WAS jESUS RESURRECTED IN THE FLESH,

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Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 12 2013,08:44)

2Besee.

All you need to do is proof me wrong.

wakeup.

Scriptures Wakeup, read what Jesus said. Did Jesus say that he was flesh – yes or no? Was Jesus being deceptive by saying that he was flesh – when (according to you) he actually 'was not really flesh'.
Is truth deceptive?
Jesus said that he was the way the truth and the life.

January 12, 2013 at 5:58 pm#327694

kerwin

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Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 12 2013,01:44)

Quote (2besee @ Jan. 11 2013,23:09)

Wakeup,
You are really scared! The truth scares you.

Is Jesus an Angel now? Is that all that He is – an Angel?

2Besee.

All you need to do is proof me wrong.

wakeup.

Wakeup,

Romans 5:15
King James Version (KJV)

15 But not as the offence, so also is the free gift. For if through the offence of one many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, which is by one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many.

1 Timothy 2:5
King James Version (KJV)

5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

Hebrews 8:3
King James Version (KJV)

3 For every high priest is ordained to offer gifts and sacrifices: wherefore it is of necessity that this man have somewhat also to offer.

The evidence is there, the question is whether or not you choose to believe it.

January 12, 2013 at 9:09 pm#327702

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Quote (kerwin @ Jan. 13 2013,03:58)

Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 12 2013,01:44)

Quote (2besee @ Jan. 11 2013,23:09)

Wakeup,
You are really scared! The truth scares you.

Is Jesus an Angel now? Is that all that He is – an Angel?

2Besee.

All you need to do is proof me wrong.

wakeup.

Wakeup,

Romans 5:15
King James Version (KJV)

1 Timothy 2:5
King James Version (KJV)

5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

Hebrews 8:3
King James Version (KJV)

3 For every high priest is ordained to offer gifts and sacrifices: wherefore it is of necessity that this man have somewhat also to offer.

The evidence is there, the question is whether or not you choose to believe it.

Kerwin.

Tell me if this is a man in the flesh.

Revelation 19:12 **HIS EYES WERE AS AFLAME OF FIRE**, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself.

Revelation 19:13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.

Revelation 19:14 And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon *WHITE HORSES*, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.
ARE THEY HORSES OF FLESH??

Revelation 19:15 **AND OUT OF HIS MOUTH GOETH A SHARP SWORD**, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.

wakeup.

January 12, 2013 at 11:10 pm#327705

kerwin

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Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 13 2013,02:09)

Quote (kerwin @ Jan. 13 2013,03:58)

Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 12 2013,01:44)

Quote (2besee @ Jan. 11 2013,23:09)

Wakeup,
You are really scared! The truth scares you.

Is Jesus an Angel now? Is that all that He is – an Angel?

2Besee.

All you need to do is proof me wrong.

wakeup.

Wakeup,

Romans 5:15
King James Version (KJV)

1 Timothy 2:5
King James Version (KJV)

5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

Hebrews 8:3
King James Version (KJV)

3 For every high priest is ordained to offer gifts and sacrifices: wherefore it is of necessity that this man have somewhat also to offer.

The evidence is there, the question is whether or not you choose to believe it.

Kerwin.

Tell me if this is a man in the flesh.

Revelation 19:12 **HIS EYES WERE AS AFLAME OF FIRE**, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself.

Revelation 19:13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.

Revelation 19:14 And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon *WHITE HORSES*, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.
ARE THEY HORSES OF FLESH??

wakeup.

Wakeup,

This is also written about him.

Revelation 5:6
King James Version (KJV)

6 And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth.

about other men it is written:

Psalm 57:4
King James Version (KJV)

4 My soul is among lions: and I lie even among them that are set on fire, even the sons of men, whose teeth are spears and arrows, and their tongue a sharp sword.

January 13, 2013 at 12:21 am#327709

942767

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Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 11 2013,23:53)

Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 11 2013,22:11)

We can not contradict Jesus words; he said flesh and blood can NOT ENTER the kingdom of heaven.

wakeup.

Those were Paul's words. (see my previous post)

Hi Jesus stated:

That he had “flesh and bone”. He did not have “blood”, and therefore, the scripture that states that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom is correct. It is the blood that is the “life of the flesh”, and we, as Jesus did, have a mortal body. With no blood the body is dead.

