What is the mark of the beast?

[kenrch]

Makes sense?

[Laurel]

Hi All and happy Sabbath! I did not view this u-tube video. I know what the mark of the beast is simply by studying His Word. This mark of the beast interpretation I will post came to me several months ago, and I knew when I received it, it was true because I tested it against Scripture. I wrote a letter about it and saved it. I will copy and paste it here. Afterward I will try to download the video since none of you are on right now and maybe time will alow it to load. Here IS the mark of the beast of Revelations and what it means. Please read it thoughtfully and check my facts before you dispute it. Thank you, Laurel

The IMAGE of the beast

Rev 13:11 And2532 I beheld1492 another243 beast2342 coming up305 out of1537 the3588 earth;1093 and2532 he had2192 two1417 horns2768 like3664 a lamb,721 and2532 he spake2980 as5613 a dragon.1404
Rev 13:12 And2532 he exerciseth4160 all3956 the3588 power1849 of the3588 first4413 beast2342 before1799 him,846 and2532 causeth4160 the3588 earth1093 and2532 them which dwell2730 therein1722, 846 to2443 worship4352 the3588 first4413 beast,2342 whose3739 deadly wound848, 2288, 4127 was healed.2323
Rev 13:13 And2532 he doeth4160 great3173 wonders,4592 so that2443 he(2532) maketh4160 fire4442 come down2597 from1537 heaven3772 on1519 the3588 earth1093 in the sight1799 of men,444
Rev 13:14 And2532 deceiveth4105 them that dwell2730 on1909 the3588 earth1093 by1223 the means of those miracles4592 which3739 he had power1325, 846 to do4160 in the sight1799 of the3588 beast;2342 saying3004 to them that dwell2730 on1909 the3588 earth,1093 that they should make4160 an image1504 to the3588 beast,2342 which3739 had2192 the3588 wound4127 by a sword,3162 and2532 did live.2198

Rev 13:15 And2532 he had power1325, 846 to give1325 life4151 unto the3588 image1504 of the3588 beast,2342 that2443 the3588 image1504 of the3588 beast2342 should both2532 speak,2980 and2532 cause4160 that as many as3745, 302 would not3361 worship4352 the3588 image1504 of the3588 beast2342 should(2443) be killed.615
Rev 13:16 And2532 he causeth4160 all,3956 both small3398 and2532 great,3173 (2532) rich4145 and2532 poor,4434, (2532) free1658 and2532 bond,1401 to2443 receive1325, 846 a mark5480 in1909 their848 right1188 hand,5495 or2228 in1909 their848 foreheads:3359
Rev 13:17 And2532 that2443 no3361 man5100 might1410 buy59 or2228 sell,4453 save1508 he that had2192 the3588 mark,5480 or2228 the3588 name3686 of the3588 beast,2342 or2228 the3588 number706 of his848 name.3686
Rev 13:18 Here5602 is2076 wisdom.4678 Let him that hath2192 understanding3563 count5585 the3588 number706 of the3588 beast:2342 for1063 it is2076 the number706 of a man;444 and2532 his848 number706 is Six hundred threescore and six.5516

G5516 Strong’s Greek Dictionary
χξς
chi xi stigma
khee xee stig'-ma
The 22nd, 14th and an obsolete letter (G4742 as a cross) of the Greek alphabet (intermediate between the 5th and 6th), used as numbers; denoting respectively 600, 60 and 6; 666 as a numeral: – six hundred threescore and six. G4742

G5547
Chi
Χριστός
Christos
khris-tos'
From G5548; anointed, that is, the Messiah, an epithet of Jesus: – Christ

Xi

As a cross in Greek

G4742
Stigma
στίγμα
stigma
stig'-mah
From a primary word στίζω stizō (to “stick”, that is, #####); a mark incised or punched (for recognition of ownership), that is, (figuratively) scar of service: – mark.

Revealed to Me During “Feast of Weeks” 2007 (ljd) I was in the Spirit on the LORD's Day!
In Hebrew the 22nd, 14th, and 6th letter are these:
22nd zadi (tz) 14th mem (m) 6th waw (w/o/u) = TZAMU
TAMMUZ the reincarnated Nimrod, a known Babylonian sun god born on December 25th who’s mother is Ishtar (Easter) Queen of heaven!!!!!!!

