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(21.3) 1:0.3 The enlightened worlds all recognize and worship the Universal Father, the eternal maker and infinite upholder of all creation. The will creatures of universe upon universe have embarked upon the long, long Paradise journey, the fascinating struggle of the eternal adventure of attaining God the Father. The transcendent goal of the children of time is to find the eternal God, to comprehend the divine nature, to recognize the Universal Father. God-knowing creatures have only one supreme ambition, just one consuming desire, and that is to become, as they are in their spheres, like him as he is in his Paradise perfection of personality and in his universal sphere of righteous supremacy. From the Universal Father who inhabits eternity there has gone forth the supreme mandate, “Be you perfect, even as I am perfect.” In love and mercy the messengers of Paradise have carried this divine exhortation down through the ages and out through the universes, even to such lowly animal-origin creatures as the human races of
(22.1) 1:0.4 This magnificent and universal injunction to strive for the attainment of the perfection of divinity is the first duty, and should be the highest ambition, of all the struggling creature creation of the God of perfection. This possibility of the attainment of divine perfection is the final and certain destiny of all man’s eternal spiritual progress.
(22.2) 1:0.5 Urantia mortals can hardly hope to be perfect in the infinite sense, but it is entirely possible for human beings, starting out as they do on this planet, to attain the supernal and divine goal which the infinite God has set for mortal man; and when they do achieve this destiny, they will, in all that pertains to self-realization and mind attainment, be just as replete in their sphere of divine perfection as God himself is in his sphere of infinity and eternity. Such perfection may not be universal in the material sense, unlimited in intellectual grasp, or final in spiritual experience, but it is final and complete in all finite aspects of divinity of will, perfection of personality motivation, and God-consciousness.
(22.3) 1:0.6 This is the true meaning of that divine command, “Be you perfect, even as I am perfect,” which ever urges mortal man onward and beckons him inward in that long and fascinating struggle for the attainment of higher and higher levels of spiritual values and true universe meanings. This sublime search for the God of universes is the supreme adventure of the inhabitants of all the worlds of time and space.
Colter
August 16, 2013 at 8:27 pm#355368bodhithartaParticipantQuote (Colter @ Aug. 17 2013,05:59) (21.3) 1:0.3 The enlightened worlds all recognize and worship the Universal Father, the eternal maker and infinite upholder of all creation. The will creatures of universe upon universe have embarked upon the long, long Paradise journey, the fascinating struggle of the eternal adventure of attaining God the Father. The transcendent goal of the children of time is to find the eternal God, to comprehend the divine nature, to recognize the Universal Father. God-knowing creatures have only one supreme ambition, just one consuming desire, and that is to become, as they are in their spheres, like him as he is in his Paradise perfection of personality and in his universal sphere of righteous supremacy. From the Universal Father who inhabits eternity there has gone forth the supreme mandate, “Be you perfect, even as I am perfect.” In love and mercy the messengers of Paradise have carried this divine exhortation down through the ages and out through the universes, even to such lowly animal-origin creatures as the human races of (22.1) 1:0.4 This magnificent and universal injunction to strive for the attainment of the perfection of divinity is the first duty, and should be the highest ambition, of all the struggling creature creation of the God of perfection. This possibility of the attainment of divine perfection is the final and certain destiny of all man’s eternal spiritual progress.
(22.2) 1:0.5 Urantia mortals can hardly hope to be perfect in the infinite sense, but it is entirely possible for human beings, starting out as they do on this planet, to attain the supernal and divine goal which the infinite God has set for mortal man; and when they do achieve this destiny, they will, in all that pertains to self-realization and mind attainment, be just as replete in their sphere of divine perfection as God himself is in his sphere of infinity and eternity. Such perfection may not be universal in the material sense, unlimited in intellectual grasp, or final in spiritual experience, but it is final and complete in all finite aspects of divinity of will, perfection of personality motivation, and God-consciousness.