What gave Jesus life after he was raised from the dead?

Love in Christ,
Marty

January 13, 2013 at 5:54 am#327728

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Quote (2besee @ Jan. 12 2013,21:40)

Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 12 2013,08:44)

2Besee.

All you need to do is proof me wrong.

wakeup.

2Besee.

Jesus did appear in the flesh with his wounds and stripes in tackt.

To proof to the doubtful thomas,that he is indeed Jesus.
He is the shining one,the morning star.
He is so much better than the angels, and he is our Holy brother,that went up first,we are to follow.

We also will be shining lights.

wakeup.

January 13, 2013 at 7:54 am#327734

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Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 13 2013,17:54)

Quote (2besee @ Jan. 12 2013,21:40)

Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 12 2013,08:44)

2Besee.

All you need to do is proof me wrong.

wakeup.

2Besee.

Jesus did appear in the flesh with his wounds and stripes in tackt.

To proof to the doubtful thomas,that he is indeed Jesus.
He is the shining one,the morning star.
He is so much better than the angels, and he is our Holy brother,that went up first,we are to follow.

We also will be shining lights.

wakeup.

Wakeup, with this I agree however, when Jesus was risen from the dead he was more than a Spirit and he still is more that a Spirit, otherwise He would not be the firstborn over all creation, the firstborn of many, would he.

When the first ever Caterpillar went into a Cocoon and emerged as a Butterfly, it was the “firstborn” of it's kind, ever.

Lazarus also was risen from the dead.

Was Lazarus flesh?

January 13, 2013 at 8:05 am#327741

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Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 12 2013,06:28)

Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 11 2013,23:52)

Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 11 2013,22:11)

Can flesh and blood enter heaven? NO.

Hi Wakeup,

“Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God” (1 Cor 15:50)
You agreed with me that the word “Flesh” means carnal mind. (forgot which thread?)

Now about the blood part

We all had Adams blood, but the blood of Christ cleanses us.

(The Passover) (Lev.17:11) For the life of the flesh is in the blood:
and I have given it to you upon the altar to make an atonement
for your souls: for it is the blood that maketh an atonement for the soul.

(The Passover) 22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
(Pentecost) 23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.
(Feast of Tabernacles) 24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God,
even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power. (1 Cor 15:22-24)

Thy Kingdom Come , thy will be done
(Pentecost) (Feast of Tabernacles)

Rev 11:15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying,
The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our LORD(YHVH),
and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.

God bless
Ed J

EdJ.

You are just heaping up doctrines of your own.
Believing in God, but denying his power.
Your carnal mind is in the way.

Flesh is flesh, and bone is bone,there is none such as spirit flesh. What is next?
The mind of the world likes to invent things that he can not understand. The result is always confusion.

wakeup.

Hi Wakeup,

What power, are you suggesting I'm denying?

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

January 13, 2013 at 8:07 am#327742

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Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 12 2013,07:38)

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So you are a little bit of JW, a little bit of Armstrong, a bit of this and a bit of that, hmm?

Tell me the truth Wakeup. How many books did you read to gain your understanding?

2Besee.

One book;the Holy bible.
The flesh of Christ.

wakeup.

Hi Wakeup,

So all the videos you watch don't count then, is that right?

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

Wakeup?

January 13, 2013 at 8:08 am#327743

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Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 12 2013,07:39)

Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 12 2013,06:44)

Quote (2besee @ Jan. 11 2013,23:09)

Wakeup,
You are really scared! The truth scares you.

Is Jesus an Angel now? Is that all that He is – an Angel?

2Besee.

All you need to do is proof me wrong.

wakeup.

Hi Wakeup,

“For unto the angels hath he not put in subjection the world to come, whereof we speak.” (Heb 2:5)

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

Wakeup?

January 13, 2013 at 8:15 am#327745

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Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 13 2013,07:09)

Quote (kerwin @ Jan. 13 2013,03:58)

Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 12 2013,01:44)

Quote (2besee @ Jan. 11 2013,23:09)

Wakeup,
You are really scared! The truth scares you.

