Was Darwin and intellectual leech?

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    Quote (JustAskin @ Oct. 05 2010,10:36)
    t8,
    It is clear to me that Stu is struggling with reality. The complete ignorance in his posts of any possibility of a higher form of entity is ensconched in the desire of Satan that mankind should be it's own God. Of course, if that were to happen, and thank 'the real God' that it will never happen, Satan would then emerge to take over, like the Senator in Star Wars, the Sith Lord.

    Stu has never answered the very simple question i put to him, 'Why'?

    He thinks it doesn't exist. His childish mind hasn't reached that level of thought yet so it is still beyond his comprehension that such a question should, and needs to be, asked, Just Asked.

    Actually, Stu does believe in God but he wants to 'prove' God doesn't exist so you can see from his posts he makes no attempt to answer anything of credible value with anythingof worthwhile value to hide his shame in trying to deny what he so obviously knows is true, the Truth.

    With Stu as Prime Minister, or President, of the world, 'the Satan God' if this system of things, the world is doomed even more than it already is in ''the real Satan's'' hands.

    We would all be eating 'Silicon Chips' and drinking Meltwater from a global ice age glacier, followed by primordial chicken soup and Geezer boiled Dynasaur eggs with a volcanic ash cloud pepper topping, ummmm…

    As a last, why do the likes of Stu presume that any life form of alien species will be 'less' intelligent than ourselves…fear, fear that they might not be,…zenaphobia?

    The aliens on Mars are clever and have wisely hidden themselves from all exploratory views.

    The rest of the aliens in the universe have gone even further, literally, and placed themselves billions of lightyears away.

    The recently discovered 'definitely can sustain life' planet is so far away it transcend in distance the lifetime of the whole of planet earth, and i don't mean 7 days.

    P.s. GOD took six [God] days to create the Earth. He 'rested' on the seventh. Posters, scripturalist, everyone out there please get it right….!


    Your right JA. He is not advanced enough to discuss such things.
    However, I still find him useful in that he makes a good sounding board.

    He asks sceptical questions that man harbours in his head and we can give the answers. Sometimes the answers on their own are not interesting enough to read for people.

    It is common knowledge that hecklers are useful in that they get the audience.

    So I guess I should say a small thanks to Stu for asking these sceptical questions. It matters not that he is not worthy of discussions at this level. Sure it would be better for him to open his eyes, but he refuses to do that, yet even in that blind state he is useful.

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    Quote (Ed J @ Oct. 05 2010,15:17)

    Quote (t8 @ Oct. 05 2010,15:06)

    Quote (Stu @ Oct. 04 2010,21:04)
    Quantum computers will be based on the quantum state of electrons that are attached to atoms, not pairs of particles.


    Think of it like this.

    Binary uses static 0s and 1s which are the replacement for the transistor. They represent classical physics where an object is either in a position or it is not. On, off. Yes, No. Having 2 states allows for quick computation but there are limits. Above the binary stack are other codes such as ASCII which group binary sequences and put it into a meaningful and shortened form such as letters and numbers. ASCII for example represents the keys you see on the keyboard and hence a person can then use ASCII characters to write in an ASCII language where an interpreter is present which then give commands to a program using the interpreter and are displayed in a program. If you view a web page for example, the ASCII code is being interpreted by HTML and JavaScript interpreters which output their commands into a browser. The underlying ASCII languages and really just binary instructions for the computer chip. So think of binary as being at the bottom of the stack and other languages sitting on top and interpreters and programs for executing commands. So I could command a program that might be say a 3D world like Second Life to light up when I say “Let there be light”. Of course my words are more than words, they are executing commands down the stack.

    Quantum computers on the other-hand will use qubits, which are multi-tasking bits that can represent both zero and one simultaneously so they use the same logic of atoms and molecules. Qubits can work out all possible answers by arranging its qubits into all workable arrangements of zeros and ones and  can also be in a superposition of both. This cuts the number of computations needed and you then simply measure the qubits to extract the answers. These computers have the potential to perform certain calculations billions of times faster than any binary based computer because they observe the state of quantum bits as opposed to binary bits.

