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Thank you typsrn,
Good posts.
And a good choice not to continue to press against a wall that cannot budge on any matter.Quote (Nick Hassan @ Aug. 04 2006,20:25) Thank you typsrn,
Good posts.
And a good choice not to continue to press against a wall that cannot budge on any matter.
Now Nick was that nice?Typrsn,
Obviously the nerve was struck with YOU as all you did was try to justify
“yourself” in your response.You wrote: “The loving God commands believers to expose error.”
That's right and that's why I exposed yours! I'm glad you appreciated that.
This was priceless:
“The job of an ordained minister as myself is to charge some that they teach no other doctrine” (1Tim.1:3)
Really? Well how do you propose to DO that sitting in your own little clubhouse with people who only believe as you do? Listen buddy, I don't know who or what “ordained” you but it is God who ordains us to go and seek the lost. Are you doing that?
Now this is the scripture which applies here. You should likewise read what Paul said in 1 Corinthians 13:2, “If I have the gift of prophecy and can fathom all mysteries and all KNOWLEDGE, (i.e. the RIGHT doctrine), and if I have a faith that can move mountains, but HAVE NOT LOVE, I am NOTHING.”
All of your doing things according to Hoyle, women with their heads and behinds covered, tithing, observing the right doctrine, means NOTHING to God if you don't have true compassion for people just as His Son did. I'm just not seeing that anywhere in your posts. What I am seeing is a modern day Pharisee who brags about how pleasing he is to God by doing everything the “Law” requires. I seem to remember the Lord Jesus speaking about a guy like that. Oh yeah, try reading Luke 18:11-12:
“God, I thank you that I am not like other men, robbers, evildoers, adulters, or even like this tax collector. 12 I fast
twice a week and give a tenth of all I get.”The Bible says Jesus said the tax collector is the one who went home justified. Why? Because God gives grace to the humble, but mocks the proud. Proverbs 3:34 says, “He mocks proud mockers but gives grace to the humble.” Do you enjoy being mocked?
See, Christ, not you, is the perfector and author of our faith. So when it comes down to it, I am following what Jesus actually did within the equally doctrinally wrong factions of Judaism. You still need the blood covering of Christ just as much as those with the “false doctrines” my friend.
Nothing of what you said, refutes, negates or supercedes the beautiful example of Christ in my post. Obviously that illustration was wasted on your pomposity. Oh well.
Bless ya',
Semmy
My Pleasure Mercy!
Listen, don't let legalism paint you into a box. Is God blessing you
at the AOG? All right then!!! Jesus told the Samaritan woman
too that she was worshipping what she did not know. According
to Trprsn, he should have walked away from her so as not to
“sully” himself with someone with heretical doctrines. Hey maybe
she didn't even have her head covered! Whatever.My Bibles says God desires mercy, not sacrifice. [Hosea 6:6]
Keep showing mercy to those people at the AOG and God will
be pleased with your living sacrifice my brother.Bless you much,
Semmy
What's up Cubes?
Actually if you want to voluteer, you can contact the volunteer
office of the hospital. In a nursing home, you may wish to speak
with the director of recreation.You are NOT a layperson. You are a God-Ordained, annointed
minister of the Gospel. You can bring your Bible and read Psalms
to people who are sick. Play Christian music on a CD for them.
There's lots of things you can do to help people to Christ or
reaffirm his love to those who are isolated.I would stay away from the ordinance stuff like communion and baptisms
because some states require that you be a licensed minister but there
are many other things you could do.You know, someone with a love for God land a good working
knowledge of the Bible as you have should easily qualify for
a scholarship to seminary. Once you are licensed, you can
legally do all the things clergy can do. Think about it Rev. Cubes!Best,
Semmy
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Aug. 04 2006,20:25) Thank you typsrn,
Good posts.
And a good choice not to continue to press against a wall that cannot budge on any matter.
Nick,Thanks so much. It is one thing for us to disagree, but when the emotions begin to flare up, it's time to back off. We can disagree without being disagreeable. The wrath of man does not work the righteousness of God.
Hi Semmy,
Who will obey the words of Christ in Matt 28.19 if we are advised not to do so to satisfy man's expectations?
