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Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 09 2013,16:41)
EDI already told you to stop taking Metaphors out of context otherwise you are believing that an animal sacrifice has redeemed you since it says “Lamb of God” I hope you get the point, some things are just stupid an desperate to bring up and being tht you are actually inteligent bringing up those things especially to me makes you seem less inteligent especially since we went over it before.
There are several issues that we should not have to go over again.
1.We know that ALLAH is not a “moongod”
2.we know that YHVH was a name known not before Moses
3.We know Muslims believe tha Jesus Christ came in the flesh
4.We know that both the Bible and the Quran demonstrates instances of violence
5. We know that Jesus is Christ
6. We know that Jesus was a Prophet
7. We know Jesus was raised up to Heavenby the way your “angel of light” interpretation… we can ad that to the list because the verse actually says:
2 Corinthians 11:13-15
New International Version (NIV)
13 For such people are false apostles, deceitful workers, masquerading as apostles of Christ. 14 And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light. 15 It is not surprising, then, if his servants also masquerade as servants of righteousness. Their end will be what their actions deserve.
So since we know that Muhammad was not saying he was an Apostle of Christ the verse could not pertain to him.
so #5 Muhammad could not be lnked with 2 Corinthians 11:13-15 because it is explicitly talking about “Christians”
I'm sure there are many more but these should not be discussed anymore.
We still are debating
1. the meaning and understanding of the term “Son of God” as it applies to various people and entities as it is your assertion that Jesus is somehow called son along with others but the term “son” with him means something different and at thesametime you agree that Jesus was a servant of God
2. Jesus is the Word of God or Jesus is a Word from God
3.Jesus was crucified, died and then was resurrected (saved from corruption) or Jesus was saved by God (without seeing death)
4. God needs a mediator to have a relationship with you or God can draw near directly to a worshiper
5.You must pray or ask for things in the name of Jesus or you can ask without saying in the name of Jesus
6. You do not have to pay for your sins since they have been paid by the blood of Jesus and retain salvation through faith that Christ died, was in the tomb for 3 days and 3 nights and was resurrected(If you do not believe that faith or grace will not save you) or You have to repent from sin, Worship God and retain Salvation by way of Grace and Faith in God
Quote (bodhitharta @ Aug. 10 2013,14:57) ED 2.we know that YHVH was a name known not before Moses
Hi BD,So you agree then that Muhammed didn't know יהוה GOD's Name YÄ-hä-vā?
Ed (Isa 45:17)
Quote (Wakeup @ Aug. 10 2013,20:22) Boditharta. Muslems say mohamad is a prophet; can you show us what he has prophesied?
wakeup.
Hi Wakeup,The false prophet Muhammad is spoken of in the book of Rev.
(see also Galatians 1:8 and 2Corinthians 11:14)God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (bodhitharta @ Aug. 10 2013,14:57) ED I already told you to stop taking Metaphors out of context…
The qur'an in Context:Quote (Wakeup @ Aug. 10 2013,20:22) Boditharta. Muslems say mohamad is a prophet; can you show us what he has prophesied?
wakeup.
Yes, I will but let me also explain tht a prophet doesn't always refer to foretelling some future event a Prophet reveals information from God it could be present, past or Future in-fact the ENTIRE QURAN is the Prophecy if you understand what a Prophesy is. A Prophet will also bring law or relax some other laws so th first thing is understanding what a Prophet is.Muhammad revealed that Jesus was not Crucified or killed this was unknown information that is a REVELATION for it was not known.
Muhammad revealed the state of Christianity today something that wouldhave never been imagined in his day:
From those, too, who call themselves christians, We did take a covenant, but they forgot a good part of the message that was sent them: so we estranged them, with enmity and hatred between the one and the other, to the day of judgment. And soon will Allah show them what it is they have done.
( سورة المائدة , Al-Maeda, Chapter #5, Verse #14)
Today we have well over 35,000 Christian denominations and they have no love for each other.
From Wikipedia: In religion, a prophet is an individual who is claimed to have been contacted by the supernatural or the divine, and to speak for them, serving as an intermediary with humanity, delivering this newfound knowledge from the supernatural entity to other people.[1][2] The message that the prophet conveys is called a prophecy.
