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Terra.
Is it not only possible that you did not understand?
Compare scripture with scripture, then come up with your version.
Not to accuse without any evidence.
Don’t come up empty handed.wakeup.
now i have given you scriptures but you still say i did not do so ;
now one more question ;those that came alive where all saints ,when did they die ? we do not know of any that died during the ministry of Christ ,of course i can mention a few that lived when Jesus was born ,but even if they went to the city no one would recognize them ,is this a fair statement ?
Terra.
We want scriptural proof, for all to see that you are right and I am wrong.
I am still waiting. Not just quoting scriptures with no explanations.wakeup.
Terra.
I can only say what the scripture says.
It only mentioned saints.
If they were of old yes no one will recognise them.
They will die again maybe of old age,dont know.
But it wont be the second death, because the first death was repaired.
They lived again.wakeup.
Terra.
As I have said; they were not resurrected; but revived.
That can happen in hospitals today, but not to them that have died for many years.
Yes they will die again, as everybody dies.
But that wont be the second death, because the first death was repaired.
Their second death will happen in paradise; the kingdom of the saints.wakeup.
wakeup
Terra.
We want scriptural proof, for all to see that you are right and I am wrong.
I am still waiting. Not just quoting scriptures with no explanations.wakeup.
Terra.I can only say what the scripture says.
It only mentioned saints.
If they were of old yes no one will recognise them.
They will die again maybe of old age,dont know.
But it wont be the second death, because the first death was repaired.
They lived again.wakeup.
Terra.As I have said; they were not resurrected; but revived.
That can happen in hospitals today, but not to them that have died for many years.
Yes they will die again, as everybody dies.
But that wont be the second death, because the first death was repaired.
Their second death will happen in paradise; the kingdom of the saints.wakeup.
why do you not read the scriptures ? so you can see that your reasoning does not make sense at all ;you want scriptures and you do not even read the ones i give you ; Mt 27:50 And when Jesus had cried out again in a loud voice, he gave up his spirit.
Mt 27:51 At that moment the curtain of the temple was torn in two from top to bottom. The earth shook and the rocks split.
Mt 27:52 The tombs broke open and the bodies of many holy people who had died were raised to life.those saints where not on a bed but buried 6 feet down and it was the earthquake that open their grave ,so it is a resurrection for they could have been dead for a few years or so ; to me dying get put in the earth close the hole put a stone all done ;you come back to live that is what we call a resurrection ;what else you think John said on this ?
wakeup
Eze 37:3 He asked me, “Son of man, can these bones live?”
I said, “O Sovereign LORD, you alone know.”
Eze 37:4 Then he said to me, “Prophesy to these bones and say to them, ‘Dry bones, hear the word of the LORD?
Eze 37:5 This is what the Sovereign LORD says to these bones: I will make breath enter you, and you will come to life.
Eze 37:6 I will attach tendons to you and make flesh come upon you and cover you with skin; I will put breath in you, and you will come to life. Then you will know that I am the LORD.’ ”
Eze 37:7 So I prophesied as I was commanded. And as I was prophesying, there was a noise, a rattling sound, and the bones came together, bone to bone.
Eze 37:8 I looked, and tendons and flesh appeared on them and skin covered them, but there was no breath in them.
Eze 37:9 Then he said to me, “Prophesy to the breath; prophesy, son of man, and say to it, ‘This is what the Sovereign LORD says: Come from the four winds, O breath, and breathe into these slain, that they may live.’ ”
Eze 37:10 So I prophesied as he commanded me, and breath entered them; they came to life and stood up on their feet—a vast army.
Eze 37:11 Then he said to me: “Son of man, these bones are the whole house of Israel. They say, ‘Our bones are dried up and our hope is gone; we are cut off.’
Eze 37:12 Therefore prophesy and say to them: ‘This is what the Sovereign LORD says: O my people, I am going to open your graves and bring you up from them; I will bring you back to the land of Israel.
