What is sin this thread is for tim kraft.

[Ed J]

Quote (ftk @ Dec. 22 2011,21:41)

Ed: I pity your lies to defend your doctrines!  Even the very new-born children, in Christ, know that they are the “TEMPLE” of God!   Even those with no seminary training at the “nursery school” for preachers know that the Church of the New Testament is the body of Christ!  Even the babies know that they are baptized of the Father/Son and Holy Spirit that dwell and make their ''abode'' inside them. They all know that they are the House of the lord. God is inside just a whisper away. God dwells in ones heart! So, stop the lies! You know and I know the true Church of God is in the body of a human being.   TK

Hi Tim,

What lies?

God bless
Ed J (Matt.5:44)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[theodorej]

Quote (Ed J @ Dec. 22 2011,21:52)

Quote (ftk @ Dec. 22 2011,21:41) Ed: I pity your lies to defend your doctrines!  Even the very new-born children, in Christ, know that they are the “TEMPLE” of God!   Even those with no seminary training at the “nursery school” for preachers know that the Church of the New Testament is the body of Christ!  Even the babies know that they are baptized of the Father/Son and Holy Spirit that dwell and make their ''abode'' inside them. They all know that they are the House of the lord. God is inside just a whisper away. God dwells in ones heart! So, stop the lies! You know and I know the true Church of God is in the body of a human being.   TK Hi Tim, What lies? God bless Ed J (Matt.5:44) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

Greetings Ed ….. How are we to recognize this church

[Ed J]

Quote (theodorej @ Dec. 23 2011,23:17)

Greetings Ed ….. How are we to recognize this church

Hi Theodore J,

John 13:34-35 A new commandment I give unto you,
That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another.
35 By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another.

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[terraricca]

edj

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John 13:34-35 A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another.

I would like that you tell me what are the principals bases for that love ??

because Christ also says that he came with a sword ,and that it will divided family members and put each against the other ,friends included ,

so with this in mind ;how do you think to accomplish that LOVE

Pierre

[Ed J]

Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 24 2011,18:44)

edj Quote John 13:34-35 A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another. I would like that you tell me what are the principals bases for that love ?? because Christ also says that he came with a sword ,and that it will divided family members and put each against the other ,friends included , so with this in mind ;how do you think to accomplish that LOVE Pierre

Hi Pierre,

Matt.10:34-35 refers to them no longer having a cloak to hide their sin.
John 15:22-23 If I had not come and spoken unto them, they had not had sin:
but now they have no cloak for their sin. 23 He that hateth me hateth my Father also.
Jesus doesn't break up families, their sin does; perhaps you were never taught this truth?

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[ftk]

Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 24 2011,18:44)

edj Quote John 13:34-35 A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another. I would like that you tell me what are the principals bases for that love ?? because Christ also says that he came with a sword ,and that it will divided family members and put each against the other ,friends included , so with this in mind ;how do you think to accomplish that LOVE Pierre

Pierre: Jesus the word of God did come to do two things at once.

The word of God has two edges, one to cut away the lies and doctrinal untruth carried over from the old covenant and laws and rules and rituals etc., which produced sin and darkness in a man because he always felt short of good and perfect……!

the other side of the sword of the spirit plants and grows and builds up mankind, gives man life and peace with God. Sinless perfection paid for by Jesus and given to mankind to live in pure life, love, peace, joy etc., with no requirements or demands to work or do this, don't do that, stop this, take up that, etc.!

Evil doctrines and errors of sin are cut away from the mind of the believing and what is left is the perfection given by Jesus. IMO, TK

[terraricca]

Quote (ftk @ Jan. 02 2012,09:35)

Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 24 2011,18:44) edj Quote John 13:34-35 A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another. I would like that you tell me what are the principals bases for that love ?? because Christ also says that he came with a sword ,and that it will divided family members and put each against the other ,friends included , so with this in mind ;how do you think to accomplish that LOVE Pierre Pierre:  Jesus the word of God did come to do two things at once. The word of God has two edges, one to cut away the lies and doctrinal untruth carried over from the old covenant and laws and rules and rituals etc., which produced sin and darkness in a man because he always felt short of good and perfect……! the other side of the sword of the spirit plants and grows and builds up mankind, gives man life and peace with God. Sinless perfection paid for by Jesus and given to mankind to live in pure life, love, peace, joy etc., with no requirements or demands to work or do this, don't do that, stop this, take up that, etc.! Evil doctrines and errors of sin are cut away from the mind of the believing and what is left is the perfection given by Jesus. IMO, TK

