What is the anti-christ?

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What is the Anti-Christ?
Do you know?

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1) The Anti-Christ is man.
2) The Anti-Christ is Lucifer.
3) The Anti-Christ is Satan.
4) The Anti-Christ os Lucifer/Satan.
5) The Anti-Christ is a World Religion.
6) The Anti-Christ is a World Government.
7) The Anti-Christ is a World Religion/World Government.

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December 8, 2009 at 11:11 am#210714

Tim Kraft

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Hey Con: If what you are saying is that the “man” that you are referring to is a man that doesn't believe in Jesus the Christ then you and I agree!

All these in your list would be anti-Christ.

Yea! You are so right. Really any doctrine that doesn't agree or is not in union with Christ is anti-Christ. And it was in the world back then and it has been until now and continues. Confused or non-believers are anti-Christ! Bless you, TK

December 8, 2009 at 12:05 pm#210715

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“I write to you, not because you do not know the truth, but because you know it, and know that no lie is of the truth. Who is the liar but he who denies that Jesus is the Messiah? This is the antichrist, he who denies the Father and the Son. No one who denies the Son has the Father. He who confesses the Son has the Father also.” 1 John 2:21-23 RSV

Who is he?

The word antichrist is derived from the original New Testament Greek word pronounced antichristos, which means someone who opposes, and/or takes the place of, the true Messiah.

Who is he?

Although the “spirit of the antichrist” (1 John 4:3) has been around for a very long time, and there were relatively minor examples of antichrists long ago (1 John 2:18-19), the ultimate end-time antichrist, identified variously as the “lawless one” or “man of sin” (2 Thessalonians 2:9) or “beast” (all of Revelation 13) is going to be more evil and more incredibly powerful (made possible by That Old Serpent) than any human that has ever existed.

Who is he?

In a way, he will be the embodiment of Satan himself because no one is more anti-Christ than Satan.

Or is there?

Who is he?

Is he a Military/Political Leader?

“Men worshiped the dragon [that is, Satan] because he had given authority to the beast, and they also worshiped the beast and asked, “Who is like the beast? Who can make war against him?”

Who is he?

“The beast was given a mouth to utter proud words and blasphemies and to exercise his authority for forty-two months [the same forty-two months in which The Two Witnesses will be active]. He opened his mouth to blaspheme 'elohim, and to slander His Name and His dwelling place and those who live in heaven. He was given power to make war against The Saints and to conquer them. And he was given authority over every tribe, people, language and nation [he will conquer countries all around the world]. All inhabitants of the earth will worship the beast [many will be deceived into worshiping the man] – all whose names have not been written in the book of life belonging to The Lamb that was slain from the creation of the world. He who has an ear, let him hear.” (Revelation 13:4-9 NIV)

Who is he?

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December 8, 2009 at 3:02 pm#210716

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Ron

I hesitate to answer you, because I'm not sure if you want to learn the truth , or just voice your opinion.
I do have the answer to Rev. 13:3 and 4, and who Antichrist is.
This is your topic, if you don't wont my input, I stay out of it.

Georg

December 8, 2009 at 3:25 pm#210717

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Quote (banana @ Dec. 08 2009,07:02)

Ron

Georg

Threads are open to everyone.

December 8, 2009 at 8:50 pm#210718

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Const

Let me ask you first, have you read my article on Antichrist on page 4 on “Biblical Prophecy”?

Georg

December 9, 2009 at 12:04 am#210719

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hi ron
to me that is ,it would be constantine,
first he ad a vision of the cross,he his the first polititian military,to asimilate most of the chrsitian sect of is time into a state religion,just like nebucanetsar in babylone went he put up the idole what cause the three friends of daniel to been trown into the fire,he put the foundation of the whore of revelation in place,he make himself above all, directing the chuche as well,and make is success is own,just like nebucanedsar of babylone before he was given to eat grass.

what you think?

December 9, 2009 at 12:16 am#210720

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To all, this is a repeat, it tells you “who and what” Antichrist is.
It may be long, but it's worth reading.

terraricca

Posted: Dec. 02 2007,10:48

A N T I C H R I S T

Dan. 7:8 “I considered the horns, and, behold, there came up among them another little
horn, before whom there were three of the first horns plucked up by the roots; and behold, in this horn were eyes like the eyes of man, and a mouth speaking great things.”

From the last study we should understand the meaning of a horn. It stands for power, for a king or ruler. Antichrist was not a real king, but he ruled as one. This little horn came up on the head of the Roman beast, showing that he had his beginning during the Roman Empire.

v. 7 “After this I saw in the night vision, and behold a fourth beast, dreadful and terrible, and strong exceedingly; and it had great iron teeth: it devoured and brake in pieces, and stamped the residue with the feet of it: and it was diverse from all the beasts that were before it; and it had ten horns.”
v. 20 “And of the ten horns that were in his head, and of the other which came up, and before whom three fell; even of that horn that had eyes, and a mouth that spake very great things, whose look was more stout then his fellows.”
v. 21 “I beheld, and the same horn made war with the saints, and prevailed against them.”