(22.3) 1:0.6 This is the true meaning of that divine command, “Be you perfect, even as I am perfect,” which ever urges mortal man onward and beckons him inward in that long and fascinating struggle for the attainment of higher and higher levels of spiritual values and true universe meanings. This sublime search for the God of universes is the supreme adventure of the inhabitants of all the worlds of time and space.
Colter
He neither begets nor is born,( سورة الإخلاص , Al-Ikhlas, Chapter #112, Verse #3)
August 17, 2013 at 1:30 am#355380SpockParticipantQuote (bodhitharta @ Aug. 17 2013,07:27) Quote (Colter @ Aug. 17 2013,05:59) (21.3) 1:0.3 The enlightened worlds all recognize and worship the Universal Father, the eternal maker and infinite upholder of all creation. The will creatures of universe upon universe have embarked upon the long, long Paradise journey, the fascinating struggle of the eternal adventure of attaining God the Father. The transcendent goal of the children of time is to find the eternal God, to comprehend the divine nature, to recognize the Universal Father. God-knowing creatures have only one supreme ambition, just one consuming desire, and that is to become, as they are in their spheres, like him as he is in his Paradise perfection of personality and in his universal sphere of righteous supremacy. From the Universal Father who inhabits eternity there has gone forth the supreme mandate, “Be you perfect, even as I am perfect.” In love and mercy the messengers of Paradise have carried this divine exhortation down through the ages and out through the universes, even to such lowly animal-origin creatures as the human races of (22.1) 1:0.4 This magnificent and universal injunction to strive for the attainment of the perfection of divinity is the first duty, and should be the highest ambition, of all the struggling creature creation of the God of perfection. This possibility of the attainment of divine perfection is the final and certain destiny of all man’s eternal spiritual progress.
(22.2) 1:0.5 Urantia mortals can hardly hope to be perfect in the infinite sense, but it is entirely possible for human beings, starting out as they do on this planet, to attain the supernal and divine goal which the infinite God has set for mortal man; and when they do achieve this destiny, they will, in all that pertains to self-realization and mind attainment, be just as replete in their sphere of divine perfection as God himself is in his sphere of infinity and eternity. Such perfection may not be universal in the material sense, unlimited in intellectual grasp, or final in spiritual experience, but it is final and complete in all finite aspects of divinity of will, perfection of personality motivation, and God-consciousness.
(22.3) 1:0.6 This is the true meaning of that divine command, “Be you perfect, even as I am perfect,” which ever urges mortal man onward and beckons him inward in that long and fascinating struggle for the attainment of higher and higher levels of spiritual values and true universe meanings. This sublime search for the God of universes is the supreme adventure of the inhabitants of all the worlds of time and space.
Colter
He neither begets nor is born,( سورة الإخلاص , Al-Ikhlas, Chapter #112, Verse #3)
Mohamed was clueless about Jesus, an Unbeliever so his opinion is to be taken with a grain of salt.Colter
August 17, 2013 at 4:12 am#355395bodhithartaParticipantQuote (Colter @ Aug. 17 2013,12:30) Quote (bodhitharta @ Aug. 17 2013,07:27) Quote (Colter @ Aug. 17 2013,05:59) (21.3) 1:0.3 The enlightened worlds all recognize and worship the Universal Father, the eternal maker and infinite upholder of all creation. The will creatures of universe upon universe have embarked upon the long, long Paradise journey, the fascinating struggle of the eternal adventure of attaining God the Father. The transcendent goal of the children of time is to find the eternal God, to comprehend the divine nature, to recognize the Universal Father. God-knowing creatures have only one supreme ambition, just one consuming desire, and that is to become, as they are in their spheres, like him as he is in his Paradise perfection of personality and in his universal sphere of righteous supremacy. From the Universal Father who inhabits eternity there has gone forth the supreme mandate, “Be you perfect, even as I am perfect.” In love and mercy the messengers of Paradise have carried this divine exhortation down through the ages and out through the universes, even to such lowly animal-origin creatures as the human races of (22.1) 1:0.4 This magnificent and universal injunction to strive for the attainment of the perfection of divinity is the first duty, and should be the highest ambition, of all the struggling creature creation of the God of perfection. This possibility of the attainment of divine perfection is the final and certain destiny of all man’s eternal spiritual progress.