    Upon understanding how we can create using this logic in cyberspace (digital space), it is not a stretch to understand that God can indeed create by speaking commands into the space that he works with.


    Hi T8,

    Are you saying that these “Qubits” can represent both
    on and off at the same time, instead of how binary works?
    Binary can only have either on or off, not both simultaneously.

    Ed J
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org


    Yes. A Qubit can represent all possible states at the same time.

    It will be easier and more elegant for me to copy these definitions from Wikipedia.

    Bit
    A bit is the basic unit of computer information. Regardless of its physical realization, a bit is always understood to be either a 0 or a 1. An analogy to this is a light switch— with the off position representing 0 and the on position representing 1.

    Qubit
    A qubit has some similarities to a classical bit, but is overall very different. Like a bit, a qubit can have two possible values—normally a 0 or a 1. The difference is that whereas a bit must be either 0 or 1, a qubit can be 0, 1, or a superposition of both.

    Superposition
    Quantum superposition refers to the quantum mechanical property of a particle to occupy all of its possible quantum states simultaneously. Due to this property, to completely describe a particle one must include a description of every possible state and the probability of the particle being in that state

    #218779
    Ed J
    Participant

    Quote (t8 @ Oct. 05 2010,15:34)

    Quote (Ed J @ Oct. 05 2010,15:17)

    Quote (t8 @ Oct. 05 2010,15:06)

    Quote (Stu @ Oct. 04 2010,21:04)
    Quantum computers will be based on the quantum state of electrons that are attached to atoms, not pairs of particles.


    Think of it like this.

    Binary uses static 0s and 1s which are the replacement for the transistor. They represent classical physics where an object is either in a position or it is not. On, off. Yes, No. Having 2 states allows for quick computation but there are limits. Above the binary stack are other codes such as ASCII which group binary sequences and put it into a meaningful and shortened form such as letters and numbers. ASCII for example represents the keys you see on the keyboard and hence a person can then use ASCII characters to write in an ASCII language where an interpreter is present which then give commands to a program using the interpreter and are displayed in a program. If you view a web page for example, the ASCII code is being interpreted by HTML and JavaScript interpreters which output their commands into a browser. The underlying ASCII languages and really just binary instructions for the computer chip. So think of binary as being at the bottom of the stack and other languages sitting on top and interpreters and programs for executing commands. So I could command a program that might be say a 3D world like Second Life to light up when I say “Let there be light”. Of course my words are more than words, they are executing commands down the stack.

    Quantum computers on the other-hand will use qubits, which are multi-tasking bits that can represent both zero and one simultaneously so they use the same logic of atoms and molecules. Qubits can work out all possible answers by arranging its qubits into all workable arrangements of zeros and ones and  can also be in a superposition of both. This cuts the number of computations needed and you then simply measure the qubits to extract the answers. These computers have the potential to perform certain calculations billions of times faster than any binary based computer because they observe the state of quantum bits as opposed to binary bits.

    Upon understanding how we can create using this logic in cyberspace (digital space), it is not a stretch to understand that God can indeed create by speaking commands into the space that he works with.


    Hi T8,

    Are you saying that these “Qubits” can represent both
    on and off at the same time, instead of how binary works?
    Binary can only have either on or off, not both simultaneously.

    Ed J
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org


    Yes. A Qubit can represent all possible states at the same time.

    It will be easier and more elegant for me to copy these definitions from Wikipedia.

    Bit
    A bit is the basic unit of computer information. Regardless of its physical realization, a bit is always understood to be either a 0 or a 1. An analogy to this is a light switch— with the off position representing 0 and the on position representing 1.

    Qubit
    A qubit has some similarities to a classical bit, but is overall very different. Like a bit, a qubit can have two possible values—normally a 0 or a 1. The difference is that whereas a bit must be either 0 or 1, a qubit can be 0, 1, or a superposition of both.

