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Quote (t8 @ Mar. 05 2010,09:31) Maybe suborn, hopefully not thick, although thick-skinned perhaps. Natural selection and Evolution are called by two different names for a reason.
The fact of evolution, as explained by the theory of natural selection.That is fact as in something so well established that it would be perverse to deny it: evolution as well and truly established by the fossil record and the principle that life begets life;
and the theory of natural selection as in the best explanation that science can provide, and actually the only thing anyone has that could be called an explanation for the facts encased in the fossils.
Stuart
Quote (Stu @ Mar. 05 2010,15:36) Quote (t8 @ Mar. 05 2010,09:31) Maybe suborn, hopefully not thick, although thick-skinned perhaps. Natural selection and Evolution are called by two different names for a reason.
The fact of evolution, as explained by the theory of natural selection.That is fact as in something so well established that it would be perverse to deny it: evolution as well and truly established by the fossil record and the principle that life begets life;
and the theory of natural selection as in the best explanation that science can provide, and actually the only thing anyone has that could be called an explanation for the facts encased in the fossils.
Stuart
Hi Stuart,Natural selection is one thing, but morphing into something else is a BIG FAT LIE!
Ed J
Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 05 2010,16:04) Quote (Stu @ Mar. 05 2010,15:36) Quote (t8 @ Mar. 05 2010,09:31) Maybe suborn, hopefully not thick, although thick-skinned perhaps. Natural selection and Evolution are called by two different names for a reason.
The fact of evolution, as explained by the theory of natural selection.That is fact as in something so well established that it would be perverse to deny it: evolution as well and truly established by the fossil record and the principle that life begets life;
and the theory of natural selection as in the best explanation that science can provide, and actually the only thing anyone has that could be called an explanation for the facts encased in the fossils.
Stuart
Hi Stuart,Natural selection is one thing, but morphing into something else is a BIG FAT LIE!
Ed J
I agree. There is no morphing involved.Why did you suggest it?
Stuart
Quote (Stu @ Mar. 05 2010,20:29) Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 05 2010,16:04)
Hi Stuart,Natural selection is one thing, but morphing into something else is a BIG FAT LIE!
Ed J
I agree. There is no morphing involved.Why did you suggest it?
Stuart
Hi Stuart,That is what Darwin's FALSE 'theory of evolution' implies.
I'm glad you agree it is false!God bless
Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Ed J @ Mar. 06 2010,06:09) Quote (Stu @ Mar. 05 2010,20:29) Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 05 2010,16:04)
Hi Stuart,Natural selection is one thing, but morphing into something else is a BIG FAT LIE!
Ed J
I agree. There is no morphing involved.Why did you suggest it?
Stuart
Hi Stuart,That is what Darwin's FALSE 'theory of evolution' implies.
I'm glad you agree it is false!God bless
Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Not what I wrote Ed. Are you not afraid of the lake of fire for breaking the commandment about false witness? Oh I forgot, the OT rules don't apply to christians, do they.Stuart
Characteristics and traits are the result of what is allowable in the DNA gene pool of each species. Each gene pool has a wide variety of possibilities in order to help the species survive (preserve the species). Species that are nearly extinct, are susceptible because their gene pool is small, so they have a less chance of their species being preserved. Pretty basic stuff I know. But some people need to hear basic stuff as they seem to be diverging away from the obvious.
Also, cats do not become dogs unless DNA in cats allows that. So far, this hasn't been observed. But let's say it happened before our very eyes. One day a cat gave birth to a dog after many successions of cats that looked a bit like dogs. In that scenario, it doesn't negate God, why should it? Someone still had to write the code so to speak. The logic didn't make itself. It just shows that God has allowed this possibility. We have yet to observe this however. What we currently have is a pile of bones and the imaginations of men to say that this was the great grandfather of that, etc.
The universe and life is clearly of an intelligent mind beyond anything we can fully comprehend.