(22.2) 1:0.5 Urantia mortals can hardly hope to be perfect in the infinite sense, but it is entirely possible for human beings, starting out as they do on this planet, to attain the supernal and divine goal which the infinite God has set for mortal man; and when they do achieve this destiny, they will, in all that pertains to self-realization and mind attainment, be just as replete in their sphere of divine perfection as God himself is in his sphere of infinity and eternity. Such perfection may not be universal in the material sense, unlimited in intellectual grasp, or final in spiritual experience, but it is final and complete in all finite aspects of divinity of will, perfection of personality motivation, and God-consciousness.
(22.3) 1:0.6 This is the true meaning of that divine command, “Be you perfect, even as I am perfect,” which ever urges mortal man onward and beckons him inward in that long and fascinating struggle for the attainment of higher and higher levels of spiritual values and true universe meanings. This sublime search for the God of universes is the supreme adventure of the inhabitants of all the worlds of time and space.
Colter
He neither begets nor is born,( سورة الإخلاص , Al-Ikhlas, Chapter #112, Verse #3)
Mohamed was clueless about Jesus, an Unbeliever so his opinion is to be taken with a grain of salt.Colter
There you go again, your Urantia Book is the one cluless about Muhammad. All those celestial communications and thy didn't even have a clue of the spread of Islam?They didn't even mention any of the controversy of the statements in the Quran? Face it, that would be impossible from the viewpoint of celestial beings with massive amounts of knowledge to blank out on but when you put it into perspective that a Christian based group decided to write a Christian based book without having anything more than a sparse knowledge of religion in general you get the Urantia Book. Theaverage Christian does not know about Islam so the people who wrote the Urantia Book had very little knowledge about what was even in the Quran but een th Urantia Book admits Muslims WORSHIP GOD in the HIGHEST SENSE.
I know you can't understand my point but it is clear.
August 17, 2013 at 11:16 am#355406SpockParticipantQuote (bodhitharta @ Aug. 17 2013,15:12) Quote (Colter @ Aug. 17 2013,12:30) Quote (bodhitharta @ Aug. 17 2013,07:27) Quote (Colter @ Aug. 17 2013,05:59) (21.3) 1:0.3 The enlightened worlds all recognize and worship the Universal Father, the eternal maker and infinite upholder of all creation. The will creatures of universe upon universe have embarked upon the long, long Paradise journey, the fascinating struggle of the eternal adventure of attaining God the Father. The transcendent goal of the children of time is to find the eternal God, to comprehend the divine nature, to recognize the Universal Father. God-knowing creatures have only one supreme ambition, just one consuming desire, and that is to become, as they are in their spheres, like him as he is in his Paradise perfection of personality and in his universal sphere of righteous supremacy. From the Universal Father who inhabits eternity there has gone forth the supreme mandate, “Be you perfect, even as I am perfect.” In love and mercy the messengers of Paradise have carried this divine exhortation down through the ages and out through the universes, even to such lowly animal-origin creatures as the human races of (22.1) 1:0.4 This magnificent and universal injunction to strive for the attainment of the perfection of divinity is the first duty, and should be the highest ambition, of all the struggling creature creation of the God of perfection. This possibility of the attainment of divine perfection is the final and certain destiny of all man’s eternal spiritual progress.
(22.2) 1:0.5 Urantia mortals can hardly hope to be perfect in the infinite sense, but it is entirely possible for human beings, starting out as they do on this planet, to attain the supernal and divine goal which the infinite God has set for mortal man; and when they do achieve this destiny, they will, in all that pertains to self-realization and mind attainment, be just as replete in their sphere of divine perfection as God himself is in his sphere of infinity and eternity. Such perfection may not be universal in the material sense, unlimited in intellectual grasp, or final in spiritual experience, but it is final and complete in all finite aspects of divinity of will, perfection of personality motivation, and God-consciousness.
