We are in the new earth

[Ed J]

Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ June 16 2010,09:23)

ED J said: Quote Rev.1:5: And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, (FIRST in rank after YHVH) ED J, I noticed how your definition of “Israel” morphed in such a short time. Originally you said that it meant “prince WITH God.” Then I showed you that the word “archon” means “FIRST in rank” and your definition of “Israel” mystically and magically changes to “first in rank AFTER God.” NO! You originally said that it means “Prince WITH God.” I am holding you to this. The fact that “archon” means “FIRST in rank” does not mean that “WITH God” automatically comes to mean “AFTER God.” Waving your magic wand does not make it so. Kangaroo Jack

Hi Kang,

You mean you need to hold yourself to it! So where is the inconsistency?

                             Jesus is Prince
YHVH is “King” (Psalm 10:16 / Psalm 29:10) and Jesus is his Son, thus “Prince”!

                And Jesus is first in rank after God
1Tm.2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;
1Cor.11:3 But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ;
and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God.

Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[KangarooJack]

Quote (Ed J @ June 16 2010,10:05)

Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ June 16 2010,09:23) ED J said: Quote Rev.1:5: And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, (FIRST in rank after YHVH) ED J, I noticed how your definition of “Israel” morphed in such a short time. Originally you said that it meant “prince WITH God.” Then I showed you that the word “archon” means “FIRST in rank” and your definition of “Israel” mystically and magically changes to “first in rank AFTER God.” NO! You originally said that it means “Prince WITH God.” I am holding you to this. The fact that “archon” means “FIRST in rank” does not mean that “WITH God” automatically comes to mean “AFTER God.” Waving your magic wand does not make it so. Kangaroo Jack Hi Kang, You mean you need to hold yourself to it! So where is the inconsistency?                              Jesus is Prince YHVH is “King” (Psalm 10:16 / Psalm 29:10) and Jesus is his Son, thus “Prince”!                 And Jesus is first in rank after God 1Tm.2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; 1Cor.11:3 But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God. Ed J http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

You said that the word “Israel” means “Prince WITH God.” But now it magically comes to mean “AFTER God” when it is pointed out to you that “archon” means “FIRST in rank”. This is a contradiction within itself isn't it? One who is “first” but  AFTER someone is not “first” at all is he?

Rid yourself of your oxymorons.

KJ

[Ed J]

Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ June 16 2010,10:23)

Quote (Ed J @ June 16 2010,10:05) Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ June 16 2010,09:23) ED J said: Quote Rev.1:5: And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, (FIRST in rank after YHVH) ED J, I noticed how your definition of “Israel” morphed in such a short time. Originally you said that it meant “prince WITH God.” Then I showed you that the word “archon” means “FIRST in rank” and your definition of “Israel” mystically and magically changes to “first in rank AFTER God.” NO! You originally said that it means “Prince WITH God.” I am holding you to this. The fact that “archon” means “FIRST in rank” does not mean that “WITH God” automatically comes to mean “AFTER God.” Waving your magic wand does not make it so. Kangaroo Jack Hi Kang, You mean you need to hold yourself to it! So where is the inconsistency?                              Jesus is Prince YHVH is “King” (Psalm 10:16 / Psalm 29:10) and Jesus is his Son, thus “Prince”!                 And Jesus is first in rank after God 1Tm.2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; 1Cor.11:3 But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God. Ed J http://www.holycitybiblecode.org You said that the word “Israel” means “Prince WITH God.” But now it magically comes to mean “AFTER God” when it is pointed out to you that “archon” means “FIRST in rank”. This is a contradiction within itself isn't it? One who is “first” but  AFTER someone is not “first” at all is he? Rid yourself of your oxymorons. KJ

Hi Kang,

Loose the tude(Matt.7:1). And you still haven't told me your age?
Apparently you haven't done your homework thoroughly enough!  