This little horn would become the ruler of what used to be the western part of the Roman Empire. He then would begin to persecute the saints, make war with them, and execute all who refused to worship him.

v. 25 “And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws; and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.”

His rule over the saints would last three and a half years; a year for a day would make his rule last 1260 years. But his power was to be taken away at the end of his reign, by “the king of the north”.

Dan. 11:36 “And the king shall do according to his will; and he shall exalt himself, and magnify himself above every god, and shall speak marvellous things against the god of gods, and shall prosper till the indignation be accomplished: for that that is determent shall be done.”

God had determent from the beginning that this little horn would rule for 1260 years, and then would loose his power to rule by being humiliated, exposed as a fraud. (See Napoleon) We next read about Antichrist in the book of Revelation.

Rev. 13:11 “And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.”

Coming up out of the earth, earth is a metaphor for people, and beast a metaphor for kingdom. He did not conquer any kingdoms, but he would rule what used to be the western part of the Roman Empire. He tried to appear as Christ the Lamb of God, but what he spoke, his doctrines were devilish; he is thee imposter.

Rev. 13:5 “And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two month.”

Being antichrist does not mean hating Christ, it means coming instead of Christ, claiming to be the representative of Christ. That in itself would not be bad, we are all supposed to imitate Christ. But this imposter tried to appear as Christ. Notice the time period, when you convert forty-two month into days, you have 1260 days = years.

v. 6 “And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blasphemy his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.”

Jesus Christ was the only representative of God.

John 5:43 “I am come in my Father’s name, and ye receive me not; if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive.”

When you claim you are here as God’s representative, or claim you are the Vicar of the Son of God, you are blaspheming God. Jesus Christ is the only mediator between God and men.

1 Tim. 2:5 “For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus.”

When you persecute and kill his saints, his tabernacle, you are blaspheming God. Jesus never forced any one to believe him, and never killed any one for disagreeing with him. Antichrist did both.

Rev. 13: 7 “And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.”
Rev. 13:15 “And he had power to give live unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.”

Antichrists have been around since the Apostles. Paul criticized the Galatians,

Gal. 1:6 “I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel.”
v. 7 “Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.”

Antichrists are individuals trying to get a following in the name of Christ. They teach according what is appealing to their audience, they will pervert the true gospel to either, make it appealing or by scaring the audience.
“Thee” Antichrist did not leave it up to the people to believe his doctrines or not, when he began to rule, his power extended over all kindred’s, and languages, and nations.

Rev. 13:12 “And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.”

He already had begun to rule like the first beast before him, Rome was the beast before him; but the Emperor was still in command so he made sure everybody worshiped the first beast. The fact that John mentions the deadly wound was healed tells us that he began to rule sometime after the healing; after 553 A.D. Why was that? Paul gives us the reason for his waiting;

2 Thes. 2:7 “For the mystery of iniquity does already work; only he who now letteth (restrains) will let (will restrain), until he (the restrainer) be taken out of the way.”

Someone was holding this beast out of the earth back. He had grown much since Constantine made Christianity the universal religion in 324 A.D. The Church grew in numbers and so did the overseers, the Bishops; they were also called Pope, Father. In 533 A.D. the emperor Justinnian decided that only the Bishop of Rome should hold the title “Pope-Father”, and Holy was added later.
Let me briefly explain how Christianity became the Empires religion. Constantine had to fight many of his own to become sole Emperor of the Empire. The most famous battle was against Maxentius his brother in law, in 312 A.D. He claimed he had a vision; he saw a red cross in the heavens with the inscription under it “under this sign conquer”. He then had red crosses painted on the shields of his soldiers, and did win the battle. He gave credit for the victory to the God of this new religion “Christianity”. This red cross would become the mark of Rome, the Beast. Even the Crusaders fought under it. In 313 A.D. he stopped the persecution and gave Christians the freedom to practice their religion. In 321 A.D. he made a new law; worship service was to be held on Sunday and no work on that day. Then in 324 A.D. he declared Christianity the Universal religion of his Empire. This was the beginning of the Roman Catholic Church. In 325 A.D. he, Constantine, presided over the “first Council of Nicea”; ov
er 300 Bishops attended; among other things it was decided what a Christian was and what he should believe; also that God was a trinity; that the commemoration of Christ’s death, no longer be kept, enforced by death, instead the resurrection be celebrated on Sunday. You better read that again, and slow this time.
The church too made compromises, one of which is the celebrating of the rebirth of the Sun god on Dec.25. It was changed to the birthday of the Son of God and is now known as Christmas. The Emperor made many changes in support of the church even build some Churches and that was not unusual or surprising because he was after all the Pontifex Maximus, “Chief religious Ruler”. Roman Emperors ruled not only over the State they ruled over all religions too. And that was what was restraining Antichrist, the Emperor, as long as there was an Emperor around he, Antichrist the Pope, would show his respect and made sure every one else did too.
The year 565 A.D. marked the end of waiting, Justinnian died, he was the last Emperor to rule the East and the West, because no other Emperor of the East was able to maintain control over the West. Now his reign of terror would begin, the restrainer was taken out of the way.

Rev. 13:13 “And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men.”