“I would stay away from the ordinance stuff like communion and baptisms”
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Aug. 04 2006,21:46) Hi Semmy, Who will obey the words of Christ in Matt 28.19 if we are advised not to do so to satisfy man's expectations?
“I would stay away from the ordinance stuff like communion and baptisms”
Hi Nick,Are laypeople allowed to perform weddings in your country? Trust me, they are NOT in mine and if you don't obey the law of the land, you'll end up getting sued and THEN thrown in jail.
If the person wishes for you to give them communion or baptise them, great! However, in some states if you do not have a minister's license, the facility may prevent you from even coming in to provide those services. If they catch you doing them on your own, you may be escorted off the premises altogether. We call that being 86'ed here!
I have even seen family members bar certain demnominations of ORDAINED ministers from giving their hospitalized relatives communion. The cookie wasn't round with a cross on it! So many are not going to allow someone whom they perceive as coming off the street to do it. We have to be sensitive to the feelings of others.
Here is the scripture I apply. Paul said to be in subjection to the rulers and authorities. “Remind the people to be subject to rulers and authorities, to be OBEDIENT, to be ready to do whatever is good.” [Titus 3:1]
If my state or country's rulers require people who do ordinacial services to be licensed or ordained clergy, according to the above scripture, I should obey. You may see it differently but you won't be going to jail for me from NZ now will you?
Tootles, (seminary homework beckons)
Semmy
Quote (seminarian @ Aug. 04 2006,21:05) Typrsn, Obviously the nerve was struck with YOU as all you did was try to justify
“yourself” in your response.You wrote: “The loving God commands believers to expose error.”
That's right and that's why I exposed yours! I'm glad you appreciated that.
This was priceless:
“The job of an ordained minister as myself is to charge some that they teach no other doctrine” (1Tim.1:3)
Really? Well how do you propose to DO that sitting in your own little clubhouse with people who only believe as you do? Listen buddy, I don't know who or what “ordained” you but it is God who ordains us to go and seek the lost. Are you doing that?
Now this is the scripture which applies here. You should likewise read what Paul said in 1 Corinthians 13:2, “If I have the gift of prophecy and can fathom all mysteries and all KNOWLEDGE, (i.e. the RIGHT doctrine), and if I have a faith that can move mountains, but HAVE NOT LOVE, I am NOTHING.”
All of your doing things according to Hoyle, women with their heads and behinds covered, tithing, observing the right doctrine, means NOTHING to God if you don't have true compassion for people just as His Son did. I'm just not seeing that anywhere in your posts. What I am seeing is a modern day Pharisee who brags about how pleasing he is to God by doing everything the “Law” requires. I seem to remember the Lord Jesus speaking about a guy like that. Oh yeah, try reading Luke 18:11-12:
“God, I thank you that I am not like other men, robbers, evildoers, adulters, or even like this tax collector. 12 I fast
twice a week and give a tenth of all I get.”The Bible says Jesus said the tax collector is the one who went home justified. Why? Because God gives grace to the humble, but mocks the proud. Proverbs 3:34 says, “He mocks proud mockers but gives grace to the humble.” Do you enjoy being mocked?
See, Christ, not you, is the perfector and author of our faith. So when it comes down to it, I am following what Jesus actually did within the equally doctrinally wrong factions of Judaism. You still need the blood covering of Christ just as much as those with the “false doctrines” my friend.
Nothing of what you said, refutes, negates or supercedes the beautiful example of Christ in my post. Obviously that illustration was wasted on your pomposity. Oh well.
Bless ya',
Semmy
Semmy,I did not mention the “nerve” to get you upset. Neither have I gotten personal with anyone on this forum. God forbid that I would try and justify myself. As Jesus said “I seek not my own will and If I bear witness of myself, my witness it not true (John 5:30-32) and He was justified in the Spirit (1 Tim. 3:16). None of this has anything to do with me. It has everything to do with what His Word says. It is one thing to disagree with me on my understanding of what the Word says, but it is another to make accusations. Again, this is not about me.
