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Quote (Constitutionalist @ Oct. 09 2009,14:57) Quote (katjo @ Oct. 08 2009,19:08) my birthday may be the same as Hitlers, who knows! It amazes me how many here dont go to no bible studys, church, but have figured out the bible more than the scholars, ordained preachers who have went to school for years! Huh? Even if the 25th isnt His birthday, (and I know it is not)He knows what the celebration is for. And He knows its all about thanks, love and giving. My church even fills wrapped shoe boxes for little boys and girls who are in need, and we ship them all over the place. WE buy for a boy or a girl and pick the age, and stuff them with small things. Socks, gloves, kids Christian story books, pencils, tooth brushes, combs,shoes, what ever we think could help them out. Now what sin could there be in that? Quote It amazes me how many here dont go to no bible studys, church, but have figured out the bible more than the scholars, ordained preachers who have went to school for years! Huh? How does a Scholar become a Scholar?
How does an Ordained Preacher become Ordained?
Education? How does one become Educated?
Do you think your knowledge only comes through a Bible study class?
Does a Certificate make a person an Elected man of God?
Does a Certificate make a Teacher an Elected man of God?
Does a Certificate make a Preacher an Elected man of God?
Does a Certificate make a Healer an Elected man of God?
Or does God make an Elected man of God?
If God makes an Elected man of God?
Do you not think he will qualify him and place in him the knowledge he needs to be in the world?
Did the Apostles go to college? And receive a certificate of acheivement?
Quote Even if the 25th isnt His birthday, (and I know it is not)He knows what the celebration is for. And He knows its all about thanks, love and giving. That is a nice heart warming EXCUSE.
Quote My church even fills wrapped shoe boxes for little boys and girls who are in need, and we ship them all over the place. WE buy for a boy or a girl and pick the age, and stuff them with small things. Socks, gloves, kids Christian story books, pencils, tooth brushes, combs,shoes, what ever we think could help them out. Now what sin could there be in that? That is very nice of your church to do that, and no there is no sin in giving, but do you think all who belong to that church and partake in that program are saved?
Quote Then shall ye begin to say, We have eaten and drunk in thy presence, and thou hast taught in our streets. But he shall say, I tell you, I know you not whence ye are; depart from me, all [ye] workers of iniquity. Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them. Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
Good Post and Thank youAnyone who comes to the church and wants to take a box to fill…can! whats it matter if they have got saved yet, they are feeling something to move them to want to do it. Its out of the kindness of there heart. Most the ones i know that participate are saved. And NO thats not works of iniquity. I dont know why you even quotted that scripture. And yea, Jesus also says; There hearts are far from me. And you can not tell me you know more about the word than scholars do. Ever read a commentary bible? You'd be surprized.
George, I would really like you to read what i posted in “Message of Jehovah was Jehovah” on page 53 about the trinity and what a Commentary bible says about John 1;1 and let me know what you think.
Quote (katjo @ Oct. 09 2009,05:12) Anyone who comes to the church and wants to take a box to fill…can! whats it matter if they have got saved yet, they are feeling something to move them to want to do it. Its out of the kindness of there heart. Most the ones i know that participate are saved. And NO thats not works of iniquity. I dont know why you even quotted that scripture. And yea, Jesus also says; There hearts are far from me. And you can not tell me you know more about the word than scholars do. Ever read a commentary bible? You'd be surprized. Quote Then shall ye begin to say, We have eaten and drunk in thy presence, and thou hast taught in our streets. But he shall say, I tell you, I know you not whence ye are; depart from me, all [ye] workers of iniquity. Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them. Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
The message about iniquity and why I posted it, was because those that are mentioned, truly believed in God, did you notice, they prophesised, they even casts out devils, and they even done wonderful works like your church does, so what was the problem? Why did Jesus refuse them?
Quote And you can not tell me you know more about the word than scholars do. Ever read a commentary bible? You'd be surprized. Which scholar should I believe? A trinitarian one? Non-Trinitarian? Jewish? Universalist? Which one of these masters of education should I put my faith in?
Quote (katjo @ Oct. 10 2009,00:12) Anyone who comes to the church and wants to take a box to fill…can! whats it matter if they have got saved yet, they are feeling something to move them to want to do it. Its out of the kindness of there heart. Most the ones i know that participate are saved. And NO thats not works of iniquity. I dont know why you even quotted that scripture. And yea, Jesus also says; There hearts are far from me. And you can not tell me you know more about the word than scholars do. Ever read a commentary bible? You'd be surprized.
