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Quote (Nick Hassan @ Nov. 26 2009,14:20) Hi BD,
No different and it was raised after his death.[Acts 2]
Exactly! Therefore he was raised in the same body.Hi BD,
You are right.
He fulfilled scripture being raised incorrupt from the dead.
Alive in the Spirit of God he is in eternal unity with God and the other anointed ones.Quote (Nick Hassan @ Nov. 26 2009,14:30) Hi BD,
You are right.
He fulfilled scripture being raised incorrupt from the dead.
Alive in the Spirit of God he is in eternal unity with God and the other anointed ones.
Being raised incorrupt? No, the same Body that ate and drankQuote (Nick Hassan @ Nov. 26 2009,15:13) Hi BD,
The same uncorrupted body he died in, full of holes.
He ate and drank with them.
Yes, the same mortal Body that was subject to deathQuote (Nick Hassan @ Nov. 26 2009,16:01) Hi BD,
The same tent he died in.
Yes, According to the scriptures of the BibleHowever God reveals later in the Quran that God saved Jesus from being killed according to His word:
Psalm 91:11-12 (New King James Version)
11 For He shall give His angels charge over you,
To keep you in all your ways.
12 In their hands they shall bear you up,
Lest you dash your foot against a stone.Hi BD,
The quran is the ideas of men.
Jesus did not test this verse when on top of the temple.
And having agonised over his choice let the will of God rule over his in the garden.Quote (Nick Hassan @ Nov. 26 2009,16:20) Hi BD,
The quran is the ideas of men.
Jesus did not test this verse when on top of the temple.
And having agonised over his choice let the will of God rule over his in the garden.
I have no Idea why God gave me this to give you to read but here:Genesis 37:20-22 (King James Version)
20Come now therefore, and let us slay him, and cast him into some pit, and we will say, Some evil beast hath devoured him: and we shall see what will become of his dreams.
21And Reuben heard it, and he delivered him out of their hands; and said, Let us not kill him.
22And Reuben said unto them, Shed no blood, but cast him into this pit that is in the wilderness, and lay no hand upon him; that he might rid him out of their hands, to deliver him to his father again.
And from thenceforth Pilate sought to release him: but the Jews cried out, saying, If thou let this man go, thou art not Caesar's friend: whosoever maketh himself a king speaketh against Caesar.
John 19:11-13Quote (Nick Hassan @ Nov. 26 2009,17:14) Hi BD,
He died.
He died that you might live forever.
What was greater his death or his life?If you say he came to just be crucified what would the rest of the importance of his ministry have been?
For instance I could say that Martin luther King died for civil rights but the fact is he lived for civil rights
Hi BD,
He died that he could live in the Spirit of his God and to open the way for you to do the same.Quote (Nick Hassan @ Nov. 26 2009,17:56) Hi BD,
He died that he could live in the Spirit of his God and to open the way for you to do the same.
Wasn't he living in the Spirit of God anyway?Hi BD,
Since the Jordan the Spirit of God had abided in him with his own spirit.[Rom8.16]His own spirit left him in death and his body stayed in the tomb but along with Abraham, Isaac and Jacob and the men of old he yet lived by the Spirit of God and in that state visited those in the prison of hades.
Then returning in the plan of God by that abiding Spirit he was restored to his tattered original flesh and bones body and again walked the earth till taken up.
Quote (bodhitharta @ Nov. 23 2009,06:53) Quote (Tim Kraft @ Nov. 22 2009,22:18) A thought: Since spirit is eternal and we know it continues on after the physical body dies, then there is no resurrection of the spirit, it never died! The type of resurrection you are talking about could only be the physical body, thats the only part that dies and could be raised.
