quote (Guest @ July 25 2005,16:01)

Quote (Guest @ July 25 2005,15:38) Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 25 2005,11:35) Hi I, The heavenly body is not of flesh and blood. Those things are of earth. Flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom. The body of Jesus Christ seen on earth was earthy. It was flesh and blood. It was not like the body of the man from heaven which is as the angels and imperishable. God and divine beings and angels are not of earth and need not eat. They do not need oxygen in heaven to breathe nor do they bleed. The Son of God had divine spiritual nature with no body in heaven and only partook of flesh at birth. Any suggestion he had a natural body appearing on earth prior to this time is just vain speculation. He was the image of God and God is spirit. He was not a person with a heavenly body different to God but the image of God. That body seen on earth was from the dust of Mary and God's Spirit. It was not a different perfect body. It was made in the likeness of sinful flesh. The body of Jesus Christ was not imperishable but was torn and bled, it could die and did die, so that God's power would be shown in his resurrection because the Spirit of God remained in him after his own spirit was given up. Hello Nick, Jesus is in His body that He put on Himself in the incarnation, which was not of this creation’s cursed dust, for then it would have been a corrupt vessel and would not have been the acceptable sacrifice for Adam’s  once for all atonement, to end the separation from the Holy Presence of His glory. The word ‘is come’ is present tense -and look; “1Jo 4:2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God: 1Jo 4:3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that [spirit] of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world. 2Jo 1:7 For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist. http://www.blueletterbible.org “is come: erchomai {er'-khom-ahee} middle voice of a primary verb (used only in the present and imperfect tenses, the others being supplied by a kindred [middle voice] eleuthomai {el-yoo'-thom-ahee}, or [active] eltho {el'-tho}, which do not otherwise occur) Root word; 1) to come a) of persons 1) to come from one place to another, and used both of persons arriving and of those returning 2) to appear, make one's appearance, come before the public 2) metaph. a) to come into being, arise, come forth, show itself, find place or influence b) be established, become known, to come (fall) into or unto 3) to go, to follow one” He ‘is come‘, forever, as the Lamb of God, the Firstborn of the human race who inherit’s the kingdom that the Father prepared for his human son, the Adam, who is the dead disinherited son, and as the Firstborn; the Kinsman, He had all legal rights to redeem the lost sons and the kingdom that they were given and sold. The price of redemption was His blood, the acceptable sacrifice, shed for our redemption and cleansing. When the equal with YHWH of hosts, the second Person of the “Godhead -the supreme ELOHIM, the ELOHIM of ELOHIM“- makes Himself known to Israel (when they say Blessed is He who comes in the name of YHWH), then they shall look upon Him whom they pierced, and ask, “What are these wounds in thine hands?”; The Adam flesh cannot inherit the kingdom of God,w hich the Adam was given as his inheritance in the beginning, on day six. The Israel, fully human, flesh will inherit the Kingdom of God that He purchased back as Kinsman-Redeemer. Thios earth was given to Adam, and his seed, forever, the One who came, the YHWH of hosts in human flesh, at the incarnation, is the Son of Man who is the Kinsman who ransomed the kingdom that Adam sold. He will reign as Son of Man over this earth, for it can belong to no other by divine decree. Only a Son of Man could redeem the sold possession. For this reason He 'is come' 'in' right now “IN” the flesh: come in the fully human 'Kinsman' flesh forever. His flesh was never perishable for His human flesh of the New creation had no sin nor sin curse, not being made of the dust of the curse. Because He owns the kingdom, and in His Human flesh has the power of an endless life, He will regenerate the kingdom and the heaven that He created and rule this kingdom, on this planet, regenerated, forever, as Son of Man; YHWH of hosts in fully human flesh, risen and glorified, forever. Psa 78:25 Man did eat angels' food: he sent them meat to the full. Exd 16:4 Then said the LORD unto Moses, Behold, I will rain bread from heaven for you; and the people shall go out and gather a certain rate every day, that I may prove them, whether they will walk in my law, or no. Jhn 6:31 Our fathers did eat manna in the desert; as it is written, He gave them bread from heaven to eat. When three men -'enowsh'- appeared to Abraham, One of them was YHWH of hosts, going forth as 'messenger -(The uncreated Creator who created all the 'sons of elohim' and has no one like Him among them), and Abraham fed all three 'men'; Genesis 18: “They said, “Do as you have said.” 6 So Abraham hurried into the tent to Sarah and said, “Quickly, make ready three measures of fine meal; knead it and make cakes.” 7 And Abraham ran to the herd, took a tender and good calf, gave it to a young man, and he hastened to prepare it. 8 So he took butter and milk and the calf which he had prepared, and set it before them; and he stood by them under the tree as they ate.” When the LORD Jesus (YHWH of hosts second Person of the Elohim), came incarnate,  and gave His human life as the once for ever atonement to Ransom and cleanse the Adam-kind brothers of His flesh, and rose bodily from the tomb; he ate and drank with the disciples for the many days that He walked among them. He told Thomas to handle Him and see that He was flesh; Thomas acknowledged that He was 'His YHWH and His Elohim'- His 'Kurios and his Theos'; and worshipped Him in His fully human risen flesh. When He was glorified, in His flesh after His ascension, the Presence of the Glory that had formerly dwelt in the temple of Adam, at the beginning, when Adam was crowned with His glory, entered the 'Latter Temple' temple, His body of flesh, the New Man Firstborn of the 'Israel-kind', and is forever to remain in that 'Israel-kind' body. He will not give His glory to another, only to [the] Israel [kind]. Adam is dead to that glory; He came to Ransom many sons and bring them [back, as the adopted sons from the Adam] to that glory. His blood as the New Man was the Purchase price, and His blood sprinkled upon His body on the cross was the Atonement on the true altar that is the once for all atonemet for all Adam who 'will' be made clean, and born again in His image, to be the 'Holy of Holies' (all together, all the redeemed are  the New Jerusalem not made with hands that is, itself, His Holy of Holies forever that come s down from God out of heaven to the regenerated earth after the millennial reign), for His Presence to abide in forever.

Hi,
God never dwelled IN Adam. That is unscriptural. Like all men Adam was a vessel designed to be filled by the Spirit, and like all men contained the breath of God to live, but that is not the Holy Spirit of God.

Angels come in many forms. The Angels that assumed human form and walked and ate and had sexual relations were not ordinary angels.

They were not the angels that Jesus referred to as far as marriage was concerned which is the ordinary angel/messengers. They have personal names and greater respnsibilities and I believe have many names:

The sons of God of Genesis and Job.
The gods of Ps 97
The Princes of Daniel
The elders of Revelation
The angel of the Lord
And the named Archangels

I believe are this group of greater godlike beings.They can come to earth in apparent human guise with human like capabilities. But did they need food in heaven? Do ordinary angels/messengers eat?

What do others think?

[NickHassan]

Quote (Guest @ July 25 2005,15:38)

Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 25 2005,11:35) Hi I, The heavenly body is not of flesh and blood. Those things are of earth. Flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom. The body of Jesus Christ seen on earth was earthy. It was flesh and blood. It was not like the body of the man from heaven which is as the angels and imperishable. God and divine beings and angels are not of earth and need not eat. They do not need oxygen in heaven to breathe nor do they bleed. The Son of God had divine spiritual nature with no body in heaven and only partook of flesh at birth. Any suggestion he had a natural body appearing on earth prior to this time is just vain speculation. He was the image of God and God is spirit. He was not a person with a heavenly body different to God but the image of God. That body seen on earth was from the dust of Mary and God's Spirit. It was not a different perfect body. It was made in the likeness of sinful flesh. The body of Jesus Christ was not imperishable but was torn and bled, it could die and did die, so that God's power would be shown in his resurrection because the Spirit of God remained in him after his own spirit was given up. Hello Nick, Jesus is in His body that He put on Himself in the incarnation, which was not of this creation’s cursed dust, for then it would have been a corrupt vessel and would not have been the acceptable sacrifice for Adam’s  once for all atonement, to end the separation from the Holy Presence of His glory. The word ‘is come’ is present tense -and look; “1Jo 4:2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God: 1Jo 4:3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that [spirit] of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world. 2Jo 1:7 For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist. http://www.blueletterbible.org “is come: erchomai {er'-khom-ahee} middle voice of a primary verb (used only in the present and imperfect tenses, the others being supplied by a kindred [middle voice] eleuthomai {el-yoo'-thom-ahee}, or [active] eltho {el'-tho}, which do not otherwise occur) Root word; 1) to come a) of persons 1) to come from one place to another, and used both of persons arriving and of those returning 2) to appear, make one's appearance, come before the public 2) metaph. a) to come into being, arise, come forth, show itself, find place or influence b) be established, become known, to come (fall) into or unto 3) to go, to follow one” He ‘is come‘, forever, as the Lamb of God, the Firstborn of the human race who inherit’s the kingdom that the Father prepared for his human son, the Adam, who is the dead disinherited son, and as the Firstborn; the Kinsman, He had all legal rights to redeem the lost sons and the kingdom that they were given and sold. The price of redemption was His blood, the acceptable sacrifice, shed for our redemption and cleansing. When the equal with YHWH of hosts, the second Person of the “Godhead -the supreme ELOHIM, the ELOHIM of ELOHIM“- makes Himself known to Israel (when they say Blessed is He who comes in the name of YHWH), then they shall look upon Him whom they pierced, and ask, “What are these wounds in thine hands?”; The Adam flesh cannot inherit the kingdom of God,w hich the Adam was given as his inheritance in the beginning, on day six. The Israel, fully human, flesh will inherit the Kingdom of God that He purchased back as Kinsman-Redeemer. Thios earth was given to Adam, and his seed, forever, the One who came, the YHWH of hosts in human flesh, at the incarnation, is the Son of Man who is the Kinsman who ransomed the kingdom that Adam sold. He will reign as Son of Man over this earth, for it can belong to no other by divine decree. Only a Son of Man could redeem the sold possession. For this reason He 'is come' 'in' right now “IN” the flesh: come in the fully human 'Kinsman' flesh forever. His flesh was never perishable for His human flesh of the New creation had no sin nor sin curse, not being made of the dust of the curse. Because He owns the kingdom, and in His Human flesh has the power of an endless life, He will regenerate the kingdom and the heaven that He created and rule this kingdom, on this planet, regenerated, forever, as Son of Man; YHWH of hosts in fully human flesh, risen and glorified, forever.

Hi I,
Scripture says in Jn 19.37 partially quoting Zech 12.10
“shall look on him whom they have pierced”
And Rev 1.7
“..every eye shall see him, even those who pierced him”

They see “the one” who has been pierced, Jesus Christ. It does not say the wounds of that piercing are still visible. That is adding to scripture. No, like we will be he is now in his new imperishable body put on over the weak old flesh and blood body.

