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Quote (peace2all @ Dec. 06 2009,09:35) Quote (bodhitharta @ Dec. 05 2009,18:34) Quote (banana @ Dec. 05 2009,16:07) bod No, it means because of their unbelief, God opened the door to the rest of the world.
Jhn 10:16 And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.
If you say that any one is saved by any other way but Jesus, the bible would not be true.
Georg
As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the father's sakes.
Romans 11:27-29If you believe the bible is true you have to believe that it is those who are enemies of the Gospel the very ones who reject Jesus as Christ that are beloved by God and will be saved without believing in Jesus.
Come on you are reading the same thing I am and there is no room for private interpretation
thats funny you say that BOD cuz thats what you've done to every converstation we've had.how can you say you beleive in jesus when you say christ ransom sacrifice was not needed and ment nothing.
you shame jesus by not accepting him as your savior for his ransom sacrifice as stated in the bible. for only through him having done that do we.
he was sent by god to convey and show us his fathers will. that is not what saved mankind from adams sin that caused us to be sinners in gods eyes. jesus ransom sacrifice is what was used to make us all sons in god's eyes and given us the ressurection hope and not have sin shut us out from gods gift of what was his plan for mankind from the begininng. inhabit the earh, subdue it, live forever under his kingdom.
Jesus would disagree with you as he said:I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.
Luke 5:31-33When Jesus heard it, he saith unto them, They that are whole have no need of the physician, but they that are sick: I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.
Mark 2:16-18But go ye and learn what that meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice: for I am not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.[/B]
Matthew 9:12-143 witnesses that say that Jesus came to call sinners to repent not to die for sins as a sacrifice.
For godly sorrow worketh repentance to salvation not to be repented of: but the sorrow of the world worketh death.
2 Corinthians 7:9-11Quote (bodhitharta @ Dec. 06 2009,09:50) Quote (peace2all @ Dec. 06 2009,09:35) Quote (bodhitharta @ Dec. 05 2009,18:34) Quote (banana @ Dec. 05 2009,16:07) bod No, it means because of their unbelief, God opened the door to the rest of the world.
Jhn 10:16 And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.
If you say that any one is saved by any other way but Jesus, the bible would not be true.
Georg
As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the father's sakes.
Romans 11:27-29If you believe the bible is true you have to believe that it is those who are enemies of the Gospel the very ones who reject Jesus as Christ that are beloved by God and will be saved without believing in Jesus.
Come on you are reading the same thing I am and there is no room for private interpretation
thats funny you say that BOD cuz thats what you've done to every converstation we've had.how can you say you beleive in jesus when you say christ ransom sacrifice was not needed and ment nothing.
you shame jesus by not accepting him as your savior for his ransom sacrifice as stated in the bible. for only through him having done that do we.
he was sent by god to convey and show us his fathers will. that is not what saved mankind from adams sin that caused us to be sinners in gods eyes. jesus ransom sacrifice is what was used to make us all sons in god's eyes and given us the ressurection hope and not have sin shut us out from gods gift of what was his plan for mankind from the begininng. inhabit the earh, subdue it, live forever under his kingdom.
Jesus would disagree with you as he said:I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.
Luke 5:31-33When Jesus heard it, he saith unto them, They that are whole have no need of the physician, but they that are sick: I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.
Mark 2:16-18But go ye and learn what that meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice: for I am not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.[/B]
Matthew 9:12-143 witnesses that say that Jesus came to call sinners to repent not to die for sins as a sacrifice.
For godly sorrow worketh repentance to salvation not to be repented of: but the sorrow of the world worketh death.
2 Corinthians 7:9-11
?? that does not talk about him doing his fathers will and the ransom sacrifice to man. IT DOES NOT TALK ABOUT THE TOPIC WITH REFERENCE TO ANY OF IT.that doesn't talk about the subject at hand.
ARE YOU KIDDING ME!
show me a scripture that says he did'nt need to do it and ment nothing and is not important since that is yuor stance.
