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Quote And please don't refer to Satan's world. Lies and deceptions only have any form of life, if we give our attention to them. They are lies! Why pay any attention to lies. There is no truth in him. Truth is life, lies are death. Lies don't rule the world or have a world, or rule anything unless “you” give them your attention with your fears, otherwise they have nothing. Deceivers kingdom is to blind the eyes of the sons of God, IMO, TK would this mean that you drive your car with your eyes closed ?? and when you go to work and do your duty s with no attention to your task ,is this not unsafe behavior ?? when you are at lunch with your co workers are you closing your hears to what is not 100% christian talk ,and never talk to them ?? this is only a few of the world rules what we can not escape from ,and it is Satan s world for now ,
this is why we have to fight the spirit of this world ,but we stil live in this world ,if you believe this or not
Pierre
Pierre: There is no fight! You either accept lies and deceptions or you choose truth. No “force” or “Push” from either side. Both sides exist. The choice is ours to make. We are foolish if we give credit to and empower lies through fear of evil. To call lies and deception the ruler of this world is probably correct concerning most church buildings. Most believe they are in a war with lies and deceptions. Ignorance is even to “resist” lies and deceptions, because anything we “resist” we empower from our attention. Resistance causes the opposite of intention! There is no “negative power” or “force” to resist! Lies and deceptions against the truth will present themselves as though truth. The person is responsible to turn away and pay no attention to those lies and deceptions. If one turns away his attention, then the lies and deceptions go away. If they return again, turn away again!!
Driving a car is creating a force of great physical power, thousands of pounds of steel moving at any speed can crush another or crash causing the driver pain and suffering. Lies and deceptions have no power and cannot affect you at all without your acceptance.
If we are not to judge others, there is no such thing as “christian”, talk, walk, music, gatherings, words, efforts, ways, actions, decisions et. al.!! “Christ” is the anointed one of God. A anointed man of God is a free man to do and be in his freedom as he chooses to do and be. He is set free from all judgments, good or bad. He is subject to nobody yet subjects him self to all. He totally allows space unto others and thereby creates space for himself. The truth had “made” him free. IMO, TK
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I personally do not fight with my mind ,my knowledge in scriptures has overcome that ,but it did not come over one night becoming mature in Gods word is needed,
many do not understand what sin his, any one can stop sinning if he wanted to do so ,errors are not sins forgetfulness is not sinning,
Pierre
Hi Pierre,
Tim doesn't know what sin is;
sin is rebellion against God.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Ed J @ Nov. 03 2011,09:52) Hi Pierre, Tim doesn't know what sin is;
sin is rebellion against God.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
edjhe should ,how can you avoid it if you do not know ?? is it not said that the experienced sees the trap but the unprepared falls in it ,
Pierre
Ed & Pierre: For there to be “sin” in the world as you jointly say there is, since Jesus came and did his cleansing work it would mean that even though Jesus came to take away our sin, you believe he failed.His cleansing work must have failed. Your still dealing with sin!!! No one is saved from sin if the work of Jesus didn't remove it. The final sacrifice of Jesus laying down his life, once for all time, cleansing mankind of sin apparently did not work, he apparently failed to save mankind from sin! Are you saying his life wasn't good enough?
So you deny the finished work of Jesus. He can't be your “savior” from sin if you still have sin. One is not “born again” to a new sinless life if Jesus failed his work for God. You cannot dwell with God and God dwell with you if you have sin! One cannot go to Heaven with sin! Sin separates man from God so if you still “sin” or have “sin” you are not in union with God. There can be no marriage of man with the Holy Spirit Bride if there is “sin” in the bridegroom! Cancel the marriage supper of the lord!
If there is still sin in the world (in our hearts/minds) we are not whole, we are not cleansed from sin, we are not acceptable unto God.
Evil and death then, have not been put away. Death still has its sing. We are no longer in the light without darkness/sin.