    Superposition
    Quantum superposition refers to the quantum mechanical property of a particle to occupy all of its possible quantum states simultaneously. Due to this property, to completely describe a particle one must include a description of every possible state and the probability of the particle being in that state


    Hi T8,

    Sounds like a third dimension in computerized thinking,
    quite a leap in conventional computer computations to say the least!

    Thanks for the info!

    God bless
    Ed J
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

    #218781
    Ed J
    Participant

    Quote (t8 @ Oct. 05 2010,15:27)

    Quote (JustAskin @ Oct. 05 2010,10:36)
    t8,
    It is clear to me that Stu is struggling with reality. The complete ignorance in his posts of any possibility of a higher form of entity is ensconched in the desire of Satan that mankind should be it's own God. Of course, if that were to happen, and thank 'the real God' that it will never happen, Satan would then emerge to take over, like the Senator in Star Wars, the Sith Lord.

    Stu has never answered the very simple question i put to him, 'Why'?

    He thinks it doesn't exist. His childish mind hasn't reached that level of thought yet so it is still beyond his comprehension that such a question should, and needs to be, asked, Just Asked.

    Actually, Stu does believe in God but he wants to 'prove' God doesn't exist so you can see from his posts he makes no attempt to answer anything of credible value with anythingof worthwhile value to hide his shame in trying to deny what he so obviously knows is true, the Truth.

    With Stu as Prime Minister, or President, of the world, 'the Satan God' if this system of things, the world is doomed even more than it already is in ''the real Satan's'' hands.

    We would all be eating 'Silicon Chips' and drinking Meltwater from a global ice age glacier, followed by primordial chicken soup and Geezer boiled Dynasaur eggs with a volcanic ash cloud pepper topping, ummmm…

    As a last, why do the likes of Stu presume that any life form of alien species will be 'less' intelligent than ourselves…fear, fear that they might not be,…zenaphobia?

    The aliens on Mars are clever and have wisely hidden themselves from all exploratory views.

    The rest of the aliens in the universe have gone even further, literally, and placed themselves billions of lightyears away.

    The recently discovered 'definitely can sustain life' planet is so far away it transcend in distance the lifetime of the whole of planet earth, and i don't mean 7 days.

    P.s. GOD took six [God] days to create the Earth. He 'rested' on the seventh. Posters, scripturalist, everyone out there please get it right….!


    Your right JA. He is not advanced enough to discuss such things.
    However, I still find him useful in that he makes a good sounding board.

    He asks sceptical questions that man harbours in his head and we can give the answers. Sometimes the answers on their own are not interesting enough to read for people.

    It is common knowledge that hecklers are useful in that they get the audience.

    So I guess I should say a small thanks to Stu for asking these sceptical questions. It matters not that he is not worthy of discussions at this level. Sure it would be better for him to open his eyes, but he refuses to do that, yet even in that blind state he is useful.


    HI T8,

    Truly you have greater insight than most!

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

    #218839
    Stu
    Participant

    Quote (JustAskin @ Oct. 05 2010,10:36)
    t8,
    It is clear to me that Stu is struggling with reality. The complete ignorance in his posts of any possibility of a higher form of entity is ensconched in the desire of Satan that mankind should be it's own God. Of course, if that were to happen, and thank 'the real God' that it will never happen, Satan would then emerge to take over, like the Senator in Star Wars, the Sith Lord.

    Stu has never answered the very simple question i put to him, 'Why'?

    He thinks it doesn't exist. His childish mind hasn't reached that level of thought yet so it is still beyond his comprehension that such a question should, and needs to be, asked, Just Asked.

    Actually, Stu does believe in God but he wants to 'prove' God doesn't exist so you can see from his posts he makes no attempt to answer anything of credible value with anythingof worthwhile value to hide his shame in trying to deny what he so obviously knows is true, the Truth.

