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What is the first DOMINION?
Micah 4:8 And thou, O tower of the flock, the strong hold of the daughter of Zion, unto thee shall it come, EVEN THE FIRST DOMINION.; the kingdom shall come to the daughter of Jerusalem.
There must be a second dominion.
Here is some more proof that the kingdom is not come yet.
Can anyone say something about the first dominion and the second dominion?
Hi all A millennium believers, can you make a comment please?
And all of you Post millennium believers, can you explain your believe?Micah 4:1 But in the last days it shall come to pass, that the mountain of the house of the LORD shall be established in the top of the mountains, and it shall be exalted above the hills; and people shall flow unto it.
Micah 4:2 And many nations shall come, and say, Come, and let us go up to the mountain of the LORD, and to the house of the God of Jacob; and he will teach us of his ways, and we will walk in his paths: for the law shall go forth of Zion, and the word of the LORD from Jerusalem.
Micah 4:3 And he shall judge among many people, and rebuke strong nations afar off; and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruninghooks: nation shall not lift up a sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more.
Micah 4:4 But they shall sit every man under his vine and under his fig tree; and none shall make them afraid: for the mouth of the LORD of hosts hath spoken it.
Micah 4:5 For all people will walk every one in the name of his god, and we will walk in the name of the LORD our God for ever and ever.
Micah 4:6 In that day, saith the LORD, will I assemble her that halteth, and I will gather her that is driven out, and her that I have afflicted;
Micah 4:7 And I will make her that halted a remnant, and her that was cast far off a strong nation: and the LORD shall reign over them in mount Zion from henceforth, even for ever.
Micah 4:8 And thou, O tower of the flock, the strong hold of the daughter of Zion, unto thee shall it come, even the first dominion; the kingdom shall come to the daughter of Jerusalem.
Micah 4:9 Now why dost thou cry out aloud? is there no king in thee? is thy counsellor perished? for pangs have taken thee as a woman in travail.
Micah 4:10 Be in pain, and labour to bring forth, O daughter of Zion, like a woman in travail: for now shalt thou go forth out of the city, and thou shalt dwell in the field, and thou shalt go even to Babylon; there shalt thou be delivered; there the LORD shall redeem thee from the hand of thine enemies.
Micah 4:11 Now also many nations are gathered against thee, that say, Let her be defiled, and let our eye look upon Zion.
Micah 4:12 But they know not the thoughts of the LORD, neither understand they his counsel: for he shall gather them as the sheaves into the floor.
Micah 4:13 Arise and thresh, O daughter of Zion: for I will make thine horn iron, and I will make thy hoofs brass: and thou shalt beat in pieces many people: and I will consecrate their gain unto the LORD, and their substance unto the Lord of the whole earth.
wakeup
Wakeup, please stop thinking in the flesh.
The above verses describe the heavenly Jerusalem. (Hebrews 11:10-16, Hebrews 12:22, and Rev 21:2).
Camellia.
Micah 4:1 But in the last days it shall come to pass, that the mountain of the house of the LORD shall be established in the top of the mountains, and it shall be exalted above the hills; and people shall flow unto it.
Micah 4:2 And many nations shall come, and say, Come, and let us go up to the mountain of the LORD, and to the house of the God of Jacob; and he will teach us of his ways, and we will walk in his paths: for the law shall go forth of Zion, and the word of the LORD from Jerusalem.
Micah 4:3 And he shall judge among many people, and rebuke strong nations afar off; and they shall beat their swords into plowshares
Micah 4:7 And I will make her that halted a REMNANT, and her that was cast far off A STRONG NATION: and the LORD SHALL REIGN over them in mount Zion from henceforth, even for ever.
Camellia. Will you still say it is about heaven?
wakeup
and they shall beat their swords into plowshares
Have you “beat your sword into a plowshare”? If not you should have.
Micah 4:1 But in the last days it shall come to pass, that the mountain of the house of the LORD shall be established in the top of the mountains, and it shall be exalted above the hills; and people shall flow unto it.
Micah 4:2 And many nations shall come, and say, Come, and let us go up to the mountain of the LORD, and to the house of the God of Jacob; and he will teach us of his ways, and we will walk in his paths: for the law shall go forth of Zion, and the word of the LORD from Jerusalem.