(22.3) 1:0.6 This is the true meaning of that divine command, “Be you perfect, even as I am perfect,” which ever urges mortal man onward and beckons him inward in that long and fascinating struggle for the attainment of higher and higher levels of spiritual values and true universe meanings. This sublime search for the God of universes is the supreme adventure of the inhabitants of all the worlds of time and space.
Colter
He neither begets nor is born,( سورة الإخلاص , Al-Ikhlas, Chapter #112, Verse #3)
Mohamed was clueless about Jesus, an Unbeliever so his opinion is to be taken with a grain of salt.Colter
There you go again, your Urantia Book is the one cluless about Muhammad. All those celestial communications and thy didn't even have a clue of the spread of Islam?They didn't even mention any of the controversy of the statements in the Quran? Face it, that would be impossible from the viewpoint of celestial beings with massive amounts of knowledge to blank out on but when you put it into perspective that a Christian based group decided to write a Christian based book without having anything more than a sparse knowledge of religion in general you get the Urantia Book. Theaverage Christian does not know about Islam so the people who wrote the Urantia Book had very little knowledge about what was even in the Quran but een th Urantia Book admits Muslims WORSHIP GOD in the HIGHEST SENSE.
I know you can't understand my point but it is clear.
Jesus made no mention of the coming of Islam to replace his kingdom either…..but he did warn of false prophets.The UB explains that there Are revealed religions like Melchizedeks and evolved religions like Judaism and Islam which only contain partial truth and error.
Islam is wrong about Jesus, does not respect his office and authority and has been violently battling Christians for centuries. Even now they murder Christians and burn churches in Egypt. Like Jerusalem, if Islam persists in its oppressive and rebellious ways against Gods Son, it will share the same fate as the Israelites.
The Son has always been “the way” to the Father regardless of weather or not you understand it, agree with it or labor against the Son.
Colter
August 17, 2013 at 11:02 pm#355438Ed JParticipantThe muslim god 'al-Lah is satan masquerading as the angel Gabriel. (see Gal.1:8 & 2Cor.11:14-15)
Quote (bodhitharta @ Aug. 17 2013,07:27) He neither begets nor is born, ( سورة الإخلاص , Al-Ikhlas, Chapter #112, Verse #3)
Hi BD,Why do you post the 'BOOK OF FRAUD', do you somehow “think”
that it has authority to overrule the Holy Scriptures given by GOD?
Muslims are taught to be rebellious towards the word given by GOD.Of his own will begat he us with “The Word” of truth,
that we should be a kind of firstfruits of his creatures. (James 1:18)THIS VERSE PROVES the quran IS FALSE!
Ed
August 17, 2013 at 11:09 pm#355440bodhithartaParticipantQuote (Ed J @ Aug. 18 2013,10:02) The muslim god 'al-Lah is satan masquerading as the angel Gabriel. (see Gal.1:8 & 2Cor.11:14-15) Quote (bodhitharta @ Aug. 17 2013,07:27) He neither begets nor is born, ( سورة الإخلاص , Al-Ikhlas, Chapter #112, Verse #3)
Hi BD,Why do you post the 'BOOK OF FRAUD', do you somehow “think”
that it has authority to overrule the Holy Scriptures given by GOD?
Muslims are taught to be rebellious towards the word given by GOD.Of his own will begat he us with “The Word” of truth,
that we should be a kind of firstfruits of his creatures. (James 1:18)This verse proves the quran to be FALSE!
Ed
Actually you just proved that the term “begotten” is a metaphor as I said it was.Of his own will begat he us with “The Word” of truth,
that we should be a kind of firstfruits of his creatures. (James 1:18)IS “he begat us with the “The Word”” a Metaphor or not?
August 17, 2013 at 11:13 pm#355442Ed JParticipantQuote (bodhitharta @ Aug. 18 2013,10:09) IS “he begat us with the “The Word”” a Metaphor or not?
