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When did the devil fall?
My position, after The seventh day.
what do you think?all we know for sure is that he fell…
SF,
Yes, it most certainly was 'after the seventh day'. Is that what you actually meant to ask?
Surely the question is 'How long was it after after man was created before Satan sinned and then when, after that, did he 'fall' from Heaven'
Satan was not dismissed from heaven immediately after he conned Adam into sinning. And my feeling is that it was several 'years' after man was created.
My reason: Was Jesus 'tempted' on the day he was 'born'. How long after he was born was it before he was tempted.
Would it seem reasonable to give Jesus the same time as Adam…to equalise Fractal Scriptures?
Satan set a challenge to God that man could live without Him.
If God were to dismiss Satan forthwith from before Him, Satan and all the other Sons of God would take it that God was 'scared', couldn't stand being challenged, was only ruling because He was in charge…wasn't fit to be in charge.
God, therefore, in His wisdom, allowed His accuser liberty to openly challenge Him.
This freedom could not be realised unless Satan was still in place.
Yes, Satan 'fell' from grace immediately that sin entered him, that he thought to seek worship from man, and did not restrain from the evil thought. That,in context, was not a fall from Heaven, just fall from grace.
The story of Job, allegorical or not, shows Satan, as a Son of God, entering the council chamber along with the other privileged (Not all angels are councillers) angels. God has not yet dismissed him but is seen to …tease him… So Satan accusses God of 'putting a fence' around Job and that is the only reason Job worships God….you know the rest…
Right up until Jesus comes to earth as man, Satan is still in Heaven…then Jesus, out of nowhere, suddenly says, 'I saw Satan fall like lightening down to earth'.
This does not contradict Satan being 'God of the earth' and being able to offer his kingdom to Jesus during the Temptation. One doesn't need to be 'on earth' to rule over earth, in fact, one cannot be 'on earth' and rule 'over earth'.
Such an arrangement is:
Doomed.
Boomed.
Can't be 'in it'
to 'win it';
Must be 'Above it'
to 'Cover it'.The other sinful angels were allowed for a time to still interact directly with man, especially women, from whench came the Nephilims.
But because these were, numscull giants with awesome/aweful strength, God banned all angels from such direct access except under His direct order (Basically, destructive, unconstructive, out of order, abusive, etc, use of angelic powers did not constitute 'fair play' and I guess, even Satan would have had to agree!)
Therefore, these angels were immediately marked for death, death in the Spirit and held captive in …whereever…until the judgement.
Fear of ultimate death in the spirit (remember, death in the flesh is not complete death, the angels had already 'died', fleshly, in the flood) is what lead to the comments by 'Legion' on encountering Jesus. Legion thought that Jesus would destroy them then and there and begged Jesus to let them live another day (Although I'm not sure what 'another day' means to someone on death row whose day is as a microsecond And also as a Thousand years)
SF
If you believe after the seventh day, you must also believe that everything was created in that week.
Let me ask you this,Gen 1:2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep…
Do you believe that the earth looking like that would have given the angels cause to shout for joy?
Job 38:4 ¶ Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding.
Job 38:7 When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?
Another question; would God have created the earth that way, knowing he was about to put man on it?
Georg
Arnold,
“Why do you not understand my mode of speech!” -Is there anyone who understands me yet?
I do NOT believe in any way shape or form that the world was created in 7 (rotations of the earth on it's axis) days … Goodness Gracious George … I was just going along with SF's timeline…
In any case, your questions are valueless: You start out when it is formless – and then jump straight to (proposed) Man existing on it, missing out all the creation 'days'. The questions are INCONGRUOUS.
But just to answer you – No, he would not!
BTW, the post is about When did Satan Fall.
This is to no one in particular and to everyone:
Please – Can the Person who initiates a Post, please try to control what is Posted in it.
If you ask another poster to refrain from posting non-post discussion and they do not refrain then please contact a Moderator.
It is easy enough to start a thread (Thanks t8) for any topic you wish to discuss – even one that is already in full flow.
hopefully this will keep each post more direct – sharper – to the point, as it where —>Any FALL referred in the bible is a reference to MAN IMO!!
There is NO FALL from God's righteous habitation only a fall from an earthly HIGH position.