Sound crazy? Read what the Prophet Ezekiel says.

Eze 8:12 Then said559 he unto413 me, Son1121 of man,120 hast thou seen7200 what834 the ancients2205 of the house1004 of Israel3478 do6213 in the dark,2822 every man376 in the chambers2315 of his imagery?4906 for3588 they say,559 The LORD3068 seeth7200 us not;369 the LORD3068 hath forsaken5800 (853) the earth.776
Eze 8:13 He said559 also unto413 me, Turn thee yet again,7725, 5750 and thou shalt see7200 greater1419 abominations8441 that834 they1992 do.6213
Eze 8:14 Then he brought935 me to413 the door6607 of the gate8179 of the LORD's3068 house1004 which834 was toward413 the north;6828 and, behold,2009 there8033 sat3427 women802 weeping1058 for854 Tammuz.8542
Eze 8:15 Then said559 he unto413 me, Hast thou seen7200 this, O son1121 of man?120 turn thee yet again,7725, 5750 and thou shalt see7200 greater1419 abominations8441 than these.4480, 428
Eze 8:16 And he brought935 me into413 the inner6442 court2691 of the LORD's3068 house,1004 and, behold,2009 at the door6607 of the temple1964 of the LORD,3068 between996 the porch197 and the altar,4196 were about five2568 and twenty6242 men,376 with their backs268 toward413 the temple1964 of the LORD,3068 and their faces6440 toward the east;6924 and they1992 worshiped7812 the sun8121 toward the east.6924

Sorry about the numbers if you can't see past them, get out your own Bible. I am diviving this so I can post it all. Please read my next post.

[Laurel]

(Our savior Y’shua Messiah is NOT the beast. The beast is an image, in His likeness, (man-inspired worship). Like a lamb. The image is messiah-like represented by the cross and the doctrine set by that ancient Babylonian religion. These anti-messiah image worshiping churches of today worship the image of the dead Christ and the “symbol” of His death through man-made Holy-days (days they have imagined or invented in the chamber of their minds) and say it is to the Lord YHWH. Jer.7:8-11
The ant-Messiah image is enmity towards the Holy Feasts of YHWH and the Sabbath memorial. They say, “Come and bow at the foot of the cross.”; while Y’shua says “Follow Me.” Matt. 4:19 and “Recognize your own sin so that you may repent; which is written as, take up your cross” Mark 8:34 Y’shua Messiah never esteemed Himself.
He always esteemed His Father in heaven. Matt. 6:9, 7:21 and 11:27
We are to follow the life of Messiah. We are not to worship idols of gold, wood, cement, stone etc. Lev. 19:4 Matt. 23:32We are not to put Y’shua above our Father in heaven. Matt.20:23 Y’shua says “no one comes to the Father but by me.” Matt. 11:27 We are to worship the living Elohim (God), Deut. 5:26 Jos. 3:10 Psalm 42:4 according to His approved testament and not according to the sick twisted pagan practices of men. John 14:15, 15:10, Luke 16:15 and Rev. 21:27 How can one “follow” the dead?) Matt. 8:22 and Luke 9:60

Lev 18:3 After the doings4639 of the land776 of Egypt,4714 wherein834 ye dwelt,3427 shall ye not3808 do:6213 and after the doings4639 of the land776 of Canaan,3667 whither834, 8033 I589 bring935 you, shall ye not3808 do:6213 neither3808 shall ye walk1980 in their ordinances.2708
Lev 18:4 Ye shall do6213 (853) my judgments,4941 and keep8104 mine ordinances,2708 to walk1980 therein: I589 am the LORD3068 your God.430

Lev 18:5 Ye shall therefore keep8104 (853) my statutes,2708 and my judgments:4941 which834 if a man120 do,6213 he shall live2425 in them: I589 am the LORD.3068

Lev 18:26 Ye859 shall therefore keep8104 (853) my statutes2708 and my judgments,4941 and shall not3808 commit6213 any of these4480, 3605, 428 abominations;8441 neither any of your own nation,249 nor any stranger1616 that sojourneth1481 among8432 you:

2Co 6:16 And1161 what5101 agreement4783 hath the temple3485 of God2316 with3326 idols?1497 for1063 ye5210 are2075 the temple3485 of the living2198 God;2316 as2531 God2316 hath said,2036 I will dwell1774 in1722 them,846 and2532 walk in1704 them; and2532 I will be2071 their846 God,2316 and2532 they846 shall be2071 my3427 people.2992

