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[peace2all]

Quote (942767 @ Nov. 17 2009,14:18)

Quote (bodhitharta @ Nov. 17 2009,13:15) Quote (942767 @ Nov. 17 2009,13:11) Hi Peace2All: You are correct in what you have stated here: Quote to be apart of that kingdom you need to have faith, and that salvation is from god only,he gives to those who put forth faith in the sin atoning sacrifice of his son jesus christ. baptism, and do gods will. and yes the kingdom i agree. matt 11:11,12 – the kingdom of the heavens is the goal toward which men press. that kingdom is the reign of god on earth and he will reside with them on his paradise but to get that kingdom we need to do his will and accept christ There is no salvation other than through what God has done for us in the person of His Only Begotten Son and His Christ.  Don't let anyone talk you out of this truth. Love in Christ, Marty Marty, Did God do anything at all for anybody before He sent Jesus? Hi BD: All who will be saved from the beginning of creation until the end of the time have sinned, and the blood that Jesus shed is the propitiation for the sins of both those who will be saved from creation until Jesus ministry, and for all who come to God through him since his ministry. Quote Col 1:12   Giving thanks unto the Father, which hath made us meet to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in light:   Col 1:13   Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated [us] into the kingdom of his dear Son:   Col 1:14   In whom we have redemption through his blood, [even] the forgiveness of sins:   Col 1:18   And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all [things] he might have the preeminence.   Col 1:19 ¶ For it pleased [the Father] that in him should all fulness dwell;   Col 1:20   And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, , whether [they be] things in earth, or things in heaven Jhn 14:6   Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me Love in Christ, Marty

did god do anything for people before christ? do you read the bible? i am just starting out really and from what i have read thats all he's ever done is try to do for man. read all the bible stories. he has tried to help and guide man to him and has rewarded those who do. man tries to add there own interests first rather than gods or try to insert them with his instead of doing just his will. people ask what is the meaning of life? well until recently i didn't know. the meaning of life is – – to do gods will. be fruitful and become many and fill the earth to live forever and subdue it and have all the animals in subjection. live a happy death and sickness free life. thats is what the meaning of life is. to live forever and fill the earth and take care of the earth and animals.

[peace2all]

Quote (bodhitharta @ Nov. 17 2009,12:58)

Quote (peace2all @ Nov. 17 2009,12:52) Quote (Nick Hassan @ Nov. 17 2009,12:43) Hi BD, James tells us about where sin begins. From OUR lusts. adam and eve instead of ignoring wrongful thoughts instead nourished selfish desires and there acts of sin were resulted. so now when we are born our desires are inclined to do what is sinful thats why its so hard to do whats right. life is hard without gods guidance to keep doing unsinful things. born in sin not of sin. So you agree that they already had the same selfish desires that everyone had after them, right? So that would mean they were created that way. No one is born with a mind doomed to make bad decisions it simply is not true.

romans 5:12. we inherited there imperfections, they did not need to have jesus sacrifice his life for them because they were perfect. free of sin and ddeath. after thier act of sin they were imperfect and cast out of the garden thus all there offspring from then forth are born in sin sinners we are becasue we die. thanks. don't fret if you do gods will and repent and accept jesus you will be part of his original plan. . so keep seeking the truth and it will come to you just don't fight it, accept it and keep growing in knowledge. stay away from mans doctrines and falsehoods or the truth will be hard to find or accept

[bodhitharta]

Quote (942767 @ Nov. 17 2009,14:18)

Quote (bodhitharta @ Nov. 17 2009,13:15) Quote (942767 @ Nov. 17 2009,13:11) Hi Peace2All: You are correct in what you have stated here: Quote to be apart of that kingdom you need to have faith, and that salvation is from god only,he gives to those who put forth faith in the sin atoning sacrifice of his son jesus christ. baptism, and do gods will. and yes the kingdom i agree. matt 11:11,12 – the kingdom of the heavens is the goal toward which men press. that kingdom is the reign of god on earth and he will reside with them on his paradise but to get that kingdom we need to do his will and accept christ There is no salvation other than through what God has done for us in the person of His Only Begotten Son and His Christ.  Don't let anyone talk you out of this truth. Love in Christ, Marty Marty, Did God do anything at all for anybody before He sent Jesus? Hi BD: All who will be saved from the beginning of creation until the end of the time have sinned, and the blood that Jesus shed is the propitiation for the sins of both those who will be saved from creation until Jesus ministry, and for all who come to God through him since his ministry. Quote Col 1:12   Giving thanks unto the Father, which hath made us meet to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in light:   Col 1:13   Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated [us] into the kingdom of his dear Son:   Col 1:14   In whom we have redemption through his blood, [even] the forgiveness of sins:   Col 1:18   And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all [things] he might have the preeminence.   Col 1:19 ¶ For it pleased [the Father] that in him should all fulness dwell;   Col 1:20   And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, , whether [they be] things in earth, or things in heaven Jhn 14:6   Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me Love in Christ, Marty

So everyone before Jesus didn't have to accept Jesus, right?