To ENTER into God's Righteous kingdom, dwelling in His presence a creature must EXIST IN PERFECTION, thus BE INCAPABLE OF SIN.
Angels, or any other creature created by YHWH DO NOT fall from His Kingdom, rather they are PERFECTED by YHWH and EARN an ETERNAL POSITION within that Kingdom, so to believe otherwise IMO is a pure INSULT to YHWH.
God's Kingdom was NOT GOOD enough for angels, why would we think that it would be good enough for us?
YHWH promises NO more SIN in His Kingdom, can we believe this if angels are able to sin there?
Jesus said that in the resurrection man will be made like the angels, NO LONGER ABLE TO DIE ANYMORE. Death is because of sin, those no longer able to die anymore are no longer able to die anymore because they are no longer able to sin anymore, they have been perfected.
The doctrine of fallen angels I find very disturbing.
When people speak of “Satan falling”, I would be interested to hear them clarify on whether or not they believe creatures CAN SIN in God's Righteous Kingdom!!
WHAT HEAVEN are you people referring to that this “Satan” of yours has fallen from?
Luke 10:10 But whatever city you enter, and they do not receive you, go out into its streets and say, 11 'The very dust of your city which clings to us we wipe off against you. Nevertheless know this, that the kingdom of God has come near you.' 12 But I say to you that it will be more tolerable in that Day for Sodom than for that city. 13 “Woe to you, Chorazin! Woe to you, Bethsaida! For if the mighty works which were done in you had been done in Tyre and Sidon, they would have repented long ago, sitting in sackcloth and ashes. 14 But it will be more tolerable for Tyre and Sidon at the judgment than for you. 15 And you, Capernaum, who are exalted to heaven, will be brought down to Hades. 16 He who hears you hears Me, he who rejects you rejects Me, and he who rejects Me rejects Him who sent Me.” 17 Then the seventy returned with joy, saying, “Lord, even the demons are subject to us in Your name.” 18 And He said to them, “I saw Satan fall like lightning from heaven. 19 Behold, I give you the authority to trample on serpents and scorpions, and over all the power of the enemy, and nothing shall by any means hurt you.
The city Capernaum was exalted to heaven, however because of it’s sinful ways and lack of repentance it would be brought low. The seventy were full of joy as they were given power to heal people from demons/evil spirits. The Greek word translated above as demons, is daimonion, which to the Greeks it represented spiritual creatures they referred to as gods or demigods, of which were believed could possess people and inflict them with diseases. YHVH makes it clear that such demons do not exist, they cannot walk or talk, cause harm or any good, for He is the ONLY Spirit that can bring darkness, calamity and cursing. Deuteronomy 28 tells us that YHVH would inflict people and their descendants with all sorts of diseases including diseases of the mind that cause people to act crazy. If a person was sick or mad they were suffering from an evil spirit created by YHVH. The idea of demons being fallen angels is clearly an idea stolen from the widespread and very popular beliefs of the demons the pagans believed in.
We see that “to fall” in scripture represents the loss of power. If something or someone falls like lightening that would of course then represent a rather quick loss of power. Jesus gave the seventy authority to trample serpents and scorpions. The bible shows that such are referred to as being MEN, not fallen angels.
Ezekiel 2:3 And he said unto me, Son of man, I send thee to the children of Israel, to a rebellious nation that hath rebelled against me: they and their fathers have transgressed against me, even unto this very day. 4 For they are impudent children and stiffhearted . I do send thee unto them; and thou shalt say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD. 5 And they, whether they will hear , or whether they will forbear , (for they are a rebellious house,) yet shall know that there hath been a prophet among them. 6 And thou, son of man, be not afraid of them, neither be afraid of their words, though briers and thorns be with thee, and thou dost dwell among scorpions: be not afraid of their words, nor be dismayed at their looks, though they be a rebellious house.
Luke 20:31 Therefore you are witnesses against yourselves that you are sons of those who murdered the prophets. 32 Fill up, then, the measure of your fathers' guilt. 33 Serpents, brood of vipers! How can you escape the condemnation of hell? 34 Therefore, indeed, I send you prophets, wise men, and scribes: some of them you will kill and crucify, and some of them you will scourge in your synagogues and persecute from city to city, 35 that on you may come all the righteous blood shed on the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel to the blood of Zechariah, son of Berechiah, whom you murdered between the temple and the altar. 36 Assuredly, I say to you, all these things will come upon this generation.