Strong's Greek # 758
ἄρχων archón: chief (ruler), magistrate, prince, ruler.
Once again the AKJV has Rev.1:5 translated correctly!

Strong's Hebrew # 3478 and 8280
יִשְׂרָאֵל yis-raw-ale': From sarah (8280) and 'el (410); he will rule as God; From Jisrael,
a symbolical name of Jacob; also (typically) of his posterity: –Israel.
שָׂרָה saw-raw': have power as a prince
A primitive root; to prevail — have power (as a prince).
I told you before I want to agree with you, even after I did you yelled at me; why?

Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[Ed J]

Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ June 16 2010,10:23)

Quote (Ed J @ June 16 2010,10:05) Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ June 16 2010,09:23) ED J said: Quote Rev.1:5: And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, (FIRST in rank after YHVH) ED J, I noticed how your definition of “Israel” morphed in such a short time. Originally you said that it meant “prince WITH God.” Then I showed you that the word “archon” means “FIRST in rank” and your definition of “Israel” mystically and magically changes to “first in rank AFTER God.” NO! You originally said that it means “Prince WITH God.” I am holding you to this. The fact that “archon” means “FIRST in rank” does not mean that “WITH God” automatically comes to mean “AFTER God.” Waving your magic wand does not make it so. Kangaroo Jack Hi Kang, You mean you need to hold yourself to it! So where is the inconsistency?                              Jesus is Prince YHVH is “King” (Psalm 10:16 / Psalm 29:10) and Jesus is his Son, thus “Prince”!                 And Jesus is first in rank after God 1Tm.2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; 1Cor.11:3 But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God. Ed J http://www.holycitybiblecode.org You said that the word “Israel” means “Prince WITH God.” But now it magically comes to mean “AFTER God” when it is pointed out to you that “archon” means “FIRST in rank”. This is a contradiction within itself isn't it? One who is “first” but  AFTER someone is not “first” at all is he? Rid yourself of your oxymorons. KJ

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Hi Kang,

Lose the tude(Matt.7:1). And you still haven't told me your age?
Apparently you haven't done your homework thoroughly enough!  

Strong's Greek # 758
ἄρχων archón: chief (ruler), magistrate, prince, ruler.
Once again the AKJV has Rev.1:5 translated correctly!

Strong's Hebrew # 3478 and 8280
יִשְׂרָאֵל yis-raw-ale': From sarah (8280) and 'el (410); he will rule as God; From Jisrael,
a symbolical name of Jacob; also (typically) of his posterity: –Israel.
שָׂרָה saw-raw': have power as a prince
A primitive root; to prevail — have power (as a prince).
I told you before I want to agree with you, even after I did you yelled at me; why?

Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[KangarooJack]

ED J said:

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Apparently you haven't done your homework thoroughly enough!   Strong's Greek # 758 ἄρχων archón: chief (ruler), magistrate, prince, ruler. Once again the AKJV has Rev.1:5 translated correctly!

ED J,

Strong indicates that “archon” is from # 757 which means “to be first in rank.” Then he defines “archon” itself as “first in rank or power.” Then he gives the secondary meanings you have indicated.

So it is you who has not done your homework. The first definition is the primary definition.

And you misuse the word “prince.”  While on the throne King James was referred to as “the Mighty King James” or “the Mighty Prince James. So a prince was not a lesser co-regent. The new testament says that Jesus was both Israel's King and Prince. Jesus rode into Jerusalem as Israel's King. This proves that you misuse the word “prince.” The word “prince” in the KJV is archaic. The Greek “archon” should be translated “ruler” or “chief ruler.”

You and I are done for good! You do not know how to engage in honest discourse.

the Roo

[NickHassan]

Hi KJ,
Messiah the prince is spoken of among the princes in Daniel.
He is the appointed as 'David'king of Israel, even king of kings.
His God has given him authority and he later gives it back[1Co15]

[KangarooJack]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 17 2010,06:16)

Hi KJ, Messiah the prince is spoken of among the princes in Daniel. He is the appointed as 'David'king of Israel, even king of kings. His God has given him authority and he later gives it back[1Co15]

The scriptures are replete with statements that indicate that Christ's kingdom is forever and ever.

