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- January 7, 2005 at 9:12 pm#19111MichaelTheeArchAngelParticipant
The rush of tsunami waves brought sudden disaster to people carrying out their daily activities. On the ocean's edge many Indians were swept away while taking a ritual Hindu bath, in their worship of the full moon. Fishing boats, with their owners clinging to their sides, were picked up by the waves and tossed away. India has recorded nearly 10,000 deaths from the tsunami that pounded shorelines on Dec. 26 in its southern states and the outlying Andaman and Nicobar islands. Some 6,000 people are missing and presumed dead, mainly in the island territories. The death toll is expected climb higher as the body count continues.
January 9, 2005 at 9:55 pm#19112NickHassanParticipantHi Mtaa,
If this is the start of the endtimes then these disasters will become commonplace and will affect the whole world. [Read Is 24].
This is the work of God through his servants including the celestial bodies.
The godless will suffer and the only safe place is in the Son.
But we need to make sure we are in Him before the measurements of the temple are taken[Rev 12]
We must not still be in the outer court [religion]but the inner rooms of the temple -ie born into the Son of God.Global warming is the least of our problems if the world will be destroyed by fire[2 Peter]
January 10, 2005 at 10:32 pm#19113AnonymousGuestI thought that it was odd that, at the same time the Hindu moon worshippers were at the edge of the sea worshipping the moon, a tidal wave came and took their lives. Wild animals were reported to have moved to higher ground before the tidal wave came. Were any christians killed, I have not heared of any. Only now, after the tidal wave, have the people began to kill christians and destroy the churches. I guess they want God to punish them some more. And after He does they raise their fist toward heaven and curse God. For certain somethings happen by chance, and at other times, like the last days, the bible says that many will be the slain of the Lord.
January 11, 2005 at 12:09 am#19114NickHassanParticipantHi Michael,
What is a christian?
If I say I am a christian does that make me one?
If I say I believe in God or go to church does that make me one?
God knows those who are His.
Nothing happens by chance. Jesus spoke of people who had been murdered or had suffered in a terrible accident in Lk 13 1-4 and said
” unless you repent you will all likewise perish”The suffering of Job included destruction of his home and animals and family and it was all in God's plan-executed by Satan who comes to lie ,murder and destroy all he can.
January 12, 2005 at 7:57 pm#19115AnonymousGuestHi Nick, There are many people who say that they are christian, but nothing could be futher from the truth. I would say that the difference being is, those who do Gods will, and those who do their own will. God says that He shows mercy to those who keep His commandments. The 4th commandment says: Remember the sabbath to keep it holy. It must have been important to God, to say; Remember.
January 12, 2005 at 8:02 pm#19116AnonymousGuestSUNDAY is the first day of the week. From prehistoric times to the close of the fifth century of the Christian era, the worship of the sun was dominant. Sunday celebrates the sun gods,Allah, Ra, Helios, Apollo, Ogmios, Mithrias, and the sun goddess, Phoebe. In the year 321, Constantine the Great ruled that the first day of the week, ‘the venerable day of the sun’, should be a day of rest. The sunday sabbath is a commandment of a man. Constantine was also the pagan high priest while he proclaimed himself head of the christian church.
January 12, 2005 at 8:35 pm#19117NickHassanParticipantHi Michael,
Yes obedience to God is the requirement.That means obeying Yeshua in Jn 3.3-5 and following him.
Yeshua reiterated the commandments for the Jewish listeners when he walked the earth. But we are not under OT law.Funnily enough he gave little emphasis to the Sabbath.January 14, 2005 at 5:45 pm#19118AnonymousGuestQuote (Nick Hassan @ Jan. 12 2005,20:35) Hi Michael,
Yes obedience to God is the requirement.That means obeying Yeshua in Jn 3.3-5 and following him.
Yeshua reiterated the commandments for the Jewish listeners when he walked the earth. But we are not under OT law.Funnily enough he gave little emphasis to the Sabbath.
“The sabbath was made for man”. Jesus is “Lord of the sabbath”. We are free of the old covenant law, but we are not free from the Commandments of God. Jesus was the fulfilment (END) of the Old Covenant (LAW) and the begining of a New Covenant. Paul said he was free from the law, but not free from Gods Law. Gods Law is His Commandments. Jesus did not break any commandments or laws, that is what made him the perfect sacrifice for the New Covenant. The disciples picking of grain on the sabbath to eat, were not harvesting the field. VERY BIG difference. Did you notice that Jesus said that the sabbath was made for (man), and not (Jew). The keeping of the sabbath is a “sign” between man and God.January 14, 2005 at 7:44 pm#19119NickHassanParticipantHi M
Try “old and New 'ForumSeptember 15, 2005 at 9:29 pm#19120NickHassanParticipantHi,
Tsunamis. hurricanes and floods. Could this relate?
Lk 21.25
” And there will be signs in sun, moon and stars, and upon the earth dismay among nations, in perplexity at the roaring of the sea and the waves”September 16, 2005 at 10:29 pm#19121EliyahParticipantRight Michael,
The Shabbat( Sabbath) was made for Man, and it is a sign between Yahweh and those that really obey Him, and belongs to Him.
There is NO command in the scriptures to change the Sabbath day, even tho. some may try to twist certain texts to claim otherwise.
Eliyah C.
September 16, 2005 at 11:51 pm#19122davidParticipantEx. 31:16, 17: “The sons of Israel must keep the sabbath, so as to carry out the sabbath during their generations. It is a covenant to time indefinite [“a perpetual covenant,” RS]. Between me and the sons of Israel it is a sign to time indefinite.”
(Notice that sabbath observance was a sign between Jehovah and Israel; this would not be the case if everyone else were also obligated to keep the Sabbath. The Hebrew word rendered “perpetual” in RS is 'oh·lam´, which basically means a period of time that, from the standpoint of the present, is indefinite or hidden from sight but of long duration. That can mean forever, but not necessarily so. At Numbers 25:13 the same Hebrew word is applied to the priesthood, which later ended, according to Hebrews 7:12.)
Rom. 10:4: “Christ is the end of the Law, so that everyone exercising faith may have righteousness.”
(Sabbath keeping was a part of that Law. God used Christ to bring that Law to its end. Our having a righteous standing with God depends on faith in Christ, not on keeping a weekly sabbath.) (Also Galatians 4:9-11; Ephesians 2:13-16)
Col. 2:13-16: “[God] kindly forgave us all our trespasses and blotted out the handwritten document against us, which consisted of decrees and which was in opposition to us . . . Therefore let no man judge you in eating and drinking or in respect of a festival or of an observance of the new moon or of a sabbath.”
(If a person was under the Mosaic Law and was judged guilty of profaning the Sabbath, he was to be stoned to death by the whole congregation, according to Exodus 31:14 and Numbers 15:32-35. Many who argue for sabbath keeping have reason to be glad that we are not under that Law. As shown in the scripture here quoted, an approved standing with God no longer requires observance of the sabbath requirement given to Israel.)
September 17, 2005 at 12:32 am#19123EliyahParticipantDavid, what you are mistaken about is that Paul is talking about “” what was against us “” was the “” CURSE OR DEATH PENALITY “” of the law is done away, not the law itself
David, I suggest that you go read THESE ARTICLES at
http://www.leavingbabylon.com/
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