[Laurel]

FAMILY TRADITIONS
East-r
Exo 23:13 And in all3605 things that834 I have said559 unto413 you be circumspect:8104 and make no mention2142, 3808 of the name8034 of other312 gods,430 neither3808 let it be heard8085 out of5921 thy mouth.6310

Jer 7:18 The children1121 gather3950 wood,6086 and the fathers1 kindle1197 (853) the fire,784 and the women802 knead3888 their dough,1217 to make6213 cakes3561 to the queen4446 of heaven,8064 and to pour out5258 drink offerings5262 unto other312 gods,430 that4616 they may provoke me to anger.3707 (see also Acts. 19:35)
(The anti-Messiah church image wants us to worship other gods, a female deity who’s son is Tammuz the acclaimed reincarnated Nimrod who is the acclaimed SUN god, who have been around since before the tower of Babel was destroyed.)

Act 19:24 For1063 a certain5100 man named3686 Demetrius,1216 a silversmith,695 which made4160 silver693 shrines3485 for Diana,735 brought3930 no3756 small3641 gain2039 unto the3588 craftsmen;5079
Act 19:25 Whom3739 he called together4867 with2532 the3588 workmen2040 of4012 like occupation,5108 and said,2036 Sirs,435 ye know1987 that3754 by1537 this5026 craft2039 we have2076 our2257 wealth.2142
Act 19:26 Moreover2532 ye see2334 and2532 hear,191 that3754 not3756 alone3440 at Ephesus,2181 but235 almost4975 throughout all3956 Asia,773 this3778 Paul3972 hath persuaded3982 and turned away3179 much2425 people,3793 saying3004 that3754 they be1526 no3756 gods,2316 which3588 are made1096 with1223 hands:5495
(The Ephesians, a Gentile nation, worshipped Diana, the mother of Tammuz; under another name since our languages were changed at the destruction of the tower of Babel. All female deities were originally Ishtar.)

G735 Strong’s Translation from Greek (Diana=Artemis)
Ἄρτεμις
Artemis
ar'-tem-is
Probably from the same as G736; prompt; Artemis, the name of a Grecian goddess borrowed by the Asiatics for one of their deities: – Diana.

Act 19:27 So that(1161) not3756 only3440 this5124 our2254 craft3313 is in danger2793 to be set at naught;2064, 1519, 557 but235 also2532 that the3588 temple2411 of the3588 great3173 goddess2299 Diana735 should be despised,1519, 3762, 3049 and1161 her848 magnificence3168 should3195 be(2532) destroyed,2507 whom3739 all3650 Asia773 and2532 the3588 world3625 worshippeth.4576

Act 19:28 And1161 when they heard191 these sayings, they were1096 full4134 of wrath,2372 and2532 cried out,2896 saying,3004 Great3173 is Diana735 of the Ephesians.2180

Mic 5:5 And this2088 man shall be1961 the peace,7965 when3588 the Assyrian804 shall come935 into our land:776 and when3588 he shall tread1869 in our palaces,759 then shall we raise6965 against5921 him seven7651 shepherds,7462 and eight8083 principal5257 men.120
Mic 5:6 And they shall waste7489 (853) the land776 of Assyria804 with the sword,2719 and the land776 of Nimrod5248 in the entrances6607 thereof: thus shall he deliver5337 us from4480 the Assyrian,804 when3588 he cometh935 into our land,776 and when3588 he treadeth1869 within our borders.1366
Mic 5:7 And the remnant7611 of Jacob3290 shall be1961 in the midst7130 of many7227 people5971 as a dew2919 from4480, 854 the LORD,3068 as the showers7241 upon5921 the grass,6212 that834 tarrieth6960 not3808 for man,376 nor3808 waiteth3176 for the sons1121 of men.120
Mic 5:8 And the remnant7611 of Jacob3290 shall be1961 among the Gentiles1471 in the midst7130 of many7227 people5971 as a lion738 among the beasts929 of the forest,3293 as a young lion3715 among the flocks5739 of sheep:6629 who,834 if518 he go through,5674 both treadeth down,7429 and teareth in pieces,2963 and none369 can deliver.5337
Mic 5:9 Thine hand3027 shall be lifted up7311 upon5921 thine adversaries,6862 and all3605 thine enemies341 shall be cut off.3772
Mic 5:10 And it shall come to pass1961 in that1931 day,3117 saith5002 the LORD,3068 that I will cut off3772 thy horses5483 out of the midst4480, 7130 of thee, and I will destroy6 thy chariots:4818
Mic 5:11 And I will cut off3772 the cities5892 of thy land,776 and throw down2040 all3605 thy strongholds:4013
Mic 5:12 And I will cut off3772 witchcrafts3785 out of thine hand;4480, 3027 and thou shalt have1961 no3808 more soothsayers:6049
Mic 5:13 Thy graven images6456 also will I cut off,3772 and thy standing images4676 out of the midst4480, 7130 of thee; and thou shalt no3808 more5750 worship7812 the work4639 of thine hands.3027
Mic 5:14 And I will pluck up5428 thy groves842 out of the midst4480, 7130 of thee: so will I destroy8045 thy cities.5892
Mic 5:15 And I will execute6213 vengeance5359 in anger639 and fury2534 upon (853) the heathen,1471 such as834 they have not3808 heard.8085 (842 groves=Asherah see next copied from Strong’s)