Eze 37:13 Then you, my people, will know that I am the LORD, when I open your graves and bring you up from them.
Eze 37:14 I will put my Spirit in you and you will live, and I will settle you in your own land. Then you will know that I the LORD have spoken, and I have done it, declares the LORD.this Matt;27;51-52 could be the realization of Ezekiel prophecy
Wakeup,
Jesus soul was never in hell, because He said:
Luke 23:46 And when Jesus had cried with a loud voice, he said, Father, into thy hands I commend my spirit, and having said thus, he gave up the ghost.
The flesh went in the tomb.Peter is the one that stated that verse applied to Jesus, I just followed his lead.
Acts 2:27-31Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)
27 because thou wilt not leave my soul in hell, neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption. 28 Thou hast made known to me the ways of life; thou shalt make me full of joy with thy countenance.
29 Men and brethren, let me freely speak unto you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his sepulchre is with us unto this day. 30 Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne; 31 he seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption.
The AV of the KJV speaks of at least two hells as one destroys both the body and soul that enters it. The one that destroys is the one that will come to exist on Judgement Day.
Kerwin
Jesus soul was never in hell, because He said:
this is a very good point you bring up,it is a delight ,
good thinking ,thanks
Wakeup,
You are correct that the world to come is the new earth. You may be correct as I assumed because their was no destruction in God’s holy mountain and the world is to be full of the knowledge of the Lord that it was the new earth.
2. Did the thief go to paradise the day he died?
3.Did he not go to paradise the day he died?
4.Was the thief resurrected before Christ?
The thief went to the paradise of the place of the dead who await resurrection. There are some that claim the land of the dead is in the third heaven. Paul speaks of a man that was taken up into that heaven and saw Paradise. It is also possible that it is the garden of Eden that God mentions in Revelations.
The most I can say with confidence is that the thief went to the paradise side of hell.
He may have been resurrected about the same time as Jesus was since there was a group of saints that was.
Matthew 27:51-53Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)
51 And, behold, the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom; and the earth did quake, and the rocks rent; 52 and the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose, 53 and came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many.
wakeup
Terra.
Good scriptures.
Now I am waiting for your explanation to what it all mean.wakeup.
1Jn 2:26 I am writing these things to you about those who are trying to lead you astray.
1Jn 2:27 As for you, the anointing you received from him remains in you, and you do not need anyone to teach you. But as his anointing teaches you about all things and as that anointing is real, not counterfeit—just as it has taught you, remain in him.1Jn 2:4 The man who says, “I know him,” but does not do what he commands is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
1Jn 2:5 But if anyone obeys his word, God’s love is truly made complete in him. This is how we know we are in him:
1Jn 2:6 Whoever claims to live in him must walk as Jesus did.Kerwin
Wakeup,
You are correct that the world to come is the new earth. You may be correct as I assumed because their was no destruction in God’s holy mountain and the world is to be full of the knowledge of the Lord that it was the new earth.
don’t be surprise if you don’t get what you are expecting ;for God’s plan is not for him to do the things that men should do with his help
T,
How can I be expecting anything when I admit I am not sure about it?
I quoted:
Isaiah 11:9Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)
9 They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain:
for the earth shall be full of the knowledge of the Lord,
as the waters cover the sea.and expressed the idea it is speaking about the new heaven. Wakeup disagreed though he did not give me a passage to support his disagreement. I admitted he might be correct.
k
T,
How can I be expecting anything when I admit I am not sure about it?
I quoted:
i came to the understanding that the exodus of the Jews out of Egypt is the reflection of us to come out of the world , and the traveling to the promised land is our tribulation by the faith of that promise (everlasting life in the new earth and new heaven)
and our time in the last days are compared to the 40 years of the Israelites in the desert and then ad to start the final battle (second resurrection and the final destruction of God’s opposing men and angels )to enter the promised land ; but understand that the promised land would only be a beginning even though it would be a new beginning ,but all as to be made according to God’s will ,and developed in love ,the new law
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