HERES MY SCRIPTURES – NOTICE HOW THEY TALK ABOUT THE SUBJECT AT HAND AND PERTAINING TO TOPIC WITH REFERENCE TO TOPIC.
romans 5:8-15
but god demonstrated his own love toward us in that we were all sinners christ died for usmuch more then having now been justified by his blood we shall be saved from wrath through him
for if when we were enemies we were reconciled t ogod through the death of his son, much more having been reconciled we shall be saved by his life
and not only that but when we also rejoice in god through out lord jesus christ, through whom we have now received reconcilialtion
therefore just as through one man sin entered into the world and death thru sin and thus death spread to all men, because all sinned.
for until the law sin was in hte world but sin was not imputed when there is no law
nevertheless death reighned from adam to moses even under those who had nnot sinned according t oteh likeness of the transgression of adam who is a type of him who was to come
but hte free gift is not like the offense. for if by the one man's offense many died, much more grace of god and the gift by the grace of the one man, jesus christ abounded to many
and the gift is not like tht which came through the one who sinned. for th ejudgement came from one offense resulted in condemnation. but hte free gift of rightousness will reign through the one jesus christ.
THOSE SCRIPTURES EVEN TIE IN NICELY ABOUT ADAMS SIN AND HOW IT WAS PASSED ON WHICH YOU ALSO DENY.
1 JOHN 1:7 ((((( but if we walk in the light as he is in the light, we have fellowship wit hone another,AND THE BLOOD OF JESUS CHRIST HIS SON CLEANSES US FROM ALL SIN.))))))
MATTHEW 20:28 (((( JUST AS THE SON OF MAN DID NOT COME TO BE SERVED, BUT TO SERVE AND TO GIVE HIS LIFE, A RANSOM TO MANY))))))
1PETER 1:18,((( KNOWING THAT YOU WERE NOT REDEEMED WITH CORRUPTABLE THINGS, LIKE SILVER OR GOLD, FROM YOUR AIMLESS CONDUCT RECEIVED BY TRADITION FROM YOUR FATHERS. BUT WIT HTEH PRECIOUS BLOOD OF CHRIST, AS A LAMB WITHOUT BLEMISH NAD WITHOUT SPOT.
EPHESIANS 1:7 in him we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins,according to teh riches of his grace
i got more!!! there you have it. these are only some scriptures that shed truth to your eyes with reference to teh topic only, it is clearly shown to you. the topic is clear and is about our very topic of conversation. nothing else. it clearly says just what it means. no cut nad paste no off topic subject .
i got more if you still deny
Quote (bodhitharta @ Dec. 05 2009,15:00) They have moved me to jealousy with that which is not God; they have provoked me to anger with their vanities: and I will move them to jealousy with those which are not a people; I will provoke them to anger with a foolish nation.
Deuteronomy 32:20-22But I say, Did not Israel know? First Moses saith, I will provoke you to jealousy by them that are no people, and by a foolish nation I will anger you.
Romans 10:18-20Now many who are Christians say that God is triune or God is Christ and if they were correct the Jews would be happy but they are not and the reason is when they see these false beliefs it makes them angry but they themselves use to go chasing other gods and worshiping Idols
Jesus said Salvation comes by way of the Jew and Paul says that the way of the Jew itself had become full of unbelief and therefore God allowed those who had not believed previously a way(Jesus) to believe and be accepted therefore concluding all in unbelief on one hand and belief through Faith on the other hand whether it be faith in the Gospel or Faith in God in spite of the Gospel
Today you will not see Jews worshiping Idols anymore and it is because of the wayward beliefs of most Christians that remind them of how not to worship God.
Islam's worship of God is exact parallel of The Jews they worship no Images nor do they put any partners with God this is the way of The Jews, The Way of Jesus and The Way of Islam
One thing i have to say, Islam has a solid foundation, Muslims are tough, they dont give up easily on their faith, Just from what iv observedChristianity, iv seen people come and go -easily. It can be weak.
I believe Jesus is working amonst the muslims right now
I believe the foundations worked on are strong.
And the parable of the sower comes to mind,
Quote (karmarie @ Dec. 06 2009,12:24) Quote (bodhitharta @ Dec. 05 2009,15:00) They have moved me to jealousy with that which is not God; they have provoked me to anger with their vanities: and I will move them to jealousy with those which are not a people; I will provoke them to anger with a foolish nation.
Deuteronomy 32:20-22But I say, Did not Israel know? First Moses saith, I will provoke you to jealousy by them that are no people, and by a foolish nation I will anger you.