Lets go through this slowly; first of all, the Pope never performed any wonders or miracles except he made people wonder how a man of God could do these horrible things to other people. Second, this fire was not real fire from heaven above; fire is a metaphor for the fiery trials he put the saints through; as Peter explains.

1 Peter 1:7 “That the trails of your faith, being much more precious than of gold that perisheth, though it be tried with fire, might be found unto praise and honour and glory at the appearing of Jesus Christ.”

The persecution, fiery trials, was ordered from the Popes heaven, the Vatican, his place of religious authority. Heaven above is God’s place of authority, all authority. On the earth, earth meaning, on all the people that dared to oppose him; in the sight of men, public torture and execution.

Rev. 13:14 “And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword and did live.”

This is were Antichrist is referred to as the image of the beast. Rome no longer ruled the west, and Antichrist assumed full power and control, not only over all religion, but also over all new kings that would arise out of what used to be the Western Roman Empire. The Pope admired the way the Roman Emperors had ruled, with a fist of iron and a sword, only he would leave the wielding of the sword to the new kings of Europe.
But “He” became the Emperor,
The Cardinals became the Senaters,
The Bishops became the Governors,
And the Priests and Monks became the Mayors.
Yes indeed, he became the image of the beast.

Rev. 13:15 “And he had power to give live unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.”

He was the image, he had the power to command and any one that stood in his way, would not except his doctrines, would be killed. The numbers estimated of victims killed by Antichrist are as high as 50 million; sounds high does it not? And I suppose there is no way to verify the number; but, when you compare the number to Russians Dictator Joseph Stalin, who in only a quarter of a century killed over 20 million of his own people, and Adolf Hitler, who in as little as a decade killed 6 million Jews, where antichrists had over 12 Centuries to do his killing, then the number doesn’t appear so large anymore. Also, when we consider the number of Saints that gave their lives as a testimony for their faith to God; how many should we think fell away for fear of torture and death? Two, three times as many? Because this is what Paul said, would be another identifying sign for the Antichrist:

2 Thes. 2:3 “Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition.”

How many of us today could stand the test, and not deny Christ, facing torture and death? Early Catholic Church history reveals that some Popes claimed to be equal to God. People infect feared the Pope more then God.

v. 4 “Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshiped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God”.

The temple of God are the saints, sitting in the temple is to say, he was in command over them, he set himself up as their god and any disobedience ended in death.

Rev. 13:16 “And he causes all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads.”

Now this is the verse that has people scared half to death; and all because it is so misunderstood. First of all, we have to keep in mind that the scriptures from verses 11 – 18, are all referring to the beast out of the earth, the imposter, the image, in short, Antichrist. Then it says, a mark, which is an indication that Antichrist has more then one mark by which those that have received it, can be identified. What are his marks? They are his doctrines. In your right hand means, you received, accepted his doctrine; in your forehead, yes you believe his doctrine. And yes, had you lived during his reign, it would not have mattered who or what you were; it was very simple; if you’re not with me then you’re against me; and that meant death.

Rev. 13:17 “And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.”

This is the other scary verse; no man might buy or sell; buy or sell what? Now that we know that these verses are not written for our time, we should also realize that they do not refer to food or any other commodity. What no man could buy or sell was the Word of God. Bibles were hard to come by and even when they were; you were caught reading or owning a bible you were killed. People were kept in the dark about the word of God; they were easier to control and fooled that way; they were left to their superstition and made to believe that the Pope had godlike powers. Only those that had the mark, the cross; Monks, Priests, Bishops and Cardinals, always wore a cross, and still do; or the name of the beast, Roman Catholic, could buy, “read”, or sell, “teach” the word of Antichrist. The number 666 is not even a mark, it is the number of his name that identifies him whose number it is as Antichrist.

v. 18 “Here is wisdom. Let him that has understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.”

The number of his name, a name could also be a title. The Pope has a crown, a triple crown, called the “tiara”. On it is an inscription in Latin; “VICARIVS FILII DEI”, which means, “Vicar of the Son of God”. Latin letters also have a numerical value,

V I C A R I V S – F I L I I – D E I
5 1 100 0 0 1 5 0 0 1 50 1 1 500 0 1 = 666

To help identify that man, whose name is that number; is the only significance of that number. Coincident? With God there are no coincidents. Why did Jesus tell us?

John 5:43 “I am come in my Father’s name, and ye receive (believe) me not; if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive (believe).”
v. 44 “How can ye believe, which receive h
onour one of another, and seek not the honour that cometh from God only?”

Have we forgotten the warning?

Mat. 24:4 “And Jesus answered and said unto them, take heed that no man deceive you.”
v. 5 “For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.”

How many Churches, denominations do we have today that call themselves Christians? And why are there so many denominations? We only have one Bible, shouldn’t every Church be teaching the same? And do they not all confess that Jesus is Christ? Where did all these churches and denominations originate? Until the early 16th Century the Pope ruled supreme, then in 1517 A.D., a German Monk, Martin Luther spoiled it all for the Pope. He dared to oppose the Pope by making his 95 disagreements with the Catholic Church public, thanks to the printing press, which had been invented a century earlier. It did not take long and others followed, broke away from the Catholic Church. Most of the blame goes to the totally corrupt and immoral behavior of the clergy. History recalls this period as the “Great Reformation”. New Churches sprang up all over Europe, in spite of the persecution. Whatever doctrine these new churches adopted, the basic teaching they held to was from the “Mother Church”, the “Roman Catholic Church”.
And how did Paul come to the Corinthians?