H842 thy groves translated from the image or diety Asherah also from Ishtar
אשׁירה אשׁרה
'ăshêrâh 'ăshêyrâh
ash-ay-raw', ash-ay-raw'
From H833; happy; asherah (or Astarte) a Phoenician goddess; also an image of the same: – grove. Compare H6253.
H6253
עשׁתּרת
‛ashtôreth
ash-to'-reth
Probably for H6251; Ashtoreth, the Phoenician goddess of love (and increase): – Ashtoreth.
G116
Ἀθῆναι
Athēnai
ath-ay'-nahee
Plural of Ἀθήνη Athēnē (the goddess of wisdom, who was reputed to have founded the city); Athenae, the captital of Greece: – Athens.
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[Laurel]

*Note*
The word that was bleeped out in the definition of “stigma” above, is the same as “impale”.

[Laurel]

Now for what Scripture says about X-mass:

Jer 10:1 Hear8085 ye (853) the word1697 which834 the LORD3068 speaketh1696 unto5921 you, O house1004 of Israel:3478
Jer 10:2 Thus3541 saith559 the LORD,3068 Learn3925 not408 the way1870 of the heathen,1471 and be not408 dismayed2865 at the signs4480, 226 of heaven;8064 for3588 the heathen1471 are dismayed2865 at them.4480, 1992
Jer 10:3 For3588 the customs2708 of the people5971 are vain:1892 for3588 one cutteth3772 a tree6086 out of the forest,4480, 3293 the work4639 of the hands3027 of the workman,2796 with the axe.4621
Jer 10:4 They deck3302 it with silver3701 and with gold;2091 they fasten2388 it with nails4548 and with hammers,4717 that it move6328 not.3808
Ζεύς
Zeus
dzyooce
Of uncertain affinity; in the oblique cases there is used instead of it a (probably cognate) name Δίς Dis deece which is otherwise obsolete; Zeus or Dis (among the Latins Jupiter or Jove), the supreme deity of the Greeks: – Jupiter.

H1712
דּגון
dâgôn
daw-gohn'
From H1709; the fish god; Dagon, a Philistine deity: – Dagon.

Isa 57:3 But draw near7126 hither,2008 ye859 sons1121 of the sorceress,6049 the seed2233 of the adulterer5003 and the whore.2181 (Rev. 17:5)
Isa 57:4 Against5921 whom4310 do ye sport yourselves?6026 against5921 whom4310 make ye a wide7337 mouth,6310 and draw out748 the tongue?3956 are ye859 not3808 children3206 of transgression,6588 a seed2233 of falsehood,8267
Isa 57:5 Inflaming yourselves2552 with idols410 under8478 every3605 green7488 tree,6086 slaying7819 the children3206 in the valleys5158 under8478 the clefts5585 of the rocks?5553

(Santa wasn’t always the jolly old elf of today, but he was always red. Red like a cherry red hot furnace shaped like a man, where they burned their children and offered them as sacrifices to their gods.)