Anything a man can “do” or “not do” that he believes can affect his only, possible, purity, bought and paid for by Jesus Christ, is tantamount to “idol” works of his own making, that he accepts as worthy efforts and sacrifices unto cleansing before God. You cannot work your way to God, ever! If doing something is a sin then that is a work on the part of the individual to make him better or worse within mans power. THAT WILL NEVER FLY WITH GOD ALMIGHTY. He made us what we are in Christ. Believe or not, your choice.
Anyone that says there is still sin in their life has voided the work of Jesus Christ and is in outer darkness in pain and suffering! IMO, TK
Quote (ftk @ Nov. 03 2011,20:43) Ed & Pierre: For there to be “sin” in the world as you jointly say there is, since Jesus came and did his cleansing work it would mean that even though Jesus came to take away our sin, you believe he failed.His cleansing work must have failed.
No, Tim,You misunderstand the Scripture, let me give you a “Parable”…
If someone gives you a car, the car is not yours until you accept it.
Peoples sins are only taken away when they accept the free gift of God.
Why do you have SŌŌŌ much trouble understanding such a simple concept?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (ftk @ Nov. 03 2011,20:43) Ed & Pierre: If there is still sin in the world (in our hearts/minds) we are not whole, we are not cleansed from sin, we are not acceptable unto God.
IMO, TK
Hi Tim,I see you identify yourself with the world in this; mmm, why is that?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgtk
why is it that the snake in Eden rephrace into a question what God has clearly stated not to do ??it seems you doing the same thing,James says very clearly FAITH WITHOUT DEEDS IS DEAD, the deeds alone will not save you ,but the faith alone does not save either,SO IT IS BOTH ” THE FAITH AND DEEDS THAT SAVE US.
Quote (Ed J @ Nov. 03 2011,21:00) Quote (ftk @ Nov. 03 2011,20:43) Ed & Pierre: For there to be “sin” in the world as you jointly say there is, since Jesus came and did his cleansing work it would mean that even though Jesus came to take away our sin, you believe he failed.His cleansing work must have failed.
No, Tim,You misunderstand the Scripture, let me give you a “Parable”…
If someone gives you a car, the car is not yours until you accept it.
Peoples sins are only taken away when they accept the free gift of God.
Why do you have SŌŌŌ much trouble understanding such a simple concept?God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Ed: Your parable fails. If someone give you a car is is your car. It can just sit there but it is your car. You don't have to use it or try it out to be your car. But to experience the use of that car comes after one accepts the fact that it is theirs and makes use of its benefits.Faith that a perfected, sinless union with God has been made available through Jesus Christ is what allows a man to connect with God by faith. There can be no connection with God if there remains sin!
Apparently you believe sin is still prevalent. My guess would be that you make that judgment based on looking at the world around you and presupposing that the “bad” or “evil” actions are sin and therefore sin still exists. God never said that! Jesus never said that! Whatever you think sin is, was put on Jesus, that he might remove sin forever! Jesus became “sin” to purchase our righteousness.
Sin has been taken away. Sin does not remain. There is no sin. Jesus paid the price to take sin away. Sin is not actions that we perform, it never was. If it were then we would just work our way to perfection in God. What a foolish religious doctrine. Mostly mis-guided preachers teach this lie. Come to God by faith, fall away from God by works….typical lies and deceptions from wicked spirits/doctrines in high, religious places!
The works of a mans hands doing anything he believes makes him better unto God, more acceptable unto God, or is a sin unto God,… is an “idol”! The worship of mans efforts for union unto God. IMO, TK
Quote (terraricca @ Nov. 03 2011,21:08) tk
why is it that the snake in Eden rephrace into a question what God has clearly stated not to do ??it seems you doing the same thing,James says very clearly FAITH WITHOUT DEEDS IS DEAD, the deeds alone will not save you ,but the faith alone does not save either,SO IT IS BOTH ” THE FAITH AND DEEDS THAT SAVE US.