[NickHassan]

Quote (Guest @ July 25 2005,15:38)

Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 25 2005,11:35) Hi I, The heavenly body is not of flesh and blood. Those things are of earth. Flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom. The body of Jesus Christ seen on earth was earthy. It was flesh and blood. It was not like the body of the man from heaven which is as the angels and imperishable. God and divine beings and angels are not of earth and need not eat. They do not need oxygen in heaven to breathe nor do they bleed. The Son of God had divine spiritual nature with no body in heaven and only partook of flesh at birth. Any suggestion he had a natural body appearing on earth prior to this time is just vain speculation. He was the image of God and God is spirit. He was not a person with a heavenly body different to God but the image of God. That body seen on earth was from the dust of Mary and God's Spirit. It was not a different perfect body. It was made in the likeness of sinful flesh. The body of Jesus Christ was not imperishable but was torn and bled, it could die and did die, so that God's power would be shown in his resurrection because the Spirit of God remained in him after his own spirit was given up. Hello Nick, Jesus is in His body that He put on Himself in the incarnation, which was not of this creation’s cursed dust, for then it would have been a corrupt vessel and would not have been the acceptable sacrifice for Adam’s  once for all atonement, to end the separation from the Holy Presence of His glory. The word ‘is come’ is present tense -and look; “1Jo 4:2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God: 1Jo 4:3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that [spirit] of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world. 2Jo 1:7 For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist. http://www.blueletterbible.org “is come: erchomai {er'-khom-ahee} middle voice of a primary verb (used only in the present and imperfect tenses, the others being supplied by a kindred [middle voice] eleuthomai {el-yoo'-thom-ahee}, or [active] eltho {el'-tho}, which do not otherwise occur) Root word; 1) to come a) of persons 1) to come from one place to another, and used both of persons arriving and of those returning 2) to appear, make one's appearance, come before the public 2) metaph. a) to come into being, arise, come forth, show itself, find place or influence b) be established, become known, to come (fall) into or unto 3) to go, to follow one” He ‘is come‘, forever, as the Lamb of God, the Firstborn of the human race who inherit’s the kingdom that the Father prepared for his human son, the Adam, who is the dead disinherited son, and as the Firstborn; the Kinsman, He had all legal rights to redeem the lost sons and the kingdom that they were given and sold. The price of redemption was His blood, the acceptable sacrifice, shed for our redemption and cleansing. When the equal with YHWH of hosts, the second Person of the “Godhead -the supreme ELOHIM, the ELOHIM of ELOHIM“- makes Himself known to Israel (when they say Blessed is He who comes in the name of YHWH), then they shall look upon Him whom they pierced, and ask, “What are these wounds in thine hands?”; The Adam flesh cannot inherit the kingdom of God,w hich the Adam was given as his inheritance in the beginning, on day six. The Israel, fully human, flesh will inherit the Kingdom of God that He purchased back as Kinsman-Redeemer. Thios earth was given to Adam, and his seed, forever, the One who came, the YHWH of hosts in human flesh, at the incarnation, is the Son of Man who is the Kinsman who ransomed the kingdom that Adam sold. He will reign as Son of Man over this earth, for it can belong to no other by divine decree. Only a Son of Man could redeem the sold possession. For this reason He 'is come' 'in' right now “IN” the flesh: come in the fully human 'Kinsman' flesh forever. His flesh was never perishable for His human flesh of the New creation had no sin nor sin curse, not being made of the dust of the curse. Because He owns the kingdom, and in His Human flesh has the power of an endless life, He will regenerate the kingdom and the heaven that He created and rule this kingdom, on this planet, regenerated, forever, as Son of Man; YHWH of hosts in fully human flesh, risen and glorified, forever.

Hi ,
The Son of Man was not a kinsman unless he was of the same flesh type. You same he was of superior perfect flesh but scripture says he came “in the likeness of sinful flesh”

He was not God but the Son of God, a vessel to be filled with the fullness of God's deity.

[NickHassan]

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Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 25 2005,05:30) Hi, So our new heavenly body is like to his, cut and torn and punctured? That does not seem like an imperishable body to me. 1Cor 15.50 ” Now I say this, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; nor does the perishable inherit the imperishable” Jesus Christ was flesh and blood like us. He needed to eat and drink and rest and sleep. That was not the heavenly body but one just like ours. No he fully shared our status as man in a natural perishable body till he was resurrected up to the Father. Nick, He was bruised for us, we will not be bruised. He has the scars, not the bleeding wounds. We get our own body regenerated in His image and likeness, and that is the adoption. The nation of Israel will look upon His scars and ask Him where He got them when they return to Him. Jesus is the flesh, then we are the spirit of antichrist. He rose in the same body that he came human blood. But the Adam kind, called the flesh and blood of the passage, the perishable, the will not inherit the kingdom of God. “Handle me and see that it is I myself, for a spirit does not have flesh”. His body did not perish and could not perish, as there was no sin in it and no defilement of the clay of this cursed creation. He had life in Himself, as the YHWH of hosts incarnate, and did not need to eat oif the tree of life as Adam did. When the pre-incarnate LORD Jesus Christ came to destroy Sodom He ate meat, bread, butter and milk, with Abraham. When He rose from the dead He ate and drank with the disciples and showed Hiumself alive by many infallible proofs. Angels eat,

Hi,
We do not get our just own old flesh and blood body regenerated but a new imperishable body. Flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom.

If he had life in himself, and I agree scripture says he has, then he is not part of God. He is a separate being, the Son of God. Trinity does not teach he has life in himself but that he shares the life and substance of God.

The flesh and blood perishable body of Jesus Christ died. His flesh perished and his blood was poured out unto water. Of that scripture is very plain.

But he was made alive in the spirit and his old body\tent was resurrected. Unless you wish to deny the real nature of resurrection too?

Where does scripture say Jesus Christ ate with Abraham? You are not presuming and reading between the lines again surely?

[NickHassan]

Quote (Guest @ July 25 2005,06:54)

Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 25 2005,06:24) Hi, The flesh that Thomas put his hand into was neither imperishable nor heavenly. The Messiah is come in flesh and that flesh was killed and resurrected. But it was still flesh and blood when he walkled the earth prior to his ascension to the Father. That flesh and blood body could not inherit the kingdom. The new glorious heavenly body of the resurrection will be like to the angels he said. It will not be of flesh and blood. We will not need food or other earthly needs of the old flesh and blood body as his did, shown by his eating fish at the end of John's gospel. Nick, Angels eat food. Angels cook food. Men ate angel's food in the Word, and angels came and ate men's food, in the Word. Sons of Elohim married daughters of Adam and had offspring and got chained up for it, in hell, until the judgement, as a warning to 'others' not to commit that type of transgression. Jesus' flesh is human flesh, and not one hair of the head of a Believer will be missing in the resurrected body, for the hairs of our head are numbered in the Book of life and we will be resurrected whole, without mutations, with all our members, but in the image of the New Man, the Israel kind. And glorified in Israel bodies which will be our bodies regenerated for us to inhabit forever. There is no place in the word of God that teaches that Jesus Christ left the body of human flesh that He came incarnate in, and that second Adam, the Last Adam, is the Life giving Spirit in the flesh body. When we are born again in His image, then we share that life and that is the 'spiritual' body of flesh that is the last Adam, the second Man. We will not be angels in heaven, but like them, we will not marry nor give nmarraige. We will be the godly seed that He sought when He made Adam “one”, only we will be the adopted “godly seed” in the “one” Spirit of the Israel-kind human. Behold what manner of love the Father hath bestowed on us that we should be called sons of God. Adam was God's son, in Adam we all die; YHWH came incarnate to bring us back to the Father as His sons.

Hi,
We are born again by water and the Spirit into the body of Christ, the church, a shared body enlivened by the Spirit of Christ.

But that is not the new imperishable body which we put on when we are resurrected-that is individual.

The son of God partook of flesh and his Father came to live in him by His Spirit, to allow us to become brothers of Jesus and, like Jesus, and in Jesus to become sons of the Father God.

[Anonymous]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 25 2005,19:15)

Quote (Guest @ July 25 2005,16:01) Quote (Guest @ July 25 2005,15:38) Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 25 2005,11:35) Hi I, The heavenly body is not of flesh and blood. Those things are of earth. Flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom. The body of Jesus Christ seen on earth was earthy. It was flesh and blood. It was not like the body of the man from heaven which is as the angels and imperishable. God and divine beings and angels are not of earth and need not eat. They do not need oxygen in heaven to breathe nor do they bleed. The Son of God had divine spiritual nature with no body in heaven and only partook of flesh at birth. Any suggestion he had a natural body appearing on earth prior to this time is just vain speculation. He was the image of God and God is spirit. He was not a person with a heavenly body different to God but the image of God. That body seen on earth was from the dust of Mary and God's Spirit. It was not a different perfect body. It was made in the likeness of sinful flesh. The body of Jesus Christ was not imperishable but was torn and bled, it could die and did die, so that God's power would be shown in his resurrection because the Spirit of God remained in him after his own spirit was given up. Hello Nick, Jesus is in His body that He put on Himself in the incarnation, which was not of this creation’s cursed dust, for then it would have been a corrupt vessel and would not have been the acceptable sacrifice for Adam’s  once for all atonement, to end the separation from the Holy Presence of His glory. The word ‘is come’ is present tense -and look; “1Jo 4:2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God: 1Jo 4:3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that [spirit] of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world. 2Jo 1:7 For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist. http://www.blueletterbible.org “is come: erchomai {er'-khom-ahee} middle voice of a primary verb (used only in the present and imperfect tenses, the others being supplied by a kindred [middle voice] eleuthomai {el-yoo'-thom-ahee}, or [active] eltho {el'-tho}, which do not otherwise occur) Root word; 1) to come a) of persons 1) to come from one place to another, and used both of persons arriving and of those returning 2) to appear, make one's appearance, come before the public 2) metaph. a) to come into being, arise, come forth, show itself, find place or influence b) be established, become known, to come (fall) into or unto 3) to go, to follow one” He ‘is come‘, forever, as the Lamb of God, the Firstborn of the human race who inherit’s the kingdom that the Father prepared for his human son, the Adam, who is the dead disinherited son, and as the Firstborn; the Kinsman, He had all legal rights to redeem the lost sons and the kingdom that they were given and sold. The price of redemption was His blood, the acceptable sacrifice, shed for our redemption and cleansing. When the equal with YHWH of hosts, the second Person of the “Godhead -the supreme ELOHIM, the ELOHIM of ELOHIM“- makes Himself known to Israel (when they say Blessed is He who comes in the name of YHWH), then they shall look upon Him whom they pierced, and ask, “What are these wounds in thine hands?”; The Adam flesh cannot inherit the kingdom of God,w hich the Adam was given as his inheritance in the beginning, on day six. The Israel, fully human, flesh will inherit the Kingdom of God that He purchased back as Kinsman-Redeemer. Thios earth was given to Adam, and his seed, forever, the One who came, the YHWH of hosts in human flesh, at the incarnation, is the Son of Man who is the Kinsman who ransomed the kingdom that Adam sold. He will reign as Son of Man over this earth, for it can belong to no other by divine decree. Only a Son of Man could redeem the sold possession. For this reason He 'is come' 'in' right now “IN” the flesh: come in the fully human 'Kinsman' flesh forever. His flesh was never perishable for His human flesh of the New creation had no sin nor sin curse, not being made of the dust of the curse. Because He owns the kingdom, and in His Human flesh has the power of an endless life, He will regenerate the kingdom and the heaven that He created and rule this kingdom, on this planet, regenerated, forever, as Son of Man; YHWH of hosts in fully human flesh, risen and glorified, forever. Psa 78:25 Man did eat angels' food: he sent them meat to the full. Exd 16:4 Then said the LORD unto Moses, Behold, I will rain bread from heaven for you; and the people shall go out and gather a certain rate every day, that I may prove them, whether they will walk in my law, or no. Jhn 6:31 Our fathers did eat manna in the desert; as it is written, He gave them bread from heaven to eat. When three men -'enowsh'- appeared to Abraham, One of them was YHWH of hosts, going forth as 'messenger -(The uncreated Creator who created all the 'sons of elohim' and has no one like Him among them), and Abraham fed all three 'men'; Genesis 18: “They said, “Do as you have said.” 6 So Abraham hurried into the tent to Sarah and said, “Quickly, make ready three measures of fine meal; knead it and make cakes.” 7 And Abraham ran to the herd, took a tender and good calf, gave it to a young man, and he hastened to prepare it. 8 So he took butter and milk and the calf which he had prepared, and set it before them; and he stood by them under the tree as they ate.” When the LORD Jesus (YHWH of hosts second Person of the Elohim), came incarnate,  and gave His human life as the once for ever atonement to Ransom and cleanse the Adam-kind brothers of His flesh, and rose bodily from the tomb; he ate and drank with the disciples for the many days that He walked among them. He told Thomas to handle Him and see that He was flesh; Thomas acknowledged that He was 'His YHWH and His Elohim'- His 'Kurios and his Theos'; and worshipped Him in His fully human risen flesh. When He was glorified, in His flesh after His ascension, the Presence of the Glory that had formerly dwelt in the temple of Adam, at the beginning, when Adam was crowned with His glory, entered the 'Latter Temple' temple, His body of flesh, the New Man Firstborn of the 'Israel-kind', and is forever to remain in that 'Israel-kind' body. He will not give His glory to another, only to [the] Israel [kind]. Adam is dead to that glory; He came to Ransom many sons and bring them [back, as the adopted sons from the Adam] to that glory. His blood as the New Man was the Purchase price, and His blood sprinkled upon His body on the cross was the Atonement on the true altar that is the once for all atonemet for all Adam who 'will' be made clean, and born again in His image, to be the 'Holy of Holies' (all together, all the redeemed are  the New Jerusalem not made with hands that is, itself, His Holy of Holies forever that comes down from God out of heaven to the regenerated earth after the millennial reign), for His Presence to abide in forever. Hi, God never dwelled IN Adam. That is unscriptural. Like all men Adam was a vessel designed to be filled by the Spirit, and like all men contained the breath of God to live, but that is not the Holy Spirit of God. Angels come in many forms. The Angels that assumed human form and walked and ate and had sexual relations were not ordinary angels. They were not the angels that Jesus referred to as far as marriage was concerned which is the ordinary angel/messengers. They have personal names and greater respnsibilities and I believe have many names: The sons of God of Genesis and Job. The gods of Ps 97 The Princes of Daniel The elders of Revelation The angel of the Lord And the named Archangels I believe are this group of greater godlike beings.They can come to earth in apparent human guise with human like capabilities. But did they need food in heaven? Do ordinary angels/messengers eat? What do others think?