Rev 2:6 But235 this5124 thou hast,2192 that3754 thou hatest3404 the3588 deeds2041 of the3588 Nicolaitanes,3531 which3739 I also2504 hate.3404 (Nicolaitanes from the name Nicolaus re:Strong’s G3531)

Jer 32:35 And they built1129 (853) the high places1116 of Baal,1168 which834 are in the valley1516 of the son1121 of Hinnom,2011 to cause (853) their sons1121 and their daughters1323 to pass through5674 the fire unto Molech;4432 which834 I commanded6680 them not,3808 neither3808 came5927 it into5921 my mind,3820 that they should do6213 this2063 abomination,8441 to4616 cause (853) Judah3063 to sin.2398 (Molech an Ammonite diety re: Strong’s H4432)

Eze 16:20 Moreover thou hast taken3947 (853) thy sons1121 and thy daughters,1323 whom834 thou hast borne3205 unto me, and these hast thou sacrificed2076 unto them to be devoured.398 Is this of4480 thy whoredoms8457 a small matter,4592
Eze 16:21 That thou hast slain7819 (853) my children,1121 and delivered5414 them to cause them to pass through5674 the fire for them? (devoured= eaten re: Strong’s H398)

(The children of Israel “went whoring” after the gods of the Egyptians, Philistines, Greeks, etc. and partook in human sacrifice. The priests of Baal ate these sacrifices. Cahn is an ancient word for the priests of the Baal god, thus the word “cannibal.” Hebrew priests were called Kohen. Baal is SUN god worship. Satan twits Scripture and the Almighty changed the languages to stop this sort of worship. It continued after the tower of Babel was destroyed; only the names of their gods were changed. Over time the most evident brutalities of this Baal worship have been smoothed over, but the traditions and time of year these things were done is STILL done according to the equinoxes of the SUN. When do you celebrate the sacrifice of your Savior, on Passover according to Scripture or on East-r according to the SUN?) Fruit of this false doctrine: Aborting children to better ourselves, and infidelity.

[IM4Truth]

Laurel Why do you have all those numbers between scriptures? You would be more effective without them. It is really hard to read. So I have not. But I guess you don't care what I have to say anyway! right?
Mrs.

[kenrch]

Quote (IM4Truth @ Aug. 26 2007,06:46)

Laurel  Why do you have all those numbers between scriptures? You would be more effective without them. It is really hard to read. So I have not. But I guess you don't care what I have to say anyway! right? Mrs.

I know it's like all written in another language. On top of that it's red!  
Laurel you have E-SWORD use it!  Why the numbers?  Please go to a SOFTER colur too.

Please post again but this time without the numbers so people can read what you are trying to point out.

Peace and Love,

Ken

[charity]

Sure Mercy to the mixed seed of the beast and Man which from the beginning filled the earth;
the wounded head rise again only grace to all men;
Gen 3:15 And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.
Jer 31:27 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will sow the house of Israel and the house of Judah with the seed of man, (and with the seed of beast). Psa 68:21 But God shall wound the head of his enemies, [and] the hairy scalp of such an one as goeth on still in his trespasses. Ecc 3:19 For that which befalleth the sons of men befalleth beasts; even one thing befalleth them: as the one dieth, so dieth the other; yea, they have all one breath; so that a man hath no preeminence above a beast: for all [is] vanity. (All perish under the curse to dust)
Ecc 3:21 Who knoweth the spirit of man that goeth upward, and the spirit of the beast that goeth downward to the earth?

Taking part in the first resurrection; the second is the lake of fire
1Cr 15:20
But now is Christ risen from the dead, [and] become the firstfruits of them that slept.
Jer 31:26 Upon this I awaked, and beheld; and my sleep was sweet unto me.
Jer 31:27 ¶ Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will sow the house of Israel and the house of Judah with the seed of man, and with the seed of beast.
Jer 31:28 And it shall come to pass, [that] like as I have watched over them, to pluck up, and to break down, and to throw down, and to destroy, and to afflict; so will I watch over them, to build, and to plant, saith the LORD.
Jer 31:29 In those days they shall say no more, The fathers have eaten a sour grape, and the children's teeth are set on edge.
Jer 31:30 But every one shall die for his own iniquity: every man that eateth the sour grape, his teeth shall be set on edge.
Jer 31:31 ¶ Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
Jer 31:32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day [that] I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD:
Jer 31:33 But this [shall be] the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.
Jer 31:34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.
Jer 31:35 ¶ Thus saith the LORD, which giveth the sun for a light by day, [and] the ordinances of the moon and of the stars for a light by night, which divideth the sea when the waves thereof roar; The LORD of hosts [is] his name:
Jer 31:36 If those ordinances depart from before me, saith the LORD, [then] the seed of Israel also shall cease from being a nation before me for ever.