Prophet: noun 1. a person who speaks for God or a deity, or by divine inspiration.
You seem to think prophet means foretune teller…lol here is more
http://www.islamreligion.com/articles/379/
(5) The Prophet Muhammad prophesized the conquest of Persia.[7] It was conquered by Umar’s commander, Sa’ad bin Abi Waqqas. In the words of Encyclopedia Britannica:
“…raids into Sasanian territory were quickly taken up by Muhammad’s Caliphs, or deputies, at Medina – Abu Bakr and Umar ibn al-Khattab… an Arab victory at Al-Qadisiyyah in 636/637 was followed by the sack of the Sasanian winter capital at Ctesiphon on the Tigris. The Battle of Nahavand in 642 completed the Sasanids’ vanquishment.”[8]
(6) The Prophet Muhammad prophesized the conquest of Egypt.[9] In the words of Encyclopedia Britannica:
“Amr… undertook the invasion in 639 with a small army of some 4,000 men (later reinforced). With what seems astonishing speed the Byzantine forces were routed and had withdrawn from Egypt by 642… Various explanations have been given for the speed with which the conquest was achieved.”[10]
(7) The Prophet foretold confrontation with the Turks.[11] The first conflict took place in the caliphate of Umar in 22 AH.[12]
(8) The Prophet foretold the first maritime battle to be undertaken by Muslims would be witnessed by Umm Haram, the first woman to participate in a naval expedition. He also prophesied the first assault on Constantinople.[13]
The first maritime battle in Muslim history was in 28 AH in the rule of Mu’awiya. It was witnessed by Umm Haram as foretold by Prophet Muhammad, and Yazid ibn Mu’awiya led the first attack on Constantinople in 52 AH.[14]
(9) The prophecy that Rome, Persia, and Yemen will be conquered was made during the Battle of Confederates in 626 CE,[15] under extreme circumstances, as is described by the Quran:
“[Remember] when they came at you from above you and from below you, and when eyes shifted [in fear], and hearts reached the throats and you assumed about God [various] assumptions. There, the believers were tested and shaken with a severe shaking. And [remember] when the hypocrites and those in whose hearts is disease said, ‘God and His Messenger did not promise us except delusion.’” (Quran 33:10-12)
Fom Wikipedia: Prophecy is a process in which one or more messages that have been communicated to a prophet are then communicated to others.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/prophesy
proph·e·cy
[prof-uh-see] Show IPAnoun, plural proph·e·cies.
1.
the foretelling or prediction of what is to come.2.
something that is declared by a prophet, especially a divinely inspired prediction, instruction, or exhortation.3.
a divinely inspired utterance or revelation: oracular prophecies.4.
the action, function, or faculty of a prophet.But the strongest an most obvious prophesy that you are witnessing today is this:
He it is Who sent His Apostle with the guidance and the true religion that He may make it prevail over all the religions; and Allah is enough for a witness.
( سورة الفتح , Al-Fath, Chapter #48, Verse #28)
Now imagine this statement 1400 years ago coming from 1 person this is so miraculous it's unimaginable because even Christianity was launched out of a very succesful religion but Islam was completely coming from scratch a fresh new seed in harsh conditions and Orthodox Islam “Sunni” is THE LARGEST RELIGION IN THE WORLD it has surpassed the Catholic Chuch and all the other denominations of Christianity only if you combine all 35,000 Christian denominations is Christianity still the #1 religion but since most Christians do not associate with the Catholic Church which is the Largest Christian denomination the Prophecy has already Come in your life time.
The Christians did not do what Jesus commanded and they are not ONE so the Kingdom was taken away from them.
Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 11 2013,06:17) Quote (bodhitharta @ Aug. 10 2013,14:57) ED 2.we know that YHVH was a name known not before Moses
Hi BD,So you agree then that Muhammed didn't know יהוה GOD's Name YÄ-hä-vā?
Ed (Isa 45:17)
I don't know if he had heard the name or not. Jews weren't speaking it and most likely neither were Christians but that wouldn't matter because as I said that name was given to Moses but Not given to Adam, Noah, Isaac, Jacob, Abraham, Lot so God obviously was still the same God before HE gave Moses the name.If God did not give the name to Abraham then he must have specifically used that name for the children of Israel because there isalso no evidence that it was taught to the gentiles in the NT The Quran strictly says:
Who can be better in religion than one who submits his whole self to Allah, does good, and follows the way of Abraham the true in Faith? For Allah did take Abraham for a friend.