Gen 2:7 And the LORD God formed man [of] the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

Gen 3:17 And unto Adam he said, Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat of it: cursed [is] the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat [of] it all the days of thy life;

Ground: 'adamah {ad-aw-maw'} 1) ground, land
a) ground (as general, tilled, yielding sustenance)
b) piece of ground, a specific plot of land
c) earth substance (for building or constructing)
d) ground as earth's visible surface
e) land, territory, country
f) whole inhabited earth
g) city in Naphtali

Gen 3:18 Thorns also and thistles shall it bring forth to thee; and thou shalt eat the herb of the field;

Gen 3:19 In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou [art], and unto dust shalt thou return.

All Adam is taken from the ground. The ground is cursed.
Vessels made from the cursed ground are cursed, unclean, defiled.

Israel is not taken from the cursed ground, as all Adam is.
Israel is the Firstborn of the New Man creation, and the only begotten of the Father, as Israel’s brother, Adam, is dead to the Father forever.

No Adam could keep Himself alive nor could an Adam bring an offering that would be acceptable in their cursed clay vessels to the Holy Presence, as the defiled vessel would corrupt the offering and the offering would be unclean.

Caly, that Adam is taken from, is not a cleansable material. It must be destroyed and remade to be clean.

The regeneration of our bodies is exactly the destruction of the element that we are formed from and the remaking of those elements into the New body.

The entire creation will be melted by fervent heat, with the elements being on fire, and the entire creation will be remade, with the same elements that were first called into being in the beginning by Elohim, YHWH of hosts, 1st, 2nd , and 3rd Persons.

Our bodies will be resurrected from the dust of this creation, using the same elements and the same DNA plan that we were first written in the book of Life to have.

The Israel is brother to the Adam, He is not from the dust of this creation, but is a New Man, as Adam was in the beginning, before he fell and died to the indwelling glory of His Presence that we are being bought back for.

Redemption of the human sons of Elohim is what the YHWH of hosts ‘is come’ in human flesh to do, and to bring many sons to glory.

We had the glory in Adam in the beginning.
We had the kingdom in Adam in the beginning.
We lost the glory and the kingdom, in Adam, and are not the sons of Elohim in our fallen condition, but are desired for that purpose by our Creator; so He came, and was sent, to be our Kinsman, the brother of Adam with the legal right to Redeem the brother’s seed, to return them to the glory indwelling and the sonship of God state of being that the Adam was, first.

The purchase price was the blood of the clean vessel, the New Vessel, not of this cursed ground, but a New creation. YHWH of hosts, the second Person of Elohim, incarnate, dwells in that New Vessel

He’ll cleanse your soul and adopt you into His New family of the firstborn that inherit’s the kingdom if you will call upon His name, and not deny His name, and ask Him to cleanse you from your sin.

You can be born again in spirit and be adopted in spirit and then His spirit will indwell you in a measure until you are born again in body at the resurrection of your body and then you will be glorified as He is in body and share that glory in the Israel-kind body forever.

[NickHassan]

Quote (Guest @ July 25 2005,22:22)

Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 25 2005,19:15) Quote (Guest @ July 25 2005,16:01) Quote (Guest @ July 25 2005,15:38) Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 25 2005,11:35) Hi I, The heavenly body is not of flesh and blood. Those things are of earth. Flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom. The body of Jesus Christ seen on earth was earthy. It was flesh and blood. It was not like the body of the man from heaven which is as the angels and imperishable. God and divine beings and angels are not of earth and need not eat. They do not need oxygen in heaven to breathe nor do they bleed. The Son of God had divine spiritual nature with no body in heaven and only partook of flesh at birth. Any suggestion he had a natural body appearing on earth prior to this time is just vain speculation. He was the image of God and God is spirit. He was not a person with a heavenly body different to God but the image of God. That body seen on earth was from the dust of Mary and God's Spirit. It was not a different perfect body. It was made in the likeness of sinful flesh. The body of Jesus Christ was not imperishable but was torn and bled, it could die and did die, so that God's power would be shown in his resurrection because the Spirit of God remained in him after his own spirit was given up. Hello Nick, Jesus is in His body that He put on Himself in the incarnation, which was not of this creation’s cursed dust, for then it would have been a corrupt vessel and would not have been the acceptable sacrifice for Adam’s  once for all atonement, to end the separation from the Holy Presence of His glory. The word ‘is come’ is present tense -and look; “1Jo 4:2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God: 1Jo 4:3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that [spirit] of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world. 2Jo 1:7 For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist. http://www.blueletterbible.org “is come: erchomai {er'-khom-ahee} middle voice of a primary verb (used only in the present and imperfect tenses, the others being supplied by a kindred [middle voice] eleuthomai {el-yoo'-thom-ahee}, or [active] eltho {el'-tho}, which do not otherwise occur) Root word; 1) to come a) of persons 1) to come from one place to another, and used both of persons arriving and of those returning 2) to appear, make one's appearance, come before the public 2) metaph. a) to come into being, arise, come forth, show itself, find place or influence b) be established, become known, to come (fall) into or unto 3) to go, to follow one” He ‘is come‘, forever, as the Lamb of God, the Firstborn of the human race who inherit’s the kingdom that the Father prepared for his human son, the Adam, who is the dead disinherited son, and as the Firstborn; the Kinsman, He had all legal rights to redeem the lost sons and the kingdom that they were given and sold. The price of redemption was His blood, the acceptable sacrifice, shed for our redemption and cleansing. When the equal with YHWH of hosts, the second Person of the “Godhead -the supreme ELOHIM, the ELOHIM of ELOHIM“- makes Himself known to Israel (when they say Blessed is He who comes in the name of YHWH), then they shall look upon Him whom they pierced, and ask, “What are these wounds in thine hands?”; The Adam flesh cannot inherit the kingdom of God,w hich the Adam was given as his inheritance in the beginning, on day six. The Israel, fully human, flesh will inherit the Kingdom of God that He purchased back as Kinsman-Redeemer. Thios earth was given to Adam, and his seed, forever, the One who came, the YHWH of hosts in human flesh, at the incarnation, is the Son of Man who is the Kinsman who ransomed the kingdom that Adam sold. He will reign as Son of Man over this earth, for it can belong to no other by divine decree. Only a Son of Man could redeem the sold possession. For this reason He 'is come' 'in' right now “IN” the flesh: come in the fully human 'Kinsman' flesh forever. His flesh was never perishable for His human flesh of the New creation had no sin nor sin curse, not being made of the dust of the curse. Because He owns the kingdom, and in His Human flesh has the power of an endless life, He will regenerate the kingdom and the heaven that He created and rule this kingdom, on this planet, regenerated, forever, as Son of Man; YHWH of hosts in fully human flesh, risen and glorified, forever. Psa 78:25 Man did eat angels' food: he sent them meat to the full. Exd 16:4 Then said the LORD unto Moses, Behold, I will rain bread from heaven for you; and the people shall go out and gather a certain rate every day, that I may prove them, whether they will walk in my law, or no. Jhn 6:31 Our fathers did eat manna in the desert; as it is written, He gave them bread from heaven to eat. When three men -'enowsh'- appeared to Abraham, One of them was YHWH of hosts, going forth as 'messenger -(The uncreated Creator who created all the 'sons of elohim' and has no one like Him among them), and Abraham fed all three 'men'; Genesis 18: “They said, “Do as you have said.” 6 So Abraham hurried into the tent to Sarah and said, “Quickly, make ready three measures of fine meal; knead it and make cakes.” 7 And Abraham ran to the herd, took a tender and good calf, gave it to a young man, and he hastened to prepare it. 8 So he took butter and milk and the calf which he had prepared, and set it before them; and he stood by them under the tree as they ate.” When the LORD Jesus (YHWH of hosts second Person of the Elohim), came incarnate,  and gave His human life as the once for ever atonement to Ransom and cleanse the Adam-kind brothers of His flesh, and rose bodily from the tomb; he ate and drank with the disciples for the many days that He walked among them. He told Thomas to handle Him and see that He was flesh; Thomas acknowledged that He was 'His YHWH and His Elohim'- His 'Kurios and his Theos'; and worshipped Him in His fully human risen flesh. When He was glorified, in His flesh after His ascension, the Presence of the Glory that had formerly dwelt in the temple of Adam, at the beginning, when Adam was crowned with His glory, entered the 'Latter Temple' temple, His body of flesh, the New Man Firstborn of the 'Israel-kind', and is forever to remain in that 'Israel-kind' body. He will not give His glory to another, only to [the] Israel [kind]. Adam is dead to that glory; He came to Ransom many sons and bring them [back, as the adopted s ons from the Adam] to that glory. His blood as the New Man was the Purchase price, and His blood sprinkled upon His body on the cross was the Atonement on the true altar that is the once for all atonemet for all Adam who 'will' be made clean, and born again in His image, to be the 'Holy of Holies' (all together, all the redeemed are  the New Jerusalem not made with hands that is, itself, His Holy of Holies forever that comes down from God out of heaven to the regenerated earth after the millennial reign), for His Presence to abide in forever. Hi, God never dwelled IN Adam. That is unscriptural. Like all men Adam was a vessel designed to be filled by the Spirit, and like all men contained the breath of God to live, but that is not the Holy Spirit of God. Angels come in many forms. The Angels that assumed human form and walked and ate and had sexual relations were not ordinary angels. They were not the angels that Jesus referred to as far as marriage was concerned which is the ordinary angel/messengers. They have personal names and greater respnsibilities and I believe have many names: The sons of God of Genesis and Job. The gods of Ps 97 The Princes of Daniel The elders of Revelation The angel of the Lord And the named Archangels I believe are this group of greater godlike beings.They can come to earth in apparent human guise with human like capabilities. But did they need food in heaven? Do ordinary angels/messengers eat? What do others think? Gen 2:7 And the LORD God formed man [of] the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul. Gen 3:17 And unto Adam he said, Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat of it: cursed [is] the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat [of] it all the days of thy life; Ground: 'adamah {ad-aw-maw'} 1) ground, land a) ground (as general, tilled, yielding sustenance) b) piece of ground, a specific plot of land c) earth substance (for building or constructing) d) ground as earth's visible surface e) land, territory, country f) whole inhabited earth g) city in Naphtali Gen 3:18 Thorns also and thistles shall it bring forth to thee; and thou shalt eat the herb of the field; Gen 3:19 In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou [art], and unto dust shalt thou return. All Adam is taken from the ground. The ground is cursed. Vessels made from the cursed ground are cursed, unclean, defiled. Israel is not taken from the cursed ground, as all Adam is. Israel is the Firstborn of the New Man creation, and the only begotten of the Father, as Israel’s brother, Adam, is dead to the Father forever. No Adam could keep Himself alive nor could an Adam bring an offering that would be acceptable in their cursed clay vessels to the Holy Presence, as the defiled vessel would corrupt the offering and the offering would be unclean. Caly, that Adam is taken from, is not a cleansable material. It must be destroyed and remade to be clean. The regeneration of our bodies is exactly the destruction of the element that we are formed from and the remaking of those elements into the New body. The entire creation will be melted by fervent heat, with the elements being on fire, and the entire creation will be remade, with the same elements that were first called into being in the beginning by Elohim, YHWH of hosts, 1st, 2nd , and 3rd  Persons. Our bodies will be resurrected from the dust of this creation, using the same elements and the same DNA plan that we were first written in the book of Life to have. The Israel is brother to the Adam, He is not from the dust of this creation, but is a New Man, as Adam was in the beginning, before he fell and died to the indwelling glory of His Presence that we are being bought back for. Redemption of the human sons of Elohim is what the YHWH of hosts ‘is come’ in human flesh to do, and to bring many sons to glory. We had the glory in Adam in the beginning. We had the kingdom in Adam in the beginning. We lost the glory and the kingdom, in Adam, and are not the sons of Elohim in our fallen condition, but are desired for that purpose by our Creator; so He came, and was sent, to be our Kinsman, the brother of Adam with the legal right to Redeem the brother’s seed, to return them to the glory indwelling and the sonship of God state of being that the Adam was, first. The purchase price was the blood of the clean vessel, the New Vessel, not of this cursed ground, but a New creation. YHWH of hosts, the second Person of Elohim,  incarnate, dwells in that New Vessel He’ll cleanse your soul and adopt you into His New family of the firstborn that inherit’s the kingdom if you will call upon His name, and not deny His name, and ask Him to cleanse you from your sin. You can be born again in spirit and be adopted in spirit and then His spirit will indwell you in a measure until you are born again in body at the resurrection of your body and then you will be glorified as He is in body and share that glory in the Israel-kind body forever.