I put my trust in men once in the Catholic Church, never again.
I do not need a scholar to tell me what is right or wrong. I have the Holy Spirit in my heart, and I don't need any men to tell me what I should or should not do. I am sorry that you don't seem to understand what the trinity doctrine is all about. But one day you and others will, that I can say for sure.
Why does Scripture say that the whole world is deceived.
The Catholic Church did a good job of it. My Husband and I used to believe that the Catholic Church is the only true Church in the world. No more.
God has opened our minds. I will read what you said in the Message about Jehovah, and I will get back with you there.
IreneJust because Catholics believe in the trinity, and we do too doesnt mean we follow everything else they believe. I done agree with Cathloics at all. And on the jehovah post what i quotted from John 1;1 to you for showing God was the Word, you acted like thats not what I believed. I didnt understand that. The church dont tell me whats right and wrong either, I go to worship with my church family!
Quote (katjo @ Oct. 10 2009,03:51) Just because Catholics believe in the trinity, and we do too doesnt mean we follow everything else they believe. I done agree with Cathloics at all. And on the jehovah post what i quotted from John 1;1 to you for showing God was the Word, you acted like thats not what I believed. I didnt understand that. The church dont tell me whats right and wrong either, I go to worship with my church family!
The Trinty Doctrine is the Trinity Doctrine, whether Catholic or Baptist or any other Church that preaches that. It is still a wrong doctrine and those that believe in it,
Math. 15:9 In vain do they worship Me, teching the doctgrine the commanentment of men.a
Jesus Himself said that My Father is greater then I. and in
1Corinth. 11:3 The Head of evey man is Christ, the Head iof the Woman is Man, and the Head of Christ is God.
That is not what the trinity doctrine says .
I have given you also other Scriptures and it is up to you, not me. As far as the Word is concerned, that Word was God and that Word was with God and it became flesh. But what does that have to do with the trinity. The Trinity is 3in1 all equal. And by Jesus own word it is not so.
Peace and Love Irene
IreneAll Great Scholars, Ordained Preachers, Church's must be wrong than Huh? I dont know a church that doesnt believe in the trinity.
Quote (katjo @ Oct. 10 2009,13:55) All Great Scholars, Ordained Preachers, Church's must be wrong than Huh? I dont know a church that doesnt believe in the trinity.
But I do. First of all, the Church that Jesus Christ is the Head of, and then are those that keep the Sabbath. Where two or three are gathered in my Name, there I am in the midst of You. A Building is not the Church. Also I have Proven to myself that the trinity doctrine is not of God. To me it those not matter how many men say it is not an abomination to God, and you worship in vain if you keep that man made doctrine. Like I said to you before, it is up to you what you do. I am only responmsible for myself, and not you. Like I said in my Song to Praise God Tread, I wish with all my Heart, that we could be united in Christ. My Hope is that we will do so in the near future.
Good luck to you and yours, IreneSounds to me like your trying to teach the commandments of man.You quotted above(that word was God and that word was with God and it became flesh) You left out and the word was God. (Commentary John1;1 IN THE BEGINNING when time began, WAS THE WORD (unique name for Christ (GR logos) AND THE WORD WAS WITH GOD (the words translated with God (Gr pros ton theon)could be rendered “face to face with God” AND THE WORD WAS GOD (lest the reader assume that the Word as a distinct person is less than God, John concludes the verse with an emphatic statement that the Word was completey God)To lend the greatest possible emphasis to the importance of this statement, it literally reads ” and God was the Word” The subject and predicate are reversed to underline the deity of the Word. Colossians 1:15 who is the image of the invisable God. The image expresses Christ deity in Relation to the Father; it is the very stamp of God as He was befor the incarnation. (jn 17:5) The word is not form(Phil 2:6) but image. THis is more than a resemblance, more than a representation. It is a manifestation, a revalation. The word of John 1'1 is a divine person, not a philosophical abstraction.In the incarnation, the invisable God became visible in Christ; deity was clothed with humanity.(mt 17:2) deity under some human limitations.. Christ is God; visible,audible,approachable,knowable, and avaliable. All that God is , Christ is. THE FIRST BORN OF EVERY CREATURE this expresses Christ deity and soverighty in realtion to creation. Christ was the first-born, not the first created. First born signifies priority in time. First this speaks of His preexistence, what He was from eternity. He was before all creation. He is not a creature, but the creator. Secondly, this speaks of the supremacy of His position. He is the self-existent, acknowledged head of creation. Thirdly, this also speaks of being recognized as the Messiah. So we have here declared the eternity, the sovereignty,and the lordship of Christ. Will stop and add a little more later.