Quote (Stu @ Mar. 06 2010,07:16) Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 06 2010,06:09) Quote (Stu @ Mar. 05 2010,20:29) Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 05 2010,16:04)
Hi Stuart,Natural selection is one thing, but morphing into something else is a BIG FAT LIE!
Ed J
I agree. There is no morphing involved.Why did you suggest it?
Stuart
Hi Stuart,That is what Darwin's FALSE 'theory of evolution' implies.
I'm glad you agree it is false!God bless
Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Not what I wrote Ed. Are you not afraid of the lake of fire for breaking the commandment about false witness? Oh I forgot, the OT rules don't apply to christians, do they.Stuart
Hi Stuart,Lies don't supersede “Truth”!
The 'theory of evolution' is bearing false witness.
Why do you fall for such petty lies?Ed J
Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 06 2010,10:37) Quote (Stu @ Mar. 06 2010,07:16) Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 06 2010,06:09) Quote (Stu @ Mar. 05 2010,20:29) Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 05 2010,16:04)
Hi Stuart,Natural selection is one thing, but morphing into something else is a BIG FAT LIE!
Ed J
I agree. There is no morphing involved.Why did you suggest it?
Stuart
Hi Stuart,That is what Darwin's FALSE 'theory of evolution' implies.
I'm glad you agree it is false!God bless
Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Not what I wrote Ed. Are you not afraid of the lake of fire for breaking the commandment about false witness? Oh I forgot, the OT rules don't apply to christians, do they.Stuart
Hi Stuart,Lies don't supersede “Truth”!
The 'theory of evolution' is bearing false witness.
Why do you fall for such petty lies?Ed J
You are uncommonly tedious Ed. When you have a disproof of evolution by natural selection, get back to us.Meantime all those scientists who use this central principle of biology in their everyday work, which may for example be developing new antibiotics to save you from infection, will carry on as usual, undaunted by your unsupported rants on the subject.
Stuart
t8
Quote Characteristics and traits are the result of what is allowable in the DNA gene pool of each species. Each gene pool has a wide variety of possibilities in order to help the species survive (preserve the species). Species that are nearly extinct, are susceptible because their gene pool is small, so they have a less chance of their species being preserved. Pretty basic stuff I know. But some people need to hear basic stuff as they seem to be diverging away from the obvious. Also, cats do not become dogs unless DNA in cats allows that. So far, this hasn't been observed. But let's say it happened before our very eyes. One day a cat gave birth to a dog after many successions of cats that looked a bit like dogs. In that scenario, it doesn't negate God, why should it? Someone still had to write the code so to speak. The logic didn't make itself. It just shows that God has allowed this possibility. We have yet to observe this however. What we currently have is a pile of bones and the imaginations of men to say that this was the great grandfather of that, etc.
The universe and life is clearly of an intelligent mind beyond anything we can fully comprehend.
Translation: If I, t8, can make all this seem too mysterious to bother trying to understand, then I will appear more convincing when I claim that goddidit.I wouldn’t be too proud about trumpeting converts from amongst the gullible, t8. Get a professor of biology or two to agree with you and you might be more convincing for the non-gullible. Good luck with that.
Just for the record, your first sentence has no biological meaning whatever. The first sentence of your second paragraph means nothing in any discipline. If a cat has the genome of a dog, then it is a dog, not a cat.
You still seem to be denying that life begets life. Why won’t you address that issue? I suppose because it refutes most of what you claim. Shame you don’t believe your own scripture on that point.
Stuart
Quote (Stu @ Mar. 06 2010,21:48) Translation: If I, t8, can make all this seem too mysterious to bother trying to understand, then I will appear more convincing when I claim that goddidit.
Not sure what you mean, but traits are coded genetic information. Whatever the coder has allowed in the code is what is possible with each species.Code like design is not a type of magic. You know, a thing that comes from nothing like a rabbit out of a hat. Code is coded and design is designed. Basic stuff, but I feel that you need to hear it again as there seems to be a block in your understanding. The block could be a belief system a learned habit, or something along those lines. You might have a good idea what.