Hi IAR,
When Adam was taken from the dust of the ground the ground was not cursed. The creation of man was before this verse;
Gen 1 31
“And God saw ALL that He had made[including man Gen 1.27], and behold, it was very good.”

That curse on the ground “for his sake”, only happened as a result of his sin. No more men were taken from the dust but from the uncursed soil body of Adam.

That vessel can be made clean as Jesus explained to his disciples. Symbolically baptism also is a sign of that inner cleansing of conscience[1Peter 3]so that the vessel can be used by the spirit of God. The body vessel is not the problem but the sin in the heart.

2 Tim 2″therefore if a man cleanses himself from these things he will be a vessel for honor..”

[NickHassan]

Hi I,
” A body you have prepared for me”

speaks of the Son of God prior to his partaking of flesh.

So when this was spoken he had no body but was the image of God, his Father as spirit?

Do you agree?

If so then for what reason can you assume he walked the earth and ate with Abraham?

[Anonymous]

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Quote (Guest @ July 25 2005,15:38) nick wrote: Hi I, The heavenly body is not of flesh and blood. Those things are of earth. Flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom. The body of Jesus Christ seen on earth was earthy. It was flesh and blood. It was not like the body of the man from heaven which is as the angels and imperishable. God and divine beings and angels are not of earth and need not eat. They do not need oxygen in heaven to breathe nor do they bleed. The Son of God had divine spiritual nature with no body in heaven and only partook of flesh at birth. Any suggestion he had a natural body appearing on earth prior to this time is just vain speculation. He was the image of God and God is spirit. He was not a person with a heavenly body different to God but the image of God. That body seen on earth was from the dust of Mary and God's Spirit. It was not a different perfect body. It was made in the likeness of sinful flesh. The body of Jesus Christ was not imperishable but was torn and bled, it could die and did die, so that God's power would be shown in his resurrection because the Spirit of God remained in him after his own spirit was given up. Hello Nick, Jesus is in His body that He put on Himself in the incarnation, which was not of this creation’s cursed dust, for then it would have been a corrupt vessel and would not have been the acceptable sacrifice for Adam’s  once for all atonement, to end the separation from the Holy Presence of His glory. The word ‘is come’ is present tense -and look; “1Jo 4:2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God: 1Jo 4:3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that [spirit] of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world. 2Jo 1:7 For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist. http://www.blueletterbible.org “is come: erchomai {er'-khom-ahee} middle voice of a primary verb (used only in the present and imperfect tenses, the others being supplied by a kindred [middle voice] eleuthomai {el-yoo'-thom-ahee}, or [active] eltho {el'-tho}, which do not otherwise occur) Root word; 1) to come a) of persons 1) to come from one place to another, and used both of persons arriving and of those returning 2) to appear, make one's appearance, come before the public 2) metaph. a) to come into being, arise, come forth, show itself, find place or influence b) be established, become known, to come (fall) into or un

The brother to Adam was the same Human flesh type -minus the curse of sin upon it, as it was not of the cursed clay ground.

YHWH of hosts incarnate is a brother, a human brother, a fully human brother, and the legal descendent to Adam in His incarnation, being born of the woman.

God could have raised up seed to Abraham from rocks, or stones, and they would have been fully human and fully Abraham's seed.

Why do you deny that He made a fully human body that is not the seed of Adam, the cursed dead one, and placed that body in the womb of the virgin to become the Son of Man who has the power and the Life to redeem man and his lost kingdom?

Why is it so hard for you to believe what the word of God says about His humanity and His 'present tense' 'Is Come' in the flesh human body?

It is the cursed Adam flesh and blood that cannot inherit the kingdom, the New Creation is human and flesh, and has blood, forever.

He is 'made' a life giving spirit in His human flesh.
Adam was 'made' a living soul in His human flesh.

Both have human flesh.
Adam is a living soul in a human flesh body.

Israel is the LIVING Spirit in a New Creation human flesh body.

The water was as a solid to YHWH of hosts in His human flesh before the resurrection of it; the walls of the room were as not solid, after His resurrection, when He appeared and ate and drank with them for the forty days.

He came in the likeness of sinful flesh, minus the glory indwelling, to Redeem the Adamkind and bring the Adamkind back to the glory, for His PResence to indwell as the temple of God that we were first created to be.

Angels ate human food with Abraham, and Lot.
The YHWH was One of the three who ate with Abraham and told Him what would happen.

And the LORD [03068] Y@hovah
appeared [07200] ra'ah
unto him in the plains [0436] 'elown
of Mamre: [04471] Mamre'
and he sat [03427] yashab
in the tent [0168] 'ohel
door [06607] pethach
in the heat [02527] chom
of the day; [03117] yowm
And he lift up [05375] nasa'
his eyes [05869] `ayin
and looked, [07200] ra'ah
and, lo, three [07969] shalowsh
men [0582] 'enowsh
stood [05324] natsab
by him: and when he saw [07200] ra'ah
[them], he ran [07323] ruwts
to meet [07125] qir'ah
them from the tent [0168] 'ohel
door, [06607] pethach
and bowed [07812] shachah
himself toward the ground, [0776] 'erets

And I will fetch [03947] laqach
a morsel [06595] path
of bread, [03899] lechem
and comfort ye [05582] ca`ad
your hearts; [03820] leb
after that [0310] 'achar
ye shall pass on: [05674] `abar
for therefore are ye come [05674] `abar
to [05921] `al
your servant. [05650] `ebed
And they said, [01696] dabar
So do, [06213] `asah
as thou hast said. [0559] 'amar

And he took [03947] laqach
butter, [02529] chem'ah
and milk, [02461] chalab
and the calf [01121] ben
(with Strongs #) [01241] baqar
which he had dressed, [06213] `asah
and set [05414] nathan
[it] before them; [06440] paniym
and he stood [05975] `amad
by them under the tree, [06086] `ets
and they did eat. [0398]

And they said [0559] 'amar
unto him, Where [0346] 'ayeh
[is] Sarah [08283] Sarah
thy wife? [0802] 'ishshah
And he said, [0559] 'amar
Behold, in the tent. [0168] 'ohel

Gen 18:13 And the LORD said unto Abraham, Wherefore did Sarah laugh, saying, Shall I of a surety bear a child, which am old?

Gen 18:20 And the LORD said, Because the cry of Sodom and Gomorrah is great, and because their sin is very grievous;
Gen 18:21 I will go down now, and see whether they have done altogether according to the cry of it, which is come unto me; and if not, I will know.
Gen 18:22 And the men turned their faces from thence, and went toward Sodom: but Abraham stood yet before the LORD.

