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- June 19, 2005 at 6:13 am#19289berean2005Participant
QUESTION:
What would happen to all who have died believing in Jesus Christ 'if' there is NO Resurrection Day coming?
If the dead are never raised — if the Resurrection Day never comes — what would happen to all those who have believed in Jesus christ?
In Jesus,
Berean2005
June 19, 2005 at 7:28 am#19290NickHassanParticipantHi B, Well anyone who misses out on the first resurrection into the milleniaial kingdom will be raised at the second resurrection to face the white throne /sheep and goat judgement. Hopefully they will find mercy according to the conditions supplied by God.
Are you surprised that many will die believing in Jesus but not saved? Of course there will be many pleading that they know him but will hear that he does not know them. Unless you mean believing the way the bible does- belief plus action. You see you must be born again of water and the Spirit as Jesus said. That is the definition of serious believers in the bible-obedient ones.
Knowing about God does not help the demons as James says. Likewise knowing about Jesus without obeying him is wasting his time too. But it is a not a hard command to obey in terms of what is means -eternal life in the Son of God surely?
June 19, 2005 at 6:30 pm#19291berean2005ParticipantHi Nick,
I think you mis-understood the question I was asking.
June 19, 2005 at 7:32 pm#19292NickHassanParticipantHi,B,
Perhaps.
But there will be two resurrections as scripture says so, in which case what is the relevance of the question?June 19, 2005 at 10:07 pm#19293berean2005ParticipantI don't think what the Apostle Paul talked about was 'irrelevant'.
Paul went into this 'what if' scenario in detail, so I think it is very relevant.
So I ask:
If the dead are never raised — if the Resurrection Day never comes — what would happen to all those who have believed in Jesus christ?
June 19, 2005 at 10:10 pm#19294NickHassanParticipantHi B,
Do you want us to say our faith is in vain?June 19, 2005 at 10:23 pm#19295berean2005ParticipantIt's okay Nick. You don't have to answer if you do not wish to.
March 31, 2006 at 9:57 pm#19296NickHassanParticipantHere is another resurrection forum.
March 31, 2006 at 10:26 pm#19297malcolm ferrisParticipantWhat if?
Then we are of all men most miserable if in this life only we have hope in Christ.
If the dead don't rise then you might as well become a Buddhist as far as I'm concernedMay 18, 2006 at 1:45 am#19298NickHassanParticipantHi,
I have been surprised that not all agree on what resurrection means.David has given the JW position as of being raised as a spiritual body that has the ability to be conformed in many different ways according to need.
I would have thought that it means what the common man in the street would think if he saw a friend walking down the road whose funeral he had just attended. In other words men rise exactly as they died, as with Lazarus and Tabitha.
Having said that it is specified that those in the first or better resurrection rise in a new imperishable body or, if they are alive are transformed in the twinkling of an eye with the new put over the old.
What about the second?
May 18, 2006 at 2:30 am#19299malcolm ferrisParticipantWell given that we are made up of body, soul and spirit.
And that there is reference to the resurrection of the flesh, the salvation of the soul, the renewing of the spirit.
Wouldn't the resurrection be one part of the whole work, which involves the restoration of our entire being?May 18, 2006 at 3:25 am#19300NickHassanParticipantYes Malcolm,
The tent is the last. Like a butterfly we emerge transformed inside and with a new body.
What of those in the second Resurrection?
Do they rise in the old body?
A presume they do reassembled as in Ezekiel 37?July 13, 2006 at 2:15 am#22135CubesParticipantQuote (berean2005 @ June 20 2005,04:07) I don't think what the Apostle Paul talked about was 'irrelevant'. Paul went into this 'what if' scenario in detail, so I think it is very relevant.
So I ask:
If the dead are never raised — if the Resurrection Day never comes — what would happen to all those who have believed in Jesus christ?
Hi Berean2005:If you ever read this. If the dead in Christ do not rise again then our faith is in vain and we should be the most pitiable of all people as scripture says. BUT we count him who promised as faithful and able so have no such doubts or concerns, thanks be to God.
Hope you remain established in Christ.
September 5, 2006 at 2:46 am#27371NickHassanParticipantAnother resurrection thread.
November 9, 2006 at 6:49 am#31984DebraParticipantHi
Before I believed, this was a question I had too.
I didn't want to except Jesus as my Saviour, and have my life changed by Him, because I was afraid that If the ressurection wasn't true and I'd lived the rest of my life being obediant to God's Word that it would have been for nothing, I was in bondage to that thought for many years.
I knew I wasn't alone in that doubt, I've spoken to other Christians who had the same doubt.
When I was a baby Christian, for about 12mths it was still trying to get ahold on me, but I just kept asking Jesus to help me through and He did.
I have been asked a few times while talking to people in the New Age arena that same question. “What if”? I say to them, my life in Jesus wouldn't have been a waste because I've had a blessed life and I do believe Gods's Word to be TRUE, you have to trust, and have faith, and if you find it hard to do either, you have to ask Jesus to help you,call on no other Name.
I don't think this question can be answered for somebody who dosn't have the Holy Spirit for me it was a light went on one day
and a peace came upon me replacing the doubt.
Praise be to God.November 9, 2006 at 10:44 pm#32022NickHassanParticipantHi debra,
Those in Christ and enlivened by the Spirit of Christ will be raised in the first resurrection by the Spirit.
Rom 8
” 9But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.10And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.
11But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you. “
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