tk

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Pierre: Jesus the word of God did come to do two things at once. The word of God has two edges, one to cut away the lies and doctrinal untruth carried over from the old covenant and laws and rules and rituals etc., which produced sin and darkness in a man because he always felt short of good and perfect……! the other side of the sword of the spirit plants and grows and builds up mankind, gives man life and peace with God. Sinless perfection paid for by Jesus and given to mankind to live in pure life, love, peace, joy etc., with no requirements or demands to work or do this, don't do that, stop this, take up that, etc.! Evil doctrines and errors of sin are cut away from the mind of the believing and what is left is the perfection given by Jesus. IMO, TK

I do not want to sound rude but all what you said is crap,
no scriptures just opinions

first Christ came because God told in his word that he will send his son ,and that he will bring back to him many of his people;

Isa 1:2 Hear, O heavens! Listen, O earth!
For the LORD has spoken:
“I reared children and brought them up,
but they have rebelled against me.
Isa 1:3 The ox knows his master,
the donkey his owner’s manger,
but Israel does not know,
my people do not understand.”

Isa 1:4 Ah, sinful nation,
a people loaded with guilt,
a brood of evildoers,
children given to corruption!
They have forsaken the LORD;
they have spurned the Holy One of Israel
and turned their backs on him.

Isa 1:10 Hear the word of the LORD,
you rulers of Sodom;
listen to the law of our God,
you people of Gomorrah!
Isa 1:11 “The multitude of your sacrifices—
what are they to me?” says the LORD.
“I have more than enough of burnt offerings,
of rams and the fat of fattened animals;
I have no pleasure
in the blood of bulls and lambs and goats.
Isa 1:12 When you come to appear before me,
who has asked this of you,
this trampling of my courts?
Isa 1:13 Stop bringing meaningless offerings!
Your incense is detestable to me.
New Moons, Sabbaths and convocations—
I cannot bear your evil assemblies.
Isa 1:14 Your New Moon festivals and your appointed feasts
my soul hates.
They have become a burden to me;
I am weary of bearing them.
Isa 1:15 When you spread out your hands in prayer,
I will hide my eyes from you;
even if you offer many prayers,
I will not listen.
Your hands are full of blood;

Isa 1:16 wash and make yourselves clean.
Take your evil deeds
out of my sight!
Stop doing wrong,
Isa 1:17 learn to do right!
Seek justice,
encourage the oppressed.
Defend the cause of the fatherless,
plead the case of the widow.

Isa 1:18 “Come now, let us reason together,”
says the LORD.
“Though your sins are like scarlet,
they shall be as white as snow;
though they are red as crimson,
they shall be like wool.

Isa 1:19 If you are willing and obedient,
you will eat the best from the land;
Isa 1:20 but if you resist and rebel,
you will be devoured by the sword.”
For the mouth of the LORD has spoken

Isa 2:2 In the last days
the mountain of the LORD'S temple will be established
as chief among the mountains;
it will be raised above the hills,
and all nations will stream to it.
Isa 2:3 Many peoples will come and say,
“Come, let us go up to the mountain of the LORD,
to the house of the God of Jacob.
He will teach us his ways,
so that we may walk in his paths.”
The law will go out from Zion,
the word of the LORD from Jerusalem.
Isa 2:4 He will judge between the nations
and will settle disputes for many peoples.

this is only but a few verses of the reason of the coming of Christ ,but above all the reasons it is for the glory of God not for us ,

Pierre

[ftk]

PIERRE!

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I do not want to sound rude but all what you said is crap, no scriptures just opinions

SORRY PIERRE…..NO MORE OPINIONS OF CRAP….PLEASE, NO MORE QUESTIONS! GOD BLESS YOU! TK

[Ed J]

Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 02 2012,04:09)

