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Quote (t8 @ Jan. 17 2014,09:41) Yes we do go through tribulations and history testifies to that. But we are spared the judgements that God pours out on the wicked as testified by John. Matthew 24:29-31
“Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. 30 Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31 And He will send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they will gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
T8.Quote Yes we do go through tribulations and history testifies to that. But we are spared the judgements that God pours out on the wicked as testified by John. .
I agree.
The tribulations and the great tribulation are caused by men.
God's judgement is His wrath on Babylon the great.
And the cities of the nations are no more.
Babylon came into God's remembrance.rev.19.wakeup.
Quote (t8 @ Jan. 17 2014,04:41) Yes we do go through tribulations and history testifies to that. But we are spared the judgements that God pours out on the wicked as testified by John. Matthew 24:29-31
“Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. 30 Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31 And He will send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they will gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
t8yes you right but look at the history after 70 ad ,the persecution was not over ,we still add to wait until the victory of Constantine to see a calm to the Christian faith even though it was by then a inside destructive fight and so the truth was stopped or to a few only ,the night ad fallen
Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 17 2014,12:11) Quote (t8 @ Jan. 17 2014,04:41) Yes we do go through tribulations and history testifies to that. But we are spared the judgements that God pours out on the wicked as testified by John. Matthew 24:29-31
“Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. 30 Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31 And He will send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they will gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
t8yes you right but look at the history after 70 ad ,the persecution was not over ,we still add to wait until the victory of Constantine to see a calm to the Christian faith even though it was by then a inside destructive fight and so the truth was stopped or to a few only ,the night ad fallen
T.Israel was not a sovereign nation since the attac of babylon.
The were scattered in the four winds.
But today,israel is a sovereign nation once more.
Great tribulation will come to israel, and then the world.
Before the great war,christians will be persecuted for the Word of God. Christians will be seen as terrorists,because they will not obey the false prophet. They are seen by the world as rebels.wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 17 2014,07:26) Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 17 2014,12:11) Quote (t8 @ Jan. 17 2014,04:41) Yes we do go through tribulations and history testifies to that. But we are spared the judgements that God pours out on the wicked as testified by John. Matthew 24:29-31
“Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. 30 Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31 And He will send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they will gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
t8yes you right but look at the history after 70 ad ,the persecution was not over ,we still add to wait until the victory of Constantine to see a calm to the Christian faith even though it was by then a inside destructive fight and so the truth was stopped or to a few only ,the night ad fallen
T.Israel was not a sovereign nation since the attac of babylon.
The were scattered in the four winds.
But today,israel is a sovereign nation once more.
Great tribulation will come to israel, and then the world.
Before the great war,christians will be persecuted for the Word of God. Christians will be seen as terrorists,because they will not obey the false prophet. They are seen by the world as rebels.wakeup.
wread
Matthew 24:29-31
“Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. 30 Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31 And He will send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they will gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 17 2014,12:35) Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 17 2014,07:26) Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 17 2014,12:11) Quote (t8 @ Jan. 17 2014,04:41) Yes we do go through tribulations and history testifies to that. But we are spared the judgements that God pours out on the wicked as testified by John. Matthew 24:29-31
“will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. 30 Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31 And He will send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they will gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
t8yes you right but look at the history after 70 ad ,the persecution was not over ,we still add to wait until the victory of Constantine to see a calm to the Christian faith even though it was by then a inside destructive fight and so the truth was stopped or to a few only ,the night ad fallen
T.Israel was not a sovereign nation since the attac of babylon.
The were scattered in the four winds.
But today,israel is a sovereign nation once more.
Great tribulation will come to israel, and then the world.
Before the great war,christians will be persecuted for the Word of God. Christians will be seen as terrorists,because they will not obey the false prophet. They are seen by the world as rebels.wakeup.
wread
Matthew 24:29-31
“Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. 30 Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31 And He will send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they will gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
T.You can not see that your believe is in contradiction to those scriptures.
You believe that the tribulation is mans livetime experience.Immediately after the tribulation of those days
***the sun will be darkened***,
***and the moon will not give its light***;
***the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of
the heavens will be shaken***
That can not happen during every ones lifetime.Can you see that?
wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 17 2014,08:04) Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 17 2014,12:35) Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 17 2014,07:26) Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 17 2014,12:11) Quote (t8 @ Jan. 17 2014,04:41) Yes we do go through tribulations and history testifies to that. But we are spared the judgements that God pours out on the wicked as testified by John. Matthew 24:29-31
“will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. 30 Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31 And He will send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they will gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
t8yes you right but look at the history after 70 ad ,the persecution was not over ,we still add to wait until the victory of Constantine to see a calm to the Christian faith even though it was by then a inside destructive fight and so the truth was stopped or to a few only ,the night ad fallen
T.Israel was not a sovereign nation since the attac of babylon.
The were scattered in the four winds.
But today,israel is a sovereign nation once more.