    With Stu as Prime Minister, or President, of the world, 'the Satan God' if this system of things, the world is doomed even more than it already is in ''the real Satan's'' hands.

    We would all be eating 'Silicon Chips' and drinking Meltwater from a global ice age glacier, followed by primordial chicken soup and Geezer boiled Dynasaur eggs with a volcanic ash cloud pepper topping, ummmm…

    As a last, why do the likes of Stu presume that any life form of alien species will be 'less' intelligent than ourselves…fear, fear that they might not be,…zenaphobia?

    The aliens on Mars are clever and have wisely hidden themselves from all exploratory views.

    The rest of the aliens in the universe have gone even further, literally, and placed themselves billions of lightyears away.

    The recently discovered 'definitely can sustain life' planet is so far away it transcend in distance the lifetime of the whole of planet earth, and i don't mean 7 days.

    P.s. GOD took six [God] days to create the Earth. He 'rested' on the seventh. Posters, scripturalist, everyone out there please get it right….!


    I thought you only drank in the weekends, JustAskin.

    Stuart

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    Stu
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    Quote (Ed J @ Oct. 05 2010,13:35)
    Stuart see's his own reflection in others because he himself is a liar


    Not particularly interested in ever conversing with you again Ed, until you either learn some manners or learn something about theory of knowledge.

    Get back to me when you have gained either.

    Stuart

    #218842
    Stu
    Participant

    Quote (t8 @ Oct. 05 2010,15:13)

    Quote (Stu @ Oct. 04 2010,21:04)
    Quantum computers will be based on the quantum state of electrons that are attached to atoms, not pairs of particles.


    Think of it like this.

    Binary uses static 0s and 1s which are the replacement for the transistor. They represent classical physics where an object is either in a position or it is not. On, off. Yes, No.

    Having 2 states allows for quick computation but there are limits. Above the binary stack are other codes such as ASCII which group binary sequences and put it into a meaningful and shortened form such as letters and numbers that make up human languages. ASCII for example represent the keys you see on the keyboard and hence a person can then use ASCII characters to write in an ASCII language where an interpreter is present which then give commands to a program using the interpreter and are displayed within the program. If you view a web page for example, the ASCII code is being interpreted by HTML and JavaScript interpreters which output their commands into the browser. The underlying ASCII languages are really just binary instructions for the computer chip and hence why we have to reprogram for different chip architectures. So think of the machine and the intelligence being binary which is the bottom of the stack, while other languages sit on top and interpreters execute commands for programs. So I could for example command a program that might be say a 3D world like Second Life to light up when I say “Let there be light”. Of course my words are more than words, they are executing commands down the stack.

    Quantum computers on the other-hand will use qubits, which are multi-tasking bits that can represent both zero and one simultaneously so they use the same logic of atoms and molecules. Qubits can work out all possible answers by arranging its qubits into all workable arrangements of zeros and ones and that includes a superposition of both. This cuts the number of computations needed and you then simply measure the qubits to extract the answers. These computers have the potential to perform certain calculations billions of times faster than any binary based computer because they observe the state of quantum bits as opposed to binary bits.

    Upon understanding how we can create using this logic in cyberspace (digital space), it is not a stretch to understand that God can indeed create by speaking commands into the space that he works with. And the fact that we have done on our scale what God has done on his scale shows that we are indeed made in his image. We are like him.


    I was with you right up to the word god.

    What god?

    Stuart

    #218843
    Stu
    Participant

    Quote (t8 @ Oct. 05 2010,15:27)

    Quote (JustAskin @ Oct. 05 2010,10:36)
    t8,
    It is clear to me that Stu is struggling with reality. The complete ignorance in his posts of any possibility of a higher form of entity is ensconched in the desire of Satan that mankind should be it's own God. Of course, if that were to happen, and thank 'the real God' that it will never happen, Satan would then emerge to take over, like the Senator in Star Wars, the Sith Lord.