Quote (katjo @ Oct. 09 2009,18:55) All Great Scholars, Ordained Preachers, Church's must be wrong than Huh? I dont know a church that doesnt believe in the trinity.
Which one's are right?Quote (Constitutionalist @ Oct. 10 2009,15:08) Quote (katjo @ Oct. 09 2009,18:55) All Great Scholars, Ordained Preachers, Church's must be wrong than Huh? I dont know a church that doesnt believe in the trinity.
Which one's are right?
All of them, I would guess.
Ireneyea! all of them, they are believeing and teching the same thing!
Quote (katjo @ Oct. 11 2009,03:03) yea! all of them, they are believeing and teching the same thing!
Even so, my Question to you then is, what are you going to do with all those Scriptures that I have shown you were I can prove, that the trinity is wrong and a man made doctrine.
I looked Tertullian up in our Encyclopedia Britannica and there too it says that the trinity is his best achievement to Christianity.
And a Scripture tells you not to go with men, rather to come out of Her my People. Are we not to do so? It is so hard for me, because we have Children and Grandchildren that go to a Baptist Church and belief too in the trinity. I cannot even tell them what to do. It is up to the person Himself or Herself what they want to believe, it is not my responsibility.
Peace and Love IreneQuote (georg @ Oct. 10 2009,13:08) Quote (katjo @ Oct. 11 2009,03:03) yea! all of them, they are believeing and teching the same thing!
Even so, my Question to you then is, what are you going to do with all those Scriptures that I have shown you were I can prove, that the trinity is wrong and a man made doctrine.
I looked Tertullian up in our Encyclopedia Britannica and there too i says that the trinity is his best achievement to Christianity.
And a Scripture tells you not to go with men, rather to come out of Her my People. Are we not to do so? It is so hard for me, because we have Children and Grandchildren that go to a Baptist Church and belief too in the trinity. I cannot even tell them what to do. It is up to the person Himself or Herself what they want to believe, it is not my responsibility.
Peace and Love Irene
Know the truth. (Isa 5:20,21, Jer 7:8-10, Jn 3:19-21, Jn 8:43-47, 2Ti 2:15, Rev 22:14,15).Do not look to human teachings. (Ps 118:8, Mt 15:3,8,9, Ac 5:29, 1Co 3:19, Col 2:8, 2Th 2:8-12, 2Pe 3:15-17).
Do not look to the majority view. (Mt 7:13,14, 2Ti 4:3,4).
Do not look to family teachings. (Mt 10:34-37).
Do not look to your own understanding. (Pr 3:5, Pr 14:12).
Many people corrupt the Bible (false doctrines, apostate translations). (2Co 2:17, 2Pe 3:16) (compare 2Ti 2:15).
Demons work to establish and empower false religions. (Lev 17:7, Dt 32:17, Ps 106:36,37, 1Co 10:20,21, Rev 9:20).
Demons work to establish and empower apostate Christianity. (1Ti 4:1, Rev 18:1-4).
Demonic forces are recognized by their doctrines. (Isa 8:20, Rev 22:18,19).
Demonic forces are recognized by their fruit. (Lk 6:43-45, Gal 5:22-24).
Demonic forces are recognized by their disregard for God's law. (Jn 14:15,21,23, 2Th 2:8-12, Rev 12:17).
They elevate the traditions of men above the commandments of God. (Mk 7:5-9).
They perpetuate falsehood. (Mt 23:15).
They are spiritually blind and cannot perceive the truth. (Mt 23:16,17).
They do not realize they are blind. (Lk 18:11, Jn 9:39,40 compare Rev 3:17).
They major on minor issues. (Mt 23:23,24 compare Lk 11:42).
The Truth is accepted by God's children (Jn 8:47, Jn 10:26,27, 1Jn 4:6).