Lev 15:18
The woman also with whom man shall lie [with] seed of copulation, they shall [both] bathe [themselves] in water, and be unclean until the even.
1Cr 15:29 ¶ Else what shall they do which are baptized for the dead, if the dead rise not at all? why are they then baptized for the dead? :30 And why stand we in jeopardy every hour? :31 I protest by your rejoicing which I have in Christ Jesus our Lord, I die daily.
32 If after the manner of men I have fought with beasts at Ephesus, what advantageth it me, if the dead rise not? let us eat and drink; for to morrow we die. :33 Be not deceived: evil communications corrupt good manners. :34 Awake to righteousness, and sin not; for some have not the knowledge of God: I speak [this] to your shame.
Rev 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

Isaiah sayest¶ Arise, shine; for thy light is come, and the glory of the LORD is risen upon thee. For, behold, the darkness shall cover the earth, and gross darkness the people: but the LORD shall arise upon thee, and his glory shall be seen upon thee. (ch; 60)

[IM4Truth]

Hello Ken
In order to find out what the mark of the beast is, you first have to identify the beast.
Ken, have you read my topic,”The mark of the beast”? it is under “Biblical prophecy”

[Laurel]

The post is copied and pasted from a documet I wrote a few months ago. I have e-sword and this is how it pastes. Look up the verse on your own that have the numbers. I have no problem seeing the words between them. Sorry again, it's not on purpose.
Laurel

[kenrch]

Speaking of the previous video:

I did not know that the Popes were KINGS.  This is the first I  heard of this truth!  I know that the United States of America has an Ambassador to the Vatican.  What church IS a kingdom?

Seven Kings….five have fallen…..one is…the other has not yet come.

The new Pope was chosen “because he is old and is not to last as the previous Pope” This I heard on the News.

“….He must continue for a short space!”

Is all a coincidence:

A church with Kings?
Five have fallen.
One is.. John had the vision at the time of the most popular Pope of all time.
One is yet to come.  He the must continue for a short space.  Again this Pope was chosen because he is not expected to last as long as the previous Pope.

“IF” this is correct the next Pope “is the man” he will be as the seventh.  A popular Pope so Popular that the world will wonder after him.

Things are happening fast.

Rev 18:4  And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.

Ken

[IM4Truth]

Never mind Ken, I just realised we been through this before.

[kenrch]

Quote (IM4Truth @ Aug. 27 2007,03:32)

Never mind Ken, I just realised we been through this before.

OK

[Not3in1]

Quote (Laurel @ Aug. 26 2007,04:24)

(Santa wasn’t always the jolly old elf of today, but he was always red. Red like a cherry red hot furnace shaped like a man, where they burned their children and offered them as sacrifices to their gods.)

Oh, my goodness!  You certainly do have an axe-to-grind with the holidays, don't you?  This is too much!

I've read your posts.  I follow your reasoning.  Personally, I tend to believe that you can make a doctrine out of anything if you wanted to.  Some of what you say relies heavily on historical documents and various resources other than scripture.  Other information is deduced and pasted to “form” a doctrine.  I believe that the Bible is an excellent tool by which you can form any doctrine you wish; this has been abused by some.

I am not convinced that I am “whoring” around with other gods because I celebrate Easter, for instance.  However, if God has shown you these things, then for you it is sin.  As for me, I am free.  Like Peter, I am at liberty to eat anything I wish.  I do not abuse my freedom, but I am free all the same.

Thank you for sharing this with us, but I respectfully do not agree with your findings.  Not because they don't make sense – because they do.  Lot's of teachings make sense and you can follow their reasoning out in scripture, but that doesn't make them true.

[Laurel]

Not 3,
It doesn't take even an entire evening to see where the children of Israel offered their children to Molek. They followed after the gods of the gentiles. They made their children to pass through the fire. There are many verses in Scripture that point this out. The false priests (not the Levites) also ate the human sacrifices.