18:33 And the LORD went his way, as soon as he had left communing with Abraham: and Abraham returned unto his place.
YHWH appweared as one of the three, and He ate communed with Abraham.

When He went His way, to Sodom and the cities of the plain, the next day, YHWH called down fire and brimstone from YHWH in heaven.

Meantime, the two messengers who
came to Abraham's at the first, with YHWH as messenger, ate a meal with LOT.

The Israeli's in the wilderness ate 'angel's food' from heaven for the forty years in the wildernes.

[Anonymous]

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Quote (Guest @ July 25 2005,15:38) Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 25 2005,11:35) Hi I, The heavenly body is not of flesh and blood. Those things are of earth. Flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom. The body of Jesus Christ seen on earth was earthy. It was flesh and blood. It was not like the body of the man from heaven which is as the angels and imperishable. God and divine beings and angels are not of earth and need not eat. They do not need oxygen in heaven to breathe nor do they bleed. The Son of God had divine spiritual nature with no body in heaven and only partook of flesh at birth. Any suggestion he had a natural body appearing on earth prior to this time is just vain speculation. He was the image of God and God is spirit. He was not a person with a heavenly body different to God but the image of God. That body seen on earth was from the dust of Mary and God's Spirit. It was not a different perfect body. It was made in the likeness of sinful flesh. The body of Jesus Christ was not imperishable but was torn and bled, it could die and did die, so that God's power would be shown in his resurrection because the Spirit of God remained in him after his own spirit was given up. Hello Nick, Jesus is in His body that He put on Himself in the incarnation, which was not of this creation’s cursed dust, for then it would have been a corrupt vessel and would not have been the acceptable sacrifice for Adam’s  once for all atonement, to end the separation from the Holy Presence of His glory. The word ‘is come’ is present tense -and look; “1Jo 4:2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God: 1Jo 4:3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that [spirit] of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world. 2Jo 1:7 For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist. http://www.blueletterbible.org “is come: erchomai {er'-khom-ahee} middle voice of a primary verb (used only in the present and imperfect tenses, the others being supplied by a kindred [middle voice] eleuthomai {el-yoo'-thom-ahee}, or [active] eltho {el'-tho}, which do not otherwise occur) Root word; 1) to come a) of persons 1) to come from one place to another, and used both of persons arriving and of those returning 2) to appear, make one's appearance, come before the public 2) metaph. a) to come into being, arise, come forth, show itself, find place or influence b) be established, become known, to come (fall) into or unto 3) to go, to follow one” He ‘is come‘, forever, as the Lamb of God, the Firstborn of the human race who inherit’s the kingdom that the Father prepared for his human son, the Adam, who is the dead disinherited son, and as the Firstborn; the Kinsman, He had all legal rights to redeem the lost sons and the kingdom that they were given and sold. The price of redemption was His blood, the acceptable sacrifice, shed for our redemption and cleansing. When the equal with YHWH of hosts, the second Person of the “Godhead -the supreme ELOHIM, the ELOHIM of ELOHIM“- makes Himself known to Israel (when they say Blessed is He who comes in the name of YHWH), then they shall look upon Him whom they pierced, and ask, “What are these wounds in thine hands?”; The Adam flesh cannot inherit the kingdom of God,w hich the Adam was given as his inheritance in the beginning, on day six. The Israel, fully human, flesh will inherit the Kingdom of God that He purchased back as Kinsman-Redeemer. Thios earth was given to Adam, and his seed, forever, the One who came, the YHWH of hosts in human flesh, at the incarnation, is the Son of Man who is the Kinsman who ransomed the kingdom that Adam sold. He will reign as Son of Man over this earth, for it can belong to no other by divine decree. Only a Son of Man could redeem the sold possession. For this reason He 'is come' 'in' right now “IN” the flesh: come in the fully human 'Kinsman' flesh forever. His flesh was never perishable for His human flesh of the New creation had no sin nor sin curse, not being made of the dust of the curse. Because He owns the kingdom, and in His Human flesh has the power of an endless life, He will regenerate the kingdom and the heaven that He created and rule this kingdom, on this planet, regenerated, forever, as Son of Man; YHWH of hosts in fully human flesh, risen and glorified, forever. Hi , The Son of Man was not a kinsman unless he was of the same flesh type. You same he was of superior perfect flesh but scripture says he came “in the likeness of sinful flesh” He was not God but the Son of God, a vessel to be filled with the fullness of God's deity.

The brother to Adam was the same Human flesh type -minus the curse of sin upon it, as it was not of the cursed clay ground.

YHWH of hosts incarnate is a brother, a human brother, a fully human brother, and the legal descendent to Adam in His incarnation, being born of the woman.

God could have raised up seed to Abraham from rocks, or stones, and they would have been fully human and fully Abraham's seed.

Why do you deny that He made a fully human body that is not the seed of Adam, the cursed dead one, and placed that body in the womb of the virgin to become the Son of Man who has the power and the Life to redeem man and his lost kingdom?

Why is it so hard for you to believe what the word of God says about His humanity and His 'present tense' 'Is Come' in the flesh human body?

It is the cursed Adam flesh and blood that cannot inherit the kingdom, the New Creation is human and flesh, and has blood, forever.

He is 'made' a life giving spirit in His human flesh.
Adam was 'made' a living soul in His human flesh.

Both have human flesh.
Adam is a living soul in a human flesh body.

Israel is the LIVING Spirit in a New Creation human flesh body.

The water was as a solid to YHWH of hosts in His human flesh before the resurrection of it; the walls of the room were as not solid, after His resurrection, when He appeared and ate and drank with them for the forty days.

He came in the likeness of sinful flesh, minus the glory indwelling, to Redeem the Adamkind and bring the Adamkind back to the glory, for His PResence to indwell as the temple of God that we were first created to be.

Angels ate human food with Abraham, and Lot.
The YHWH was One of the three who ate with Abraham and told Him what would happen.

And the LORD [03068] Y@hovah
appeared [07200] ra'ah
unto him in the plains [0436] 'elown
of Mamre: [04471] Mamre'
and he sat [03427] yashab
in the tent [0168] 'ohel
door [06607] pethach
in the heat [02527] chom
of the day; [03117] yowm
And he lift up [05375] nasa'
his eyes
[05869] `ayin
and looked, [07200] ra'ah
and, lo, three [07969] shalowsh
men [0582] 'enowsh
stood [05324] natsab
by him: and when he saw [07200] ra'ah
[them], he ran [07323] ruwts
to meet [07125] qir'ah
them from the tent [0168] 'ohel
door, [06607] pethach
and bowed [07812] shachah
himself toward the ground, [0776] 'erets

And I will fetch [03947] laqach
a morsel [06595] path
of bread, [03899] lechem
and comfort ye [05582] ca`ad
your hearts; [03820] leb
after that [0310] 'achar
ye shall pass on: [05674] `abar
for therefore are ye come [05674] `abar
to [05921] `al
your servant. [05650] `ebed
And they said, [01696] dabar
So do, [06213] `asah
as thou hast said. [0559] 'amar

And he took [03947] laqach
butter, [02529] chem'ah
and milk, [02461] chalab
and the calf [01121] ben
(with Strongs #) [01241] baqar
which he had dressed, [06213] `asah
and set [05414] nathan
[it] before them; [06440] paniym
and he stood [05975] `amad
by them under the tree, [06086] `ets
and they did eat. [0398]

And they said [0559] 'amar
unto him, Where [0346] 'ayeh
[is] Sarah [08283] Sarah
thy wife? [0802] 'ishshah
And he said, [0559] 'amar
Behold, in the tent. [0168] 'ohel

Gen 18:13 And the LORD said unto Abraham, Wherefore did Sarah laugh, saying, Shall I of a surety bear a child, which am old?

Gen 18:20 And the LORD said, Because the cry of Sodom and Gomorrah is great, and because their sin is very grievous;
Gen 18:21 I will go down now, and see whether they have done altogether according to the cry of it, which is come unto me; and if not, I will know.
Gen 18:22 And the men turned their faces from thence, and went toward Sodom: but Abraham stood yet before the LORD.

18:33 And the LORD went his way, as soon as he had left communing with Abraham: and Abraham returned unto his place.
YHWH appweared as one of the three, and He ate communed with Abraham.

When He went His way, to Sodom and the cities of the plain, the next day, YHWH called down fire and brimstone from YHWH in heaven.

Meantime, the two messengers who came to Abraham's at the first, with YHWH as messenger, ate a meal with LOT.

The Israeli's in the wilderness ate 'angel's food' from heaven for the forty years in the wildernes.

[NickHassan]

Hi,
Scripture says the soil from which Adam was created, and Man himself, as God's creation, was “very good”.

The soil was only cursed after man's creation.

[Anonymous]

Quote (Guest @ July 25 2005,22:58)

Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 25 2005,21:06) Quote (Guest @ July 25 2005,15:38) Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 25 2005,11:35) Hi I, The heavenly body is not of flesh and blood. Those things are of earth. Flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom. The body of Jesus Christ seen on earth was earthy. It was flesh and blood. It was not like the body of the man from heaven which is as the angels and imperishable. God and divine beings and angels are not of earth and need not eat. They do not need oxygen in heaven to breathe nor do they bleed. The Son of God had divine spiritual nature with no body in heaven and only partook of flesh at birth. Any suggestion he had a natural body appearing on earth prior to this time is just vain speculation. He was the image of God and God is spirit. He was not a person with a heavenly body different to God but the image of God. That body seen on earth was from the dust of Mary and God's Spirit. It was not a different perfect body. It was made in the likeness of sinful flesh. The body of Jesus Christ was not imperishable but was torn and bled, it could die and did die, so that God's power would be shown in his resurrection because the Spirit of God remained in him after his own spirit was given up. Hello Nick, Jesus is in His body that He put on Himself in the incarnation, which was not of this creation’s cursed dust, for then it would have been a corrupt vessel and would not have been the acceptable sacrifice for Adam’s  once for all atonement, to end the separation from the Holy Presence of His glory. The word ‘is come’ is present tense -and look; “1Jo 4:2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God: 1Jo 4:3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that [spirit] of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world. 2Jo 1:7 For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist. http://www.blueletterbible.org “is come: erchomai {er'-khom-ahee} middle voice of a primary verb (used only in the present and imperfect tenses, the others being supplied by a kindred [middle voice] eleuthomai {el-yoo'-thom-ahee}, or [active] eltho {el'-tho}, which do not otherwise occur) Root word; 1) to come a) of persons 1) to come from one place to another, and used both of persons arriving and of those returning 2) to appear, make one's appearance, come before the public 2) metaph. a) to come into being, arise, come forth, show itself, find place or influence b) be established, become known, to come (fall) into or unto 3) to go, to follow one” He ‘is come‘, forever, as the Lamb of God, the Firstborn of the human race who inherit’s the kingdom that the Father prepared for his human son, the Adam, who is the dead disinherited son, and as the Firstborn; the Kinsman, He had all legal rights to redeem the lost sons and the kingdom that they were given and sold. The price of redemption was His blood, the acceptable sacrifice, shed for our redemption and cleansing. When the equal with YHWH of hosts, the second Person of the “Godhead -the supreme ELOHIM, the ELOHIM of ELOHIM“- makes Himself known to Israel (when they say Blessed is He who comes in the name of YHWH), then they shall look upon Him whom they pierced, and ask, “What are these wounds in thine hands?”; The Adam flesh cannot inherit the kingdom of God,w hich the Adam was given as his inheritance in the beginning, on day six. The Israel, fully human, flesh will inherit the Kingdom of God that He purchased back as Kinsman-Redeemer. Thios earth was given to Adam, and his seed, forever, the One who came, the YHWH of hosts in human flesh, at the incarnation, is the Son of Man who is the Kinsman who ransomed the kingdom that Adam sold. He will reign as Son of Man over this earth, for it can belong to no other by divine decree. Only a Son of Man could redeem the sold possession. For this reason He 'is come' 'in' right now “IN” the flesh: come in the fully human 'Kinsman' flesh forever. His flesh was never perishable for His human flesh of the New creation had no sin nor sin curse, not being made of the dust of the curse. Because He owns the kingdom, and in His Human flesh has the power of an endless life, He will regenerate the kingdom and the heaven that He created and rule this kingdom, on this planet, regenerated, forever, as Son of Man; YHWH of hosts in fully human flesh, risen and glorified, forever. Hi , The Son of Man was not a kinsman unless he was of the same flesh type. You same he was of superior perfect flesh but scripture says he came “in the likeness of sinful flesh” He was not God but the Son of God, a vessel to be filled with the fullness of God's deity. The brother to Adam was the same Human flesh type -minus the curse of sin upon it, as it was not of the cursed clay ground. YHWH of hosts incarnate is a brother, a human brother, a fully human brother, and the legal descendent to Adam in His incarnation, being born of the woman. God could have raised up seed to Abraham from rocks, or stones, and they would have been fully human and fully Abraham's seed. Why do you deny that He made a fully human body that is not the seed of Adam, the cursed dead one, and placed that body in the womb of the virgin to become the Son of Man who has the power and the Life to redeem man and his lost kingdom? Why is it so hard for you to believe what the word of God says about His humanity and His 'present tense' 'Is Come' in the flesh human body? It is the cursed Adam flesh and blood that cannot inherit the kingdom, the New Creation is human and flesh, and has blood, forever. He is 'made' a life giving spirit in His human flesh. Adam was 'made' a living soul in His human flesh. Both have human flesh. Adam is a living soul in a human flesh body. Israel is the LIVING Spirit in a New Creation human flesh body. The water was as a solid to YHWH of hosts in His human flesh before the resurrection of it; the walls of the room were as not solid, after His resurrection, when He appeared and ate and drank with them for the forty days. He came in the likeness of sinful flesh, minus the glory indwelling, to Redeem the Adamkind and bring the Adamkind back to the glory, for His PResence to indwell as the temple of God that we were first created to be. Angels ate human food with Abraham, and Lot. The YHWH was One of the three who ate with Abraham and told Him what would happen. And the LORD  [03068]    Y@hovah   appeared    [07200]    ra'ah   unto him in the plains  [0436]    'elown   of Mamre:  [04471]    Mamre'   and he sat  [03427]    yashab   in the tent  [0168]    'ohel   door    [06607]    pethach   in the heat  [02527]    chom   of the day;  [03117]    yowm And he lift up  [05375]    nasa'   his eyes  [05869]    `ayin   and looked,  [07200]    ra'ah   and, lo, three  [07969]    shalowsh   men    [0582]    'enowsh   stood    [05324]    natsab   by him: and when he saw  [07200]    ra'ah   [them], he ran  [07323]    ruwts   to meet  [07125]    qir'ah   them from the tent  [0168]    'ohel   door,    [06607]    pethach   and bowed  [07812]    shachah   himself toward the ground,  [0776]    'erets And I will fetch  [03947]    laqach   a morsel  [06595]    path   of bread,  [03899]    lechem   and comfort ye  [05582]    ca`ad   your hearts;  [03820]    leb   after that  [0310]    'achar   ye shall pass on:  [05674]    `abar   for therefore are ye come  [05674]    `abar   to    [05921]    `al   your servant.  [05650]    `ebed   And they said,  [01696]    dabar   So do,  [06213]    `asah   as thou hast said.  [0559]    'amar And he took  [03947]    laqach   butter,    [02529]    chem'ah   and milk,  [02461]    chalab   and the calf  [01121]    ben   (with Strongs #)    [01241]    baqar   which he had dressed,  [06213]    `asah   and set  [05414]    nathan   [it] before them;  [06440]    paniym   and he stood  [05975]    `amad   by them under the tree,  [06086]    `ets   and they did eat.  [0398]     And they said  [0559]    'amar   unto him, Where  [0346]    'ayeh   [is] Sarah  [08283]    Sarah   thy wife?  [0802]    'ishshah   And he said,  [0559]    'amar   Behold, in the tent.  [0168]    'ohel Gen 18:13 And the LORD said unto Abraham, Wherefore did Sarah laugh, saying, Shall I of a surety bear a child, which am old?   Gen 18:20 And the LORD said, Because the cry of Sodom and Gomorrah is great, and because their sin is very grievous;   Gen 18:21 I will go down now, and see whether they have done altogether according to the cry of it, which is come unto me; and if not, I will know. Gen 18:22 And the men turned their faces from thence, and went toward Sodom: but Abraham stood yet before the LORD.     18:33 And the LORD went his way, as soon as he had left communing with Abraham: and Abraham returned unto his place. YHWH appweared as one of the three, and He ate communed with Abraham. When He went His way, to Sodom and the cities of the plain, the next day, YHWH called down fire and brimstone from YHWH in heaven. Meantime, the two messengers who came to Abraham's at the first, with YHWH as messenger, ate a meal with LOT. The Israeli's in the wilderness ate 'angel's food' from heaven for the forty years in the wildernes.

Gen 2:7 And the LORD God formed man [of] the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

Adam, in flesh, was made a living soul.

ISrael, YHWH of hosts, the second Person of the Godhead, was made, in flesh, a quickening Spirit.

One is from beneath, the Other is from above; both are in human flesh.

And [2532] kai
so [3779] houto
it is written, [1125] grapho
The first [4413] protos
man [444] anthropos
Adam [76] Adam
was made [1096] ginomai
(with Strongs #) [1519] eis
a living [2198] zao
soul; [5590] psuche
the last [2078] eschatos
Adam [76] Adam
[was made] [1519] eis
a quickening [2227] zoopoieo
spirit. [4151] pneuma

[NickHassan]

Hi I,
Gen 1.7
“Then the Lord formed MAN from the dust of the ground”

If Jesus Christ is not in any way of the dust of the ground through Mary then by the definition of scripture he is not MAN.

Acts 2 23
” this man, delivered up by the predetermined plan and foreknowledge of God, you nailed to a cross by the hands of godless men and put him to death”

[NickHassan]

Hi I,
Your view of Christ as man is that the flesh was what he lived in and not truly part of his being as it is with us?

So he was not like to us in this way either in your view?

Yet you highlight this flesh and blood body as being heavenly and imperishable?

Or are you saying he had a heavenly body that came to live in a flesh and blood body as well? Two bodies??

[NickHassan]

Quote (Guest @ July 25 2005,23:15)