Sure Wakeup. This is explained in Hebrews 10-14
for he was looking for the city which has foundations, whose architect and builder is God. By faith even Sarah herself received ability to conceive, even beyond the proper time of life, since she considered Him faithful who had promised. Therefore there was born even of one man, and him as good as dead at that, as many descendants as the stars of heaven in number, and innumerable as the sand which is by the seashore.
All these died in faith, without receiving the promises, but having seen them and having welcomed them from a distance, and having confessed that they were strangers and exiles on the earth. For those who say such things make it clear that they are seeking a country of their own. And indeed if they had been thinking of that country from which they went out, they would have had opportunity to return. But as it is, they desire a better country, that is, a heavenly one. Therefore God is not ashamed to be called their God; for He has prepared a city for them.
Hebrews 12:18-24
For you have not come to a mountain that can be touched and to a blazing fire, and to darkness and gloom and whirlwind, and to the blast of a trumpet and the sound of words which sound was such that those who heard begged that no further word be spoken to them. For they could not bear the command, “If even a beast touches the mountain, it will be stoned.” And so terrible was the sight, that Moses said, “I am full of fear and trembling.” But you have come to Mount Zion and to the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to myriads of angels, to the general assembly and church of the firstborn who are enrolled in heaven, and to God, the Judge of all, and to the spirits of the righteous made perfect, and to Jesus, the mediator of a new covenant.
Do you admit you are wrong?
Rev 21:2-5
And I saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, made ready as a bride adorned for her husband. And I heard a loud voice from the throne, saying, “Behold, the tabernacle of God is among men, and He will dwell among them, and they shall be His people, and God Himself will be among them, and He will wipe away every tear from their eyes; and there will no longer be any death; there will no longer be any mourning, or crying, or pain; the first things have passed away.”
And He who sits on the throne said, “Behold, I am making all things new.” And He said, “Write, for these words are faithful and true.”
Don’t know why you are looking for an earthly Jerusalem made form the hands of men?
Hi Camellia.
Is it just possible that you will not see?
Micah 4:3 And he shall judge among many people, and rebuke STRONG NATIONS AFFAR OFF; and they shall beat their swords into plowshares.
1. Judge among many people. ( not happening yet). BECAUSE JUDGEMENT DAY IS NOT YET?
2. Rebuke strong nations. (not happening yet) rebuke STRONG NATIONS, What nations had been rebuked so far?
3. Beat their swords into plow shares. (not happening yet) (If so please explain). (mention one NATION).
4. My question Re’ the first dominion is not answered yet??
5.And Re’ the 2nd dominion, IS NOT ANSWERED YET??
BTW. Swords into plowshares goes together with; no tears, no sorrows, no pain. and they shall live one hundred years old.
Resurrected saints do not die; or do they in your opinion?
Can you see that you refuse to let go of the strong wine, no matter what scripture is presented to proof your doctrine wrong?
Camillia; Do you love the truth more than anything? For God is truth.
Shalom.
wakeup.
camellia
talking with wakeup about truth and prophecy is like open a can of worm ,
your head will spin
Wakeup.
The true born again Christians have certainly beat their swords (lips, mind, heart, hands and actions) into plowshares (peace). I know that is a learning experience, but eventually a Christian can do so. Furthermore, this has nothing to do with nations but individuals, imo.
4. My question Re’ the first dominion is not answered yet??
5.And Re’ the 2nd dominion, IS NOT ANSWERED YET??First and second dominion? Let me see if I can find those terms in the bible….
1 Peter 4:10-11
As each has received a gift, use it to serve one another, as good stewards of God’s varied grace: whoever speaks, as one who speaks oracles of God; whoever serves, as one who serves by the strength that God supplies—in order that in everything God may be glorified through Jesus Christ. To him belong glory and dominion forever and ever. Amen.So Wakeup, do you believe God has glory and dominion now and forevermore?
BTW. Swords into plowshares goes together with; no tears, no sorrows, no pain. and they shall live one hundred years old.
Many Christians no longer suffer from their former tears, addictions, suffering, torment and sorrows. They are stronger, more focused, more resilient, and they have meaning in life.
Many people live to be one hundred years old today.
In the eternal kingdom of God, there will be no more death.