Back to the drawing board Nick.

KJ

[NickHassan]

Hi KJ,
Did you think the kingdom ended?
No the kingdom of God is forever and ever.
King Jesus just hands back that kingdom to God.

[KangarooJack]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 17 2010,07:33)

Hi KJ, Did you think the kingdom ended? No the kingdom of God is forever and ever. King Jesus just hands back that kingdom to God.

The kingdom of Christ is forever and ever

Luke 1:33:

“And He will reign over the house of Jacob forever, and of His kingdom there will be no end.”

KJ

[NickHassan]

Hi KJ,,
Yes he will never lose his authority but it will under his God.

[Ed J]

Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ June 17 2010,05:36)

ED J said: Quote Apparently you haven't done your homework thoroughly enough!   Strong's Greek # 758 ἄρχων archón: chief (ruler), magistrate, prince, ruler. Once again the AKJV has Rev.1:5 translated correctly! ED J, Strong indicates that “archon” is from # 757 which means “to be first in rank.” Then he defines “archon” itself as “first in rank or power.” Then he gives the secondary meanings you have indicated. So it is you who has not done your homework. The first definition is the primary definition. And you misuse the word “prince.”  While on the throne King James was referred to as “the Mighty King James” or “the Mighty Prince James. So a prince was not a lesser co-regent. The new testament says that Jesus was both Israel's King and Prince. Jesus rode into Jerusalem as Israel's King. This proves that you misuse the word “prince.” The word “prince” in the KJV is archaic. The Greek “archon” should be translated “ruler” or “chief ruler.” You and I are done for good! You do not know how to engage in honest discourse. the Roo

Hi Kang,

Rev.1:5 is from # 758 not 757?

Ed J

[Ed J]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 17 2010,06:16)

Hi KJ, Messiah the prince is spoken of among the princes in Daniel. He is the appointed as 'David'king of Israel, even king of kings. His God has given him authority and he later gives it back[1Co15]

Hi Nick,

Seems Kang has a real problem with Biblical proof he disagrees with.
He brings up age, so I ask him how old he is and he ignores the question?

God bless Nick!
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[karmarie]

Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ June 16 2010,11:38)

Karmarie, For your benefit I have revived a thread I started months ago called “Isaiah's new earth.” Please review it. KJ

Oh sorry KJ, I never saw this, lol. I will.

[karmarie]

Quote (Ed J @ June 16 2010,02:13)

Quote (karmarie @ June 15 2010,10:52) Hi Ed, I dont get your answer, sorry, so who do you believe is Isreal, you know, when Paul says “all Isreal will be saved” HI Karmarie, Isaiah 45:17 But Israel shall be saved in the LORD with an everlasting salvation: ye shall not be ashamed nor confounded world without end. Eph.3:21 Unto him be glory in the church by Christ Jesus throughout all ages, world without end. Amen. 1Cor.12:27 Now ye are the body of Christ, and members in particular. God bless Ed J http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

Hi Ed,

That still doesnt answer the question.

Is Isreal in you opinion,

A) The country nation today on the earth (in the middle east)

B) A race of people/Hebrews 12 tribes

C) Christians today (So Isreal after Jesus became followers in the Son)

AB or C?