Quote (ftk @ Jan. 02 2012,09:35) Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 24 2011,18:44) edj Quote John 13:34-35 A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another. I would like that you tell me what are the principals bases for that love ?? because Christ also says that he came with a sword ,and that it will divided family members and put each against the other ,friends included , so with this in mind ;how do you think to accomplish that LOVE Pierre Pierre:  Jesus the word of God did come to do two things at once. The word of God has two edges, one to cut away the lies and doctrinal untruth carried over from the old covenant and laws and rules and rituals etc., which produced sin and darkness in a man because he always felt short of good and perfect……! the other side of the sword of the spirit plants and grows and builds up mankind, gives man life and peace with God. Sinless perfection paid for by Jesus and given to mankind to live in pure life, love, peace, joy etc., with no requirements or demands to work or do this, don't do that, stop this, take up that, etc.! Evil doctrines and errors of sin are cut away from the mind of the believing and what is left is the perfection given by Jesus. IMO, TK tk Quote Pierre:  Jesus the word of God did come to do two things at once. The word of God has two edges, one to cut away the lies and doctrinal untruth carried over from the old covenant and laws and rules and rituals etc., which produced sin and darkness in a man because he always felt short of good and perfect……! the other side of the sword of the spirit plants and grows and builds up mankind, gives man life and peace with God. Sinless perfection paid for by Jesus and given to mankind to live in pure life, love, peace, joy etc., with no requirements or demands to work or do this, don't do that, stop this, take up that, etc.! Evil doctrines and errors of sin are cut away from the mind of the believing and what is left is the perfection given by Jesus. IMO, TK I do not want to sound rude but all what you said is crap, no scriptures just opinions first Christ came because God told in his word that he will send his son ,and that he will bring back to him many of his people; Isa 1:2 Hear, O heavens! Listen, O earth! For the LORD has spoken: “I reared children and brought them up, but they have rebelled against me. Isa 1:3 The ox knows his master, the donkey his owner’s manger, but Israel does not know, my people do not understand.” Isa 1:4 Ah, sinful nation, a people loaded with guilt, a brood of evildoers, children given to corruption! They have forsaken the LORD; they have spurned the Holy One of Israel and turned their backs on him. Isa 1:10 Hear the word of the LORD, you rulers of Sodom; listen to the law of our God, you people of Gomorrah! Isa 1:11 “The multitude of your sacrifices— what are they to me?” says the LORD. “I have more than enough of burnt offerings, of rams and the fat of fattened animals; I have no pleasure in the blood of bulls and lambs and goats. Isa 1:12 When you come to appear before me, who has asked this of you, this trampling of my courts? Isa 1:13 Stop bringing meaningless offerings! Your incense is detestable to me. New Moons, Sabbaths and convocations— I cannot bear your evil assemblies. Isa 1:14 Your New Moon festivals and your appointed feasts my soul hates. They have become a burden to me; I am weary of bearing them. Isa 1:15 When you spread out your hands in prayer, I will hide my eyes from you; even if you offer many prayers, I will not listen. Your hands are full of blood; Isa 1:16 wash and make yourselves clean. Take your evil deeds out of my sight! Stop doing wrong, Isa 1:17 learn to do right! Seek justice, encourage the oppressed. Defend the cause of the fatherless, plead the case of the widow. Isa 1:18 “Come now, let us reason together,” says the LORD. “Though your sins are like scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they are red as crimson, they shall be like wool. Isa 1:19 If you are willing and obedient, you will eat the best from the land; Isa 1:20 but if you resist and rebel, you will be devoured by the sword.” For the mouth of the LORD has spoken Isa 2:2 In the last days the mountain of the LORD'S temple will be established as chief among the mountains; it will be raised above the hills, and all nations will stream to it. Isa 2:3 Many peoples will come and say, “Come, let us go up to the mountain of the LORD, to the house of the God of Jacob. He will teach us his ways, so that we may walk in his paths.” The law will go out from Zion, the word of the LORD from Jerusalem. Isa 2:4 He will judge between the nations and will settle disputes for many peoples. this is only but a few verses of the reason of the coming of Christ ,but above all the reasons it is for the glory of God not for us , Pierre

Hi Pierre,

Excellent Post!

Your brother
in Christ, Jesus.
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
holycitybiblecode.org

[ftk]

Pierre: or Ed

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first Christ came because God told in his word that he will send his son ,and that he will bring back to him many of his people;

Why did Jesus have to come to the Earth?

What was the need for a second covenant? TK

[Ed J]

Quote (ftk @ Jan. 03 2012,00:46)

Pierre: or Ed 1) Why did Jesus have to come to the Earth? 2) What was the need for a second covenant?  TK

Hi Tim, I'm glad you've finally decided to start asking questions,
instead of just continually ignoring what we have been saying.