    Stu has never answered the very simple question i put to him, 'Why'?

    He thinks it doesn't exist. His childish mind hasn't reached that level of thought yet so it is still beyond his comprehension that such a question should, and needs to be, asked, Just Asked.

    Actually, Stu does believe in God but he wants to 'prove' God doesn't exist so you can see from his posts he makes no attempt to answer anything of credible value with anythingof worthwhile value to hide his shame in trying to deny what he so obviously knows is true, the Truth.

    With Stu as Prime Minister, or President, of the world, 'the Satan God' if this system of things, the world is doomed even more than it already is in ''the real Satan's'' hands.

    We would all be eating 'Silicon Chips' and drinking Meltwater from a global ice age glacier, followed by primordial chicken soup and Geezer boiled Dynasaur eggs with a volcanic ash cloud pepper topping, ummmm…

    As a last, why do the likes of Stu presume that any life form of alien species will be 'less' intelligent than ourselves…fear, fear that they might not be,…zenaphobia?

    The aliens on Mars are clever and have wisely hidden themselves from all exploratory views.

    The rest of the aliens in the universe have gone even further, literally, and placed themselves billions of lightyears away.

    The recently discovered 'definitely can sustain life' planet is so far away it transcend in distance the lifetime of the whole of planet earth, and i don't mean 7 days.

    P.s. GOD took six [God] days to create the Earth. He 'rested' on the seventh. Posters, scripturalist, everyone out there please get it right….!


    Your right JA. He is not advanced enough to discuss such things.
    However, I still find him useful in that he makes a good sounding board.

    He asks sceptical questions that man harbours in his head and we can give the answers. Sometimes the answers on their own are not interesting enough to read for people.

    It is common knowledge that hecklers are useful in that they get the audience.

    So I guess I should say a small thanks to Stu for asking these sceptical questions. It matters not that he is not worthy of discussions at this level. Sure it would be better for him to open his eyes, but he refuses to do that, yet even in that blind state he is useful.


    This is an uncharacteristically patronising tone you are adopting t8. JustAskin does not bring out the best in you!

    Stuart

    #218844
    Ed J
    Participant

    Quote (Ed J @ Oct. 05 2010,13:35)

    Quote (Stu @ Oct. 04 2010,21:04)

    either the bible is right and the universe is not expanding, or the bible is wrong.  …

    Stuart


    HI Stuart,

    What are you mental or something?
    I have already explained to you: The Bible
    tells that the universe is continually expanding!

    Quote (Ed J @ Sep. 28 2010,08:26)
    Hi Stuart,

    Astronomy: The Earth is round and that the Universe is ever expanding

    Isaiah 40:22 …the circle of the earth, and …that stretcheth out
    the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in:
    Job 26:7 He …hangeth the earth upon nothing. (Gravitational forces hold it's position)

    stretch: to extend in length, to extend or expand, to enlarge,
    to become extended in length or breadth or both,
    to extend over a continuous period.

    Heavens: the expanse of space, celestial.

    spread: to open or expand over a large area, to stretch out: extend,
    to distribute over an area, to become dispersed, the act or process of spreading.

    eth: suffix -used to form the archaic third person singular present in verbs <doeth>


    Hi Stuart,

    No comment on the rest of this Post?
    You seem to ignore a lot of FACTS about God; NO?

    Ed J
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

    #218878
    JustAskin
    Participant

    Hey, did anyone see Stu attempted to make a joke saying that he though JA only drank at the weekend.

    That must be very droll in his neck of the woods, eh?

    Stu, no, i drink at the Strong end….ha ha ha…

    #218905
    Stu
    Participant

    Quote (JustAskin @ Oct. 06 2010,06:35)
    Hey, did anyone see Stu attempted to make a joke saying that he though JA only drank at the weekend.

    That must be very droll in his neck of the woods, eh?

    Stu, no, i drink at the Strong end….ha ha ha…


    You don't remember the two times before I suggested you had been drinking??

    Stuart

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