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Quote (Nick Hassan @ Nov. 17 2009,11:34) Hi BD,
Men are forever imagining themselves righteous.
Don't blame me Jesus said that there were righteous people and so did God, they didn't say self-righteous they said RighteousQuote (bodhitharta @ Nov. 17 2009,11:30) Quote (peace2all @ Nov. 17 2009,11:11) Quote (bodhitharta @ Nov. 17 2009,10:46) Quote (peace2all @ Nov. 17 2009,10:18) Quote (Nick Hassan @ Nov. 17 2009,10:08) hi p2a,
No denominational division.Just the Body of Christ.
thanks nick, im kinda at that state too, no certain church for me. my thinking though is that the bible does say that we should be apart of like minded people and use that as strenght and growth in learning and help from falling into temptation. so one day im probably gonna need to not be all alone on this journey. although its not required from what i take from the bible, you don't have to be apart of a certain faith just as long as you accept christ as only means of salvation from his sacrafice and we repent our sinful ways and do gods will and be as loving and moral as possible and not believe in mans doctrines only scripture(gods own word)god knows we will falter but as long as we are true and try to be good it is still ok, we are born of sin.
We were not born of sin, God made man and saidGenesis 1:26-31 (King James Version)
26And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
27So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
…..31And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.
You have been deceived and God wants you to return to the right state of mind:
I will praise thee; for I am fearfully and wonderfully made: marvellous are thy works; and that my soul knoweth right well.
Psalm 139:13-15
adam and eve were not but everyone else is. we are born of sin thats why god gave us the sin atoning sacrifice of his son. man originally was not, i wasn't trying to say that. but everyone after them is. yes we are born of sin thats why we get old,sick and die. thanks
God did not say Cain and abel were born in sin in-fact Abel was thought of as very pure and good indeed.Enoch was not called a sinner, Noah was called perfect and upright, Job was called perfect and upright
These people were not called sinners and Jesus himself doesn't say that all people are sinners saying:
When Jesus heard it, he saith unto them, They that are whole have no need of the physician, but they that are sick: I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.
Mark 2:16-18I say unto you, that likewise joy shall be in heaven over one sinner that repenteth, more than over ninety and nine just persons, which need no repentance.
Luke 15:6-8we are simply not all born into sin. Do you think that a couple who has become “Born Again” then can have a Child born in sin? Of course not.
Jesus came from the womb of a woman if she was born in sin then he would have had to have been born in sin. That is why some chuches try to teach that Mary was also without sin so how could she be born in sin unless her parents also commited no sin?
Keep in mind that the first time sin is mentioned in the Bible is God telling cain to do what is right and that if he did not do what is right he WOULD SIN and he did SIN but God never said that cain was a sinner at birth.
because we are born in sin does not make one a sinner as far as actions, so why would they be called a sinner. they were faithful and loyal and good but that has nothing to do with inheriting adam and eves sin. when adam and eve sinned all there offspring is born of sin thats why we die and grow old and get sick. we are not perfect. they were perfect then sinned therefore we are born from sin and we needed christ to wash that away otherwise why did christ sacrifice his life to atone this if we are not born of sin.we did to inherit adam and eve's sin. thats why we get old and sick and die. what are you talking about? jesus is not some ordinary human being born. he may have had a fleshy body but he was not created from dust as was man. that does not justify your answer.
as an offspring of sinner adam we are born in sin. there is no other way to be born. he had sinned, it did not go away therefore we inherit the sin also. from birth we inclined to do sin, thats why its do hard for us to fight off satan and do gods will. thats why we need to do what we are now which is taking him in and trying to follow his words.
Quote (peace2all @ Nov. 17 2009,11:39) Quote (bodhitharta @ Nov. 17 2009,11:30) Quote (peace2all @ Nov. 17 2009,11:11) Quote (bodhitharta @ Nov. 17 2009,10:46) Quote (peace2all @ Nov. 17 2009,10:18) Quote (Nick Hassan @ Nov. 17 2009,10:08) hi p2a,
No denominational division.Just the Body of Christ.
thanks nick, im kinda at that state too, no certain church for me. my thinking though is that the bible does say that we should be apart of like minded people and use that as strenght and growth in learning and help from falling into temptation. so one day im probably gonna need to not be all alone on this journey. although its not required from what i take from the bible, you don't have to be apart of a certain faith just as long as you accept christ as only means of salvation from his sacrafice and we repent our sinful ways and do gods will and be as loving and moral as possible and not believe in mans doctrines only scripture(gods own word)god knows we will falter but as long as we are true and try to be good it is still ok, we are born of sin.