Quote (Constitutionalist @ Oct. 11 2009,11:21) Quote (georg @ Oct. 10 2009,13:08) Quote (katjo @ Oct. 11 2009,03:03) yea! all of them, they are believeing and teching the same thing!
Even so, my Question to you then is, what are you going to do with all those Scriptures that I have shown you were I can prove, that the trinity is wrong and a man made doctrine.
I looked Tertullian up in our Encyclopedia Britannica and there too i says that the trinity is his best achievement to Christianity.
And a Scripture tells you not to go with men, rather to come out of Her my People. Are we not to do so? It is so hard for me, because we have Children and Grandchildren that go to a Baptist Church and belief too in the trinity. I cannot even tell them what to do. It is up to the person Himself or Herself what they want to believe, it is not my responsibility.
Peace and Love Irene
Know the truth. (Isa 5:20,21, Jer 7:8-10, Jn 3:19-21, Jn 8:43-47, 2Ti 2:15, Rev 22:14,15).Do not look to human teachings. (Ps 118:8, Mt 15:3,8,9, Ac 5:29, 1Co 3:19, Col 2:8, 2Th 2:8-12, 2Pe 3:15-17).
Do not look to the majority view. (Mt 7:13,14, 2Ti 4:3,4).
Do not look to family teachings. (Mt 10:34-37).
Do not look to your own understanding. (Pr 3:5, Pr 14:12).
Many people corrupt the Bible (false doctrines, apostate translations). (2Co 2:17, 2Pe 3:16) (compare 2Ti 2:15).
Demons work to establish and empower false religions. (Lev 17:7, Dt 32:17, Ps 106:36,37, 1Co 10:20,21, Rev 9:20).
Demons work to establish and empower apostate Christianity. (1Ti 4:1, Rev 18:1-4).
Demonic forces are recognized by their doctrines. (Isa 8:20, Rev 22:18,19).
Demonic forces are recognized by their fruit. (Lk 6:43-45, Gal 5:22-24).
Demonic forces are recognized by their disregard for God's law. (Jn 14:15,21,23, 2Th 2:8-12, Rev 12:17).
They elevate the traditions of men above the commandments of God. (Mk 7:5-9).
They perpetuate falsehood. (Mt 23:15).
They are spiritually blind and cannot perceive the truth. (Mt 23:16,17).
They do not realize they are blind. (Lk 18:11, Jn 9:39,40 compare Rev 3:17).
They major on minor issues. (Mt 23:23,24 compare Lk 11:42).
The Truth is accepted by God's children (Jn 8:47, Jn 10:26,27, 1Jn 4:6).
You know it really does not matter to those that belief in the trinity doctrine. If God does not open ones mind, we can talk to them untill we are blue in the face. That I have found out with trying to teach our Children. God has blinded their minds and w are not going to open their minds. That is and has been Gods job, not our. Of course that makes me sad, because I love our children and Grandchildren with all my Heart. But Christ said if w love our Children or Family more then Christ we are not worthy of Him.
With all my Love, IreneBeing born on Dec 25 or not, is quite important because many pagan messiahs were supposedly born on that day, making Christ just the latest version.
I think it has more to do with Constantine's meddling. He took biblical events and slapped them on pagan traditions. That is why we have Christmas, Easter, etc. The only good thing about all this is that we get a break at those times. But the outcome is that non-believers can now make the argument that Christianity is merely the latest version of paganism. Of course there is some truth to that, if we say that these traditions are the truth.
A lot of these traditions are really just a Christian outward appearance slapped on a pagan heart. Not all can see that though.
Quote (katjo @ Oct. 10 2009,13:55) All Great Scholars, Ordained Preachers, Church's must be wrong than Huh? I dont know a church that doesnt believe in the trinity.
Have you not read about the great falling away. It must precede the coming of the anti-christ and the return of Jesus Christ.Paul also warned that great deception would happen after he departed.
The rest is history.
Quote (georg @ Oct. 07 2009,00:54) We have had no Tree or any kind of Decoeration since 1984. Our Family did not like it, but if we don't love Christ more then Mother, Father or Sister of Brother we are not worthy of Christ. Our Son's were already married at that time, but our Daughter was 1e3 years old and it did hurt Her some
I bet your daughter celebrates Christmas with a tree now, doesn't she? Just a guess…..
Love,
Mandy
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