Resurrected saints do not die; or do they in your opinion?
Perhaps the resurrected Saints were those resurrected from their tombs? (Matt 27:52).
If not, they will be resurrected at the coming.
Regardless, they will not die anymore.
Can you see that you refuse to let go of the strong wine, no matter what scripture is presented to proof your doctrine wrong?
Dito!
Camillia; Do you love the truth more than anything? For God is truth.
Yes. Love truth.
Shalom.
I notice Wakeup is not acknowledging anything i show in scriptures.
What is the heavenly Jerusalem to you, Wakeup?
Camellia.
Can not mix up scriptures regarding the jews; and scriptures regarding the followers of Christ.
Jews are not Christians. The jews will not be destroyed at the coming.
God is married to them; He will not forget them, God will come back to them after the fullness of the gentiles be come in.
The broken off natural olive branches, will be grafted back again to the natural olive tree.This grafting back on; will happen during the 1000yr teachings.
Then all will know the Lord, from the least of them to the greatest.Camellia. Why do you refuse to see that the kingdom is coming?
Despite scriptural evidence?
Why can you not understand that God is not finished with the jews?
All must come through Christ: no one can come to the Father but by ME.
SO THE JEWS ALSO MUST COME THROUGH CHRIST WHEN THEY ARE GIVEN THE CHANCE,
AND THAT CHANCE WILL BE IN THE 1000YR KINGDOM.wakeup.
Can not mix up scriptures regarding the jews; and scriptures regarding the followers of Christ.
Wakeup,
“There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free man, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus. (Gal 3:28)
“For by one Spirit we were all baptized into one body, whether Jews or Greeks, whether slaves or free, and we were all made to drink of one Spirit. For the body is not one member, but many. (1Cor 12)
“There is no distinction between Greek and Jew, circumcised and uncircumcised, barbarian, Scythian, slave and freeman, but Christ is all, and in all. (Col 3:11)
Jews are not Christians.
Many Jews are Christians.
The jews will not be destroyed at the coming.
It does not mention the Jews *alone*. It mentions those in Christ.
But we do not want you to be uninformed, brethren, about those who are asleep, so that you will not grieve as do the rest who have no hope. For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so God will bring with Him those who have fallen asleep in Jesus. For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord, will not precede those who have fallen asleep. For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first. Then we who are alive and remain will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and so we shall always be with the Lord. (1Thes 4:13-18)
God is married to them; He will not forget them, God will come back to them after the fullness of the gentiles be come in.
True. But, according to scripture that is a remnant.
I say then, God has not rejected His people, has He? May it never be! For I too am an Israelite, a descendant of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin. God has not rejected His people whom He foreknew. Or do you not know what the Scripture says in the passage about Elijah, how he pleads with God against Israel? “Lord, they have killed your prophets, they have torn down your alters, and I alone am left, and they are seeking my life.” But what is the divine response to him? “I HAVE KEPT for Myself SEVEN THOUSAND MEN WHO HAVE NOT BOWED THE KNEE TO BAAL.” In the same way then, there has also come to be at the present time a remnant according to God’s gracious choice.
All must come through Christ: no one can come to the Father but by ME.
SO THE JEWS ALSO MUST COME THROUGH CHRIST WHEN THEY ARE GIVEN THE CHANCE,
AND THAT CHANCE WILL BE IN THE 1000YR KINGDOM.There is only one day of salvation. Now. Today. From Christ until the end.
He says, “AT THE ACCEPTABLE TIME I LISTENED TO YOU, AND ON THE DAY OF SALVATION I HELPED YOU.” Behold, now is “THE ACCEPTABLE TIME,” behold, now is “THE DAY OF SALVATION “–(2Cor 6:2)
Hi Camellia.
You are applying the gospels to Christians and jews. Can not do that.
Try to show the jews those scriptures, an see what they will say.
There are no jews nor greek; tell the jews that.Do not forget what you said previously; You said; at the coming only the Christians will be resurrected;
And the rest destroyed, and will be judged in the second judgement.
This is ignoring many prophesies regarding isreal; and about isreal living in peace with no pain tears and sorrows.
They shall build their homes and plant vineyards. The land will be reshaped.
Man and beast will multiply. The lion will eat straw, a child will play with the bear.