No BD,Is God's Kingdom only a metaphor to YOU as well?
Ed
August 17, 2013 at 11:15 pm#355444bodhithartaParticipantQuote (Ed J @ Aug. 18 2013,10:13) Quote (bodhitharta @ Aug. 18 2013,10:09) IS “he begat us with the “The Word”” a Metaphor or not?
No BD,Is God's Kingdom only a metaphor to YOU as well?
Ed
So you were begat in what way by The Word?August 17, 2013 at 11:17 pm#355445bodhithartaParticipantOh and by the way “kingdom of God” is allegorical
Definition of ALLEGORICAL
1
: of, relating to, or having the characteristics of allegory
2
: having hidden spiritual meaning that transcends the literal sense of a sacred text
August 17, 2013 at 11:20 pm#355446Ed JParticipantQuote (Ed J @ Aug. 18 2013,10:13) Quote (bodhitharta @ Aug. 18 2013,10:09) IS “he begat us with the “The Word”” a Metaphor or not?
No BD,Is God's Kingdom only a metaphor to YOU as well?
Ed
“The law and the prophets were until John:
since that time the kingdom of God is preached,
and every man presseth into it.” (Luke 16:16)August 17, 2013 at 11:22 pm#355447Ed JParticipantQuote (bodhitharta @ Aug. 18 2013,10:15) Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 18 2013,10:13) Quote (bodhitharta @ Aug. 18 2013,10:09) IS “he begat us with the “The Word”” a Metaphor or not?
No BD,Is God's Kingdom only a metaphor to YOU as well?
Ed
So you were begat in what way by The Word?
“That which is born of the flesh is flesh;
and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.” (John 3:6)August 17, 2013 at 11:23 pm#355448Ed JParticipantQuote (Ed J @ Aug. 18 2013,10:13) No BD, Is God's Kingdom only a metaphor to YOU as well?
Ed
Is that a “No” then? …or a “Yes”?August 18, 2013 at 12:30 am#355457bodhithartaParticipantQuote (Ed J @ Aug. 18 2013,10:22) Quote (bodhitharta @ Aug. 18 2013,10:15) Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 18 2013,10:13) Quote (bodhitharta @ Aug. 18 2013,10:09) IS “he begat us with the “The Word”” a Metaphor or not?
No BD,Is God's Kingdom only a metaphor to YOU as well?
Ed
So you were begat in what way by The Word?
“That which is born of the flesh is flesh;
and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.” (John 3:6)
So are you still composed of Flesh? I never met you so I am asking are you composed of Spirit instead of flesh?August 18, 2013 at 12:46 am#355458bodhithartaParticipantQuote (Ed J @ Aug. 18 2013,10:23) Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 18 2013,10:13) No BD, Is God's Kingdom only a metaphor to YOU as well?
Ed
Is that a “No” then? …or a “Yes”?
Yes, it is an allegorical term explained with analogous languageParadise is a much clearer term
Luke 13:18-21
Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)
18 Then said he, Unto what is the kingdom of God like? and whereunto shall I resemble it? 19 It is like a grain of mustard seed, which a man took, and cast into his garden; and it grew, and waxed a great tree; and the fowls of the air lodged in the branches of it. 20 And again he said, Whereunto shall I liken the kingdom of God? 21 It is like leaven, which a woman took and hid in three measures of meal, till the whole was leavened.
August 18, 2013 at 12:47 am#355459bodhithartaParticipantBut they who believe and do righteous deeds – those are the companions of paradise; they will abide therein eternally.
( سورة البقرة , Al-Baqara, Chapter #2, Verse #82)
August 18, 2013 at 1:05 am#355462Ed JParticipantQuote (bodhitharta @ Aug. 18 2013,11:30) Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 18 2013,10:22) Quote (bodhitharta @ Aug. 18 2013,10:15) Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 18 2013,10:13) Quote (bodhitharta @ Aug. 18 2013,10:09) IS “he begat us with the “The Word”” a Metaphor or not?
