What is truth

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TK,

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Jesus never once told us to watch out and beware what we eat. In fact he said that what goes into the mouth ends up in the latrine! He said the opposite, go in to the villiages and whosoever accepts you stay with them, EATING AND DRINKING WHATEVER THEY GIVE YOU! That does not sound like a warning of certain foods.

I guess it all boils down to HOW MUCH we eat then.

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Don't say to your fast food burger, look at this, a heart attack on a bun….and then eat it. Bless the good food and eat and enjoy

Oh I do (enjoy it) don't you worry! ..when we do.

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Smoke and enjoy with thanksgiving

Haha, that sounds so wrong TK. Thats like the rastafarians who smoke marujuana for spiritual reasons! lol.
Your post does have things to ponder though.
Bless you too TK.

March 29, 2011 at 10:52 pm#241146

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To all,

I believe it's true, that its not so much what we do in regards to eating and so forth….nor what we believe in regards to doctrine…but as the verse says in Hebrews 4:12; “For the word of God is living, and active, and sharper than any two-edged sword, and piercing even to the dividing of soul and spirit, of both joints and marrow, and is able to discern the thoughts and intentions of the heart.”

I believe this (as the title of this thread) is truth, for me it is anyway.

I seriously believe that even amongst Islam there will be good people, and that God is amazingly appearing to them as Dreams and Visions of Jesus.

I believe searching for truth as in doctrine is a waste of time, as God reveals the truth to us in his own time, not ours. And the rest of the time is better spent sharing Gods love and plan for mankind with others.

March 29, 2011 at 11:43 pm#241147

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Quote (karmarie @ Mar. 30 2011,16:52)

To all,

I believe this (as the title of this thread) is truth, for me it is anyway.

I seriously believe that even amongst Islam there will be good people, and that God is amazingly appearing to them as Dreams and Visions of Jesus.

Karmarie

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this is totally false;no one can come to God otherwise than trough Christ ,and if you do not know Christ how then can you benefit from his sacrifice

Heb 11:1 Now faith is being sure of what we hope for and certain of what we do not see.
Heb 11:2 This is what the ancients were commended for.
Heb 11:3 By faith we understand that the universe was formed at God’s command, so that what is seen was not made out of what was visible

how can someone have faith in someone they do not know

Heb 12:1 Therefore, since we are surrounded by such a great cloud of witnesses, let us throw off everything that hinders and the sin that so easily entangles, and let us run with perseverance the race marked out for us.

the above recommendation can not be done unless we have knowledge of God,s son .

Pierre

March 30, 2011 at 12:48 am#241155

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Karmarie

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I agree and disagree, while I believe that only God can provide the revelation to truths we are told to “be diligent to present thyself approved to God — a workman irreproachable, rightly dividing the word of the truth”. In other words I believe we are responsible to read the scripture, but it is God in His time who will give us understanding. I have read the same scripture for decades and have received many layers of truth over time.

My opinion – Wm

March 30, 2011 at 1:48 am#241162

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Pierre,

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this is totally false;no one can come to God otherwise than through Christ ,and if you do not know Christ how then can you benefit from his sacrifice

Do you believe that Abraham was saved by his faith alone?

Did Abraham believe in Jesus?

I believe Abraham was saved by his faith, but it was the sacrifice of Jesus that paid the price for him.

I believe that Jesus' sacrifice paid for the sins of all mankind and is applied as per-scribed by God to any who would be saved.

My opinion – Wm

March 30, 2011 at 3:07 am#241168

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Hi Pierre and Seeking.

Here are some thing's that I think are important;

1) Trusting God to show us who he is – not man.

2) Making sure that everyone who we meet and know knows what we believe.
And being a good example,

3) Being humble and meek to all.

4) If you havent been baptised then perhaps being baptised, but I'm not sure on that.

I believe, now, that the only way we can learn is through dialoguing with those of other faiths. (Once the walls go up it's not the same…love thy neighbour as thyself).

It's just what I'v come to learn, and is only my opinion.