The enemies Jesus calls serpents, vipers and scorpions are MEN. Scripture shows that it is MAN that is said to fall from heaven, or rather his High Position.
YHWH exalts individuals, whole groups of people, and their cities. As He exalts them He also when they grow in pride and sin He casts them down.
Isaiah 2:11 The lofty looks of man shall be humbled, The haughtiness of men shall be bowed down, And the Lord alone shall be exalted in that day. 12 For the day of the Lord of hosts Shall come upon everything proud and lofty, Upon everything lifted up– And it shall be brought low— 13 Upon all the cedars of Lebanon that are high and lifted up, And upon all the oaks of Bashan; 14 Upon all the high mountains, And upon all the hills that are lifted up; 15 Upon every high tower, And upon every fortified wall; 16 Upon all the ships of Tarshish, And upon all the beautiful sloops. 17 The loftiness of man shall be bowed down, And the haughtiness of men shall be brought low; The Lord alone will be exalted in that day, 18 But the idols He shall utterly abolish.
Psalm 75:6 For exaltation comes neither from the east Nor from the west nor from the south. 7 But God is the Judge: He puts down one, And exalts another.
Ps 5:10 Pronounce them guilty, O God! Let them fall by their own counsels; Cast them out in the multitude of their transgressions, For they have rebelled against You.
Isaiah 10:33 Behold, the Lord, The Lord of hosts, Will lop off the bough with terror; Those of high stature will be hewn down, And the haughty will be humbled. 34 He will cut down the thickets of the forest with iron, And Lebanon will fall by the Mighty One.
Jer 6:15 Were they ashamed when they had committed abomination? No! They were not at all ashamed; Nor did they know how to blush. Therefore they shall fall among those who fall; At the time I punish them, They shall be cast down,” says the Lord.
Jer 50:32 The most proud shall stumble and fall, And no one will raise him up; I will kindle a fire in his cities, And it will devour all around him.”
Ps 36:12 there the workers of iniquity have fallen; They have been cast down and are not able to rise.
Psalms 89:44 You have made his glory cease, And cast his throne down to the ground.
La 2:1 How the Lord has covered the daughter of Zion With a cloud in His anger! He cast down from heaven to the earth The beauty of Israel, And did not remember His footstool In the day of His anger.
Eze 31:16 I made the nations shake at the sound of its fall, when I cast it down to hell together with those who descend into the Pit; and all the trees of Eden, the choice and best of Lebanon, all that drink water, were comforted in the depths of the earth.
Eze 32:18 “Son of man, wail over the multitude of Egypt, And cast them down to the depths of the earth, Her and the daughters of the famous nations, With those who go down to the Pit:
Men and their armies and governments are shown clearly to be considered as in heaven and we are told that they can be cast down from that high position.
Need I must add that the Hebrew SAW-TAWN translated as Satan meaning adversary is DIRECTLY used to refer to MAN?
Revelation 12:7 And war broke out in heaven: Michael and his angels fought with the dragon; and the dragon and his angels fought, 8 but they did not prevail, nor was a place found for them in heaven any longer. 9 So the great dragon was cast out, that serpent of old, called the Devil and Satan, who deceives the whole world; he was cast to the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
One man who deceives is rightfully likened to being a serpent, and as well, many deceitful men together wi
th their governments and armies are rightfully likened to being a beast or dragon.A SERPENT or BEAST acts upon it’s NATURE, it is a creature lacking the characteristics and thus the Spirit of YHWH. Peter was SATAN for having in mind NOT the things of God, but rather the things of man, and the things of man are products of his imagination which is equivalent to ignorance, foolishness and of course the creation of all sorts of DECEIT!!
The city of Capernaum was said to be exalted to heaven, the ‘heaven’ represents a High Position, it does not represent God’s heavenly abode where ONLY the righteous do dwell. Earth is to be as it IS in heaven, with no more sin and with no more war.