I never said that I only associate with people that only believe as I do. That is what you accuse me of among other things (like not being ordained by God, being pompous and not having the love and compassion of God). I said in effect that I do not allow myself to be subjected to doctrines that I know to be erroneous. We are to pull down strong holds, casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalts itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ (2Cor. 10:5). We are not to pull down people. Love and truth walk hand in hand. You can't have one without the other. You are absolutely correct. Love is above all things and is the bond of perfectness (Col. 3:14). Whosoever keeps His Word, in him is the love of God perfected (1 John 2:6). No lie is of the truth (1 John 2:21). If we know that He is righteous, we know that everyone that does righteousness is born of Him (1 John 2:28). By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God and keep His commandments. For this is the love of God that we keep His commandments: and His commandments are not grievous (1 John 5:2,3). Yet you are accusing me of not having love although I'm promoting the very Word that God has exalted above His Name (Ps. 138:2).
You are absolutely correct. I need Jesus just as much as anybody. A definitive amen to that. By the way, I do not belive tithing to be required for the church today, no more than circumcision.
Hi Typsrm,
Should Peter or Paul or Philip have refused baptism to those whom God had shown were ready while they checked with the legal or religious authorities??
In matters relating to God we serve God and if we are imprisoned or die for that obedience we count it joy.Hi Trprsn,
I really appreciate the change in the tenor over your last post. Much better! You may
not think that you are puffed up, but that is exactly how you came across
here. The law this, God's commandments that, I'm an ordained minister the other.
Re-read your last post and cite how many times you included the words “mercy”
“compassion”, “grace”, “longsuffering”, “forgiving”. See these are all attributes of
God as well but they are scarce in your vocabulary.It wasn't until I wrote what I did, albeit, “personal” as it was that you FINALLY said:
1.) I would never want to try to justify myself
2.) None of this has anything to do with me
3.) I need Jesus as much as anybody
You spent far too much time exalting how well you follow God's Word but little space
to show how well you are following God's Son. I look at a person's actual fruits, not
a self written description of how lucious they supposedly are.
See all of that beautiful humility was missing from your previous posts. Therefore
as it has been restored, I have done my job in exhorting you to fine works.
God be praised! So just how are you reaching out to those who are trapped in doctrinal
darkness as you never mentioned that?I agree with the tithing issue too. If were were still under the
Law we would be paying THREE tithes including one to the temple priests. Also it
was a hin of oil and a sack of flour as I can recall.Bless you and please try to keep it real from now on, o.k.?
Semmy
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Aug. 04 2006,22:39) Hi Typsrm,
Should Peter or Paul or Philip have refused baptism to those whom God had shown were ready while they checked with the legal or religious authorities??
In matters relating to God we serve God and if we are imprisoned or die for that obedience we count it joy.
Hi Nick,Please don't project your conscience on your brothers here. Jesus also wisely told his disciples that if we are persecuted in one city, we should FLEE to another.
“When you are persecuted in one place, flee to another..”[Matthew 10:23]Nothing of what you wrote precludes obedience to Titus 3:1. The Bible also says to be obedient to the authorites and to lead peaceful and quiet lives. If getting a minister's license to do certain things such as MARRY people helps keep the peace, then I will do it.
'..for kings and all those in authority, that we may live peaceful and quiet lives in all godliness and holiness. 3 This is good and pleases God our Savior…”[1 Timothy 2:2-3]
We can only Biblically disobey the Laws of the land IF they CONFLICT with God's Law. I'm not seeing this as the case in the specific instances I have given by way of example.
Remember to give me your address in NZ so I can ship you a cake with a file in it.
Semmy
Hi semmy,
Only water baptism is at issue here so the rest can be let to another time and someone else to do but I believe we should all be ready at any time oif asked to fulfill this godly work for those who wish to fellowhip with God.Quote (typrsn @ Aug. 04 2006,19:44) Quote (heiscomingintheclouds @ Aug. 04 2006,16:39) Consider what you may, but consider this as well. No place does it say that if you do not speak in tongues that you have not recieved the baptism of the Holy Spirit. Your zealousness in wonderful, but to teach things that are contrary to the word of God is not wonderful. I have battled with some who were under the belief that is was with water that saves us. This is rediculous. Now you are making the claim that one must be baptized in the Holy Spirit to be saved. This is rediculous. It is by faith we are saved. It is the free gift from God. It comes by believing in Christ. We are born again by asking him for forgiveness of our sins. He cleanses us with his blood. He resides in our hearts. There is no other name that can save us. Can you recieve the Holy Spirit without asking Christ into your heart and be forgiven, sanctified, made holy, frist. No. The Holy Spirit of God cannot come into an unclean vessel. It must first be made Holy. And it is made Holy through the blood of Christ.
