What is or are the tribulation(s)

[terraricca]

Quote (Wakeup @ Feb. 08 2014,04:04)

T. Those are the tribulations of those days. Even this minute there are christians killed somewhere in the world. But the great tribulation coming is the great last day tribulation. This tribulation is of all the christians in every country in the world as a whole. All christians will be rounded up and put in camps in all the earth,or killed. Then Micha'el will stand up. wakeup.

w

all the Jews were not saved at the time of Jesus nor in 70ad more than a million were killed if I remember the history,those Jews were not counted as righteous with those that had accepted Christ ,

today no difference it is not the all the ones that call lord,lord that will be saved no matter what denomination they are part of ,

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T.

You need to know the new testament.
And never contradict for own gain.

Romans 11:5 Even so then at
***this present time also***
***there is a remnant according to the election of
grace***.

Of *ALL* the generations; and at this present time *today also*
There are some jews chosen by election to be brought back.
Into their own land israel.
And they will be taught by the resurrected saints.
THEY WILL BE IN PARADISE; WITH THE CRUCIFIED THIEF.

wakeup.

Wakeup.

[terraricca]

Quote (Wakeup @ Feb. 08 2014,12:24)

T. You need to know the new testament. And never contradict for own gain. Romans 11:5   Even so then at             ***this present time also***             ***there is a remnant according to the election of             grace***. Of *ALL* the generations; and at this present time *today also* There are some jews chosen by election to be brought back. Into their own land israel. And they will be taught by the resurrected saints. THEY WILL BE IN PARADISE; WITH THE CRUCIFIED THIEF. wakeup. Wakeup.

w
the remnant are the saved ones in Christ

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Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 09 2014,05:19)

Quote (Wakeup @ Feb. 08 2014,12:24) T. You need to know the new testament. And never contradict for own gain. Romans 11:5   Even so then at             ***this present time also***             ***there is a remnant according to the election of             grace***. Of *ALL* the generations; and at this present time *today also* There are some jews chosen by election to be brought back. Into their own land israel. And they will be taught by the resurrected saints. THEY WILL BE IN PARADISE; WITH THE CRUCIFIED THIEF. wakeup. Wakeup. w the remnant are the saved ones in Christ

T.

No, those jews from time past,and many today
have not believed in Christ.
But God will still choose them according to their hearts.
Like Paul the rebel, was chosen according to his heart.
Paul persecuted the christians because he loved the old testament,and his believe in God.

wakeup.

[terraricca]

Quote (Wakeup @ Feb. 09 2014,00:27)

Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 09 2014,05:19) Quote (Wakeup @ Feb. 08 2014,12:24) T. You need to know the new testament. And never contradict for own gain. Romans 11:5   Even so then at             ***this present time also***             ***there is a remnant according to the election of             grace***. Of *ALL* the generations; and at this present time *today also* There are some jews chosen by election to be brought back. Into their own land israel. And they will be taught by the resurrected saints. THEY WILL BE IN PARADISE; WITH THE CRUCIFIED THIEF. wakeup. Wakeup. w the remnant are the saved ones in Christ T. No, those jews from time past,and many today have not believed in Christ. But God will still choose them according to their hearts. Like Paul the rebel, was chosen according to his heart. Paul persecuted the christians because he loved the old testament,and his believe in God. wakeup.

show me in scriptures that those who rejected God will in deed be saved by Christ

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T.

I have given you romans 11:5.
But you could not comprehend what Paul is talking about.
Many more in the old proph.

wakeup.

[terraricca]

Quote (Wakeup @ Feb. 09 2014,11:09)

T. I have given you romans 11:5. But you could not comprehend what Paul is talking about. Many more in the old proph. wakeup.

w

Ro 11:5 So too, at the present time there is a remnant chosen by grace.
Ro 11:6 And if by grace, then it is no longer by works; if it were, grace would no longer be grace.

Ro 11:4 And what was God’s answer to him? “I have reserved for myself seven thousand who have not bowed the knee to Baal.”

how many are saved if out of the entire Israel their was only 7000 that had not bend their knee to Baal

and you say I don't understand scriptures think again

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Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 09 2014,19:43)

Quote (Wakeup @ Feb. 09 2014,11:09) T. I have given you romans 11:5. But you could not comprehend what Paul is talking about. Many more in the old proph. wakeup. w Ro 11:5 So too, at the present time there is a remnant chosen by grace. Ro 11:6 And if by grace, then it is no longer by works; if it were, grace would no longer be grace. Ro 11:4 And what was God’s answer to him? “I have reserved for myself seven thousand who have not bowed the knee to Baal.” how many are saved if out of the entire Israel their was only 7000 that had not bend their knee to Baal and you say I don't understand scriptures think again

T.