Angels do not sin in God’s heavenly abode and neither do they make war. The Dragon, of which represents kings and their kingdoms from Revelation is like Capernaum a city that falls from it’s High position of power and authority.
The great dragon is of the same mind as the serpent of old, which is the mind of man that follows his own imagination and after his own desires instead of the Holy Spirit.The dragon and the beast are a force of men that all follow the will of man, and not the will of YHWH.
Revelation 20:2 He laid hold of the dragon, that serpent of old, who is the Devil and Satan, and bound him for a thousand years;
What is bound for a thousand years? ……Men’s ways are bound, men can no longer follow after their own heart and desires, only those who follow Christ and the will of YHWH will exist. But when the thousand years are over and the second resurrection comes, the adversary will be loosened again because those of the second resurrection have yet to know the way of YHWH they are not raised immortal but in their previous state, having confidence in their flesh.
Hi Jodi-Lee,
How, among all that you posted, did you manage to skip this:
Luke 10:18 “I saw Satan fall like a lightning-flash out of Heaven,”?You write it, then ignore it.
hi all
what we know is that the days of creation mention as an day is not a day of 24 hours.
that Adam was created in the end of the six days including Eve,
we know that Satan corrupt himself in is heart before that he enticed Eve .
we know that men fall did not came after the 7 th day,
so the question is ;did he fall in the six or the 7 th day ?
for some like JW believe it was in the 6th day because they believe that all days of creation are of 1000 years.
some other believe every day of creation are of different time,and so the expression of “evening and morning” are just expressions of beginning and end of the works of God.
and others still wander.
Pierre
Quote (JustAskin @ June 01 2010,04:31) Hi Jodi-Lee, How, among all that you posted, did you manage to skip this:
Luke 10:18 “I saw Satan fall like a lightning-flash out of Heaven,”?You write it, then ignore it.
Really?
I don't believe I am the one who is ignoring scripture….
Jesus saw an adversary fall like lightening and we were just told about a CITY falling from heaven!
Man is referred DIRECTLY as Satan, and God's LOYAL messengers are also.Nowhere in scripture does the Hebrew word for adversary represent a proper name of one individual. Man is referred to DIRECTLY as falling from heaven, and as well MAN is called a serpent and a beast.
Show me ONE scripture where Satan is DIRECTLY referred to as being a fallen angel? The words “fallen angel” don't even exist in the bible!!
JustAskin, would you mind defining the “heaven” of which you believe this Satan of yours fell from?
Brother T,
This does not answer the question. When did Satan FALL.
The question is actually “Open”. The asker doesn't frame the question adequately.
After the 70 returned in triumph to Jesus – Jesus exclaimed “I saw Satan fall from Heaven like a lighten strike”…
Satan 'fell' from grace when sin was found in Him before he caused Adam to sin.
But which “Fall” is the asker asking: SF… please tell us what it is you want to know?
Hi,
Jesus saw in vision what is shown in Rev 12.
His coming began the process of eliminating sin from heaven and earth.Hi ALL,
Very quickly im late to work, i usually respond late at night.
Note: i have breifly read most of your responses.Most of you are off topic.
Let me be clear.
The devil fell period. He is evil. Adam knew God, and also fell. Lets not ignore scripture.
Jodi you ignore scriputre alot, if anything you dont make any sense.You are making knife comments, Ask terrarica what that means.
you make points by ignoring scripture.
He fell. because he simply wanted to be more than God.
Here is the problem
Some people like George believes that Satan fell before Adam was created,
Few like myself believe he fell after Adam was created. after the seventh day that God rested.WHEN GENESIS SAYS VOID AND DARKNESS IT MEANS INCOMPLETE, LOOK UP THE HEBREW DONT BE IGNORANT.
When you see a house that is not finish, is it destroyed? is it evil? no of coures not, its simply not finished.but on day 3 God made the FOUNDATIONS of the earth. How can it be that if the earth was void and dark, that the Spirit of God can move on such a thing. If you believe that the earth was destroyed or whatnot, than thats not according to scripture or whatever. the devil did not fall before the seventh day.
I think that people are getting confused abuot what im talkiing about.
Im asking when did the Devil orginaly fall form his orginal position.