Romans 10:18-20Now many who are Christians say that God is triune or God is Christ and if they were correct the Jews would be happy but they are not and the reason is when they see these false beliefs it makes them angry but they themselves use to go chasing other gods and worshiping Idols
Jesus said Salvation comes by way of the Jew and Paul says that the way of the Jew itself had become full of unbelief and therefore God allowed those who had not believed previously a way(Jesus) to believe and be accepted therefore concluding all in unbelief on one hand and belief through Faith on the other hand whether it be faith in the Gospel or Faith in God in spite of the Gospel
Today you will not see Jews worshiping Idols anymore and it is because of the wayward beliefs of most Christians that remind them of how not to worship God.
Islam's worship of God is exact parallel of The Jews they worship no Images nor do they put any partners with God this is the way of The Jews, The Way of Jesus and The Way of Islam
One thing i have to say, Islam has a solid foundation, Muslims are tough, they dont give up easily on their faith, Just from what iv observedChristianity, iv seen people come and go -easily. It can be weak.
I believe Jesus is working amonst the muslims right now
I believe the foundations worked on are strong.
And the parable of the sower comes to mind,
jesus is for all mankind. wanting all to be ruled under his fathers kingdom living forever in peace and harmony and without disease and death. his plan for man is the same from the start. from the beginnig of the bible to the end his plan for man is still going to happen nothing has changed.if you do gods will and have faith in jesus as our only savior for his shedding of blood in our behalf . repent from our sins, preach and spread gods good news and make disciples then your doing just that .. gods will. thats waht is told in hte bible.
however if you actions and beliefs are of mans anad gods your not doing gods will completely. one cannot do the works of the world and enter into gods kingdom.
that means no pagan solstice holiday worship. no cross/idol/icon/image worship. no man made doctrines trinity, no standing behind a religion that endorses or stands nehind going to war. no worshiping any other god or gods
anything detestable to god. one can make mistakes and learn and grow and repent and not be a evil, bad person. truthful seek the good news and live to it and wordhip god through spiritual works not works of flesh.
Quote (karmarie @ Dec. 06 2009,12:24) Quote (bodhitharta @ Dec. 05 2009,15:00) They have moved me to jealousy with that which is not God; they have provoked me to anger with their vanities: and I will move them to jealousy with those which are not a people; I will provoke them to anger with a foolish nation.
Deuteronomy 32:20-22But I say, Did not Israel know? First Moses saith, I will provoke you to jealousy by them that are no people, and by a foolish nation I will anger you.
Romans 10:18-20Now many who are Christians say that God is triune or God is Christ and if they were correct the Jews would be happy but they are not and the reason is when they see these false beliefs it makes them angry but they themselves use to go chasing other gods and worshiping Idols
Jesus said Salvation comes by way of the Jew and Paul says that the way of the Jew itself had become full of unbelief and therefore God allowed those who had not believed previously a way(Jesus) to believe and be accepted therefore concluding all in unbelief on one hand and belief through Faith on the other hand whether it be faith in the Gospel or Faith in God in spite of the Gospel
Today you will not see Jews worshiping Idols anymore and it is because of the wayward beliefs of most Christians that remind them of how not to worship God.
Islam's worship of God is exact parallel of The Jews they worship no Images nor do they put any partners with God this is the way of The Jews, The Way of Jesus and The Way of Islam
One thing i have to say, Islam has a solid foundation, Muslims are tough, they dont give up easily on their faith, Just from what iv observedChristianity, iv seen people come and go -easily. It can be weak.
I believe Jesus is working amonst the muslims right now
I believe the foundations worked on are strong.
And the parable of the sower comes to mind,
from what i've seen muslims beleive jesus as not very important and less than what gods inpired words tells us.
mohammad is more important than jesus. funny how he's not in the bible!!good thing is they don't beleive in the trinity.. good 4 them, however they only accept certain parts of the bible.. thts a no no.
the bible clearly states that works of flesh cannt save, yet they beleive that. mind you its good to want to do right even if its not the thing that is responsible for it, its good to do that
they believe the koran is better than gods inspired word. tisk tisk
thing is the bible clearly is the inspired words of god, and it clearly tells one who is really seeking it that those things the muslims do not beleive are actually wrong.
so muslims need to stoptrying to save face and if thy are shown gods words to prove things to be true then you best accept it.
god says jesus is his son. many times. accept it! mans own opinions don't matter and wont save you.
agreed to first post however you bet me on posting before your second post!