7000 were saved that never kissed nor bow down to baal.
That was in Elijah's time. But there are many before Elijah and after also saved by choice.
Of all generation Jews that have never known Christ
some will be saved by election,even today's jews; not in Christ.

The christian jews will be resurrected in the first resurrection
at the second coming,with the gentile christians,all together.
Those jews above; will be taught Christ in the housand year
kingdom. And their childrens children also.
They will be resurrected at the second judgement,
after they have been through Christ.

wakeup.

[terraricca]

144k Rev 14:4 These are those who did not defile themselves with women, for they kept themselves pure. They follow the Lamb wherever he goes. They were purchased from among men and offered as firstfruits to God and the Lamb.
Rev 14:5 No lie was found in their mouths; they are blameless.

the same than the 7000

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Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 10 2014,23:56)

144k Rev 14:4 These are those who did not defile themselves with women, for they kept themselves pure. They follow the Lamb wherever he goes. They were purchased from among men and offered as firstfruits to God and the Lamb. Rev 14:5 No lie was found in their mouths; they are blameless. the same than the 7000

T.

No; Not the same.

The 144k's are in Christ.
The 7000+ are not in Christ.

wakeup.

[terraricca]

Quote (Wakeup @ Feb. 10 2014,20:26)

Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 10 2014,23:56) 144k Rev 14:4 These are those who did not defile themselves with women, for they kept themselves pure. They follow the Lamb wherever he goes. They were purchased from among men and offered as firstfruits to God and the Lamb. Rev 14:5 No lie was found in their mouths; they are blameless. the same than the 7000 T. No; Not the same. The 144k's are in Christ. The 7000+ are not in Christ. wakeup.

w

i give up ,with you

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Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 11 2014,13:08)

Quote (Wakeup @ Feb. 10 2014,20:26) Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 10 2014,23:56) 144k Rev 14:4 These are those who did not defile themselves with women, for they kept themselves pure. They follow the Lamb wherever he goes. They were purchased from among men and offered as firstfruits to God and the Lamb. Rev 14:5 No lie was found in their mouths; they are blameless. the same than the 7000 T. No; Not the same. The 144k's are in Christ. The 7000+ are not in Christ. wakeup. w i give up ,with you

T.

Is it true or false?

wakeup.

[journey42]

terraricca,Feb. wrote:

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Pierre

The 144K are ALIVE during the last days.  These are sealed whilst they are alive IN THE LAST DAYS just before the trumpets start blowing.  They are in Christ because they follow the lamb wheresoever he goes.

Those before, the 7000 did not have Christ.  They are Jews from long ago, before Christ and they did not serve Baal

Romans 11:4   But what saith the answer of God unto him? I have reserved to myself seven thousand men, who have not bowed the knee to the image of Baal.
1 Kings 19:18   Yet I have left me seven thousand in Israel, all the knees which have not bowed unto Baal, and every mouth which hath not kissed him.

Therefore they are not christian, but are chosen according to grace.  They are only part of the number, but 7000 from back then.  There will be more Jews chosen from all generations.  Jews that did not serve Christ.

Romans 11:5   Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.

This is speaking of the Jews only.  Not the christians.  There will be many christians saved, and 144K elite, from the last generation before Christ returns.

Reserved for what?
To be raised into “flesh” and some brought whilst still alive into the kingdom during the millennium.  This will only happen after Christ destroys Babylon the Great, and not before.

So we have
1.  All the christians that followed from Christ's time till 2nd coming.
2.  The 144k which are christians specially chosen but SEALED. the elite.
3.  The Jews who did not know Christ, but chosen according to grace.  So not all of them, but selected ones.

All 3 groups will be in the kingdom during the millennium.  But one group will be flesh, and not changed to spirit.

[terraricca]

Quote (journey42 @ Feb. 11 2014,20:32)

terraricca,Feb. wrote: [/quote] Pierre The 144K are ALIVE during the last days.  These are sealed whilst they are alive IN THE LAST DAYS just before the trumpets start blowing.  They are in Christ because they follow the lamb wheresoever he goes. Those before, the 7000 did not have Christ.  They are Jews from long ago, before Christ and they did not serve Baal Romans 11:4   But what saith the answer of God unto him? I have reserved to myself seven thousand men, who have not bowed the knee to the image of Baal. 1 Kings 19:18   Yet I have left me seven thousand in Israel, all the knees which have not bowed unto Baal, and every mouth which hath not kissed him. Therefore they are not christian, but are chosen according to grace.  They are only part of the number, but 7000 from back then.  There will be more Jews chosen from all generations.  Jews that did not serve Christ. Romans 11:5   Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace. This is speaking of the Jews only.  Not the christians.  There will be many christians saved, and 144K elite, from the last generation before Christ returns. Reserved for what? To be raised into “flesh” and some brought whilst still alive into the kingdom during the millennium.  This will only happen after Christ destroys Babylon the Great, and not before. So we have 1.  All the christians that followed from Christ's time till 2nd coming. 2.  The 144k which are christians specially chosen but SEALED. the elite. 3.  The Jews who did not know Christ, but chosen according to grace.  So not all of them, but selected ones. All 3 groups will be in the kingdom during the millennium.  But one group will be flesh, and not changed to spirit.