He was once a good cheribum who followed Gods will,
When did he fall?If you guys still dont understand than i will respond later….
Does this make sense?
Genesis 2:17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.
Romans 8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. 2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death. 3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh: 4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. 5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit. 6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. 7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be . 8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God. 9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
A SERPENT is a creature that lives off of his CARNAL mind. Man when he follows his carnal mind is like that of a SERPENT. We are told that to be carnally minded is death, and that the carnal mind is at enmity against God. Adam and Eve were deceived by their carnal minds, that was the adversary or SATAN that existed in the Garden of Eden. This is the same SATAN that exists today!! Death came because man relied on his own nature and followed his own imagination, instead of trusting the Words of YHWH.
There exists no scripture that speaks of some angel being jealous of God and wanting to go against Him. An angel in God's presence is CONSUMED in TRUTH and FULFILLMENT, not dissatisfaction and stupidity that one could actually succeed in going against Him.
The doctrine of fallen angels is utterly disgraceful IMO!!
James 1:14 But every man is tempted , when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed . 15 Then when lust hath conceived , it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished , bringeth forth death.
To BE CARNALLY MINDED IS DEATH..
Romans 5:12 Wherefore , as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned….17 For if by one man's offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ.)
Ephesians 2:13 But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ. 14 For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us; 15Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;
The CARNAL MIND IS ENMITY against God
Could scripture be more clear? Jesus followed God's Spirit, denying his carnal mind. The SAW-TAWN that falls is the carnal mind that's been put in it's place!!
I think it might be good to first PROVE, through scripture, who this Satan of which you all keep referring to IS!
Then DEFINE the “heaven” of which you believe he fell from!
Then tell us WHEN it was he fell and WHY he fell!
Quote (Jodi Lee @ June 01 2010,08:03) I think it might be good to first PROVE, through scripture, who this Satan of which you all keep referring to IS! Then DEFINE the “heaven” of which you believe he fell from!
Then tell us WHEN it was he fell and WHY he fell!
Good point….I actually got off the phone with Simple Forgiven and brought some of those points up.
We first have to define Satan, then Heaven, then the nature of his falling…how many times he fell, in what way did he fall (authority, glory, power)…ect
There are a lot of factors, but we would need to start by establishing a basis of understanding.
If we don't…then we'll spend 20 pages debating and arguing apples and oranges even though they are both fruit…lol
Quote (SimplyForgiven @ June 01 2010,07:03) Hi ALL, Very quickly im late to work, i usually respond late at night.
Note: i have breifly read most of your responses.Most of you are off topic.
Let me be clear.
The devil fell period. He is evil. Adam knew God, and also fell. Lets not ignore scripture.
Jodi you ignore scriputre alot, if anything you dont make any sense.You are making knife comments, Ask terrarica what that means.
you make points by ignoring scripture.
He fell. because he simply wanted to be more than God.
Here is the problem
Some people like George believes that Satan fell before Adam was created,
Few like myself believe he fell after Adam was created. after the seventh day that God rested.WHEN GENESIS SAYS VOID AND DARKNESS IT MEANS INCOMPLETE, LOOK UP THE HEBREW DONT BE IGNORANT.
When you see a house that is not finish, is it destroyed? is it evil? no of coures not, its simply not finished.but on day 3 God made the FOUNDATIONS of the earth. How can it be that if the earth was void and dark, that the Spirit of God can move on such a thing. If you believe that the earth was destroyed or whatnot, than thats not according to scripture or whatever. the devil did not fall before the seventh day.
I think that people are getting confused abuot what im talkiing about.
Im asking when did the Devil orginaly fall form his orginal position.
He was once a good cheribum who followed Gods will,
When did he fall?If you guys still dont understand than i will respond later….
Does this make sense?
SF“ ‘You were the model of perfection,
full of wisdom and perfect in beauty.
Eze 28:13 You were in Eden,
the garden of God;
every precious stone adorned you:
ruby, topaz and emerald,
chrysolite, onyx and jasper,
sapphire, turquoise and beryl.
Your settings and mountings were made of gold;
on the day you were created they were prepared.
Eze 28:14 You were anointed as a guardian cherub,
for so I ordained you.
You were on the holy mount of God;
you walked among the fiery stones.