March 30, 2011 at 3:23 am#241171

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Quote (seekingtruth @ Mar. 30 2011,19:48)

Pierre,

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this is totally false;no one can come to God otherwise than through Christ ,and if you do not know Christ how then can you benefit from his sacrifice

Do you believe that Abraham was saved by his faith alone?

Did Abraham believe in Jesus?

I believe Abraham was saved by his faith, but it was the sacrifice of Jesus that paid the price for him.

I believe that Jesus' sacrifice paid for the sins of all mankind and is applied as per-scribed by God to any who would be saved.

My opinion – Wm

Hi ST

how you doing long time not talk to you,

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Do you believe that Abraham was saved by his faith alone?

I was talking since Christ ,Abraham talked with the angel of God,

and he trusted Gods word.

so are many others before Christ.

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I believe that Jesus' sacrifice paid for the sins of all mankind and is applied as per-scribed by God to any who would be saved.

this in a sense is right ,because many will be judged in the second resurrection and be saved,trough Christ sacrifice.

Christ died once for all.

Pierre

March 30, 2011 at 3:26 am#241172

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Quote (karmarie @ Mar. 30 2011,21:07)

Hi Pierre and Seeking.

Here are some thing's that I think are important;

1) Trusting God to show us who he is – not man.

2) Making sure that everyone who we meet and know knows what we believe.
And being a good example,

3) Being humble and meek to all.

4) If you havent been baptised then perhaps being baptised, but I'm not sure on that.

I believe, now, that the only way we can learn is through dialoguing with those of other faiths. (Once the walls go up it's not the same…love thy neighbour as thyself).

It's just what I'v come to learn, and is only my opinion.

Karmarie

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It's just what I'v come to learn, and is only my opinion

this is what you are standing for,and so be judge on by God,are you comfortable with it ?? I wont but I am not you right

Pierre

March 30, 2011 at 3:36 am#241173

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What part do you disagree with Pierre? (and theres no need to bold something such as that).

March 30, 2011 at 4:14 am#241178

kerwin

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Quote (Tim Kraft @ Mar. 29 2011,16:31)

Kerwin: “It is a self-destructive urge that comes out of your heart that is sinful”! I would like to know what scriptures you have found in the New Testament that support that comment. Sadly, we have to make up “sins” because they are not listed. How can we have sin within us if we are the Holy Temple of God? God does not dwell in sin. There is no sin in God!! Jesus took away our sin. Nailed it to the cross. Jesus took away the sin of the whole world, not just yours. If Jesus spoke the spirit words of God(which he did) and said we are cleansed by the words of God then it would be blasphemy unto God to rise above God and say, no, I am unclean. This I don't understand from a true man of God. TK

Love your neighbor as yourself is the command. Self-destruction violates that law as it is self hatred. An individual who loves themselves as God loves them does not make the pleasures of smoking an idol but prioritizing them more that the love of themselves and/or others. Gluttony, laziness, and other sins fall under the same general principle of violating loving yourself as God loves you.

Acknowleging a sinful desire is one step to overcomming. Felling a godly remorse for having commited that sin is another step. Cofessing you sin and summitting yourself to God's will in yet another step. If you have done this then God is faithful and just and will cleanse you of all unrighteousness.

There is only one general sin and that is violating the law of love your neighbor as God loves you. As you learn to obey that more and more you will be maturing in Christ and your sins will be put under your feet even more and more.

March 30, 2011 at 4:19 am#241179

kerwin

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To all,

Perhaps someone should start a thread about self hatred and how it violates the law of love your neighbor as yourself in the Tradition v. Truth thread as this is a doctrinal issue. I would myself but I am working on some other threads at this time. That would be a more apropriate place to carry on the current conversation.

March 30, 2011 at 4:22 am#241180

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Quote (karmarie @ Mar. 30 2011,11:07)

Hi Pierre and Seeking.

Here are some thing's that I think are important;

1) Trusting God to show us who he is – not man.