No BD,Is God's Kingdom only a metaphor to YOU as well?
Ed
So you were begat in what way by The Word?
“That which is born of the flesh is flesh;
and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.” (John 3:6)
So are you still composed of Flesh? I never met you so I am asking are you composed of Spirit instead of flesh?
“But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you.
Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.” (Romans 8:9)“So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him
shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.” (Hebrews 9:28)First: “The Passover”
Then: “Pentecost”First YOU need to accept Jesus ransom sacrifice for YOUR sins. (The Passover)
Then YOU can become a “Son of God” by being born again with God's HolySpirit. (Pentecost)Ed (witness)
August 18, 2013 at 1:12 am#355463Ed JParticipantQuote (bodhitharta @ Aug. 18 2013,11:46) Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 18 2013,10:23) Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 18 2013,10:13) No BD, Is God's Kingdom only a metaphor to YOU as well?
Ed
Is that a “No” then? …or a “Yes”?
Yes, it is an allegorical term explained with analogous languageParadise is a much clearer term
Luke 13:18-21
Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)
18 Then said he, Unto what is the kingdom of God like? and whereunto shall I resemble it? 19 It is like a grain of mustard seed, which a man took, and cast into his garden; and it grew, and waxed a great tree; and the fowls of the air lodged in the branches of it. 20 And again he said, Whereunto shall I liken the kingdom of God? 21 It is like leaven, which a woman took and hid in three measures of meal, till the whole was leavened.
Hi BD,The term “Paradise” isn't in that verse? And as usual you ignore other similar verses…
“The kingdom of heaven is like to a grain of mustard seed, which a man took, and sowed in his field: Which
indeed is the least of all seeds: but when it is grown, it is the greatest among herbs, and becometh a
[tree of Life], so that the birds of the air come and lodge in the branches thereof.” (Matt 13:31-32)Ed (witness)
August 18, 2013 at 3:51 am#355475bodhithartaParticipantQuote (Ed J @ Aug. 18 2013,12:12) Quote (bodhitharta @ Aug. 18 2013,11:46) Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 18 2013,10:23) Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 18 2013,10:13) No BD, Is God's Kingdom only a metaphor to YOU as well?
Ed
Is that a “No” then? …or a “Yes”?
Yes, it is an allegorical term explained with analogous languageParadise is a much clearer term
Luke 13:18-21
Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)
18 Then said he, Unto what is the kingdom of God like? and whereunto shall I resemble it? 19 It is like a grain of mustard seed, which a man took, and cast into his garden; and it grew, and waxed a great tree; and the fowls of the air lodged in the branches of it. 20 And again he said, Whereunto shall I liken the kingdom of God? 21 It is like leaven, which a woman took and hid in three measures of meal, till the whole was leavened.
Hi BD,The term “Paradise” isn't in that verse? And as usual you ignore other similar verses…
“The kingdom of heaven is like to a grain of mustard seed, which a man took, and sowed in his field: Which
indeed is the least of all seeds: but when it is grown, it is the greatest among herbs, and becometh a
[tree of Life], so that the birds of the air come and lodge in the branches thereof.” (Matt 13:31-32)Ed (witness)
I was demonstrating allegory for you.The comment about Paradise was to say it is clearer than the analogy “Kingdom of God”
August 18, 2013 at 3:55 am#355477bodhithartaParticipantQuote (Ed J @ Aug. 18 2013,12:05) “But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you.
Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.” (Romans 8:9)“So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him
shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.” (Hebrews 9:28)First: “The Passover”
Then: “Pentecost”First YOU need to accept Jesus ransom sacrifice for YOUR sins. (The Passover)
Then YOU can become a “Son of God” by being born again with God's HolySpirit. (Pentecost)Ed (witness)
So according to your logic the Jews could have never been “children of the Most High” as reported here:Psalm 82:6
I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High.These people did not accept the ransom sacrifice, how is it the were called “the children of the MOST HIGH”?
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