Quote (Stu @ Mar. 06 2010,21:48) You still seem to be denying that life begets life. Why won’t you address that issue? I suppose because it refutes most of what you claim. Shame you don’t believe your own scripture on that point.
Sorry Stu, I usually only read one point in your posts as it would take too much time to answer all your questions properly.So your point is new to me. I don't even know what you mean by it.
t8
Quote traits are coded genetic information.
No they are not. The code is not the trait. This is a particularly important distinction when you come to consider sexual recombination, the evolutionary reason for sexual reproduction.Quote Whatever the coder has allowed in the code is what is possible with each species.
What coder?Quote Code like design is not a type of magic.
What does that mean?Quote You know, a thing that comes from nothing like a rabbit out of a hat.
You mean like creationism?Quote Code is coded and design is designed. Basic stuff, but I feel that you need to hear it again as there seems to be a block in your understanding. The block could be a belief system a learned habit, or something along those lines. You might have a good idea what.
Where is the problem? Anyone would agree that coding is coded and design is designed.Stu: You still seem to be denying that life begets life. Why won’t you address that issue? I suppose because it refutes most of what you claim. Shame you don’t believe your own scripture on that point.
Quote Sorry Stu, I usually only read one point in your posts as it would take too much time to answer all your questions properly. So your point is new to me. I don't even know what you mean by it.
Is there any point me explaining it to you for a third time?The fossil record explicitly and undeniably shows that old species have gone extinct and new species have arisen frequently and regularly since the first appearance of life on earth. How do you propose those new species came about? You deny common ancestry and descent with modification, so how did those new types of plants and animals appear on earth?
Stuart
1) Biological traits involve genes. A gene is an instruction written in the language of DNA code. It has four chemical letters (bases): A, C, T and G. The genetic code which is encoded information, is translated into proteins by living cells.
If there was no code Stu, then we wouldn't be able to read it or break it. We wouldn't be able to know its instructions. Code whether it is biological, synthetic, or cyber, can be read or interpreted by reason of it being a code in the first place.
2) Code like design is not a type of magic. This simply means that whatever happens, is determined in the code. We don't have the luxury of saying that this animal came from that one because it looks the same or has much code in common. No, you need to show the code that can execute the actual change in order to show that this is possible. Like a cyber virus, you can encode it to mutate so as to deter detection. But you cannot say that the virus can do that for sure, unless you actually see it mutate before your eyes or read the code responsible for this possibility. So as you can see Stu, we shouldn't rely on magic and imagination, but look at the evidence.
3) What coder?
Well in the case of the mutating cyber virus, it is normally some teenager (or twenty something) person who is slightly over weight and sits on his computer all day next to empty pizza boxes representing his past meals.In the case of DNA, the universe and everything, well that is the next level of questions for which you are clearly not ready to discuss. You haven't graduated yet.
t8
Quote 2) Code like design is not a type of magic.
I never thought I would see you reach this point of rejection of creationism.Quote This simply means that whatever happens, is determined in the code. We don't have the luxury of saying that this animal came from that one because it looks the same or has much code in common. No, you need to show the code that can execute the actual change in order to show that this is possible.
No, all you have to do is believe in the bible. Life begets life. According to Genesis the creation was over after six days. There is no new creation of species, so where did all the new species in the fossil record come from? Descent with modification is the only explanation any devout christian could possibly have. Yet some of them deny their scripture. That will have been a brave move when it comes to judgment day, don’t you think t8?Quote But you cannot say that the virus can do that for sure, unless you actually see it mutate before your eyes or read the code responsible for this possibility. So as you can see Stu, we shouldn't rely on magic and imagination, but look at the evidence.
So when the flu virus mutates before our eyes every year, how do you explain that evidence?Quote 3) What coder?