Pierre: So what! Even if you believe that the “works” James is talking about is good deeds of kindness etc., it is still just a statement made. No penalty. Just the fact that faith without showing the faith by works and deeds is dead. Its just dead. You don't go to hell or pay a price or loose your salvation, its just a statement fact!!If I say…pancakes without syrup, suck…that's just a statement of fact, of my own opinion.
You still reject the truth I see in that scripture….Faith(that connects man to God pure and clean) without faith in God power works….is non-productive. Produces no fruit. Power of God fruit. Healing, resurrection of the dead, casting out lies/devils etc.!
A deed to achieve is much different than a deed of expression!
Love will always create so much peace and joy in the heart, that it would be impossible to not express that love to others, but I only trying to separate “MANS EFFORTS” from having anything to do will his salvation. That's the danger zone! Our judgment is by faith not any works we do or don't do. Judgment by faith is perfection. IMO, TK
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Quote A deed to achieve is much different than a deed of expression! this can only be in your heart,
Quote Love will always create so much peace and joy in the heart, that it would be impossible to not express that love to others, but I only trying to separate “MANS EFFORTS” from having anything to do will his salvation. That's the danger zone! Our judgment is by faith not any works we do or don't do. Judgment by faith is perfection. IMO, TK agreed Man can not pay God for his live ,and so DO NOTHING THAT CAN SAVE HIM BESIDE TRUST GOD AND HAVE FAITH THAT CHRIST WILL DO IT ,IF WE SHOW FAITH IN HIM AND HIS FATHER
Pierre
PIERRE: Our truth is close in this area. What I want most for all to recognize is that any thoughts of the mind/heart that feel/believe that they “need” to do or “should” do or “must do” anything additional or post salvation, completely negates pure “faith” in God, that all is done. If there is anything to do for “purification” then it hasn't been done. Once realized, thoughts and beliefs of absolute “perfection” unto God creates feelings of bliss, joy, wonderment, peace, total thankfulness, total appreciation, gratefulness beyond imagine etc.!! When a person recognizes his gift of absolute purity, through Christ Jesus words of God, he feels joy unspeakable! Anyone reading this can feel the joy inside commensurate with their faith as they read. That's the holy spirit.
If a person believes he must have faith that God has done his perfect work though Jesus, “AND THEN”… fulfill any kind of requirements, in any way, he has then nullified the pure faith he originally had. Faith alone is pure faith…alone!! DON'T ADD ANYTHING TO FAITH ALONE!!
If Jesus has taken away our sin….bore our sin….took our sin upon himself….became sin….taketh away the sin of the world….made us free from sin….put away sin….manifested to take away our sin….appeared to put away sin…..made us free from sin and death…. and cleanseth us from all sin then we don't have sin, sin is gone, sin doesn't exist, we are sin free through Jesus words from God. All who continue to accept sins existence, try to figure out what sin is, fight sin, and thereby believe in sin, cannot have God within. God has no sin. There is no sin in love. Man has created “sin” in his mind. He has identified “sin” as many things usually coinciding with man made “morality”! Your mind is the clearing house of God. Its God's house, God's Temple, God's Church, God's body! You can't mix salt and fresh water, one will taint the other! You cannot mix God and sin. You can only have one or the other. You are either purified through Jesus and in God or you have sin in your mind/heart to deal with. God Bless, TK
Quote (ftk @ Nov. 06 2011,02:54) PIERRE: Our truth is close in this area. What I want most for all to recognize is that any thoughts of the mind/heart that feel/believe that they “need” to do or “should” do or “must do” anything additional or post salvation, completely negates pure “faith” in God, that all is done. If there is anything to do for “purification” then it hasn't been done. Once realized, thoughts and beliefs of absolute “perfection” unto God creates feelings of bliss, joy, wonderment, peace, total thankfulness, total appreciation, gratefulness beyond imagine etc.!! When a person recognizes his gift of absolute purity, through Christ Jesus words of God, he feels joy unspeakable! Anyone reading this can feel the joy inside commensurate with their faith as they read. That's the holy spirit. If a person believes he must have faith that God has done his perfect work though Jesus, “AND THEN”… fulfill any kind of requirements, in any way, he has then nullified the pure faith he originally had. Faith alone is pure faith…alone!! DON'T ADD ANYTHING TO FAITH ALONE!!