1) That He might destroy the works of the devil. (1John 3:8)

2) To put God's laws into out hearts. (Jeremiah 31:31-34)

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[terraricca]

Quote (ftk @ Jan. 03 2012,07:03)

PIERRE!   Quote I do not want to sound rude but all what you said is crap, no scriptures just opinions SORRY PIERRE…..NO MORE OPINIONS OF CRAP….PLEASE, NO MORE QUESTIONS! GOD BLESS YOU! TK

tk

I like the answers in scriptures not out of opinion I have already those of my own,

I am looking for understanding within the scriptures not out of it

Pierre

[ftk]

Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 03 2012,09:03)

Quote (ftk @ Jan. 03 2012,00:46) Pierre: or Ed 1) Why did Jesus have to come to the Earth? 2) What was the need for a second covenant?  TK Hi Tim, I'm glad you've finally decided to start asking questions, instead of just continually ignoring what we have been saying. 1) That He might destroy the works of the devil. (1John 3:8) 2) To put God's laws into out hearts. (Jeremiah 31:31-34) God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

Ed:

1) Did he destroy the works of the devil?

2)What are the works of the devil?

3) You say…Jesus came to the earth to put Gods laws into our hearts!…..The law was here and written in the old covenant….When a person hears someone preach(the law) or reads information(the law) that information immediately goes to their heart! What did Jesus do that helped put the law in the heart!

4) Was mankind saved from sin in the old testament?

TK

[Ed J]

Quote (ftk @ Jan. 04 2012,01:23)

Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 03 2012,09:03) Quote (ftk @ Jan. 03 2012,00:46) Pierre: or Ed 1) Why did Jesus have to come to the Earth? 2) What was the need for a second covenant?  TK Hi Tim, I'm glad you've finally decided to start asking questions, instead of just continually ignoring what we have been saying. 1) That He might destroy the works of the devil. (1John 3:8) 2) To put God's laws into out hearts. (Jeremiah 31:31-34) God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org Ed: 1) Did he destroy the works of the devil? 2)What are the works of the devil? 3) (A)You say…Jesus came to the earth to put Gods laws into our hearts!…..(B)The law was here and written in the old covenant….(C)When a person hears someone preach(the law) or reads information(the law) that information immediately goes to their heart! (D)What did Jesus do that helped put the law in the heart! 4) Was mankind saved from sin in the old testament? TK

Hi Tim,

1) In born again believers. (1John 5:18)

2) There are more, but here's a short list for you: fornication, uncleanness,
    inordinate affection, evil concupiscence, and covetousness, which is idolatry: (Col.3:5)

3) A. You're applying the answer that I gave to your SECOND question, to the FIRST question.
        Do you even realize that you did this? Perhaps this is why you have trouble understanding God's word?
    B. And your point is…
    C. Huh?
    D. Die on the cross.

4) I don't understand this question, can you please reword it?

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[Ed J]

Quote (seekingtruth @ Jan. 07 2012,22:54)

Tim, Once again, works are a result of salvation, not, salvation a result of works.

Hi Wm,

MANY OF US have been telling Tim this all important point
(myself, Pierre, TheodoreJ, and the list goes on),
but he seems to keep missing the point!
wanting to believe the opposite!

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[ftk]

Ed: You put the above post on the Bible Prophecy… ''two witnesses'' thread….I answered there!

[Ed J]

Hi Tim,

I also put it here because it is one of the points you keep making,
yet no-one here has objected to this premise, EVER!;
still you keep repeating it as if we had.

If you are not able to resolve this simple point,
how can you possibly resolve “what sin is”?

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[ftk]

Ed: I ask you earlier,….What are the works of the Devil? You answered….

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2) There are more, but here's a short list for you: fornication, uncleanness, inordinate affection, evil concupiscence, and covetousness, which is idolatry: (Col.3:5)…

THAT IS A LIE!…. THE DEVIL DOES NOT TRY TO ENTICE YOU TO ''DO'' THESE THINGS!….THAT IS NOT WHAT THE DEVIL DOES!!

ALL EVIL IS A DISTORTION OF THE TRUTH. THERE IS ONLY THE “TRUTH'' OF GOD OR DISTORTED, ERRANT VERSIONS OF THE TRUTH THAT WILL EVENTUALLY FALL AWAY. ANY FORM OF EVIL/DEATH IS A DISTORTED VERSION OF GODS TRUTH OF LIFE!

That is the misunderstood lies of the devil at work!! Satan is a liar…against the truth! Devils are lies, not of the truth! The works of the “devil'' are lies, deceptions, and misunderstandings.. AGAINST.. the truth of God!!