1 Cor. 2:1 “And I, bretheren, when I came to you, came not with excellency of speech or of wisdom, declaring unto you the testimony of God.”
v. 4 “And my speech and my preaching was not with enticing words of man’s wisdom, but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power.”
v. 5 “That your faith should not stand in the wisdom of men, but in the power of God.”

What is it that draws people to a particular church? Why do people choose to belong to a Baptist church, or a Methodist, or Lutheran, or any other denomination? I believe the most common answer would be, my parents and grand parents belonged to it. But there are other reasons why people go to a certain church, one is, its a beautiful building, another reason is, they have entertainment, and not least of all, they have a powerful and skilled speaker, he really knows what he’s talking about. It is the last reason I gave, we have to be most beware of, as Paul warned us about.

Col. 2:8 “Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments (principles) of the world, and not after Christ.”

Now let me say something about the mark of the beast, the mark of Rome, the cross. Christians are obvious very fond of the cross. We see it on top of Churches; we have it displayed in Churches, in Hospitals, in our homes and around our necks. We practically worship the cross. So I want you to consider for just a moment. What if Jesus had been beheaded as John the Baptist? Or if he had been hung as Judas did? What if the Roman soldiers had used him for target practice? What if he had died of one of a dozen other ways? Would our admiration for that object of death be the same? Would we display it the same as the cross? The cross was one of, if not the cruelest means of death. The victim was nailed to the cross naked; open to shame and ridicule, insults and harassment; unprotected from the weather, unable to defend against insect’s and birds; left hanging there till death which could take as long as a week. Jesus died that same afternoon, he laid down his life for us, no one took it from him. That is also the reason why permission had to be obtained for the release of Jesus from the cross; it was highly unusual for a victim to die so soon.

Luke 23:50 “And, behold, there was a man named Joseph, a counsellor, and he was a good man, and a just.”
v. 52 “This man went unto Pilate and begged the body of Jesus.”

And even then, a soldier made sure Jesus was dead by piercing him with a lance.
Now, we may think that Paul speaks highly of the cross;

1 Cor. 1:17 “For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel; not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect.”
v. 18 “For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.”

But he is not; it should be obvious that when Paul says, cross of Christ, he means Christ’s sacrifice on the cross. It is after all not the cross that saves us, but Christ’s death on the cross, his sacrifice, and do we think about his sacrifice when we hang a silver, or gold, or diamond studded cross around our neck? It is, like it or not, the mark of the beast. What are some of the marks of the image of the beast, Antichrist? That identifies those that have received them, right hand, and believe them, forehead?
The believe in a trinity;
The believe in the equality of the son to the Father;
The believe in man’s immortal soul;
Praying to statues of saints,
The confessing of ones sins to a Priest, a man,
Celebrating of the Mass as a sacrifice for sins,
Paying for indulgencies, etc. etc.

Rev. 14:6 “And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people.”
v. 7 “Saying with a loud voice, fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of water.”
v. 8 “And there followed another angel, saying, Babylon is fallen, is fallen, that great city, because she made all nations drink of the wine of the wrath of her fornication.”

Babylon stands for confusion, false religion. The city that has been representing Babylon is Rome, to be more precise, the Vatican in Rome. She hasn’t fallen yet, but it want be long now. The Roman Catholic Church has made all nations drunk with her false doctrines. God is saying, there is still time to come out of her system.

v. 9 “And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, if any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand.”
v. 10 “The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb.”

This is God’s last warning to stop worshiping the beast and his image. This, and the previous study thoroughly explaine who they are. This judgment will be on the entire world, and will bring about the end of this era. Jesus Christ, his angels, and the resurrected saints will be witnessing God’s judgment on the world. Fire and brimstone only emphasize the severity of God’s judgment.

v. 11 “And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.”

Just as the smoke of the prayers of the saints ascended up before God,

Rev. 8:4 “And the smoke of the incense, which came up with the prayers of the saints, ascended up before God out of the angel’s hand.”

So will the cries of those that did not heed his warning. For ever and ever, as long as God’s punishment will last. The mark of his name? The name is Rome; the mark of Rome is the cross.

Rev. 14:12 “Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.”

What is the patience of the saints?

To know the word of God and wait patiently, trusting him to carry it out. Jesus had faith in his Father, that after he died he would be resurrected.

v. 14 “And I looked, and behold a white cloud, and upon the cloud one sat like unto the son of man, having on his head a golden crown, and in his hand a sharp sickle.”
v. 15 “And another angel ca
me out of the temple, crying with a loud voice to him that sat on the cloud, thrust in thy sickle, and reap; for the time is come for thee to reap; for the harvest of the earth is ripe.”

Jesus had told us, the harvesting of the world would come at the end of the world.