Is Jesus an Angel now? Is that all that He is – an Angel?

2Besee.

All you need to do is proof me wrong.

wakeup.

Wakeup,

Romans 5:15
King James Version (KJV)

1 Timothy 2:5
King James Version (KJV)

5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

Hebrews 8:3
King James Version (KJV)

3 For every high priest is ordained to offer gifts and sacrifices: wherefore it is of necessity that this man have somewhat also to offer.

The evidence is there, the question is whether or not you choose to believe it.

Kerwin.

Tell me if this is a man in the flesh.

Revelation 19:12 **HIS EYES WERE AS AFLAME OF FIRE**, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself.

Revelation 19:13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.

Revelation 19:14 And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon *WHITE HORSES*, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.
ARE THEY HORSES OF FLESH??

wakeup.

Hi Wakeup,

Revelation 19:11-21 is about the “HolySpirit”.
Compare Isaiah 63:2-11 with Rev.19:11-15

“The Word” is the “HolySpirit”!
And “HolySpirit” is HE and I !

Rev. 19:13 He was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood.
Isaiah 63:3 Their blood shall be sprinkled upon my garments

Revelation 19:15 He treadeth the winepress
Isaiah 63:3 I have trodden the winepress alone

Rev.19:13 His name is called The Word of God.
Isaiah 63:11 He that put His HolySpirit within

But they rebelled, and vexed
his HolySpirit: therefore he
was turned to be their enemy,
and he fought against them.

Isaiah 63:10 I will tread down the people in mine anger
…and I will bring down their strength to the earth.
Revelation 19:15 Out of His mouth goeth (The Word) a sharp sword,
that with it He should smite the nations.

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

January 13, 2013 at 8:33 am#327750

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Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 13 2013,20:15)

Hi Wakeup,

Revelation 19:11-21 is about the “HolySpirit”.
Compare Isaiah 63:2-11 with Rev.19:11-15

Revelation 19:15 He treadeth the winepress
Isaiah 63:3 I have trodden the winepress alone

Rev.19:13 His name is called The Word of God.
Isaiah 63:11 He that put His HolySpirit within

But they rebelled, and vexed
his HolySpirit: therefore he
was turned to be their enemy,
and he fought against them.

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

Amen Ed, that is the way that I understand it too.

January 13, 2013 at 9:13 am#327763

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Quote (2besee @ Jan. 13 2013,18:33)

Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 13 2013,20:15)

Hi Wakeup,

Revelation 19:11-21 is about the “HolySpirit”.
Compare Isaiah 63:2-11 with Rev.19:11-15

Revelation 19:15 He treadeth the winepress
Isaiah 63:3 I have trodden the winepress alone

Rev.19:13 His name is called The Word of God.
Isaiah 63:11 He that put His HolySpirit within

But they rebelled, and vexed
his HolySpirit: therefore he
was turned to be their enemy,
and he fought against them.

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

Amen Ed, that is the way that I understand it too.

Amen!

January 13, 2013 at 11:11 am#327785

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Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 13 2013,18:15)

Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 13 2013,07:09)

Quote (kerwin @ Jan. 13 2013,03:58)

Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 12 2013,01:44)

Quote (2besee @ Jan. 11 2013,23:09)

Wakeup,
You are really scared! The truth scares you.

Is Jesus an Angel now? Is that all that He is – an Angel?

2Besee.

All you need to do is proof me wrong.

wakeup.

Wakeup,

Romans 5:15
King James Version (KJV)

1 Timothy 2:5
King James Version (KJV)

5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

Hebrews 8:3
King James Version (KJV)

3 For every high priest is ordained to offer gifts and sacrifices: wherefore it is of necessity that this man have somewhat also to offer.

The evidence is there, the question is whether or not you choose to believe it.

Kerwin.

Tell me if this is a man in the flesh.

Revelation 19:12 **HIS EYES WERE AS AFLAME OF FIRE**, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself.

Revelation 19:13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.

Revelation 19:14 And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon *WHITE HORSES*, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.
ARE THEY HORSES OF FLESH??

wakeup.