j42

so bey bey Abraham,Moses,and the so many more

you really do not know scriptures

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Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 12 2014,03:54)

Quote (journey42 @ Feb. 11 2014,20:32) Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 11 2014,13:08) Pierre The 144K are ALIVE during the last days.  These are sealed whilst they are alive IN THE LAST DAYS just before the trumpets start blowing.  They are in Christ because they follow the lamb wheresoever he goes. Those before, the 7000 did not have Christ.  They are Jews from long ago, before Christ and they did not serve Baal Romans 11:4   But what saith the answer of God unto him? I have reserved to myself seven thousand men, who have not bowed the knee to the image of Baal. 1 Kings 19:18   Yet I have left me seven thousand in Israel, all the knees which have not bowed unto Baal, and every mouth which hath not kissed him. Therefore they are not christian, but are chosen according to grace.  They are only part of the number, but 7000 from back then.  There will be more Jews chosen from all generations.  Jews that did not serve Christ. Romans 11:5   Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace. This is speaking of the Jews only.  Not the christians.  There will be many christians saved, and 144K elite, from the last generation before Christ returns. Reserved for what? To be raised into “flesh” and some brought whilst still alive into the kingdom during the millennium.  This will only happen after Christ destroys Babylon the Great, and not before. So we have 1.  All the christians that followed from Christ's time till 2nd coming. 2.  The 144k which are christians specially chosen but SEALED. the elite. 3.  The Jews who did not know Christ, but chosen according to grace.  So not all of them, but selected ones. All 3 groups will be in the kingdom during the millennium.  But one group will be flesh, and not changed to spirit. j42 so bey bey Abraham,Moses,and the so many more you really do not know scriptures

T.

Abraham saw Christ(Melchisedek).
Moses; Ilijah saw Christ.(tranfiguration).

wakeup.

[Proclaimer]

What is the tribulation or tribulations? They are times of trial for believers, a time of persecution where we are threatened with death, violence, prison, etc. Tribulations are not to be confused with God's wrath. We are guaranteed tribulation, but spared from God's wrath.

Tribulations are the wrath of the world against God's people. God's wrath is against the wicked and usually comes after tribulations, as a judgement against the way the wicked have treated God's people.

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Quote (t8 @ Feb. 12 2014,06:12)

What is the tribulation or tribulations? They are times of trial for believers, a time of persecution where we are threatened with death, violence, prison, etc. Tribulations are not to be confused with God's wrath. We are guaranteed tribulation, but spared from God's wrath. Tribulations are the wrath of the world against God's people. God's wrath is against the wicked and usually comes after tribulations, as a judgement against the way the wicked have treated God's people.

t8

exactly you got it right ;it seems wakeup never came up with that ,

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Quote (t8 @ Feb. 12 2014,11:12)

What is the tribulation or tribulations? They are times of trial for believers, a time of persecution where we are threatened with death, violence, prison, etc. Tribulations are not to be confused with God's wrath. We are guaranteed tribulation, but spared from God's wrath. Tribulations are the wrath of the world against God's people. God's wrath is against the wicked and usually comes after tribulations, as a judgement against the way the wicked have treated God's people.

T8.

That is true.

The false prophet will give us christians; a hard time just to survive.

God's wrath will be against his enemies.

wakeup.

[terraricca]

we gain our life's by working deeds that are in line with God 's principals and Christ teachings,that is what Christ as teach,even the OT teaches that all over , the grace is a gift but not for lazy people who do not produce any deeds ,

people that looking for a free ride are not welcome in God's kingdom ,

just look at Cornelius as a example

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Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 12 2014,13:12)

we gain our life's  by working deeds that are in line with God 's principals and Christ teachings,that is what Christ as teach,even the OT teaches that all over , the grace is a gift but not for lazy people who do not produce any deeds , people that looking for a free ride are not welcome in God's kingdom , just look at Cornelius as a example

T.

Yes I know,you have been busy feeding on strange flesh.
And you shall be rewarded,accordingly.

wakeup.

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