Matt. 13:38 “The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one.”
v. 39 “The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels.”
v. 40 “As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world.”
v. 41 “The son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and the which do iniquity.”
v. 42 “And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.”

There are several things we have pay attention too what these scriptures are saying. Jesus is speaking of the end of this age, not far from now. God’s wrath will be on the entire world. He will gather the tares, those who do iniquity and cast them into a furnace of fire, this is not the lake of fire, this is not God’s final judgment. He will punish all that have ignored his word; there will be much suffering; wailing and gnashing of teeth, the smoke of their torment shall ascent up before God, who will turn away. He had allowed both, the wheat and the tares, to grow until harvesting.

v. 30 “Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, gather ye together first the tares, and bind them to bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn.”

This is what we read in,

Rev. 14:17 “And another angel came out of the temple which is in heaven, he also having a sharp sickle.”
v. 18 “And another angel came out from the altar, which had power over fire; and cried with a loud cry to him that had the sharp sickle, saying, thrust in thy sharp sickle, and gather the clusters of the vine of the earth; for her grapes are fully ripe.”
v. 19 “And the angel thrust in his sickle into the earth, and gathered the vine of the earth, and cast it into the great winepress of the wrath of God.”

The great winepress is synonymous with, a furnace of fire.

v. 20 “And the winepress was trodden without the city, and blood came out of the winepress, even unto the horses bridles, by the space of a thousand and six hundred furlongs.”

“Without the city”, this city are God’s holy saints, they are protected from the wrath of God. The “winepress” and the “river of 200 miles of blood”, are symbolic in a way. We assume it is a river, because it is 200 miles long, and four and a half feet deep; it doesn’t say how wide; if it was only 100 feet wide, it would require the blood of the entire world population; and that is precisely the point being made hear.
Noah was told to build an Ark, and it saved him and his family; what God is asking us today don’t come close to the time and labor involved of building an Ark.
Our tradition can be our worst enemy; it’s like quicksand, hard to get out off, even when shown the truth. Jesus referred to it as new wine.

Luke 5:37 “And no man putteth new wine into old bottles; else the new wine will burst the bottles, and be spilled, and the bottles shall perish.”
v. 38 “But new wine must be put into new bottles; and both are preserved.”
v. 39 “No man also having drunk old wine straightway desireth new; for he saith, the old is better.”

I know first hand change doesn’t come easy, and it doesn’t come quick, but I have also learned, God is a patient God, he works the miracles, he expects no miracles from us. We are living in the most serious of generation. Remember the Fig Tree?

Mat. 24:32 “Now learn a parable of the fig tree, when his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh.”

This fig tree is Israel; it put forth leaves in 1948 when Israel became a Nation again

v. 33 “So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the door.”
v. 34 “Verily I say unto you, this generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.”

We are seeing all these things, and more. The bible tells us what a generation is.

Ps. 90:10 “The days of our years are threescore years and ten (70 years); and if by reason of stength (health) they be fourscore years (80 years), yet is their strength labour and sorrow; for it is soon cut off, and we fly away.”

In other words, a generation is 70 years; 1948 plus 70 years, you do the math. Do we hear God’s call; come out of her my people? Do we even understand what God is calling us to come out of? Do we understand, any church, which teaches any doctrine that Antichrist is teaching, has received a mark?

Rev. 18:4 “And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.”

“Her”, is the woman sitting on the scarlet colored beast, she represents “all” false religion. It is not what we call ourselves that matters; it is what God calls us “my people” that matters. We are only his people if we believe him. To be spared from “her plagues” you have to know the doctrines of God. God has punished his chosen people, the Israelites, very severely for their idolatry and disobediens;

Hos. 4:6 “My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge: because thou has rejected knowledge, I will also reject thee…”

A lack of knowledge or lack of understanding of the word of God shows a lack of interest in the word of God and God himself. We put to much trust in others; read what God says in;

Eze. 14:13 “Son of man, when the land sinneth against me by trespassing grievously, then will I stretch out mine hand upon it, and will break the staff of the bread thereof, and will send famine upon it, and will cut off man and beast from it.”
v. 14 “Though these three men, Noah, Daniel, and Job, were in it, they should deliver but their own souls by their righteousness, saith the Lord God.”
v. 15 “If I cause noisome beasts (enemy nations) to pass through the land, and they spoil it, so that it be desolate, that no man may pass through because of the beasts.”
v. 16 “Though these three men were in it, as I live, saith the Lord God, they shall deliver neither sons nor daughters; they only shall be delivered, but the land shall be desolate.”
v. 17 “Or if I bring a sword upon that land, and say, Sword, go through the land; so that I cut off man and beast from it.”
v. 18 “Though these three men were in it, as I live, saith the Lord God, they shall deliver neither sons nor daughters; but they only shall be delivered themselves.”
v. 19 “Or if I send a pestilence into that land, and pour out my fury upon it in blood, to cut off from it man and beast.”
v. 20 “Though Noah, Daniel, and Job, were in it, as I live, saith the Lord God, they shall deliver neither son nor daughter; they shall but deliver their own souls by their righteousness.”