Religious devils have made the works of Satan something mankind does or doesn't do like works or deeds in life to be graded by or judged to see if we are good little troopers. This is the lie from evil! Evil comes against the truth. Evil teaches distorted truth. When Jesus was being tested in the wilderness, the devil used the word of God to destroy him. He said, come on it is written…thou shalt bear thyself up lest you dash your foot against a stone. Jesus answered with…..accurate word of God. The war mankind has is for the truth. The devil fights with the truth of God, attempting to deceive a man to accept his own destruction. Lies unto death. Lies against the truth of life. Trickery and cunning to warp the truth into something destructive and so we destroy our lives with our own mistaken truth.

The enemy or the accuser of the bretherin, is the deceiver against the truth, one who lies against the truth or tells a distorted version of the truth is the devil. NOT THE WAY YOU LIVE OR DRIVE YOUR CAR OR THINK ABOUT WOMEN OR ANY OTHER RIDICULOUS RULES YOU CAN MAKE UP….LIVE YOUR LIFE FULLY, GIVE MUCH LOVE, REAP THAT WHICH YOU SOW! IN AN OF YOURSELF….TOTAL FREE WILL CHOICE…..but if you accept the devils distorted truth you must bear pain, suffering, sickness, disease, lack, hurt, sadness all evil apart from the truth of God.

YOUR FEELINGS PLEASE, This is my opinion, TK

[Ed J]

Quote (ftk @ Jan. 27 2012,20:43)

Ed: I ask you earlier,….What are the works of the Devil?  You answered…. Quote 2) There are more, but here's a short list for you: fornication, uncleanness,    inordinate affection, evil concupiscence, and covetousness, which is idolatry: (Col.3:5)… THAT IS A LIE!…. THE DEVIL DOES NOT TRY TO ENTICE YOU TO ''DO'' THESE THINGS!….THAT IS NOT WHAT THE DEVIL DOES!!

Hi Tim,

“Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion,
walketh about, seeking whom he may devour: Whom resist stedfast in the faith,
knowing that the same afflictions are accomplished in your brethren that are in the world.” (1Peter 5:8-9)

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[ftk]

Ed: Wow! The only one between the two of us that is possibly “resisting the faith” is not me! I'm the one who says its “faith only” that makes us perfect. I'm the one who says there is no “good work'' or “good deed'' that a man can do of himself, that can add anything to his salvation or take anything away. Salvation is by faith alone. Righteousness is by faith alone. Granted that “faith” in Christ is “dead” or is laying dormant until one works the works of God with his faith. Those are healing power works through man by God!

I truly believe religion has missed (or been deceived) by who and what the “devil” is and is doing. God is everywhere! Can we agree? God is the truth! Can we agree? So, the truth is…absolute, like God,….no opposite….all there is! Truth is eternal….lies are temporal. All lies will be burned up by the spirit/truth.

Jesus came to lead mankind back to the truth of God. Did Jesus give us the truth? The truth is ''life''… That is the “way” to God! All doctrine that aligns with God is pure ''life''!

The devil or a devil or Satan et.al…..is an adversary to the truth. He is not the truth he is lies about the truth. Satan takes the truth/words of God and distorts them unto destruction instead of love and peace. This is the work of death. Death is anti-life! A death doctrine leads to death, dying, pain, suffering, sickness, disease, etc.!…..THESE THINGS ARE ANTI-TRUTH…! We have created and built great doctrines about times and seasons and names and gods and rituals…..but the Truth of God came in Christ Jesus with signs to prove. Anything anti-Jesus or anti-Christ is anti-Life or anti-Good! All knowledge of the truth or deception of the truth.

Truth is the tree of life. Truth has no death or dying in it. Any doctrines/knowledge heard that espouse evil or death or sickness or disease all of which is premature death, they are deceptions of the truth…..IF WE BUY…WE DIE!….A Devil is wrong thinking. Wrong thinking cometh to kill, steal and destroy the truth/words of God for man. Thinking apart from life or any doctrine that contains death is sin. That is errant thinking. Not of the truth.

There is no works war of “do this'' ''don't do that''! Live your life to experience life the fullest. Do anything you wish…for yourself…do not infringe upon another's rights of life. In this is perfect freedom of choice……FROM A CLEAN MIND, PURIFIED BY GOD, AND A HEART FULL OF LOVE AND THANKSGIVING COMES PURE, PERFECT LIVING…..SELF DESTRUCTION COMES FROM EVIL THINKING…..THINKING ONE IS EVIL….!! IMO, TK

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