We were not born of sin, God made man and saidGenesis 1:26-31 (King James Version)
26And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
27So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
…..31And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.
You have been deceived and God wants you to return to the right state of mind:
I will praise thee; for I am fearfully and wonderfully made: marvellous are thy works; and that my soul knoweth right well.
Psalm 139:13-15
adam and eve were not but everyone else is. we are born of sin thats why god gave us the sin atoning sacrifice of his son. man originally was not, i wasn't trying to say that. but everyone after them is. yes we are born of sin thats why we get old,sick and die. thanks
God did not say Cain and abel were born in sin in-fact Abel was thought of as very pure and good indeed.Enoch was not called a sinner, Noah was called perfect and upright, Job was called perfect and upright
These people were not called sinners and Jesus himself doesn't say that all people are sinners saying:
When Jesus heard it, he saith unto them, They that are whole have no need of the physician, but they that are sick: I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.
Mark 2:16-18I say unto you, that likewise joy shall be in heaven over one sinner that repenteth, more than over ninety and nine just persons, which need no repentance.
Luke 15:6-8we are simply not all born into sin. Do you think that a couple who has become “Born Again” then can have a Child born in sin? Of course not.
Jesus came from the womb of a woman if she was born in sin then he would have had to have been born in sin. That is why some chuches try to teach that Mary was also without sin so how could she be born in sin unless her parents also commited no sin?
Keep in mind that the first time sin is mentioned in the Bible is God telling cain to do what is right and that if he did not do what is right he WOULD SIN and he did SIN but God never said that cain was a sinner at birth.
because we are born in sin does not make one a sinner as far as actions, so why would they be called a sinner. they were faithful and loyal and good but that has nothing to do with inheriting adam and eves sin. when adam and eve sinned all there offspring is born of sin thats why we die and grow old and get sick. we are not perfect. they were perfect then sinned therefore we are born from sin and we needed christ to wash that away otherwise why did christ sacrifice his life to atone this if we are not born of sin.
Christ came to turn those who do sin back to trusting in God.Those who wanted to KILL Jesus were not doing something pleasing to God or Jesus so no, God did not Sacrifice his son.
Jesus also did not want to be sacrificed or Killed.
And he said, “Abba, Father, all things are possible for you. Remove this cup from me. Yet not what I will, but what you will.”
Mark 14:35-37saying, “Father, if you are willing, remove this cup from me. Nevertheless, not my will, but yours, be done.”
Luke 22:41-43Quote (peace2all @ Nov. 17 2009,11:50) as an offspring of sinner adam we are born in sin. there is no other way to be born. he had sinned, it did not go away therefore we inherit the sin also. from birth we inclined to do sin, thats why its do hard for us to fight off satan and do gods will. thats why we need to do what we are now which is taking him in and trying to follow his words.
If what you say is true then how did Adam sin in the first place?Quote (bodhitharta @ Nov. 17 2009,12:12) Quote (peace2all @ Nov. 17 2009,11:50) as an offspring of sinner adam we are born in sin. there is no other way to be born. he had sinned, it did not go away therefore we inherit the sin also. from birth we inclined to do sin, thats why its do hard for us to fight off satan and do gods will. thats why we need to do what we are now which is taking him in and trying to follow his words.
If what you say is true then how did Adam sin in the first place?