Eze 28:15 You were blameless in your ways
from the day you were created
till wickedness was found in you.
Eze 28:16 Through your widespread trade
you were filled with violence,
and you sinned.
So I drove you in disgrace from the mount of God,
and I expelled you, O guardian cherub,
from among the fiery stones.
Eze 28:17 Your heart became proud
on account of your beauty,
and you corrupted your wisdom
because of your splendor.
So I threw you to the earth;
I made a spectacle of you before kings.
Eze 28:18 By your many sins and dishonest trade
you have desecrated your sanctuaries.
So I made a fire come out from you,
and it consumed you,
and I reduced you to ashes on the ground
in the sight of all who were watching.
Eze 28:19 All the nations who knew you
are appalled at you;
you have come to a horrible end
and will be no more.’ ”Job 1:6 One day the angels came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan also came with them.
Job 1:7 The LORD said to Satan, “Where have you come from?”
Satan answered the LORD, “From roaming through the earth and going back and forth in it.”
Job 1:8 Then the LORD said to Satan, “Have you considered my servant Job? There is no one on earth like him; he is blameless and upright, a man who fears God and shuns evil.”
Job 1:9 “Does Job fear God for nothing?” Satan replied.
Job 1:10 “Have you not put a hedge around him and his household and everything he has? You have blessed the work of his hands, so that his flocks and herds are spread throughout the land.Jn 3:20 Everyone who does evil hates the light, and will not come into the light for fear that his deeds will be exposed.
Jn 3:21 But whoever lives by the truth comes into the light, so that it may be seen plainly that what he has done has been done through God.”this satan can not do after he rebel;Jn 4:24 God is spirit, and his worshipers must worship in spirit and in truth.”
this is Jesus being recognized for;;Jn 4:42 They said to the woman, “We no longer believe just because of what you said; now we have heard for ourselves, and we know that this man really is the Savior of the world.”
Jn 8:44 You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father’s desire. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies.
so wen Jesus died Satan was cast out of heaven ,the cause is the scrifice of Christ,
Jn 12:31 Now is the time for judgment on this world; now the prince of this world will be driven out.
Jn 12:32 But I, when I am lifted up from the earth, will draw all men to myself.”but i do not share your views on satan be cast out after the 7 th day,unless you our scriptures.
Pierre
Quote (terraricca @ June 01 2010,08:16) Quote (SimplyForgiven @ June 01 2010,07:03) Hi ALL, Very quickly im late to work, i usually respond late at night.
Note: i have breifly read most of your responses.Most of you are off topic.
Let me be clear.
The devil fell period. He is evil. Adam knew God, and also fell. Lets not ignore scripture.
Jodi you ignore scriputre alot, if anything you dont make any sense.You are making knife comments, Ask terrarica what that means.
you make points by ignoring scripture.
He fell. because he simply wanted to be more than God.
Here is the problem
Some people like George believes that Satan fell before Adam was created,
Few like myself believe he fell after Adam was created. after the seventh day that God rested.WHEN GENESIS SAYS VOID AND DARKNESS IT MEANS INCOMPLETE, LOOK UP THE HEBREW DONT BE IGNORANT.
When you see a house that is not finish, is it destroyed? is it evil? no of coures not, its simply not finished.but on day 3 God made the FOUNDATIONS of the earth. How can it be that if the earth was void and dark, that the Spirit of God can move on such a thing. If you believe that the earth was destroyed or whatnot, than thats not according to scripture or whatever. the devil did not fall before the seventh day.
I think that people are getting confused abuot what im talkiing about.
Im asking when did the Devil orginaly fall form his orginal position.
He was once a good cheribum who followed Gods will,
When did he fall?If you guys still dont understand than i will respond later….
Does this make sense?
SF“ ‘You were the model of perfection,
full of wisdom and perfect in beauty.
Eze 28:13 You were in Eden,
the garden of God;
every precious stone adorned you:
ruby, topaz and emerald,
chrysolite, onyx and jasper,
sapphire, turquoise and beryl.
Your settings and mountings were made of gold;
on the day you were created they were prepared.
Eze 28:14 You were anointed as a guardian cherub,
for so I ordained you.