[942767]

Quote (bodhitharta @ Nov. 17 2009,14:58)

Quote (942767 @ Nov. 17 2009,14:18) Quote (bodhitharta @ Nov. 17 2009,13:15) Quote (942767 @ Nov. 17 2009,13:11) Hi Peace2All: You are correct in what you have stated here: Quote to be apart of that kingdom you need to have faith, and that salvation is from god only,he gives to those who put forth faith in the sin atoning sacrifice of his son jesus christ. baptism, and do gods will. and yes the kingdom i agree. matt 11:11,12 – the kingdom of the heavens is the goal toward which men press. that kingdom is the reign of god on earth and he will reside with them on his paradise but to get that kingdom we need to do his will and accept christ There is no salvation other than through what God has done for us in the person of His Only Begotten Son and His Christ.  Don't let anyone talk you out of this truth. Love in Christ, Marty Marty, Did God do anything at all for anybody before He sent Jesus? Hi BD: All who will be saved from the beginning of creation until the end of the time have sinned, and the blood that Jesus shed is the propitiation for the sins of both those who will be saved from creation until Jesus ministry, and for all who come to God through him since his ministry. Quote Col 1:12   Giving thanks unto the Father, which hath made us meet to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in light:   Col 1:13   Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated [us] into the kingdom of his dear Son:   Col 1:14   In whom we have redemption through his blood, [even] the forgiveness of sins:   Col 1:18   And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all [things] he might have the preeminence.   Col 1:19 ¶ For it pleased [the Father] that in him should all fulness dwell;   Col 1:20   And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, , whether [they be] things in earth, or things in heaven Jhn 14:6   Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me Love in Christ, Marty So everyone before Jesus didn't have to accept Jesus, right?

Hi BD:

They as well as we are saved by faith, that is we are saved because we have believed God, and so no, they did not have the full revelation of God's plan for humanity, but it is by his blood that their sins will be washed away, and they will be raised from the dead when Jesus comes for the church.

Without the blood that he shed to wash away the sins of all who have been obedient to God from creation even unto the end there will be no resurrection from the dead.

Love in Christ,
Marty

[kerwin]

I believe this thread would be more appropriate in the Messages thread.

[peace2all]

thinking BD is not trying to seek or inform anything here, but to argue for argue's sake. its scriptual sound on this subject matter and the message here has been conveyed yet you continue to question and ignore. we are sinners therefore we die that is why jesus shed his blood for our chance to have that wiped out, along with coming here to spread what gods will(word) is for mankind that he loves so much and loves the world that he created. these are gods words not our own interpretation of cerain texts but is clearly stated thus not leaving any other meanings. romans 5:12 all of chapter 5 is good. thanks.

[NickHassan]

Hi bD,
Accepting Jesus saves nobody-that is a popular myth.
But Jesus visited the prison of waiting believers after death that they may follow him out of the gate.[1Peter3]

[NickHassan]

HI BD,
The bosom of Abraham held those who were of the Spirit of God but did not understand yet the position of Jesus though things they had said pointed to him.[1 peter1.18f]

[bodhitharta]

Quote (942767 @ Nov. 17 2009,15:11)