On the second post, faith without deeds is dead
Those doing the will of the father
and who is the WORD of God? A book? No, it is Jesus. So I prefer to depend more on Gods spirit to lead and teach.
And I agree Jesus is Gods son, and this is where Jesus is leading them,
the foundations are still strong
Quote (karmarie @ Dec. 06 2009,13:14) agreed to first post however you bet me on posting before your second post! On the second post, faith without deeds is dead
Those doing the will of the father
and who is the WORD of God? A book? No, it is Jesus. So I prefer to depend more on Gods spirit to lead and teach.
And I agree Jesus is Gods son, and this is where Jesus is leading them,
the foundations are still strong
gods inspired words are the scriptures (the bible).
jesus is the word of god in regards to – he spoke for god, delivering messages and works that his father willed for him to do. he came to earth to convey gods good news and his kingdom.he is also gods only begotten son. the firstborn of all creation.
the bible clearly explains this to all who read it and wanting a better understanding of his word.
the bible clearly says he sent his only begotten son. he came to teach and preach and show us gods will . showed us how to do it. he also shed his blood for mankind. its all in the bible.
to say he is basically nobody is just nonsense.
the bible says he was with god in the begining and not some regular man made from the dust as we are. he is clearly very important.
to say muhammad is more important or higher than jesus is sickening.
the quran is not gods inspired words anyways.
the only ones who say Jesus is nobody is -not christians -or muslims
If they had a revelation that Jesus is the son of God and more than just a prophet, I would become a Muslim -today.
bodhitharta
abd al muttalib vowed to sacrifice his son to Allah, for twelve more sons so the well may be dug quicker, the sooth sayer replaces the vow with camels, which by the end of the day the whole town feast on camels flesh.
this is part of your tradition/readings yes?
Quote (karmarie @ Dec. 06 2009,14:23) the only ones who say Jesus is nobody is -not christians -or muslims If they had a revelation that Jesus is the son of God and more than just a prophet, I would become a Muslim -today.
they believe jesus as only a prophet and not gods son.that muhammad is more important than jesus, even though he's not in the bible.
jesus as being our savior is not true. nor do we need to have faith in him and accept him as it.
they only believe some scriptures, but put the quran ahead of god's good news his inspired word the bible.
so why would you wanna be one??
i do like that they don't belive in the trinity and cross worship though. thts kinda a plus. most other religions teach those. so truely.. it does matter what religion you are to god..
its funny, my girlfriends was rasied luthern, i tiold her we should start to learn and take in gods word into our lives but i told her that i don't beleive in hte trinity doctrine , tht god and jesus and holy spirit is the same. that they are one.
she goes, they didn't teach that to me, i said yes thats what they beleive. she looks all confused and says, why do they teach jesus is gods son.
i smiled and said THANK YOU. my point. it kinda made her mad alittle and wanted to automatically save face, so she wasnt told shes wrong or look stupid but that not needed, its good to learn and have the truth be told to you.
right?
i think people don't always pay attention enough to see that things taught are not always god's teachings.
Quote (peace2all @ Dec. 06 2009,12:12) Quote (bodhitharta @ Dec. 06 2009,09:50) Quote (peace2all @ Dec. 06 2009,09:35) Quote (bodhitharta @ Dec. 05 2009,18:34) Quote (banana @ Dec. 05 2009,16:07) bod No, it means because of their unbelief, God opened the door to the rest of the world.
Jhn 10:16 And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.
If you say that any one is saved by any other way but Jesus, the bible would not be true.
Georg
As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the father's sakes.
Romans 11:27-29If you believe the bible is true you have to believe that it is those who are enemies of the Gospel the very ones who reject Jesus as Christ that are beloved by God and will be saved without believing in Jesus.