Not even these holy men could deliver us, it is really very plain, if you ignore his warning now, he will ignore your cry later.

Jer. 11:11 “Therefore thus saith the LORD, behold, I will bring evil upon them, which they shall not be able to escape; and though they shall cry unto me, I will not hearken unto them.”

It doesn’t matter who teaches us, it is our responsibility to prove all things, ignorance will not save you, and neither will blaming others.

Again, take your time reading.

Georg

December 9, 2009 at 1:44 am#210725

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Hey Con: If what you are saying is that the “man” that you are referring to is a man that doesn't believe in Jesus the Christ then you and I agree!

All these in your list would be anti-Christ.

Yes these all would fit the billet of “AN” Anti-Christ, is it possible that there is “THE” Anti-Christ? Just wondering?

December 9, 2009 at 1:50 am#210726

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Const

Let me ask you first, have you read my article on Antichrist on page 4 on “Biblical Prophecy”?

Georg

Yes I read it, it seems to parallel the same thought of the Seventh-Day Adventist, I roomed with one many years ago when I went to Brophy Prep, but never could figure out if it was Napolean, Constantine, or the Pope they believed was the Anti-Christ.

So who or what do you believe is the Anti-Christ?

December 9, 2009 at 1:55 am#210727

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what you think?

From what you have showed, it has alot of merit. Now I cannot remember though, does not the Anti-Christ live up to the coming of the Lord, or is he killed off before that? Do you remember?

December 9, 2009 at 1:56 am#210728

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hi georg
Mat. 24:32 “Now learn a parable of the fig tree, when his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh.”

This fig tree is Israel; it put forth leaves in 1948 when Israel became a Nation again

if you can prove that the figue three is Isreal then and only then is part of your story good ,I have allready ask you this question,I want to believe you but i can t because of the knowledge i possessed from the scriptures not invented.

December 9, 2009 at 2:07 am#210724

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hi georg

Posted: Dec. 09 2009,11:16

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To all, this is a repeat, it tells you “who and what” Antichrist is.
It may be long, but it's worth reading.

terraricca

Posted: Dec. 02 2007,10:48

A N T I C H R I S T

Antichrist has many names, or titles, if you will. He is also known as “the little horn”, as “the beast out of the earth”, as “the image of the beast”, he is also called “the false prophet”, and “the imposter”; and the truth is he is all of them. The first time reference is given to him, is in the book of Daniel
i believe “the little horn ,and the beast out of the earth and the false prophet are all very different from each other.
and they are not the antichrist to come or the man of lawlessness.
i understand that any one oposed to Christ is a antichrist just like at the time of Paul.but this is not what is transpiring here.

December 9, 2009 at 2:11 am#210723

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hi georg

Posted: Dec. 09 2009,11:16

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To all, this is a repeat, it tells you “who and what” Antichrist is.
It may be long, but it's worth reading.

terraricca

Posted: Dec. 02 2007,10:48

A N T I C H R I S T

So is the Anti-Christ a Person? Political Power, Or a Theological Power (Church)? Or a combination of all three?

:cool:

December 9, 2009 at 4:01 am#210722

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Rev 13:1 ¶ And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.

Rev 13:2 And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as [the feet] of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority.

Rev 13:3 And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast.
Rev 17:8 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.

Rev 17:9 And here [is] the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth.

Rev 17:10 And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, [and] the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.

Rev 17:11 And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.

Rev 17:12 And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast.

Rev 17:13 These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast.

Rev 17:14 These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him [are] called, and chosen, and faithful.

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The scriptures state that the beast has seven heads and ten horns and that at the time that John was writing this five of these kingdoms had fallen, and those were nations which ruled over the nation of Israel, Egypt, Assyria, Babylonia, Media/Persia, Greece, and the John states that the time he was writing this one of the seven existed at that time, and that kingdom was Rome, and he states that a seventh would come after Rome and would continue a short time, perhaps the British Empire (the Ottoman Empire lasted more than a short time). Out of these seven and eighth empire will rule over the nation of Israel and the scripture states will go into perdition. This kingdom will be wounded unto death and then will make a come back in the end. (The kingdom will ascend out of the bottomless pit)

At the present time Iran is increasingly becoming a threat to the nation of Israel, and the scriptures name Persia, Ethiopia, and Lybia by name and others with them, I believe that Syria will be with them, that will come against Israel. They will apparently overcome the nation of Israel, and then God will intervene, and this is when they will receive the wound by the sword, that is, when God intervenes.

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Eze 38:2 Son of man, set thy face against Gog, the land of Magog, the chief prince of Meshech and Tubal, and prophesy against him,

Eze 38:3 And say, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I [am] against thee, O Gog, the chief prince of Meshech and Tubal:

Eze 38:4 And I will turn thee back, and put hooks into thy jaws, and I will bring thee forth, and all thine army, horses and horsemen, all of them clothed with all sorts [of armour, even] a great company [with] bucklers and shields, all of them handling swords:

Eze 38:5 Persia, Ethiopia, and Libya with them; all of them with shield and helmet:

Eze 38:6 Gomer, and all his bands; the house of Togarmah of the north quarters, and all his bands: [and] many people with thee.

