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In the book of Hebrews, the apostle Paul described such ones as “partakers of the heavenly calling.” And Jesus said that those of this group would sit on thrones in heaven with him. (Hebrews 3:1; Matthew 19:28; Luke 22:28-30; John 14:2, 3) The point is that others reign with Jesus as part of the new heavens.
In verse 7, of 1 Peter 3, Peter mentions that “the heavens and the earth that are now,” both the rulerships and the masses of people, are reserved for “the day of judgment and of destruction of the UNGODLY MEN.”
This confirms that the phrase “the heavens and the earth that are now” refers, not to the material universe, but to humans and their rulerships.
Done.
Quote (david @ Nov. 24 2006,02:58) In the book of Hebrews, the apostle Paul described such ones as “partakers of the heavenly calling.” And Jesus said that those of this group would sit on thrones in heaven with him. (Hebrews 3:1; Matthew 19:28; Luke 22:28-30; John 14:2, 3) The point is that others reign with Jesus as part of the new heavens. In verse 7, of 1 Peter 3, Peter mentions that “the heavens and the earth that are now,” both the rulerships and the masses of people, are reserved for “the day of judgment and of destruction of the UNGODLY MEN.”
This confirms that the phrase “the heavens and the earth that are now” refers, not to the material universe, but to humans and their rulerships.
Done.
So the people of the saints are those who come out of the millennium?Quote (david @ Nov. 24 2006,02:58) In the book of Hebrews, the apostle Paul described such ones as “partakers of the heavenly calling.” And Jesus said that those of this group would sit on thrones in heaven with him. (Hebrews 3:1; Matthew 19:28; Luke 22:28-30; John 14:2, 3) The point is that others reign with Jesus as part of the new heavens. In verse 7, of 1 Peter 3, Peter mentions that “the heavens and the earth that are now,” both the rulerships and the masses of people, are reserved for “the day of judgment and of destruction of the UNGODLY MEN.”
This confirms that the phrase “the heavens and the earth that are now” refers, not to the material universe, but to humans and their rulerships.
Done.
Hi david,
I presume you mean 2 Peter 3” 5For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:
6Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished:
7But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.
8But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.
9The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
10But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
11Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
12Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat? “
And somehow you allegorise this as referring not to what is plain, the heavens and the earth, but men?
Sorry but you may be convinced but I am far from being convinced.
Quote And somehow you allegorise this as referring not to what is plain, the heavens and the earth, but men? Sorry but you may be convinced but I am far from being convinced.
nick, in certain places, as I've pointed out, the earth, refers to people, and not the planet.Secondly, since there are so many scriptures that say the earth will not be made to totter and that the earth will stand to times indefinite, etc, then how are you to believe that the planet earth will be destroyed?
Sometimes, the word earth means people, in the Bible. And that same verse, verse 7 speaks of the destruction of ungodly MEN.
In Isaiah, where it first speaks of new heavens and new earth, twice, I wonder if you think that those were literally a new earth and new heaven? ? ?
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