Quote (Guest @ July 25 2005,22:58) Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 25 2005,21:06) Quote (Guest @ July 25 2005,15:38) Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 25 2005,11:35) Hi I, The heavenly body is not of flesh and blood. Those things are of earth. Flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom. The body of Jesus Christ seen on earth was earthy. It was flesh and blood. It was not like the body of the man from heaven which is as the angels and imperishable. God and divine beings and angels are not of earth and need not eat. They do not need oxygen in heaven to breathe nor do they bleed. The Son of God had divine spiritual nature with no body in heaven and only partook of flesh at birth. Any suggestion he had a natural body appearing on earth prior to this time is just vain speculation. He was the image of God and God is spirit. He was not a person with a heavenly body different to God but the image of God. That body seen on earth was from the dust of Mary and God's Spirit. It was not a different perfect body. It was made in the likeness of sinful flesh. The body of Jesus Christ was not imperishable but was torn and bled, it could die and did die, so that God's power would be shown in his resurrection because the Spirit of God remained in him after his own spirit was given up. Hello Nick, Jesus is in His body that He put on Himself in the incarnation, which was not of this creation’s cursed dust, for then it would have been a corrupt vessel and would not have been the acceptable sacrifice for Adam’s  once for all atonement, to end the separation from the Holy Presence of His glory. The word ‘is come’ is present tense -and look; “1Jo 4:2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God: 1Jo 4:3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that [spirit] of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world. 2Jo 1:7 For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist. http://www.blueletterbible.org “is come: erchomai {er'-khom-ahee} middle voice of a primary verb (used only in the present and imperfect tenses, the others being supplied by a kindred [middle voice] eleuthomai {el-yoo'-thom-ahee}, or [active] eltho {el'-tho}, which do not otherwise occur) Root word; 1) to come a) of persons 1) to come from one place to another, and used both of persons arriving and of those returning 2) to appear, make one's appearance, come before the public 2) metaph. a) to come into being, arise, come forth, show itself, find place or influence b) be established, become known, to come (fall) into or unto 3) to go, to follow one” He ‘is come‘, forever, as the Lamb of God, the Firstborn of the human race who inherit’s the kingdom that the Father prepared for his human son, the Adam, who is the dead disinherited son, and as the Firstborn; the Kinsman, He had all legal rights to redeem the lost sons and the kingdom that they were given and sold. The price of redemption was His blood, the acceptable sacrifice, shed for our redemption and cleansing. When the equal with YHWH of hosts, the second Person of the “Godhead -the supreme ELOHIM, the ELOHIM of ELOHIM“- makes Himself known to Israel (when they say Blessed is He who comes in the name of YHWH), then they shall look upon Him whom they pierced, and ask, “What are these wounds in thine hands?”; The Adam flesh cannot inherit the kingdom of God,w hich the Adam was given as his inheritance in the beginning, on day six. The Israel, fully human, flesh will inherit the Kingdom of God that He purchased back as Kinsman-Redeemer. Thios earth was given to Adam, and his seed, forever, the One who came, the YHWH of hosts in human flesh, at the incarnation, is the Son of Man who is the Kinsman who ransomed the kingdom that Adam sold. He will reign as Son of Man over this earth, for it can belong to no other by divine decree. Only a Son of Man could redeem the sold possession. For this reason He 'is come' 'in' right now “IN” the flesh: come in the fully human 'Kinsman' flesh forever. His flesh was never perishable for His human flesh of the New creation had no sin nor sin curse, not being made of the dust of the curse. Because He owns the kingdom, and in His Human flesh has the power of an endless life, He will regenerate the kingdom and the heaven that He created and rule this kingdom, on this planet, regenerated, forever, as Son of Man; YHWH of hosts in fully human flesh, risen and glorified, forever. Hi , The Son of Man was not a kinsman unless he was of the same flesh type. You same he was of superior perfect flesh but scripture says he came “in the likeness of sinful flesh” He was not God but the Son of God, a vessel to be filled with the fullness of God's deity. The brother to Adam was the same Human flesh type -minus the curse of sin upon it, as it was not of the cursed clay ground. YHWH of hosts incarnate is a brother, a human brother, a fully human brother, and the legal descendent to Adam in His incarnation, being born of the woman. God could have raised up seed to Abraham from rocks, or stones, and they would have been fully human and fully Abraham's seed. Why do you deny that He made a fully human body that is not the seed of Adam, the cursed dead one, and placed that body in the womb of the virgin to become the Son of Man who has the power and the Life to redeem man and his lost kingdom? Why is it so hard for you to believe what the word of God says about His humanity and His 'present tense' 'Is Come' in the flesh human body? It is the cursed Adam flesh and blood that cannot inherit the kingdom, the New Creation is human and flesh, and has blood, forever. He is 'made' a life giving spirit in His human flesh. Adam was 'made' a living soul in His human flesh. Both have human flesh. Adam is a living soul in a human flesh body. Israel is the LIVING Spirit in a New Creation human flesh body. The water was as a solid to YHWH of hosts in His human flesh before the resurrection of it; the walls of the room were as not solid, after His resurrection, when He appeared and ate and drank with them for the forty days. He came in the likeness of sinful flesh, minus the glory indwelling, to Redeem the Adamkind and bring the Adamkind back to the glory, for His PResence to indwell as the temple of God that we were first created to be. Angels ate human food with Abraham, and Lot. The YHWH was One of the three who ate with Abraham and told Him what would happ en. And the LORD  [03068]    Y@hovah   appeared    [07200]    ra'ah   unto him in the plains  [0436]    'elown   of Mamre:  [04471]    Mamre'   and he sat  [03427]    yashab   in the tent  [0168]    'ohel   door    [06607]    pethach   in the heat  [02527]    chom   of the day;  [03117]    yowm And he lift up  [05375]    nasa'   his eyes  [05869]    `ayin   and looked,  [07200]    ra'ah   and, lo, three  [07969]    shalowsh   men    [0582]    'enowsh   stood    [05324]    natsab   by him: and when he saw  [07200]    ra'ah   [them], he ran  [07323]    ruwts   to meet  [07125]    qir'ah   them from the tent  [0168]    'ohel   door,    [06607]    pethach   and bowed  [07812]    shachah   himself toward the ground,  [0776]    'erets And I will fetch  [03947]    laqach   a morsel  [06595]    path   of bread,  [03899]    lechem   and comfort ye  [05582]    ca`ad   your hearts;  [03820]    leb   after that  [0310]    'achar   ye shall pass on:  [05674]    `abar   for therefore are ye come  [05674]    `abar   to    [05921]    `al   your servant.  [05650]    `ebed   And they said,  [01696]    dabar   So do,  [06213]    `asah   as thou hast said.  [0559]    'amar And he took  [03947]    laqach   butter,    [02529]    chem'ah   and milk,  [02461]    chalab   and the calf  [01121]    ben   (with Strongs #)    [01241]    baqar   which he had dressed,  [06213]    `asah   and set  [05414]    nathan   [it] before them;  [06440]    paniym   and he stood  [05975]    `amad   by them under the tree,  [06086]    `ets   and they did eat.  [0398]     And they said  [0559]    'amar   unto him, Where  [0346]    'ayeh   [is] Sarah  [08283]    Sarah   thy wife?  [0802]    'ishshah   And he said,  [0559]    'amar   Behold, in the tent.  [0168]    'ohel Gen 18:13 And the LORD said unto Abraham, Wherefore did Sarah laugh, saying, Shall I of a surety bear a child, which am old?   Gen 18:20 And the LORD said, Because the cry of Sodom and Gomorrah is great, and because their sin is very grievous;   Gen 18:21 I will go down now, and see whether they have done altogether according to the cry of it, which is come unto me; and if not, I will know. Gen 18:22 And the men turned their faces from thence, and went toward Sodom: but Abraham stood yet before the LORD.     18:33 And the LORD went his way, as soon as he had left communing with Abraham: and Abraham returned unto his place. YHWH appweared as one of the three, and He ate communed with Abraham. When He went His way, to Sodom and the cities of the plain, the next day, YHWH called down fire and brimstone from YHWH in heaven. Meantime, the two messengers who came to Abraham's at the first, with YHWH as messenger, ate a meal with LOT. The Israeli's in the wilderness ate 'angel's food' from heaven for the forty years in the wildernes. Gen 2:7 And the LORD God formed man [of] the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul. Adam, in flesh, was made a living soul. ISrael, YHWH of hosts, the second Person of the Godhead, was made, in flesh, a quickening Spirit. One is from beneath, the Other is from above; both are in human flesh. And    [2532]    kai   so    [3779]    houto   it is written,  [1125]    grapho   The first  [4413]    protos   man    [444]    anthropos   Adam    [76]    Adam   was made  [1096]    ginomai   (with Strongs #)    [1519]    eis   a living  [2198]    zao   soul;    [5590]    psuche   the last  [2078]    eschatos   Adam    [76]    Adam   [was made]  [1519]    eis   a quickening  [2227]    zoopoieo   spirit.    [4151]    pneuma

Hi I,
Where does scripture say there are are “persons in the Godhead”?
Gen 2.7f
“..God formed man of dust from the ground..
..man BECAME a living being”

Of Jesus it says
1Cor 1545
“…”The first man,Adam, became a living soul” the last Adam became a life giving spirit”

He was an “adam” man and became a source of the Spirit of Christ, the Spirit of God for us unto eternal life.

[Anonymous]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 25 2005,20:58)

Quote (Guest @ July 25 2005,15:38) Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 25 2005,11:35) Hi I, The heavenly body is not of flesh and blood. Those things are of earth. Flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom. The body of Jesus Christ seen on earth was earthy. It was flesh and blood. It was not like the body of the man from heaven which is as the angels and imperishable. God and divine beings and angels are not of earth and need not eat. They do not need oxygen in heaven to breathe nor do they bleed. The Son of God had divine spiritual nature with no body in heaven and only partook of flesh at birth. Any suggestion he had a natural body appearing on earth prior to this time is just vain speculation. He was the image of God and God is spirit. He was not a person with a heavenly body different to God but the image of God. That body seen on earth was from the dust of Mary and God's Spirit. It was not a different perfect body. It was made in the likeness of sinful flesh. The body of Jesus Christ was not imperishable but was torn and bled, it could die and did die, so that God's power would be shown in his resurrection because the Spirit of God remained in him after his own spirit was given up. Hello Nick, Jesus is in His body that He put on Himself in the incarnation, which was not of this creation’s cursed dust, for then it would have been a corrupt vessel and would not have been the acceptable sacrifice for Adam’s  once for all atonement, to end the separation from the Holy Presence of His glory. The word ‘is come’ is present tense -and look; “1Jo 4:2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God: 1Jo 4:3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that [spirit] of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world. 2Jo 1:7 For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist. http://www.blueletterbible.org “is come: erchomai {er'-khom-ahee} middle voice of a primary verb (used only in the present and imperfect tenses, the others being supplied by a kindred [middle voice] eleuthomai {el-yoo'-thom-ahee}, or [active] eltho {el'-tho}, which do not otherwise occur) Root word; 1) to come a) of persons 1) to come from one place to another, and used both of persons arriving and of those returning 2) to appear, make one's appearance, come before the public 2) metaph. a) to come into being, arise, come forth, show itself, find place or influence b) be established, become known, to come (fall) into or unto 3) to go, to follow one” He ‘is come‘, forever, as the Lamb of God, the Firstborn of the human race who inherit’s the kingdom that the Father prepared for his human son, the Adam, who is the dead disinherited son, and as the Firstborn; the Kinsman, He had all legal rights to redeem the lost sons and the kingdom that they were given and sold. The price of redemption was His blood, the acceptable sacrifice, shed for our redemption and cleansing. When the equal with YHWH of hosts, the second Person of the “Godhead -the supreme ELOHIM, the ELOHIM of ELOHIM“- makes Himself known to Israel (when they say Blessed is He who comes in the name of YHWH), then they shall look upon Him whom they pierced, and ask, “What are these wounds in thine hands?”; The Adam flesh cannot inherit the kingdom of God,w hich the Adam was given as his inheritance in the beginning, on day six. The Israel, fully human, flesh will inherit the Kingdom of God that He purchased back as Kinsman-Redeemer. Thios earth was given to Adam, and his seed, forever, the One who came, the YHWH of hosts in human flesh, at the incarnation, is the Son of Man who is the Kinsman who ransomed the kingdom that Adam sold. He will reign as Son of Man over this earth, for it can belong to no other by divine decree. Only a Son of Man could redeem the sold possession. For this reason He 'is come' 'in' right now “IN” the flesh: come in the fully human 'Kinsman' flesh forever. His flesh was never perishable for His human flesh of the New creation had no sin nor sin curse, not being made of the dust of the curse. Because He owns the kingdom, and in His Human flesh has the power of an endless life, He will regenerate the kingdom and the heaven that He created and rule this kingdom, on this planet, regenerated, forever, as Son of Man; YHWH of hosts in fully human flesh, risen and glorified, forever. Hi I, Scripture says in Jn 19.37 partially quoting Zech 12.10 “shall look on him whom they have pierced” And Rev 1.7 “..every eye shall see him, even those who pierced him” They see “the one” who has been pierced, Jesus Christ. It does not say the wounds of that piercing are still visible. That is adding to scripture. No, like we will be he is now in his new imperishable body put on over the weak old flesh and blood body.

When Israel, His namesake nation, returns to Him, and He to them, they will ask Him, of the wounds n His hands (in His New Man risen glorified body);
Zec 13:6 “And [one] shall say unto him, What [are] these wounds in thine hands? Then he shall answer, [Those] with which I was wounded [in] the house of my friends.”

Nick,
Do you know what incarnation means?

[NickHassan]

Hi,
Where is “incarnation” in the bible?

Zech 13.4f
“Also it will come about in that day that THE PROPHETS will each be ashamed of his vision when he prophesies, and they will not put on a hairy robe in order to deceive but he will say
'I am not a prophet; I am a tiller of the ground, for a man sold me as a slave in my youth'
And one will say to him
'What are those wounds between your arms?'
Then he will say
'Those are which I was wounded in the house of my friends”

So these lies and deceptions relate to the Son of God, The Truth , in your view?