Eze 38:7 ¶ Be thou prepared, and prepare for thyself, thou, and all thy company that are assembled unto thee, and be thou a guard unto them.

Eze 38:8 After many days thou shalt be visited: in the latter years thou shalt come into the land [that is] brought back from the sword, [and is] gathered out of many people, against the mountains of Israel, which have been always waste: but it is brought forth out of the nations, and they shall dwell safely all of them.

Eze 38:9 Thou shalt ascend and come like a storm, thou shalt be like a cloud to cover the land, thou, and all thy bands, and many people with thee.

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Zec 14:1 ¶ Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee.

Zec 14:2 For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city.

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Eze 38:18 ¶ And it shall come to pass at the same time when Gog shall come against the land of Israel, saith the Lord GOD, [that] my fury shall come up in my face.

Eze 38:19 For in my jealousy [and] in the fire of my wrath have I spoken, Surely in that day there shall be a great shaking in the land of Israel;

Eze 38:20 So that the fishes of the sea, and the fowls of the heaven, and the beasts of the field, and all creeping things that creep upon the earth, and all the men that [are] upon the face of the earth, shall shake at my presence, and the mountains shall be thrown down, and the steep places shall fall, and every wall shall fall to the ground.

Eze 38:21 And I will call for a sword against him throughout all my mountains, saith the Lord GOD: every man's sword shall be against his brother.

Eze 38:22 And I will plead against him with pestilence and with blood; and I will rain upon him, and upon his bands, and upon the many people that [are] with him, an overflowing rain, and great hailstones, fire, and brimstone.

Eze 38:23 Thus will I magnify myself, and sanctify myself; and I will be known in the eyes of many nations, and they shall know that I [am] the LORD.

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Zec 14:3 ¶ Then shall the LORD go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle.
Zec 14:12 ¶ And this shall be the plague wherewith the LORD will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth.

Following this intervention by God, there will be a period of peace, and during this time the temple will be rebuilt and animal sacrifices will be offered by those of the nation of Israel who do not believe that Jesus is the Messiah.

During the period of peace all nations will come to Jerusalem (this is not literal Jerusalem, but to the city that is teaching peace (the word Jerusalem means, teaching of peace), specifically, teaching of
peace with God through the Lord Jesus. The Feast of Tabernaces refers to our worship of God in our temporary bodies.

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Zec 14:16 ¶ And it shall come to pass, [that] every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles.

Zec 14:17 And it shall be, [that] whoso will not come up of [all] the families of the earth unto Jerusalem to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, even upon them shall be no rain.

Zec 14:18 And if the family of Egypt go not up, and come not, that [have] no [rain]; there shall be the plague, wherewith the LORD will smite the heathen that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.

Zec 14:19 This shall be the punishment of Egypt, and the punishment of all nations that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.

Zec 14:20 ¶ In that day shall there be upon the bells of the horses, HOLINESS UNTO THE LORD; and the pots in the LORD'S house shall be like the bowls before the altar.

Zec 14:21 Yea, every pot in Jerusalem and in Judah shall be holiness unto the LORD of hosts: and all they that sacrifice shall come and take of them, and seethe therein: and in that day there shall be no more the Canaanite in the house of the LORD of hosts.

After this period, then the Anti-Christ will stop the Jews from offering animal sacrifices and 1290 days from that time he will set himself up in the temple showing himself to be God. This is the abomination of desolation spoken of by Daniel. The great tribulation will begin and approximately 45 days from this time the church will be raptured out of this world, and those who are alive who were not saved will be judged by the seven last plagues.

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Dan 11:29 ¶ At the time appointed he shall return, and come toward the south; but it shall not be as the former, or as the latter.

Dan 11:30 For the ships of Chittim shall come against him: therefore he shall be grieved, and return, and have indignation against the holy covenant: so shall he do; he shall even return, and have intelligence with them that forsake the holy covenant.

Dan 11:31 And arms shall stand on his part, and they shall pollute the sanctuary of strength, and shall take away the daily [sacrifice], and they shall place the abomination that maketh desolate.

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Dan 12:10 Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand.

Dan 12:11 And from the time [that] the daily [sacrifice] shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, [there shall be] a thousand two hundred and ninety days.

Dan 12:12 Blessed [is] he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days.

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Mat 24:15 ¶ When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)

Mat 24:16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:

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Zec 14:4 And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which [is] before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, [and there shall be] a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.

Zec 14:5 And ye shall flee [to] the valley of the mountains; for the valley of the mountains shall reach unto Azal: yea, ye shall flee, like as ye fled from before the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah: and the LORD my God shall come, [and] all the saints with thee.

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Mat 24:29 ¶ Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

Mat 24:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

Mat 24:31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

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2Th 2:6 And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.

2Th 2:7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth [will let], until he be taken out of the way.

2Th 2:8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:

2Th 2:9 [Even him], whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,

2Th 2:10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.

2Th 2:11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:

2Th 2:12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

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Rev 13:8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.
Rev 16:2 And the first went, and poured out his vial upon the earth; and there fell a noisome and grievous sore upon the men which had the mark of the beast, and [upon] them which worshipped his image.