Jesus said, no man can come to the Father, but through me.
H,I will respond to this post and the one below. After that I am through with this particular discussion with you as I have plenty of other things to do (as I'm sure you do as well) than go back and forth over these issues. I'd rather be a good steward of the time that God has allotted me here on earth. Regardless of what I say, you will not be persuaded anyway. All things will be disclosed when the Judge comes.
First of all, when did I ever say anything about tongues? You assumed something, correct? What was your assumption based upon? Is it wrong to assume? If the answer is yes. Then you were wrong to assume that I was referring to tongues when I did not mention the subject one time in any of my posts. (Think about the profoundness of what I just said).
I do have a zeal of God, but it is according to the knowledge of God (Rom. 10:2,3). I never said water in and of itself saved anybody. It is faith that saves. Faith unfeigned is the prerequisite. Jesus said “He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned (Mark 16:16). So even if a person is baptized, they are not saved unless they believe (Acts 8:36,37). True faith produces obedience as the writer mentions in Hebrews 11. Do you think Noah and his family would have been saved if he would not have prepared the ark (Heb. 11:7; 1Pet. 3:21)? Those of old obtained a good report through their faith that caused them to do something (Heb. 11:2). Everything we receive from God, we receive by faith. Why you think He tells us in Is. 55:1 “Ho, every one that thirsteth, come ye to the waters, and he that hath no money; come ye, buy, and eat; yea, come, buy wine and milk without money and without price”? What do we buy with? We buy with our faith. What money is in the natural economy, faith is in the spiritual. Without faith we need not expect to receive anything from God (Heb. 11:6; James 1:5-7; Mark 5:34; Luke 5:20; Luke 18:42; Mark 10:52; Matt. 9:22; Heb. 4:2).
Amen typrsn,Faith and Obedience go hand in hand. I've been saying it all along how important obedience is. I challenge anyone to look at the men of the Bible that God used, and you will see a few common things. #1, they believed God, #2 they obeyed God. Noah did, Abraham did, Moses did, Elijah did, what makes us think we're any different.
WATER SAVES NO ONE. It's not about the water folks, it's all about the heart. God is simply looking for hearts who believe and obey.
To give you an example of what i'm trying to say, let's look at Tithing. Why do we tithe or give? Folks God doesn't need your money. We serve a God who can raise up children of Abraham out of stones. Now if God can do that, believe me, he doesn't need our money. So why do we tithe or give? I believe God uses outward actions to teach us inward qualities or characteristics. God calls us to tithe because he's trying to make you a giver like he is.
I believe the same can be applied to water baptism. God is using this vehicle to teach us about obedience which is key in having a relationship with God Almighty. I've said it before and I'll say it again, ANYONE WHO DARE SAYS THAT OBEYING GOD ISN'T IMPORTANT, IS FILLED WITH A DECIEVING SPIRIT.
Shalom
Hi semmy
You said
“Please don't project your conscience on your brothers here.”But Jesus said in Matt 28.19
“”(A)Go therefore and (B)make disciples of Âall the nations, (D)baptizing them….”Whom should we follow?
Quote (seminarian @ Aug. 05 2006,02:33) What's up Cubes? Actually if you want to voluteer, you can contact the volunteer
office of the hospital. In a nursing home, you may wish to speak
with the director of recreation.You are NOT a layperson. You are a God-Ordained, annointed
minister of the Gospel. You can bring your Bible and read Psalms
to people who are sick. Play Christian music on a CD for them.
There's lots of things you can do to help people to Christ or
reaffirm his love to those who are isolated.I would stay away from the ordinance stuff like communion and baptisms
because some states require that you be a licensed minister but there
are many other things you could do.You know, someone with a love for God land a good working
knowledge of the Bible as you have should easily qualify for
a scholarship to seminary. Once you are licensed, you can
legally do all the things clergy can do. Think about it Rev. Cubes!Best,
Semmy
Hi Semmy,Thanks a bunch for the all round encourangement and practical advice!
Blessings!
Quote (heiscomingintheclouds @ June 11 2006,18:43) The bible tells us that God is the same yesterday, today and
forever.