? how did he sin. lets see they did not listen to god he and eve ate from the forbidden tree and for going against his will they were then going to die and were cast out of eden. god did not make man as a robot he did not make them that they were on auto pilot and had to do his will. they had free will and had the brains to know right from wrong to either obey or disobey. if not then that would imply that his creation is imperfect! nothing he makes is imperfect he makes us the way he wills it. dueteronomy 30:19,20 they did sin against god and we inherit it from them. it is now a trait we try to stay away from, doing sinful things, it is what the flesh craves. it only makes us bad if we act on it, being born in sin doest make you a sinner or bad but is weak and craves for those things otherwise life would be easy and we would automaticaly serve godQuote (peace2all @ Nov. 17 2009,12:37) Quote (bodhitharta @ Nov. 17 2009,12:12) Quote (peace2all @ Nov. 17 2009,11:50) as an offspring of sinner adam we are born in sin. there is no other way to be born. he had sinned, it did not go away therefore we inherit the sin also. from birth we inclined to do sin, thats why its do hard for us to fight off satan and do gods will. thats why we need to do what we are now which is taking him in and trying to follow his words.
If what you say is true then how did Adam sin in the first place?
? how did he sin. lets see they did not listen to god he and eve ate from the forbidden tree and for going against his will they were then going to die and were cast out of eden. god did not make man as a robot he did not make them that they were on auto pilot and had to do his will. they had free will and had the brains to know right from wrong to either obey or disobey. if not then that would imply that his creation is imperfect! nothing he makes is imperfect he makes us the way he wills it. dueteronomy 30:19,20 they did sin against god and we inherit it from them. it is now a trait we try to stay away from, doing sinful things, it is what the flesh craves. it only makes us bad if we act on it, being born in sin doest make you a sinner or bad but is weak and craves for those things otherwise life would be easy and we would automaticaly serve god
But you have already said that even Adam and Eve had this trait in which sin was possible otherwise how could they sin?No one is born with sin but everyone is born with the ability to sin.
So Adam and Eve SINNED not being born of sin therefor sin does not come through birth but through choice.
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Nov. 17 2009,12:43) Hi BD,
James tells us about where sin begins.
From OUR lusts.
adam and eve instead of ignoring wrongful thoughts instead nourished selfish desires and there acts of sin were resulted. so now when we are born our desires are inclined to do what is sinful thats why its so hard to do whats right. life is hard without gods guidance to keep doing unsinful things. born in sin not of sin.True p2a,
They submitted to the serpent, Satan and came under his dominion.Now Jesus has come to rescue man and all creation that the kingdom of God in heaven will extend to earth
Quote (peace2all @ Nov. 17 2009,12:52) Quote (Nick Hassan @ Nov. 17 2009,12:43) Hi BD,
James tells us about where sin begins.
From OUR lusts.
adam and eve instead of ignoring wrongful thoughts instead nourished selfish desires and there acts of sin were resulted. so now when we are born our desires are inclined to do what is sinful thats why its so hard to do whats right. life is hard without gods guidance to keep doing unsinful things. born in sin not of sin.
So you agree that they already had the same selfish desires that everyone had after them, right?So that would mean they were created that way.
No one is born with a mind doomed to make bad decisions it simply is not true.
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Nov. 17 2009,12:54) True p2a,
They submitted to the serpent, Satan and came under his dominion.Now Jesus has come to rescue man and all creation that the kingdom of God in heaven will extend to earth
yup you got it.Quote (bodhitharta @ Nov. 17 2009,12:58) Quote (peace2all @ Nov. 17 2009,12:52) Quote (Nick Hassan @ Nov. 17 2009,12:43) Hi BD,
James tells us about where sin begins.
From OUR lusts.
adam and eve instead of ignoring wrongful thoughts instead nourished selfish desires and there acts of sin were resulted. so now when we are born our desires are inclined to do what is sinful thats why its so hard to do whats right. life is hard without gods guidance to keep doing unsinful things. born in sin not of sin.
So you agree that they already had the same selfish desires that everyone had after them, right?So that would mean they were created that way.