You were on the holy mount of God;
you walked among the fiery stones.
Eze 28:15 You were blameless in your ways
from the day you were created
till wickedness was found in you.
Eze 28:16 Through your widespread trade
you were filled with violence,
and you sinned.
So I drove you in disgrace from the mount of God,
and I expelled you, O guardian cherub,
from among the fiery stones.
Eze 28:17 Your heart became proud
on account of your beauty,
and you corrupted your wisdom
because of your splendor.
So I threw you to the earth;
I made a spectacle of you before kings.
Eze 28:18 By your many sins and dishonest trade
you have desecrated your sanctuaries.
So I made a fire come out from you,
and it consumed you,
and I reduced you to ashes on the ground
in the sight of all who were watching.
Eze 28:19 All the nations who knew you
are appalled at you;
you have come to a horrible end
and will be no more.’ ”Job 1:6 One day the angels came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan also came with them.
Job 1:7 The LORD said to Satan, “Where have you come from?”
Satan answered the LORD, “From roaming through the earth and going back and forth in it.”
Job 1:8 Then the LORD said to Satan, “Have you considered my servant Job? There is no one on earth like him; he is blameless and upright, a man who fears God and shuns evil.”
Job 1:9 “Does Job fear God for nothing?” Satan replied.
Job 1:10 “Have you not put a hedge around him and his household and everything he has? You have blessed the work of his hands, so that his flocks and herds are spread throughout the land.Jn 3:20 Everyone who does evil hates the light, and will not come into the light for fear that his deeds will be exposed.
Jn 3:21 But whoever lives by the truth comes into the light, so that it may be seen plainly that what he has done has been done through God.”this satan can not do after he rebel;Jn 4:24 God is spirit, and his worshipers must worship in spirit and in truth.”
this is Jesus being recognized for;;Jn 4:42 They said to the woman, “We no longer believe just because of what you said; now we have heard for ourselves, and we know that this man really is the Savior of the world.”
Jn 8:44 You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father’s desire. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies.
so wen Jesus died Satan was cast out of heaven ,the cause is the scrifice of Christ,
Jn 12:31 Now is the time for judgment on this world; now the prince of this world will be driven out.
Jn 12:32 But I, when I am lifted up from the earth, will draw all men to myself.”but i do not share your views on satan be cast out after the 7 th day,unless you our scriptures.
Pierre
Another foolish absolute created by interpretation.You say Jesus' death was the cause for satan to be cast out of heaven?
None of your biblical verse support that…
You just submitted a bunch, then came up with your own conclusion as if it were truth.
FIRST OFF Pierre, I want to say you're entirely wrong.
Second off,
Ezekiel 28:13 Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created.So if anything, that verse suggest the devil himself was created after the world…lol
The workmanship of your clothes and musical equipment was prepared in the day you were created.
Well on one of the days of creation, was land put on earth and all the precious stones therein….including the garden of eden which had to of been made after the day of vegetation….
So if anything, scripture supports Simply Forgiven, that the devil fell AFTER creation if not during it or 7th day later.
Plus….
Luke 10:17-18
17And the seventy returned again with joy, saying, Lord, even the devils are subject unto us through thy name.
18And he said unto them, I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven.
Jesus was alive at this time, and after the 70 apostles rejoiced in their new ability to cast out demons in his name…
They were rejoicing to Jesus in happiness like… WOW we can cast out demons in YOUR name.
And Jesus basically brushed it off like…”Of course you can, I witnessed him fall, personally”
So The Devil had to of fallen, prior to Jesus' incarnation on earth. For he said in past tense…I witnessed his falling.
Hope this clears stuff up for you…it's not an absolute answer, but it's a good start.
RM
you do not read my quote,so wen Jesus died Satan was cast out of heaven ,the cause is the scrifice of Christ,
Jn 12:31 Now is the time for judgment on this world; now the prince of this world will be driven out.
Jn 12:32 But I, when I am lifted up from the earth, will draw all men to myself.”it is not up to me to make you see the truth,if you disagree with me that fine with me , you can make anything look like wrong of what i say or think,
you have not prove anything by just saying i am wrong ,that is just your opinion.
we can not change the scriptures it will be there after we are gone
Pierre
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