The same should be of his church. The apostles set the churches up
and though there were several, they all subscribed to the same
doctrine. Jesus gave a discription of what a believer would look
like by signs that follow them. If you belong to a church that does
not bare these signs, chances are, the church is not of God.Mark 16:16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he
that believeth not shall be damned.16:17 And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name
shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;16:18 They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly
thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and
they shall recover.Now, I have been asked what church I worship in. It is called
Maranatha Chapel. It is non denominational and the only doctrine of
this church is the Authorized King James bible. Nothing more or
nothing less. We believe that it is the infallible word of God and
we can prove it. If we were to take the matter to court, the King
James could be proven as God's infallible word. There is more
evidence to prove this book as his word because, it is his word.Now, if one has a question about scripture, it can be found in the
KJ. It is perfect in the doctrine of the faith. All pieces support
eachother. Many claim there are contradictions, but it is not so
when it comes to matters which pertain to the faith.The men who translated the KJ, had many more transcripts to work
with then translators after the KJ. The men who translated the KJ
did not have any hidden agendas, nor were they bias as to bringing
this work into print. Their only driving intention was to try to get
it right or as close to the original as they could. The majority of
translations after were tainted with evolutionism and spiritualism.
For if the original is corrupt, the rest will be corrupt. So if a
translator is bias in the belief of evolution and spiritualism, his
translation will be corrupt.There was a great man of God, who's name was Tindale, who gave his
life for the gospel. If one does not believe that this was a man of
God, then how can one know God. God used this man, and there is no
doubt in my mind he did, and the proof is his own translation. When
the translators had completed the work of the translation into
English, it was almost identical to that of Tindale. I believe the
day that Tindale was put to death for the faith, just as Jesus stood
at the right side of the Father, he did the same for Tindale.If the devil can make people not believe that this is the infallible
word of God, he can create confusion and steal the souls of men, and
he did. Men have been believing his lies since the garden and they
will continue to believe his lies to their graves.
Hello Heiscomingintheclouds,Brother, I use the KJV and the Strong's Concordance w/Hebrew and Greek dictionaries almost exclusively. I like the KJV but to say that it is the infallible word of God, and that it is unbiased, I'm not so sure. The KJV is nothing more than a revision of the Bishop's bible. The KJV is NOT a new translation. Don't take my word for it do your research.
To prove that the KJV is biased let's look at Acts 7:59.
59And they stoned Stephen , calling upon God, and saying , Lord Jesus , receive my spirit .So according to this passage, Stephen addressed God as Lord Jesus. This is one of many passages I've seen people use to prove that Jesus is God. But the word “God” in this passage is in ITALIC, meaning it was added by the translators. Now I don't have a problem with translators adding words to help us better understand the text, as translating from Greek to English is a difficult task, but Acts 7:59 is an example of clear bias.
There are also mistranslations in the KJV.
Example, Exodus 15:3 says that “God is a man of war”. But Numbers 23:19 and Hosea 11:9 say that “God is NOT a man”.
Then we also have the 1John 5:7 passage which many scholors believe was added sometime in the 1500's. Who are we to say the scholars are lying about this passage. Knowing the history of the corruption of the church around that time frame, It wouldn't suprise me in the least to find out that it was added.
Just my 2 cents
Dear Woutlaw,
You say God is not a man. Is Jesus God? Was Jesus a man?
As for your 1John 5:7, I believe it should be there and it fits perfectly in God's Word. It does not contradict, but is a piece that fits perfect with the rest of scripture. Many claim it was put there to reinforce the trinity doctrine. I do not believe in the trinity doctrine and can easily explain it away using the Word of God. So don't get hung up on my using of the KJ. What sets it apart is it's infallibility in the doctrine of Christ. All who are against the KJ take the words I post by the unction of the Holy Spirit with a grain of salt. Yet, not can disprove them. For God is truth and men are liars.
Dear typrsn,
Brother, you should be on star search. The way you danced around the issue I was trying to expose. So let us make this simple. Please answer with a simple yes or no.
1. If a man does not recieve the baptism of the Holy Spirit, is he saved?
2. If a man does not speak in tongues when recieving the baptism of the Holy Spirit, did he really recieve the baptism?
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