2) Making sure that everyone who we meet and know knows what we believe.
And being a good example,

3) Being humble and meek to all.

4) If you havent been baptised then perhaps being baptised, but I'm not sure on that.

I believe, now, that the only way we can learn is through dialoguing with those of other faiths. (Once the walls go up it's not the same…love thy neighbour as thyself).

It's just what I'v come to learn, and is only my opinion.

karmarie,
I agree

Romans 10:14 How then shall they call on Him in whom they have not believed? And how shall they believe in Him of whom they have not heard? And how shall they hear without a preacher?

They need to “know what we believe. And being a good example,” is very important what we do, demonstrates what we really believe.

My opinion – Wm

March 30, 2011 at 4:35 am#241181

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Quote (karmarie @ Mar. 30 2011,21:36)

What part do you disagree with Pierre? (and theres no need to bold something such as that).

hi Karmarie

I try to practice my new gadgets,

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I believe, now, that the only way we can learn is through dialoguing with those of other faiths. (Once the walls go up it's not the same…love thy neighbour as thyself).

in item one;1) Trusting God to show us who he is – not man.

this can not be done unless you have acquired a good knowledge of the God you are worshiping.

your item ;2) Making sure that everyone who we meet and know knows what we believe.
And being a good example

this also rely s on very good knowledge .

so to seek other religion faith and interact with them could bring you to doubt in your own faith,

the Israelites where advised By God not to mix with the nation believe ,so have the apostles.

we first have to clean our self before we can help clean someone else,other wise we may bring scandals on the name of God and his son.

Pierre

March 30, 2011 at 4:42 am#241185

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Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 30 2011,11:23)

Hi ST

how you doing long time not talk to you,

Pierre,
God is truly blessing us while seeing us through trials.

Went to Chicago for a meeting last week and hit a chuck of metal on I94, it blew my tire out at over 75mph, but I pulled over safely to the side of the road. An emergency van a few hundred yards ahead waved me up. when I got there he pulled equipment out of his van jacked it up, pulled the tire off faster than I could get the spare out. He then put my spare on faster than I could put the flat tire away. I was on my way again in less then 5 min. and made my meeting right on time.

Thanks for asking – Wm

March 30, 2011 at 4:48 am#241188

kerwin

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Quote (seekingtruth @ Mar. 30 2011,10:42)

Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 30 2011,11:23)

Hi ST

how you doing long time not talk to you,

Pierre,
God is truly blessing us while seeing us through trials.

Thanks for asking – Wm

I am glad God spared you in so many ways.

March 30, 2011 at 5:02 am#241192

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Quote (seekingtruth @ Mar. 30 2011,22:42)

Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 30 2011,11:23)

Hi ST

how you doing long time not talk to you,

Pierre,
God is truly blessing us while seeing us through trials.

Thanks for asking – Wm

Pierre

March 30, 2011 at 9:43 am#241217

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Hi Pierre,

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in item one;1) Trusting God to show us who he is – not man.

this can not be done unless you have acquired a good knowledge of the God you are worshiping.

By scripture prayer and listening to God not man.

Listening to people just makes it confusing IMO.

Jeremiah 17:5 “Thus saith the LORD; Cursed [be] the man that trusteth in man, and maketh flesh his arm, and whose heart departeth from the LORD.”

But God is forgiving.

Malachi 3:7 “Return unto me, and I will return unto you, saith the LORD of hosts.”

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so to seek other religion faith and interact with them could bring you to doubt in your own faith,

I disagree. It only strengthens it more IMO

March 30, 2011 at 9:50 am#241219

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Quote (seekingtruth @ Mar. 30 2011,18:22)

karmarie,
I agree

Romans 10:14 How then shall they call on Him in whom they have not believed? And how shall they believe in Him of whom they have not heard? And how shall they hear without a preacher?

They need to “know what we believe. And being a good example,” is very important what we do, demonstrates what we really believe.

My opinion – Wm

Good verse Seeking.

March 30, 2011 at 9:52 am#241220