( سورة النساء , An-Nisa, Chapter #4, Verse #125)
Quote (bodhitharta @ Aug. 11 2013,06:38) From those, too, who call themselves christians, We did take a covenant, but they forgot a good part of the message that was sent them: so we estranged them, with enmity and hatred between the one and the other, to the day of judgment. And soon will Allah show them what it is they have done. ( سورة المائدة , Al-Maeda, Chapter #5, Verse #14)
WOW that matches islam to a T!GOD's message is estranged them, and they have hatred between one an other.
Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 11 2013,10:21) Quote (bodhitharta @ Aug. 11 2013,06:38) From those, too, who call themselves christians, We did take a covenant, but they forgot a good part of the message that was sent them: so we estranged them, with enmity and hatred between the one and the other, to the day of judgment. And soon will Allah show them what it is they have done. ( سورة المائدة , Al-Maeda, Chapter #5, Verse #14)
WOW that matches islam to a T!GOD's message is estranged them, and they have hatred between one an other.
ED35,000 denominations enmity and hatred between the one and the other
That is Christianity.
98-99% of all Islam is a single Denomination
Quote (bodhitharta @ Aug. 11 2013,10:47) Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 11 2013,10:21) Quote (bodhitharta @ Aug. 11 2013,06:38) From those, too, who call themselves christians, We did take a covenant, but they forgot a good part of the message that was sent them: so we estranged them, with enmity and hatred between the one and the other, to the day of judgment. And soon will Allah show them what it is they have done. ( سورة المائدة , Al-Maeda, Chapter #5, Verse #14)
WOW that matches islam to a T!GOD's message is estranged them, and they have hatred between one an other.
ED35,000 denominations enmity and hatred between the one and the other
That is Christianity.
98-99% of all Islam is a single Denomination
Hi BD,In case you haven't checked “Christians” are taught not to hate, even our enemies;
that is what distinguishes “Christians” from the rest of the world. Muslims are taught to hate.Ed
What is the metaphor that Muhammed was trying to convey when he said that the sun sets in a pool of hot water?
Also, I live at the end of the world. The most distant point from Jerusalem, 12 hours ahead of GMT, and even a long way from the USA. And I have never seen the sun set in a pool of water. In fact the sun doesn't set at all. The Earth goes round the sun, at least in New Zealand it does. Haven't been to the Middle East so I cannot be sure what happens there.
Quote (t8 @ Aug. 11 2013,21:48) What is the metaphor that Muhammed was trying to convey when he said that the sun sets in a pool of hot water? Also, I live at the end of the world. The most distant point from Jerusalem, 12 hours ahead of GMT, and even a long way from the USA. And I have never seen the sun set in a pool of water. In fact the sun doesn't set at all. The Earth goes round the sun, at least in New Zealand it does. Haven't been to the Middle East so I cannot be sure what happens there.
*Christians and Islam*.There is one God,and he has given *all mankind* one way, of how to worship him,through his Son.
The God of Abraham,Isaac ,and Jacob has given the jews
a way, of how to worship Him,through the prophets.Islam is an outsider coming, and claiming that their way of worshipping is the only right way.
By going straight to God,and not through his Son.**Claiming** also that allah is the God of Abraham,Isaac,and Jacob,which is JEHOVAH.
*Allah* and *Jehovah* are not the same God;because
allah has his own book;and Jehovah has his own book.One God,does not have two contradicting books.
Islams main prophet is Mohamad,and the qur'an is their book; and christians main
focus is Jesus,and the Holy bible is their book.Allah has his own system; and Jehovah has his own system,therefore we should discus them as two different religions. We can not compare the two teachings.
One is an apple,and the other one is a lemon.Islam came last,and has hijacked God,Jesus,Abraham,Isaac,Jacob; the jews forefathers;
for a cover;*the sheeps clothing*,to deceive a certain people.One is not to see Jehovah and allah the same God.
Hindus have their own book, and own god,Budhists have their own book, and own god.
Muslems have their own book,and own god.wakeup.
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