Come on you are reading the same thing I am and there is no room for private interpretation
thats funny you say that BOD cuz thats what you've done to every converstation we've had.how can you say you beleive in jesus when you say christ ransom sacrifice was not needed and ment nothing.
you shame jesus by not accepting him as your savior for his ransom sacrifice as stated in the bible. for only through him having done that do we.
he was sent by god to convey and show us his fathers will. that is not what saved mankind from adams sin that caused us to be sinners in gods eyes. jesus ransom sacrifice is what was used to make us all sons in god's eyes and given us the ressurection hope and not have sin shut us out from gods gift of what was his plan for mankind from the begininng. inhabit the earh, subdue it, live forever under his kingdom.
Jesus would disagree with you as he said:I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.
Luke 5:31-33When Jesus heard it, he saith unto them, They that are whole have no need of the physician, but they that are sick: I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.
Mark 2:16-18But go ye and learn what that meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice: for I am not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.[/B]
Matthew 9:12-143 witnesses that say that Jesus came to call sinners to repent not to die for sins as a sacrifice.
For godly sorrow worketh repentance to salvation not to be repented of: but the sorrow of the world worketh death.
2 Corinthians 7:9-11
?? that does not talk about him doing his fathers will and the ransom sacrifice to man. IT DOES NOT TALK ABOUT THE TOPIC WITH REFERENCE TO ANY OF IT.that doesn't talk about the subject at hand.
ARE YOU KIDDING ME!
show me a scripture that says he did'nt need to do it and ment nothing and is not important since that is yuor stance.
HERES MY SCRIPTURES – NOTICE HOW THEY TALK ABOUT THE SUBJECT AT HAND AND PERTAINING TO TOPIC WITH REFERENCE TO TOPIC.
romans 5:8-15
but god demonstrated his own love toward us in that we were all sinners christ died for usmuch more then having now been justified by his blood we shall be saved from wrath through him
for if when we were enemies we were reconciled t ogod through the death of his son, much more having been reconciled we shall be saved by his life
and not only that but when we also rejoice in god through out lord jesus christ, through whom we have now received reconcilialtion
therefore just as through one man sin entered into the world and death thru sin and thus death spread to all men, because all sinned.
for until the law sin was in hte world but sin was not imputed when there is no law
nevertheless death reighned from adam to moses even under those who had nnot sinned according t oteh likeness of the transgression of adam who is a type of him who was to come
but hte free gift is not like the offense. for if by the one man's offense many died, much more grace of god and the gift by the grace of the one man, jesus christ abounded to many
and the gift is not like tht which came through the one who sinned. for th ejudgement came from one offense resulted in condemnation. but hte free gift of rightousness will reign through the one jesus christ.
THOSE SCRIPTURES EVEN TIE IN NICELY ABOUT ADAMS SIN AND HOW IT WAS PASSED ON WHICH YOU ALSO DENY.
1 JOHN 1:7 ((((( but if we walk in the light as he is in the light, we have fellowship wit hone another,AND THE BLOOD OF JESUS CHRIST HIS SON CLEANSES US FROM ALL SIN.))))))
MATTHEW 20:28 (((( JUST AS THE SON OF MAN DID NOT COME TO BE SERVED, BUT TO SERVE AND TO GIVE HIS LIFE, A RANSOM TO MANY))))))
1PETER 1:18,((( KNOWING THAT YOU WERE NOT REDEEMED WITH CORRUPTABLE THINGS, LIKE SILVER OR GOLD, FROM YOUR AIMLESS CONDUCT RECEIVED BY TRADITION FROM YOUR FATHERS. BUT WIT HTEH PRECIOUS BLOOD OF CHRIST, AS A LAMB WITHOUT BLEMISH NAD WITHOUT SPOT.
EPHESIANS 1:7 in him we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins,according to teh riches of his grace
i got more!!! there you have it. these are only some scriptures that shed truth to your eyes with reference to teh topic only, it is clearly shown to you. the topic is clear and is about our very topic of conversation. nothing else. it clearly says just what it means. no cut nad paste no off topic subject .
i got more if you still deny
come on BOD try to disprove or deny that. read it up there above this. come on. thats the problem with you , you have to use the whole bible not just some of the books in it.you can't use some scriptures then us the quran. whatever its called.
thats not how it works. the bible is god's inspired words.
Peace2all, what i admire about Islam is submission to God, which is what Islam means. Gods will not our own. Living to obey God not the world. Faith in God. Just Jesus is missing, Please Islam change that!