Well in the case of the mutating cyber virus, it is normally some teenager (or twenty something) person who is slightly over weight and sits on his computer all day next to empty pizza boxes representing his past meals. In the case of DNA, the universe and everything, well that is the next level of questions for which you are clearly not ready to discuss. You haven't graduated yet.
I can see a big fat god with goggly eyes surrounded by Dominoes boxes encrusted with old melted cheese. Is that the picture you hoped to conjure t8?Judgment day is looking even less flash for you now!
Stuart
Quote (Stu @ Mar. 07 2010,20:17) I can see a big fat god with goggly eyes surrounded by Dominoes boxes encrusted with old melted cheese. Is that the picture you hoped to conjure t8?
If that is what you think I was trying to do, then you were wrong again Stu. Graduation just slipped back further.Quote (Stu @ Mar. 07 2010,20:17) So when the flu virus mutates before our eyes every year, how do you explain that evidence?
Your not listening Stu. It is still a virus. The changes are preserving it rather than making it a giraffe.Quote (Stu @ Mar. 07 2010,20:17) No, all you have to do is believe in the bible. Life begets life. According to Genesis the creation was over after six days. There is no new creation of species, so where did all the new species in the fossil record come from? Descent with modification is the only explanation any devout christian could possibly have. Yet some of them deny their scripture. That will have been a brave move when it comes to judgment day, don’t you think t8?
Your not reading it properly or delving deep enough. THe word day is a period of time or stage. A day on Mercury is different to a day on Mars or Earth. A day with God is different again. It could be a very long period of time.You are so Earth bound that you think the word 'day' must mean a day on Earth. Mind you, you are not the only one who's limited mind thinks that.
Quote (t8 @ Mar. 08 2010,16:27) Quote (Stu @ Mar. 07 2010,20:17) So when the flu virus mutates before our eyes every year, how do you explain that evidence?
Your not listening Stu. It is still a virus. The changes are preserving it rather than making it a giraffe.
Next you will be telling me that a giraffe is the same as its last non-giraffe ancestor because they were both ungulates.I take it you believe that bird flu and swine flu were both hoaxes.
Stuart
Quote (t8 @ Mar. 08 2010,16:30) Quote (Stu @ Mar. 07 2010,20:17) No, all you have to do is believe in the bible. Life begets life. According to Genesis the creation was over after six days. There is no new creation of species, so where did all the new species in the fossil record come from? Descent with modification is the only explanation any devout christian could possibly have. Yet some of them deny their scripture. That will have been a brave move when it comes to judgment day, don’t you think t8?
Your not reading it properly or delving deep enough. THe word day is a period of time or stage. A day on Mercury is different to a day on Mars or Earth. A day with God is different again. It could be a very long period of time.You are so Earth bound that you think the word 'day' must mean a day on Earth. Mind you, you are not the only one who's limited mind thinks that.
Firstly, Genesis is very clear: the creation is over in six days, and we unquestionably have been through the seventh day of rest, how ever long you think that lasted. The creation was over because Genesis has described the passing of the day AFTER the one it lists as the day of the completion of creation.As an aside, if the rest of the story of Genesis 1 were not so utterly absurd, I might just believe that plants could be created on one Earth day and survive as long as the next (or even a few days) before the creation of the sun that gives the plants light for photosynthesis. But now you are saying this time delay was a matter of years?
What a web we weave…
Stuart
Quote (Stu @ Mar. 08 2010,19:02) Quote (t8 @ Mar. 08 2010,16:27) Quote (Stu @ Mar. 07 2010,20:17) So when the flu virus mutates before our eyes every year, how do you explain that evidence?
Your not listening Stu. It is still a virus. The changes are preserving it rather than making it a giraffe.
Next you will be telling me that a giraffe is the same as its last non-giraffe ancestor because they were both ungulates.I take it you believe that bird flu and swine flu were both hoaxes.
Stuart
Hi Stuart,Why do you compare viruses to People?
Do you 'think' you evolved from a 'virus'?It's really sad you believe such nonsense!
Especially when I have PROOF that God exists!
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