Quote (bodhitharta @ Nov. 17 2009,14:58) Quote (942767 @ Nov. 17 2009,14:18) Quote (bodhitharta @ Nov. 17 2009,13:15) Quote (942767 @ Nov. 17 2009,13:11) Hi Peace2All: You are correct in what you have stated here: Quote to be apart of that kingdom you need to have faith, and that salvation is from god only,he gives to those who put forth faith in the sin atoning sacrifice of his son jesus christ. baptism, and do gods will. and yes the kingdom i agree. matt 11:11,12 – the kingdom of the heavens is the goal toward which men press. that kingdom is the reign of god on earth and he will reside with them on his paradise but to get that kingdom we need to do his will and accept christ There is no salvation other than through what God has done for us in the person of His Only Begotten Son and His Christ.  Don't let anyone talk you out of this truth. Love in Christ, Marty Marty, Did God do anything at all for anybody before He sent Jesus? Hi BD: All who will be saved from the beginning of creation until the end of the time have sinned, and the blood that Jesus shed is the propitiation for the sins of both those who will be saved from creation until Jesus ministry, and for all who come to God through him since his ministry. Quote Col 1:12   Giving thanks unto the Father, which hath made us meet to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in light:   Col 1:13   Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated [us] into the kingdom of his dear Son:   Col 1:14   In whom we have redemption through his blood, [even] the forgiveness of sins:   Col 1:18   And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all [things] he might have the preeminence.   Col 1:19 ¶ For it pleased [the Father] that in him should all fulness dwell;   Col 1:20   And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, , whether [they be] things in earth, or things in heaven Jhn 14:6   Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me Love in Christ, Marty So everyone before Jesus didn't have to accept Jesus, right? Hi BD: They as well as we are saved by faith, that is we are saved because we have believed God, and so no, they did not have the full revelation of God's plan for humanity, but it is by his blood that their sins will be washed away, and they will be raised from the dead when Jesus comes for the church. Without the blood that he shed to wash away the sins of all who have been obedient to God from creation even unto the end there will be no resurrection from the dead. Love in Christ, Marty

So when you said “blood” are you talking about the blood and water that came from his side? Also, aren't sacrifices on alters? Was the cross a symbolic alter?

[bodhitharta]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Nov. 18 2009,05:20)

Hi bD, Accepting Jesus saves nobody-that is a popular myth. But Jesus visited the prison of waiting believers after death that they may follow him out of the gate.[1Peter3]

Accepting Jesus saves nobody?

[NickHassan]

Hi BD,
Where is this new way shown in Scripture? ACCEPT JESUS AND YOU ARE SAVED?
The beginning of the way of Jesus was enunciated by Peter at Pentecost.

Nothing has changed.

[NickHassan]

Hi BD,
It is those known by him that are secure.
Seek the three witnesses.[1Jn5]

Spirit Water Blood

[bodhitharta]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Nov. 18 2009,06:41)

Hi BD, Where is this new way shown in Scripture?  ACCEPT JESUS AND YOU ARE SAVED? The beginning of the way of Jesus was enunciated by Peter at Pentecost. Nothing has changed.

So those who believe in him can perish?

[NickHassan]

Hi BD,
Demons believe and tremble

[bodhitharta]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Nov. 18 2009,07:38)

Hi BD, Demons believe and tremble

Workout your own salvation with fear and trembling

And his inward affection is more abundant toward you, whilst he remembereth the obedience of you all, how with fear and trembling ye received him.
2 Corinthians 7:14-16

Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.
Philippians 2:11-13

[NickHassan]

Hi BD,
Indeed those in Christ that Paul wrote to must do so.
Outside of him some men do entertain some hopes for mercy but it is according to Mt25.

Best to seek to enter the sabbath rest through the door of Jesus[Jn10, heb4]

Leaving the God of Israel for imaginary ones is not wise is it?

[bodhitharta]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Nov. 18 2009,08:24)

Hi BD, Indeed those in Christ that Paul wrote to must do so. Outside of him some men do entertain some hopes for mercy but it is according to Mt25.  Best to seek to enter the sabbath rest through the door of Jesus[Jn10, heb4] Leaving the God of Israel for imaginary ones is not wise is it?

So did you receive Christ with fear and trembling?

[NickHassan]

Hi BD,
Pardon?
That is how you walk in Christ.

[NickHassan]

Hi BD,
First obey then the fruit follows.

If you feed avidly on the bread of holy Scripture the morning star of the Spirit of Christ will come to rise in your heart[2Peter1, Rev22]

But you must abhor idols and abide in the true Scriptures[1Jn5, 2 jn]

[Tim Kraft]

Quote (bodhitharta @ Nov. 17 2009,12:58)

Quote (peace2all @ Nov. 17 2009,12:52) Quote (Nick Hassan @ Nov. 17 2009,12:43) Hi BD, James tells us about where sin begins. From OUR lusts. adam and eve instead of ignoring wrongful thoughts instead nourished selfish desires and there acts of sin were resulted. so now when we are born our desires are inclined to do what is sinful thats why its so hard to do whats right. life is hard without gods guidance to keep doing unsinful things. born in sin not of sin. So you agree that they already had the same selfish desires that everyone had after them, right? So that would mean they were created that way. No one is born with a mind doomed to make bad decisions it simply is not true.

bod: you are right on the truth IMO! Bless you, TK

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