Great tribulation will come to israel, and then the world.
Before the great war,christians will be persecuted for the Word of God. Christians will be seen as terrorists,because they will not obey the false prophet. They are seen by the world as rebels.wakeup.
wread
Matthew 24:29-31
“Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. 30 Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31 And He will send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they will gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
T.You can not see that your believe is in contradiction to those scriptures.
You believe that the tribulation is mans livetime experience.Immediately after the tribulation of those days
***the sun will be darkened***,
***and the moon will not give its light***;
***the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of
the heavens will be shaken***
That can not happen during every ones lifetime.Can you see that?
wakeup.
wthe same applies to a nation ,
Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 17 2014,13:06) Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 17 2014,08:04) Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 17 2014,12:35) Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 17 2014,07:26) Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 17 2014,12:11) Quote (t8 @ Jan. 17 2014,04:41) Yes we do go through tribulations and history testifies to that. But we are spared the judgements that God pours out on the wicked as testified by John. Matthew 24:29-31
“will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. 30 Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31 And He will send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they will gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
t8yes you right but look at the history after 70 ad ,the persecution was not over ,we still add to wait until the victory of Constantine to see a calm to the Christian faith even though it was by then a inside destructive fight and so the truth was stopped or to a few only ,the night ad fallen
T.Israel was not a sovereign nation since the attac of babylon.
The were scattered in the four winds.
But today,israel is a sovereign nation once more.
Great tribulation will come to israel, and then the world.
Before the great war,christians will be persecuted for the Word of God. Christians will be seen as terrorists,because they will not obey the false prophet. They are seen by the world as rebels.wakeup.
wread
Matthew 24:29-31
“Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. 30 Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31 And He will send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they will gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
T.You can not see that your believe is in contradiction to those scriptures.
You believe that the tribulation is mans livetime experience.Immediately after the tribulation of those days
***the sun will be darkened***,
***and the moon will not give its light***;
***the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of
the heavens will be shaken***
That can not happen during every ones lifetime.Can you see that?
wakeup.
wthe same applies to a nation ,
T.Nation or nations?
Are those things happening to this nation today?wakeup.
all nations ,look what happen to the nations that God destroyed at the time of Israel entering the promised land and the reason for God to do it
Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 17 2014,15:21) all nations ,look what happen to the nations that God destroyed at the time of Israel entering the promised land and the reason for God to do it
T.Read.
Matthew 24:21 ***For then shall be great tribulation***, ***such as was not since the beginning of the world to this
time, no, nor ever shall be***.The last tribulation.
wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 17 2014,10:52) Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 17 2014,15:21) all nations ,look what happen to the nations that God destroyed at the time of Israel entering the promised land and the reason for God to do it
T.Read.
Matthew 24:21 ***For then shall be great tribulation***, ***such as was not since the beginning of the world to this
time, no, nor ever shall be***.The last tribulation.
wakeup.
WIt's plural many tribulation or times of distress
Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 17 2014,19:13) Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 17 2014,10:52) Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 17 2014,15:21) all nations ,look what happen to the nations that God destroyed at the time of Israel entering the promised land and the reason for God to do it
T.Read.
Matthew 24:21 ***For then shall be great tribulation***, ***such as was not since the beginning of the world to this
time, no, nor ever shall be***.The last tribulation.
wakeup.
WIt's plural many tribulation or times of distress
T.Matthew 24:21 ***For then shall be great tribulation***.
Where does it say great tribulations?
Are you being stubborn, hard headed,
or playing dum.wakeup.
Wakeup, you don't have to quote in every post. Many give up following conversations that are 70% quotes. They do not flow to well. Most of the time, you can just make a normal post. I am thinking of disabling quoting to get a better flow happening. But would not need to do that if you and others stopped this practice in every single post.
Thanks for listening.
w
Quote Where does it say great tribulations?
Are you being stubborn, hard headed,
or playing dum.wakeup.
it should say “a” tribulation and not BE tribulation
Quote (t8 @ Jan. 17 2014,22:03) Wakeup, you don't have to quote in every post. Many give up following conversations that are 70% quotes. They do not flow to well. Most of the time, you can just make a normal post. I am thinking of disabling quoting to get a better flow happening. But would not need to do that if you and others stopped this practice in every single post. Thanks for listening.
T8.This is true,there is too much wasted space.
And it does not make it easier.
Anything to improve the flow.Will do,thanks.
wakeup.
All
Tribulation means times of distress what times of difficulties for those concern for the reason that Christ has given ,they all came true ,just see history
Do not mix tribulation /distress. With the wrath of God two different things
All
Tribulation are not punishment acts but the wrath of God is the punishment
The wrath is not a corrective measure of God it is to destroy permanently
Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 19 2014,12:32) T. *NO* flesh shall be saved.
You call that just distress?wakeup.
WI showed you before that that is false because the verse say so but you hide it
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