[Anonymous]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 25 2005,23:59)

Quote (Guest @ July 25 2005,23:15) Quote (Guest @ July 25 2005,22:58) Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 25 2005,21:06) Quote (Guest @ July 25 2005,15:38) Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 25 2005,11:35) Hi I, The heavenly body is not of flesh and blood. Those things are of earth. Flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom. The body of Jesus Christ seen on earth was earthy. It was flesh and blood. It was not like the body of the man from heaven which is as the angels and imperishable. God and divine beings and angels are not of earth and need not eat. They do not need oxygen in heaven to breathe nor do they bleed. The Son of God had divine spiritual nature with no body in heaven and only partook of flesh at birth. Any suggestion he had a natural body appearing on earth prior to this time is just vain speculation. He was the image of God and God is spirit. He was not a person with a heavenly body different to God but the image of God. That body seen on earth was from the dust of Mary and God's Spirit. It was not a different perfect body. It was made in the likeness of sinful flesh. The body of Jesus Christ was not imperishable but was torn and bled, it could die and did die, so that God's power would be shown in his resurrection because the Spirit of God remained in him after his own spirit was given up. Hello Nick, Jesus is in His body that He put on Himself in the incarnation, which was not of this creation’s cursed dust, for then it would have been a corrupt vessel and would not have been the acceptable sacrifice for Adam’s  once for all atonement, to end the separation from the Holy Presence of His glory. The word ‘is come’ is present tense -and look; “1Jo 4:2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God: 1Jo 4:3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that [spirit] of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world. 2Jo 1:7 For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist. http://www.blueletterbible.org “is come: erchomai {er'-khom-ahee} middle voice of a primary verb (used only in the present and imperfect tenses, the others being supplied by a kindred [middle voice] eleuthomai {el-yoo'-thom-ahee}, or [active] eltho {el'-tho}, which do not otherwise occur) Root word; 1) to come a) of persons 1) to come from one place to another, and used both of persons arriving and of those returning 2) to appear, make one's appearance, come before the public 2) metaph. a) to come into being, arise, come forth, show itself, find place or influence b) be established, become known, to come (fall) into or unto 3) to go, to follow one” He ‘is come‘, forever, as the Lamb of God, the Firstborn of the human race who inherit’s the kingdom that the Father prepared for his human son, the Adam, who is the dead disinherited son, and as the Firstborn; the Kinsman, He had all legal rights to redeem the lost sons and the kingdom that they were given and sold. The price of redemption was His blood, the acceptable sacrifice, shed for our redemption and cleansing. When the equal with YHWH of hosts, the second Person of the “Godhead -the supreme ELOHIM, the ELOHIM of ELOHIM“- makes Himself known to Israel (when they say Blessed is He who comes in the name of YHWH), then they shall look upon Him whom they pierced, and ask, “What are these wounds in thine hands?”; The Adam flesh cannot inherit the kingdom of God,w hich the Adam was given as his inheritance in the beginning, on day six. The Israel, fully human, flesh will inherit the Kingdom of God that He purchased back as Kinsman-Redeemer. Thios earth was given to Adam, and his seed, forever, the One who came, the YHWH of hosts in human flesh, at the incarnation, is the Son of Man who is the Kinsman who ransomed the kingdom that Adam sold. He will reign as Son of Man over this earth, for it can belong to no other by divine decree. Only a Son of Man could redeem the sold possession. For this reason He 'is come' 'in' right now “IN” the flesh: come in the fully human 'Kinsman' flesh forever. His flesh was never perishable for His human flesh of the New creation had no sin nor sin curse, not being made of the dust of the curse. Because He owns the kingdom, and in His Human flesh has the power of an endless life, He will regenerate the kingdom and the heaven that He created and rule this kingdom, on this planet, regenerated, forever, as Son of Man; YHWH of hosts in fully human flesh, risen and glorified, forever. Hi , The Son of Man was not a kinsman unless he was of the same flesh type. You same he was of superior perfect flesh but scripture says he came “in the likeness of sinful flesh” He was not God but the Son of God, a vessel to be filled with the fullness of God's deity. The brother to Adam was the same Human flesh type -minus the curse of sin upon it, as it was not of the cursed clay ground. YHWH of hosts incarnate is a brother, a human brother, a fully human brother, and the legal descendent to Adam in His incarnation, being born of the woman. God could have raised up seed to Abraham from rocks, or stones, and they would have been fully human and fully Abraham's seed. Why do you deny that He made a fully human body that is not the seed of Adam, the cursed dead one, and placed that body in the womb of the virgin to become the Son of Man who has the power and the Life to redeem man and his lost kingdom? Why is it so hard for you to believe what the word of God says about His humanity and His 'present tense' 'Is Come' in the flesh human body? It is the cursed Adam flesh and blood that cannot inherit the kingdom, the New Creation is human and flesh, and has blood, forever. He is 'made' a life giving spirit in His human flesh. Adam was 'made' a living soul in His human flesh. Both have human flesh. Adam is a living soul in a human flesh body. Israel is the LIVING Spirit in a New Creation human flesh body. The water was as a solid to YHWH of hosts in His human flesh before the resurrection of it; the walls of the room were as not solid, after His resurrection, when He appeared and ate and drank with them for the forty days. He came in the likeness of sinful flesh, minus the glory indwelling, to Redeem the Adamkind and bring the Adamkind back to the glory, for His PResence to indwell as the temple of God that we were first created to be. Angels ate human food with Abraham, and Lot. The YHWH was One of the three who ate with Abraham and told Him what would happen. And the LORD  [03068]    Y@hovah   appeared    [07200]    ra'ah   unto him in the plains  [0436]    'elown   of Mamre:  [04471]    Mamre'   and he sat  [03427]    yashab   in the tent  [0168]    'ohel   door    [06607]    pethach   in the heat  [02527]    chom   of the day;  [03117]    yowm And he lift up  [05375]    nasa'   his eyes  [05869]    `ayin   and looked,  [07200]    ra'ah   and, lo, three  [07969]    shalowsh   men    [0582]    'enowsh   stood    [05324]    natsab   by him: and when he saw  [07200]    ra'ah   [them], he ran  [07323]    ruwts   to meet  [07125]    qir'ah   them from the tent  [0168]    'ohel   door,    [06607]    pethach   and bowed  [07812]    shachah   himself toward the ground,  [0776]    'erets And I will fetch  [03947]    laqach   a morsel  [06595]    path   of bread,  [03899]    lechem   and comfort ye  [05582]    ca`ad   your hearts;  [03820]    leb   after that  [0310]    'achar   ye shall pass on:  [05674]    `abar   for therefore are ye come  [05674]    `abar   to    [05921]    `al   your servant.  [05650]    `ebed   And they said,  [01696]    dabar   So do,  [06213]    `asah   as thou hast said.  [0559]    'amar And he took  [03947]    laqach   butter,    [02529]    chem'ah   and milk,  [02461]    chalab   and the calf  [01121]    ben   (with Strongs #)    [01241]    baqar   which he had dressed,  [06213]    `asah   and set  [05414]    nathan   [it] before them;  [06440]    paniym   and he stood  [05975]    `amad   by them under the tree,  [06086]    `ets   and they did eat.  [0398]     And they said  [0559]    'amar   unto him, Where  [0346]    'ayeh   [is] Sarah  [08283]    Sarah   thy wife?  [0802]    'ishshah   And he said,  [0559]    'amar   Behold, in the tent.  [0168]    'ohel Gen 18:13 And the LORD said unto Abraham, Wherefore did Sarah laugh, saying, Shall I of a surety bear a child, which am old?   Gen 18:20 And the LORD said, Because the cry of Sodom and Gomorrah is great, and because their sin is very grievous;   Gen 18:21 I will go down now, and see whether they have done altogether according to the cry of it, which is come unto me; and if not, I will know. Gen 18:22 And the men turned their faces from thence, and went toward Sodom: but Abraham stood yet before the LORD.     18:33 And the LORD went his way, as soon as he had left communing with Abraham: and Abraham returned unto his place. YHWH appweared as one of the three, and He ate communed with Abraham. When He went His way, to Sodom and the cities of the plain, the next day, YHWH called down fire and brimstone from YHWH in heaven. Meantime, the two messengers who came to Abraham's at the first, with YHWH as messenger, ate a meal with LOT. The Israeli's in the wilderness ate 'angel's food' from heaven for the forty years in the wildernes. Gen 2:7 And the LORD God formed man [of] the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul. Adam, in flesh, was made a living soul. ISrael, YHWH of hosts, the second Person of the Godhead, was made, in flesh, a quickening Spirit. One is from beneath, the Other is from above; both are in human flesh. And    [2532]    kai   so    [3779]    houto   it is written,  [1125]    grapho   The first  [4413]    protos   man    [444]    anthropos   Adam    [76]    Adam   was made  [1096]    ginomai   (with Strongs #)    [1519]    eis   a living  [2198]    zao   soul;    [5590]    psuche   the last  [2078]    eschatos   Adam    [76]    Adam   [was made]  [1519]    eis   a quickening  [2227]    zoopoieo   spirit.    [4151]    pneuma Hi I, Where does scripture say there are are “persons in the Godhead”? Gen 2.7f “..God formed man of dust from the ground.. ..man BECAME a living being” Of Jesus it says 1Cor 1545 “…”The first man,Adam, became a living soul” the last Adam became a life giving spirit” He was an “adam” man and became a source of the Spirit of Christ, the Spirit of God for us unto eternal life.

Our body was formed from the dust of the ground.

Only when YHWH, the Elohim, breathed into the body formed from the ground did man become a living soul.

The body of the New Man, the Last Adam, the body of the 'Firstborn' human who came to Ransom His brother human, Adam, and Adam's kingdom that was lost by His spotless blameless blood (not being under the curse, He had no defilement in Him, as all Adam kind do, so was spotless), was not breathed into to become a living soul -a living being, if you will, for he WAS AlREADY, the Quickening Spirit from above.
Both Adam and Isarael have flesh bodies, human flesh bodies.

The first man is from beneath, the second man is the YHWH of hosts who was, is , and always shall be, the second Person in the Godhead -not the First Person in the Godhead.

The spiritual body is a body that is one's own body, complete with all members of it as they were written in the Book of Life, without mutations, for each individual Adam who would come forth from the first Adam kind, but regenerated in the image of the New Man, by the elements being transformed at resurrection or at the rapture.

Only those who are born again will be regenerated in their resurrection bodies. Those not born again will not be regenerated in His image.

Only those regenerated humans raised from the dust of this earth in the regenerated bodies (the changed from the corruptible to the incorriptble bodies -which happens in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye) -raised bodies from the same dust that their bodies were formed from in the beginning -or transformed in it's elements, at the rapture, will be glorified, for YHWH will not give His glory to another, only to the 'Israel'.

And the LORD [03068] Y@hovah
God [0430] 'elohiym
formed [03335] yatsar
man [0120] 'adam
[of] the dust [06083] `aphar
of [04480] min
the ground, [0127] 'adamah
and breathed [05301] naphach
into his nostrils [0639] 'aph
the breath [05397] n@shamah
of life; [02416] chay
and man [0120] 'adam
became a living [02416] chay
soul. [05315] nephesh

[NickHassan]

Hi I,
Where is this Godhead with multiple persons in the bible?

[Anonymous]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 26 2005,00:12)

Hi, Where is “incarnation” in the bible? Zech 13.4f “Also it will come about in that day that THE PROPHETS will each be ashamed of his vision when he prophesies, and they will not put on a hairy robe in order to deceive but he will say 'I am not a prophet; I am a tiller of the ground, for a man sold me as a slave in my youth' And one will say to him 'What are those wounds between your arms?' Then he will say 'Those are which I was wounded in the house of my friends” So these lies and deceptions relate to the Son of God, The Truth , in your view?

in flesh =incarnate

http://machaut.uchicago.edu/cgi-bin/WEBSTER.page.sh?PAGE=219

Carnate
<XPAGE=219Car"nate (?), a. [L. carnatus fleshy.] Invested with, or embodied in, flesh.

Only the returned LORD Jesus Christ is the One who will be asked “what are these wounds in thine hands”, and he will reply, “those with which I was wounded in the house of my friends”.

False prophets shall be put to shame, in that day.

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