I believe Jesus is working on thier foundation though. They are having dreams and visions by the thousands of Jesus Amen
I feel its all part of some bigger picture.
Quote (karmarie @ Dec. 06 2009,15:01) Peace2all, what i admire about Islam is submission to God, which is what Islam means. Gods will not our own. Living to obey God not the world. Faith in God. Just Jesus is missing, Please Islam change that! I believe Jesus is working on thier foundation though. They are having dreams and visions by the thousands of Jesus Amen
I feel its all part of some bigger picture.
they don't beleive in all of god's word. you can't use some of the scriptures then uphold the quran over it. they beleive that your actions are what saves you, not jesus having made our sins forgiven. the bible says our works are not ever going to lead to our salvation.they are not going to change islam is islam is islam.
recap – don't believe jesus as god's son
don't believe jesus as our savior
don't believe in all the bible.hold muhammad over jesus
hold quran over bible.
mans actions what saves you not christ.not good enough though. can't do it half way. sorry.
you might like a few things about it but thats not what god wants.
i'm running out of religions to want to be associated with since they so far are all teaching mans doctrines
one cannot do it alone.
Quote (peace2all @ Dec. 06 2009,15:15) i'm running out of religions to want to be associated with since they so far are all teaching mans doctrines one cannot do it alone.
Agreewe do not need to do it alone tho- we can with God
Quote (karmarie @ Dec. 06 2009,15:01) Peace2all, what i admire about Islam is submission to God, which is what Islam means. Gods will not our own. Living to obey God not the world. Faith in God. Just Jesus is missing, Please Islam change that! I believe Jesus is working on thier foundation though. They are having dreams and visions by the thousands of Jesus Amen
I feel its all part of some bigger picture.
i am going to be honest. i am not affiliated with any religion. i have taken this journey by myself gettting to know all things from different views., i bought 7 different bibles. i said bibles, to be able to see if one is different than another. so far they are basically the same. no varation to lead one to come to a different conclusion after reading.
i had noticed that only two bible use god's name though and the rest use GOD or LORD. this bothers me becasue it is in the bible, so it should be used.
the hebrew scriptures showed both yet the only one thats totally translated over was jesus. yhwh is there, gods name yet they decided not to use it. that seems wrong.
the exact translation may be off a little but im sure its close to what it shows.
around 1950 the dead sea scrolls were found, they were books of th hebrew scriptures dateing from 100-200 years before jesus. one book was isaiah. before this was found the oldest book of isaiah was one tht ws written about 1000 years after jesus, when they were compared there were only very small differences, most of which were variations in spelling. so more than a 1000 years apart they are virtually the same.
i have talked to many peoples of all religions so far. i've analized scriptures and how religions view and teach things.
i don't believe in the trinity – that means basically all christian religions are out.
i don't believe in cross worship or any idol or image or statue – thats takes away catholic church.i don't think that jesus was just a man and only a prophet. i believe in the whole bible.
i beleive jesus as my savior
that takes out islami believe we are to stay away from detestable things to god. false worship. so any celebration to pagan worship/holidays solstice worship is out of the question.
that pagan worship, pagan tradition, mans tradition is a no no . thats what made the gods chosen people to loose gods favor. worshiping false gods. thats what holidays are. solstice worship to other gods.
don't know what else to look at really.
hindu's have many gods. buddist is not bible related.
i honestly have only jehovahs witness to look at right now.
im hesitant because everyone bashes them for not wanting to go to war and kill. for not wanting to celebrate pagan god worship/holidays. for not believing in the trinity. for not believing in cross worship.they use gods name even though its in the bible. they try to live in the world but not part of the world. they try to put god first in their life nad believe jesus as there savior. they beleive gods purpose is for man to live on earth and subdue it and live forever without sickness and death under god's kingdom praising the only true god giving him glory only.
geez those are all good things and teachings in the bible. things i see through scripture. hmmm
i have truely opened up and listened to all. one needs to use a check list to see who teaches what and thus narrow down what god wants by wht is expressed in the bible.
i did and i'm left with one path.gonna keep looking but i think baptists teach trinity, so do all nondenomination religion.
everything else has mans doctrines and ungodly things taught or accepted.
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