Maybe you should do a web serch and look at who the Druids were. In hawaii they also threw people into volcanoes to the fire god. The azteks did human sacrifice. Read the Torah and the profits and you will see. Even in the New Testament it speaks of the female diety Diana (Ashteroth, Estarte) or Easter, whom the whole world worships. I do not disreguard the Word like some. I believe it.

Some people will continue in these strange celebrations even though the Scripture clearly shows how we are to celebrate His appointed times. Man has a way of disreguarding the Torah, so it dosen't suprise me that you are offended. I am not shocked, but you are.

Keep trying to put Christ back in Christmas and you never will, Messiah was never there to begin with. Keep celebrating Christmas “for the children”, it's always been about the children.

[Not3in1]

Quote (Laurel @ Aug. 30 2007,17:00)

Some people will continue in these strange celebrations even though the Scripture clearly shows how we are to celebrate His appointed times. Man has a way of disreguarding the Torah, so it dosen't suprise me that you are offended. I am not shocked, but you are..

Oh, I'm not offended Laurel, I just don't agree with you.

I always appreciate your posts, sister! It is our Father who will open our eyes and hearts to his truth; he will teach us in the way that we should go.

[kenrch]

Quote (Not3in1 @ Aug. 30 2007,18:33)

Quote (Laurel @ Aug. 30 2007,17:00) Some people will continue in these strange celebrations even though the Scripture clearly shows how we are to celebrate His appointed times. Man has a way of disreguarding the Torah, so it dosen't suprise me that you are offended. I am not shocked, but you are.. Oh, I'm not offended Laurel, I just don't agree with you.   I always appreciate your posts, sister!  It is our Father who will open our eyes and hearts to his truth; he will teach us in the way that we should go.

I am the most guilty of being prideful and hard headed. But I have to say their are those who not far behind me. And that is sad! I believe their is a spirit of pride that runs through this forum.

How DARE you say I'M wrong!
Rom 7:19 For I do not do the good I want, but the evil I do not want is what I keep on doing.

If a brother or sister gives something let us not be “puffed up” denying “before” considering scriptures.
Don't say “not me” everyone on this forum is guilty of being prideful at one time or another.

We are guided by the Holy Spirit WHEN we allow the Spirit to lead. God uses all His children. I don't know a child of God that does not want to share His Father with everyone.

I am dissapointed with MYSELF and all others of this forum. Just look at the MESS God's children have made.

Let us share in peace then if our message is of the Spirit and Truth then it will not return VOID .

As Mandy says “only the Spirit can open our eyes” to see the truth. But the Spirit won't force you to see. If like most or all of us have been at one time or another been prideful then we CANNOT learn from one another which is SAD and does not please the Father.

Again I am the most guilty of all. But I am striving to just say what I believe to be true, give the scripture, AND LEAVE IT! Not adding “SMART” remarks that really are “STUPID” because when you do that then the door closes and you have lost your brother or sister. Then your (God's message) goes NOHERE.

WE have to remember SEEDS take time to sprout and then the LORD will provide the Spirit, the living water that feeds the seed and allows it to grow.

Just something that was on my mind

Ken

[Not3in1]

Hi brother Ken,

Great post! I agree. However, it is OK to let someone know that you do not agree with them *after* you have considered what they are teaching. This is what I have done with Laurel. I wanted her to know that I wasn't “offended” with her OR God's Word, but rather I just disagreed with her interpretation of the scriptures offered. I think we can agree AND disagree with one another and still respect each other. Not all is lost, bro. Cheer up! We haven't really made that big of mess, have we? Ha! I think we are all learning and getting to know one another. That's just my take on things here. But anyway, good post and good reminders to look at what is offered and prayerfully consider everything. Good advice, bro., thanks.

[charity]

Blessings Mandy… daughter of Zion
As you chose the law of Love and kindness; that always gives away to allow others to be just how they are and need to be a the time
For there is another Law that wages war within that is a law of right and wrong, and then the good that is done becomes no longer good before God
I pray the eyes may see you for this and acknowledge your faithfulness and obedience; for so long we haven been crushed and disallowed suffering oppression for extending grace and mercy;

I acknowledge you Mandy in obedience to the good will of God extended to all God creatures
And in all things reach out to join hands wherever we can; and share the places where we cannot reach with love and patience willing to suffer for unity

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