The lion and the lamb will lay together. Can not ignore those prophesies for sure.Then you agreed that God had not forgotten the jews? And there is a remnant of the jews.
What about those remnant? They have rejected the Messiah.
At the same time you ignored the scripture that said ;no man can come to the Father but by me?
You also failed to address the first DOMINION, and the second DOMINION?
Can you please make a comment on that?You claim that the true Christians do not have pain and sorrows, no wars, no tears.
only some will live up to 100years old. Are you serious? Or are you just making a spin?
camellia ;you don’t suffer pain and sorrows and tears anymore?You mentioned some jews are Christians, yes, but they belong to the Christian fold; we call them Christians.
The majority of the jews are of the jewish faith.(no Jesus for them).
Camillia; you are quoting scriptures without properly dividing the scriptures;
Has to be precept upon precept; and line upon line.Shalom.
wakeupHi Wakeup.
You are applying the gospels to Christians and jews. Can not do that.
Why?
.Do not forget what you said previously; You said; at the coming only the Christians will be resurrected;
And the rest destroyed, and will be judged in the second judgement.
This is ignoring many prophesies regarding isreal; and about isreal living in peace with no pain tears and sorrows.But the Jews and Gentiles can live in peace for eternity.
Then you agreed that God had not forgotten the jews? And there is a remnant of the jews.
What about those remnant? They have rejected the Messiah.How do you know they are not the Jews who became or will become Christians before the end of the world?
You also failed to address the first DOMINION, and the second DOMINION?
Can you please make a comment on that?No I didn’t. Scripture says, “As each has received a gift, use it to serve one another, as good stewards of God’s varied grace: whoever speaks, as one who speaks oracles of God; whoever serves, as one who serves by the strength that God supplies—in order that in everything God may be glorified through Jesus Christ. To him belong glory and dominion forever and ever. Amen.” (1 Peter 4:10-11)
That’s the only mention of “dominion” that I can see, and I asked you if you believe that God and Jesus’ glory and dominion is now and forevermore, (you did not answer yes or no).
You claim that the true Christians do not have pain and sorrows, no wars, no tears.
only some will live up to 100years old.Actually, I did not quite say that. I said: “Many Christians no longer suffer from their former tears, addictions, suffering, torment and sorrows. They are stronger, more focused, more resilient, and they have meaning in life.”. Of COURSE we suffer and have pain, but with faith we can get through it. Do you understand the spiritual depth?
You mentioned some jews are Christians, yes, but they belong to the Christian fold; we call them Christians.
The majority of the jews are of the jewish faith.(no Jesus for them).Those who are not Christians are judged on what they have done in their lifetime. They are given either eternal life or eternal death (2nd Judgment).
Hi Camellia.
Do you believe that there will be a grafting back, of the natural broken off branches?
If you do, then can you state, when the grafting back will happen?wakeup
Hi Camellia.
Do you believe that there will be a grafting back, of the natural broken off branches?
If you do, then can you state, when the grafting back will happen?It is probably past, present and future until Jesus comes back. Once the door closes, it is closed. No future chance, Wakeup.
Wakeup. What does this mean to you.
“This gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in the whole world as a testimony to all the nations, and then the end will come.”Camillia.
1. The grafting back of the jews to the natural olive tree will happen during the 1000yrS; teaching the jews; Christ.
2.Matthew 24:14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world
for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.ONLY FOR A WITNESS TO ALL NATIONS. NOT FOR THE REDEMPTION OF THE WORLD.
THEY MUST BE PURIFIED BY FIRE TO GET THEIR ROBES WHITE.
Isaiah 48:10 Behold, I have refined thee, but not with silver; I have chosen thee in the furnace of affliction.wakeup
Hi Wakeup.
“This gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in the whole world as a testimony to all the nations…
and then the end will come.”
What do you understand by “The End”?
1. ‘NOW is the day of salvation’.
Clearly, you believe as the “Worldwide Churches of God”, and the Jehovah’s Witnesses (?) do, that ‘the day of salvation is not now, but future.
What is the propose of ‘now’ then?
Why don’t we just eat, drink and be merry, because it really doesn’t matter, we can just wait until this future millennium.Knowledge will pass away, Wakeup.
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