[terraricca]

Quote (karmarie @ June 17 2010,11:10)

Quote (Ed J @ June 16 2010,02:13) Quote (karmarie @ June 15 2010,10:52) Hi Ed, I dont get your answer, sorry, so who do you believe is Isreal, you know, when Paul says “all Isreal will be saved” HI Karmarie, Isaiah 45:17 But Israel shall be saved in the LORD with an everlasting salvation: ye shall not be ashamed nor confounded world without end. Eph.3:21 Unto him be glory in the church by Christ Jesus throughout all ages, world without end. Amen. 1Cor.12:27 Now ye are the body of Christ, and members in particular. God bless Ed J http://www.holycitybiblecode.org Hi Ed, That still doesnt answer the question. Is Isreal in you opinion, A) The country nation today on the earth (in the middle east) B) A race of people/Hebrews 12 tribes C) Christians today (So Isreal after Jesus became followers in the Son) AB or C?

K

question number one;A)NO
B) if they say so
C)no difference any men in any nation who accept Christ and as faith in him will be blessed by receiving everlasting live in his own order.

Pierre

[karmarie]

Hi T,

According to Paul, Isreal became all who followed Christ, Jew or Gentile.

I think Ed thinks its a nation? I dont know.

[KangarooJack]

Quote (Ed J @ June 17 2010,09:51)

Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ June 17 2010,05:36) ED J said: Quote Apparently you haven't done your homework thoroughly enough!   Strong's Greek # 758 ἄρχων archón: chief (ruler), magistrate, prince, ruler. Once again the AKJV has Rev.1:5 translated correctly! ED J, Strong indicates that “archon” is from # 757 which means “to be first in rank.” Then he defines “archon” itself as “first in rank or power.” Then he gives the secondary meanings you have indicated. So it is you who has not done your homework. The first definition is the primary definition. And you misuse the word “prince.”  While on the throne King James was referred to as “the Mighty King James” or “the Mighty Prince James. So a prince was not a lesser co-regent. The new testament says that Jesus was both Israel's King and Prince. Jesus rode into Jerusalem as Israel's King. This proves that you misuse the word “prince.” The word “prince” in the KJV is archaic. The Greek “archon” should be translated “ruler” or “chief ruler.” You and I are done for good! You do not know how to engage in honest discourse. the Roo Hi Kang, Rev.1:5 is from # 758 not 757? Ed J

But #758 is from #757.

Anyway, the primary meaning of 758 is “first in rank or power.” The meanings you gave for “archon” are secondary meanings. The word “prince” is archaic English. The word “archon” should be updated to simply mean “ruler” which it is in most current translations.

Jesus is both King and Prince.

KJ

[karmarie]

KJ and Ed,   soon the Lord will return, soon the earth and all ungodliness will be destroyed, after the Tribulation which will come in the Middle east and spread to the whole world.  They who follow the beast.

 It could be.. they worship Allah who has made 'himself' to be God, and all who do not worship the beast will be killed.' Their 'Mahdi' will come (before Jesus in their belief and fight all non believers) and they will probably then set up an image of him. Then they will fight to kill all non muslims. Then suddenly “The Day of the Lord' will come, burning with heat, a 24 hour day, I can match all this with scripture, I just dont have the time right now.

Or maybe it is in Isreal, a Jewish Messiah? The rebuilding of a third temple?

[KangarooJack]

Quote (karmarie @ June 17 2010,11:49)

KJ and Ed,   soon the Lord will return, soon the earth and all ungodliness will be destroyed, after the Tribulation which will come in the Middle east and spread to the whole world.  They who follow the beast.  It could be.. they worship Allah who has made 'himself' to be God, and all who do not worship the beast will be killed.' Their 'Mahdi' will come (before Jesus in their belief and fight all non believers) and they will probably then set up an image of him. Then they will fight to kill all non muslims. Then suddenly “The Day of the Lord' will come, burning with heat, a 24 hour day, I can match all this with scripture, I just dont have the time right now. Or maybe it is in Isreal, a Jewish Messiah? The rebuilding of a third temple?

k,

Science fiction my friend. God will not destroy His creation. The Middle East means nothing to God. All prophecy was fulfilled by ad70.

KJ

[karmarie]

KJ, I have learnt preterist ideas, I will be looking more into this,

2nd Peter 3 says your both scoffers lol. I have to go.

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