By this criteria, Lazzrus was resurrected by Jesus. Jesus never did say he would be resurrected. Jesus said, "I am the resurrection and the life"! The words of God, throuth Jesus, are the resurrection from death to life for those who believe. If one believes he is dead in sin then he has not been resurrected to new sinless life. If one believes he is cleansed, sanctified and free of any sin through Jesus, then he is resurrected from death to life. IMO, TK
One thing for certain is resurrection is a physical thing but Lazarus wasn't resurrected he was "raised" from the deadWhat I mean is the context in which these words are used when Jesus talks about people being resurrected he speaks about having a completely new body, Lazarus didn't have a new body and neither did Jesus so they would have been brought back to life in that sense but not in the context of THE RESURRECTION it is clear that Jesus did not have a new body as he showed thomas he was bearing scars
Their old body had not decayed and this shows that in this sense they were resucitated like someone who dies today and is brought back to life with the paddles. In THE RESURRECTION what was completely lost will be made whole again.
Bod: It would be my understanding that the spirit in the soul with mind is an eternal being that never ceases to exist.The physical body transforms back to the earth when the soul & spirit leave it. The spirit(God breath) animates the soul and mind comprehends thought. A being becomes what the mind chooses to believe.
Individuality of being is created by each mind as they see, hear, and accept information. You are what you think you are, as far as you are concerned.
The resurrection of the mind, through the light of God or the information Jesus brought forth, is the process of the mind being born again or recreating itself from physical earthly learning to new spiritual thoughts and beliefs.
The renewing of the mind with spiritual understanding of Gods word is the mental resurrection of self to new life in Christ.
The old physical way of trying to get to God or please or pacify God is passed. The new way of spirit in the truth is at hand. God/Spirit in you. Jesus gave us Gods spirit words. This is the life of God within each that accepts the new way of faith. Actually it is the original way of righteousness.
The first way became the last and the last is as the first!
We originally passed from life to death by Adams choice. The choice was not a sin! What he believed caused the sin. He believed a lie of evil. There was only good/God so evil was a lie. He was told that if he believed or partook of the belief in evil he would die.
Believing always comes first. A response or action to the belief comes second. Adams response to accepting the belief in evil was that God was angry. They both feared for the first time.
Adam never said he was sorry. Adam never ask forgivness. They both began to fear God and try to ammend the situation.
Man has mostly separated himself from God, from then till now.
God never left man. Man believed incorrectly that he was not in union with God any more. Man left God. So death reigned until Christ, the truth came to shine the light.Jesus came to save us from our own destruction. We believed in sin. Salvation is the truth. Jesus came to give us new life. To tell us the truth. Show us the way. Resurrect us back from death to life in him.
Jesus preached the acceptable year of the lord. The jubilee. The truth that God is within. The Kingdom of God was at hand.
No more service, rituals, new moons, sabbaths, tithing, offerings, sacrifices et.al. to attempt to appease God.
This is some of my opinions of the new testament ways of Christ. Just for provoking thought in those on this site. I highly respect the great wisdom I have seen on this site.
Blssings to all, TK
Quote (bodhitharta @ Nov. 26 2009,17:41) Quote (Nick Hassan @ Nov. 26 2009,17:14) Hi BD,
He died.
He died that you might live forever.
What was greater his death or his life?If you say he came to just be crucified what would the rest of the importance of his ministry have been?
For instance I could say that Martin luther King died for civil rights but the fact is he lived for civil rights
there you go again. what does that question have to do wit hanything!!!what was greater his life or death. whay do yuo do that. your fooling only yourself. BD you've been shown scriptures that tell you yuor answer to that ransom sacrifice.
GOD is not having you try to disprove HIS inspired word!!! nobody said he came just to be crucified. he came here NOT ONLY to teach us gods word but to SHOW US how to live it.
He SHOWED us how to be merciful, how to love one another,how to preach and pray correctly. He taught a lot.
your trying to disprove gods inspired words when they give you the answer to questions is messed up.
The bible tells you all about his ransom and i know ive given you some scriptures.
If it wasn't needed or not important as yuo claim then why is it in th bible telling you that he did it and what it did for mankind. HUH? its there, unless yuo shut your eyes thats the only way you wont see thoses scriptures.
your EX listed is both correct in itself. he did live for it and thus his death was casued by his living for it, so he did live and die for it.
AS did Christ. he came to live on earth for to helpo us and died helping us. ressurection would not be if not for him so there are so many aspects that are included from his WONDERFUL ransom sacrifice showing how much how much he and god love us.
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