Hi Wakeup,

Revelation 19:11-21 is about the “HolySpirit”.
Compare Isaiah 63:2-11 with Rev.19:11-15

Revelation 19:15 He treadeth the winepress
Isaiah 63:3 I have trodden the winepress alone

Rev.19:13 His name is called The Word of God.
Isaiah 63:11 He that put His HolySpirit within

But they rebelled, and vexed
his HolySpirit: therefore he
was turned to be their enemy,
and he fought against them.

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

EdJ.

NOT CORRECT.

Who was sitting next to God,is it the HOLY SPIRIT or is it JESUS?

Psalms 110:1 The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, UNTILL I MAKE THINE ENEMIES THY FOOT STOOL.

WAS GOD SPEAKING TO THE HOLY SPIRIT?

Psalms 110:2 The LORD shall send the rod of thy strength out of Zion: RULE THOU IN THE MIDS OF THINE ENEMIES.

Where have you been?

wakeup.

January 13, 2013 at 11:45 am#327788

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Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 13 2013,23:11)

EdJ.

NOT CORRECT.

Who was sitting next to God,is it the HOLY SPIRIT or is it JESUS?

Psalms 110:1 The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, UNTILL I MAKE THINE ENEMIES THY FOOT STOOL.

WAS GOD SPEAKING TO THE HOLY SPIRIT?

Hi Wakeup.
Yes, Jesus was sitting next to God, whilst the Holy Spirit is visualized in one part as the river of life that flows out from the throne of God and of Jesus the Lamb.

Rev 22:1,

Then he showed me the river of the water of life, bright as crystal, flowing from the throne of God and of the Lamb.

That is the Holy Spirit flowing out from the throne of God and the lamb to people on earth, as the Holy Spirit was sent or poured out.

The following is also about Jesus, described as one like a son of man, and He is given the kingdom

Daniel 7:9-14

[9] 'As I looked,
thrones were placed
and one that was ancient of days took his seat;
his raiment was white as snow,
and the hair of his head like pure wool;
his throne was fiery flames,
its wheels were burning fire.
A stream of fire issued
and came forth from before him;
a thousand thousands served him,
and ten thousand times ten thousand stood before him;
the court sat in judgment,
and the books were opened.

[13] I saw in the night visions, and behold, with the clouds of heaven
there came one like a son of man,
and he came to the Ancient of Days
and was presented before him.
And to him was given dominion
and glory and kingdom,
that all peoples, nations, and languages
should serve him;
his dominion is an everlasting dominion,
which shall not pass away,
and his kingdom one
that shall not be destroyed.'

And here it is again:

Rev 5:1-14

And I saw in the right hand of him who was seated on the throne a scroll written within and on the back, sealed with seven seals;

and I saw a strong angel proclaiming with a loud voice,
“Who is worthy to open the scroll and break its seals?”
And no one in heaven or on earth or under the earth was able to open the scroll or to look into it,
and I wept much that no one was found worthy to open the scroll or to into into it.
Then one of the elders said to me,”Weep not; lo, the Lion of the tribe of Judah, the Root of David, has conquered,
so that he can open the scroll and its seven seals.”

And between the throne and the four living creatures and among the elders, I saw a Lamb standing, as though it had been slain,
with seven horns and with seven eyes, which are the seven spirits of God sent out into all the earth;

and he went and took the scroll from the right hand of him who was seated on the throne.
And when he had taken the scroll, the four living creatures and the twenty-four elders fell down before the Lamb, each holding a harp,
and with golden bowls full of incense, which are the prayers of the saints;
and they sang a new song, saying, “Worthy art thou to take the scroll and to open its seals,
for thou wast slain and by thy blood didst ransom men for God
from every tribe and tongue and people and nation,
and hast made them a kingdom and priests to our God,
and they shall reign on earth.”
Then I looked, and I heard around the throne and the living creatures and the elders the voice of many angels, numbering myriads of myriads and thousands of thousands,
saying with a loud voice, “Worthy is the Lamb who was slain, to receive power and wealth and wisdom and might and honor and glory and blessing!”
And I heard every creature in heaven and on earth and under the earth and in the sea, and all therein,
saying, “To him who sits upon the throne and to the Lamb be blessing and honor and glory and might for ever and ever!”
And the four living creatures said, “Amen!” and the elders fell down and worshiped.'