No one is born with a mind doomed to make bad decisions it simply is not true.
they sinned were punished from god, we are born with that same burden. there burdens became ours too as there offspring. i think that they were not born with that sinful desire so strong in them that they had to fight it off as we do. there was always satan so whenever he turned astray there then was sin. satan was very close and favored in gods eye more so since he is an angel. we all have his favor as long as his will is done by usHi Peace2All:
You are correct in what you have stated here:
Quote to be apart of that kingdom you need to have faith, and that salvation is from god only,he gives to those who put forth faith in the sin atoning sacrifice of his son jesus christ. baptism, and do gods will. and yes the kingdom i agree. matt 11:11,12 – the kingdom of the heavens is the goal toward which men press. that kingdom is the reign of god on earth and he will reside with them on his paradise but to get that kingdom we need to do his will and accept christ There is no salvation other than through what God has done for us in the person of His Only Begotten Son and His Christ. Don't let anyone talk you out of this truth.
Love in Christ,
MartyQuote (942767 @ Nov. 17 2009,13:11) Hi Peace2All: You are correct in what you have stated here:
Quote to be apart of that kingdom you need to have faith, and that salvation is from god only,he gives to those who put forth faith in the sin atoning sacrifice of his son jesus christ. baptism, and do gods will. and yes the kingdom i agree. matt 11:11,12 – the kingdom of the heavens is the goal toward which men press. that kingdom is the reign of god on earth and he will reside with them on his paradise but to get that kingdom we need to do his will and accept christ There is no salvation other than through what God has done for us in the person of His Only Begotten Son and His Christ. Don't let anyone talk you out of this truth.
Love in Christ,
Marty
Marty,Did God do anything at all for anybody before He sent Jesus?
Quote (bodhitharta @ Nov. 17 2009,13:15) Quote (942767 @ Nov. 17 2009,13:11) Hi Peace2All: You are correct in what you have stated here:
Quote to be apart of that kingdom you need to have faith, and that salvation is from god only,he gives to those who put forth faith in the sin atoning sacrifice of his son jesus christ. baptism, and do gods will. and yes the kingdom i agree. matt 11:11,12 – the kingdom of the heavens is the goal toward which men press. that kingdom is the reign of god on earth and he will reside with them on his paradise but to get that kingdom we need to do his will and accept christ There is no salvation other than through what God has done for us in the person of His Only Begotten Son and His Christ. Don't let anyone talk you out of this truth.
Love in Christ,
Marty
Marty,Did God do anything at all for anybody before He sent Jesus?
Hi BD:All who will be saved from the beginning of creation until the end of the time have sinned, and the blood that Jesus shed is the propitiation for the sins of both those who will be saved from creation until Jesus ministry, and for all who come to God through him since his ministry.
Quote Col 1:12 Giving thanks unto the Father, which hath made us meet to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in light:
Col 1:13 Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated [us] into the kingdom of his dear Son:
Col 1:14 In whom we have redemption through his blood, [even] the forgiveness of sins:
Col 1:18 And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all [things] he might have the preeminence.
Col 1:19 ¶ For it pleased [the Father] that in him should all fulness dwell;
Col 1:20 And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, , whether [they be] things in earth, or things in heavenJhn 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me
Love in Christ,
MartyQuote (bodhitharta @ Nov. 17 2009,13:15) Quote (942767 @ Nov. 17 2009,13:11) Hi Peace2All: You are correct in what you have stated here:
Quote to be apart of that kingdom you need to have faith, and that salvation is from god only,he gives to those who put forth faith in the sin atoning sacrifice of his son jesus christ. baptism, and do gods will. and yes the kingdom i agree. matt 11:11,12 – the kingdom of the heavens is the goal toward which men press. that kingdom is the reign of god on earth and he will reside with them on his paradise but to get that kingdom we need to do his will and accept christ There is no salvation other than through what God has done for us in the person of His Only Begotten Son and His Christ. Don't let anyone talk you out of this truth.
Love in Christ,
Marty
Marty,Did God do anything at all for anybody before He sent Jesus?
regarding the sin part ….read roman 5:12 to end of chapter if ya want . verse 12 reads : just as through one man sin entered into the world and death thru sin and thus death spread to all man because they had all sinned ….verse 19 reads : for just as through the disobedience of one man many were constituted sinners. so in fact we do inherit adams imperfections after his act. no other way to take this verse it to the point you cant fit in any mans ideas to have it sway to ones own opinions but only to gods word. born in sin for we are all sinners. thats why jesus died for us if not nonone could have the chance for salvation.
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