If Jesus has taken away our sin….bore our sin….took our sin upon himself….became sin….taketh away the sin of the world….made us free from sin….put away sin….manifested to take away our sin….appeared to put away sin…..made us free from sin and death…. and cleanseth us from all sin then we don't have sin, sin is gone, sin doesn't exist, we are sin free through Jesus words from God. All who continue to accept sins existence, try to figure out what sin is, fight sin, and thereby believe in sin, cannot have God within. God has no sin. There is no sin in love. Man has created “sin” in his mind. He has identified “sin” as many things usually coinciding with man made “morality”! Your mind is the clearing house of God. Its God's house, God's Temple, God's Church, God's body! You can't mix salt and fresh water, one will taint the other! You cannot mix God and sin. You can only have one or the other. You are either purified through Jesus and in God or you have sin in your mind/heart to deal with. God Bless, TK
tkIS HAVING FAITH ;IS THIS NOT AN ACTION FROM OUR PART
Pierre: Not in my opinion. Faith involves only accepting a truth, as the truth, from God. Faith receives, works or deeds, deliver! Please don't get me wrong, love works and kind expressions are a natural by-product of love. We can't hardly live without expressing the love of God that we receive by believing. Yet if we believe anything we do or don't do, has any affect on salvation, the love gift from God, either bad or good, then we are believing in self-salvation. If your “self” can create or dis-create your salvation or have any affect on it whatsoever,
then the human self is involved which destroys the purity of faith. ONLY FAITH IN WHAT GOD/JESUS/HOLY SPIRIT HAVE DONE…..[FOR YOU]….CAN SAVE YOU. Whether you express it or not does not matter. Like James said…its just dead or non expressive to others if you don't express it! It goes along with sowing and reaping. If you don't sow love seed, you will not reap a love harvest! Bless you, TK
tk
Quote Faith involves only accepting a truth, as the truth, from God “accepting” is this not action ?? of our part
Pierre
Pierre: Maybe it is! I don't know. If someone hands you a gift and you “accept it” is that an “effort” or a “work” something you must exert energy for. Good question? TK
Quote (ftk @ Nov. 09 2011,04:25) Pierre: Maybe it is! I don't know. If someone hands you a gift and you “accept it” is that an “effort” or a “work” something you must exert energy for. Good question? TK
tkthis I believe is the only time where we using our free will to make the choice to serve God or not ,this is the action that can save us from the devil grip and go to Christ and submit our selves to God his father ,and no longer be alienated from God and his blessings,and so live
Pierre
Pierre: Excellent, that is right on target. God/Love cannot force us. There is no “force” in love. God must carefully guard us from being overwhelmed by his greatness or usurp our authority to make a choice. Any form of demand with power to back it up is usurping the will or power of another. To command a child to sit on your lap and love you cannot be done in love. It can be done through fear…the child might be afraid to say no…..but if the child wants to love you or loves you they willingly express that love, their own way. IMO, TK
Quote (ftk @ Nov. 10 2011,04:53) Pierre: Excellent, that is right on target. God/Love cannot force us. There is no “force” in love. God must carefully guard us from being overwhelmed by his greatness or usurp our authority to make a choice. Any form of demand with power to back it up is usurping the will or power of another. To command a child to sit on your lap and love you cannot be done in love. It can be done through fear…the child might be afraid to say no…..but if the child wants to love you or loves you they willingly express that love, their own way. IMO, TK 
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