—————————-

When Ed sees the Word of God as being the Holy Spirit clothed in a robe dipped in blood, that to me is the Body of Jesus in which the Holy Spirit dwelt and spoke the Word of God.

Just my view Wakeup.

January 13, 2013 at 12:33 pm#327807

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Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 13 2013,21:11)

EdJ.

NOT CORRECT.

Who was sitting next to God,is it the HOLY SPIRIT or is it JESUS?

Psalms 110:1 The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, UNTILL I MAKE THINE ENEMIES THY FOOT STOOL.

WAS GOD SPEAKING TO THE HOLY SPIRIT?

Psalms 110:2 The LORD shall send the rod of thy strength out of Zion: RULE THOU IN THE MIDS OF THINE ENEMIES.

Where have you been?

wakeup.

Hi Wakeup,

Who was the rod of Jesus' strength? …the HolySpirit!
Who is ruling in the midst of his enemies? …the HolySpirit!

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

January 13, 2013 at 2:12 pm#327841

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Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 13 2013,22:33)

Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 13 2013,21:11)

EdJ.

NOT CORRECT.

Who was sitting next to God,is it the HOLY SPIRIT or is it JESUS?

Psalms 110:1 The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, UNTILL I MAKE THINE ENEMIES THY FOOT STOOL.

WAS GOD SPEAKING TO THE HOLY SPIRIT?

Psalms 110:2 The LORD shall send the rod of thy strength out of Zion: RULE THOU IN THE MIDS OF THINE ENEMIES.

Where have you been?

wakeup.

Hi Wakeup,

Who was the rod of Jesus' strength? …the HolySpirit!
Who is ruling in the midst of his enemies? …the HolySpirit!

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

EDJ.

Not correct.

The Lamb is not the Holy spirit.
The Holy spirit is send by Jesus.
Greater is he that send than he that is send.

John 16:7 Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, **I WILL SEND HIM UNTO YOU**.

wakeup.

January 13, 2013 at 2:15 pm#327844

kerwin

Participant

Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 13 2013,10:54)

Quote (2besee @ Jan. 12 2013,21:40)

Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 12 2013,08:44)

2Besee.

All you need to do is proof me wrong.

wakeup.

2Besee.

Jesus did appear in the flesh with his wounds and stripes in tackt.

To proof to the doubtful thomas,that he is indeed Jesus.
He is the shining one,the morning star.
He is so much better than the angels, and he is our Holy brother,that went up first,we are to follow.

We also will be shining lights.

wakeup.

Wakeup,

As I pointed out symbols are used in Scripture, more often in prophecy and parables. Be careful not to take symbols literally..

Now you are getting your information from a passage that has been is translated through doctrinal bias.

The actual Ancient Greek leaves the possibility of scarring though the translators went for the dramatic open wounds.

I have a question to ask you, would Thomas have been satisfied with the scarring or did he demand the open wounds before he would believe Jesus was raised from the dead?

January 13, 2013 at 3:13 pm#327866

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Quote (kerwin @ Jan. 14 2013,00:15)

Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 13 2013,10:54)

Quote (2besee @ Jan. 12 2013,21:40)

Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 12 2013,08:44)

2Besee.

All you need to do is proof me wrong.

wakeup.

2Besee.

Jesus did appear in the flesh with his wounds and stripes in tackt.

To proof to the doubtful thomas,that he is indeed Jesus.
He is the shining one,the morning star.
He is so much better than the angels, and he is our Holy brother,that went up first,we are to follow.

We also will be shining lights.

wakeup.

Wakeup,

As I pointed out symbols are used in Scripture, more often in prophecy and parables. Be careful not to take symbols literally..

Now you are getting your information from a passage that has been is translated through doctrinal bias.

The actual Ancient Greek leaves the possibility of scarring though the translators went for the dramatic open wounds.

I have a question to ask you, would Thomas have been satisfied with the scarring or did he demand the open wounds before he would believe Jesus was raised from the dead?

Kerwin.

Apparently he believed,and said my Lord My God.
The reason he did not believe, when told by his brothers,is becuase he was not there at the first apppearing.

wakeup.

January 13, 2013 at 3:37 pm#327877