Love in Christ,
Marty

December 9, 2009 at 4:09 am#210721

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hi ron
the reason that my choise falls on Constantine, he is a pagan roman,he started all,and his empire still with us today,just as is babylone
its as well to is similarity to the babylone of the time of Daniel,because in revelation she is called “BABYLONE THE GREATH'”
the fact that he is called the antichrist is that he is in power to fight against christ people so this would mean Gods kingdom .
history as proven this without dought.
2thess 2;3 the rebellion is the christian churches accepting to become state church,and constantine was the head of that church.

December 9, 2009 at 8:04 am#210729

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hi georg

Posted: Dec. 09 2009,11:16

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To all, this is a repeat, it tells you “who and what” Antichrist is.
It may be long, but it's worth reading.

terraricca

Posted: Dec. 02 2007,10:48

A N T I C H R I S T

So is the Anti-Christ a Person? Political Power, Or a Theological Power (Church)? Or a combination of all three?

:cool:

Ron

A combination of the three.
It is no longer a power, but it was mainly a theological power that ruled over states also, let by a man.

Georg

December 9, 2009 at 8:31 am#210730

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Rev 13:1 ¶ And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.

Rev 17:9 And here [is] the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth.

Rev 17:10 And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, [and] the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.

Rev 17:11 And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.

Rev 17:12 And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast.

Rev 17:13 These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast.

Rev 17:14 These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him [are] called, and chosen, and faithful.

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Eze 38:2 Son of man, set thy face against Gog, the land of Magog, the chief prince of Meshech and Tubal, and prophesy against him,

Eze 38:3 And say, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I [am] against thee, O Gog, the chief prince of Meshech and Tubal:

Eze 38:5 Persia, Ethiopia, and Libya with them; all of them with shield and helmet:

Eze 38:6 Gomer, and all his bands; the house of Togarmah of the north quarters, and all his bands: [and] many people with thee.

Eze 38:7 ¶ Be thou prepared, and prepare for thyself, thou, and all thy company that are assembled unto thee, and be thou a guard unto them.

Eze 38:9 Thou shalt ascend and come like a storm, thou shalt be like a cloud to cover the land, thou, and all thy bands, and many people with thee.

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Zec 14:1 ¶ Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee.

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Eze 38:18 ¶ And it shall come to pass at the same time when Gog shall come against the land of Israel, saith the Lord GOD, [that] my fury shall come up in my face.

Eze 38:19 For in my jealousy [and] in the fire of my wrath have I spoken, Surely in that day there shall be a great shaking in the land of Israel;

Eze 38:21 And I will call for a sword against him throughout all my mountains, saith the Lord GOD: every man's sword shall be against his brother.

Eze 38:23 Thus will I magnify myself, and sanctify myself; and I will be known in the eyes of many nations, and they shall know that I [am] the LORD.

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During the period of peace all nations will come to Jerusalem (this is not literal Jerusalem, but to the city that is teaching peace (the word Jerusalem means, teaching of peace), specifically, teaching of peace with God through the Lord Jesus. The Feast of Tabernaces refers to our worship of God in our temporary bodies.

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Zec 14:17 And it shall be, [that] whoso will not come up of [all] the families of the earth unto Jerusalem to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, even upon them shall be no rain.

Zec 14:19 This shall be the punishment of Egypt, and the punishment of all nations that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.

Zec 14:20 ¶ In that day shall there be upon the bells of the horses, HOLINESS UNTO THE LORD; and the pots in the LORD'S house shall be like the bowls before the altar.

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Dan 11:29 ¶ At the time appointed he shall return, and come toward the south; but it shall not be as the former, or as the latter.

Dan 11:31 And arms shall stand on his part, and they shall pollute the sanctuary of strength, and shall take away the daily [sacrifice], and they shall place the abomination that maketh desolate.

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Dan 12:10 Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand.

Dan 12:11 And from the time [that] the daily [sacrifice] shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, [there shall be] a thousand two hundred and ninety days.

Dan 12:12 Blessed [is] he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days.

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Mat 24:15 ¶ When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)

Mat 24:16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:

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Mat 24:31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

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2Th 2:6 And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.

2Th 2:7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth [will let], until he be taken out of the way.

2Th 2:8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:

2Th 2:9 [Even him], whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,

2Th 2:10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.

2Th 2:11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:

2Th 2:12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

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Love in Christ,
Marty

So in your opinion the Anti-Christ is a Political Power or Country?

Such as Iran?

December 9, 2009 at 8:33 am#210731

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hi georg

Posted: Dec. 09 2009,11:16

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To all, this is a repeat, it tells you “who and what” Antichrist is.
It may be long, but it's worth reading.

terraricca

Posted: Dec. 02 2007,10:48

A N T I C H R I S T

So is the Anti-Christ a Person? Political Power, Or a Theological Power (Church)? Or a combination of all three?

:cool:

Ron

A combination of the three.
It is no longer a power, but it was mainly a theological power that ruled over states also, let by a man.

Georg

So, in your opinion is the Anti-Christ gone now?

December 9, 2009 at 8:38 am#210732