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This is a writing that claims to detail more of the lives of Adam and Even from their being cast out of the garden of Eden to their deaths. The question I have is how do we test if it comes from God or not as we are commanded to test the spirit of what we hear.
Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 25 2009,05:42) hi kerwin
how can you ask a question like that are you lost??
I ask it because it is an important question to ask of any writing since you should always examine to make sure the doctrine you adhere to is in accordance with the sound teachings of Jesus.I also ask because I am but one man and hearing another point of view may illuminate items I myself am unaware of.
I do have my opinion about what I have read of so far but choose not to voice it yet so I do not influence that of others.
Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 25 2009,10:39) This is a writing that claims to detail more of the lives of Adam and Even from their being cast out of the garden of Eden to their deaths. The question I have is how do we test if it comes from God or not as we are commanded to test the spirit of what we hear.
No brother this is not from our God. It contradicts what the bible states.Love in Christ,
Martyhi 94
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This is a writing that claims to detail more of the lives of Adam and Even from their being cast out of the garden of Eden to their deaths. The question I have is how do we test if it comes from God or not as we are commanded to test the spirit of what we hear.No brother this is not from our God. It contradicts what the bible states.
Love in Christ,
Martysorry but i don't understand what you mean
Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 26 2009,07:02) hi 94
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This is a writing that claims to detail more of the lives of Adam and Even from their being cast out of the garden of Eden to their deaths. The question I have is how do we test if it comes from God or not as we are commanded to test the spirit of what we hear.No brother this is not from our God. It contradicts what the bible states.
Love in Christ,
Martysorry but i don't understand what you mean
Hi T:For one thing, and there may be other contradictions, God would not tell any angel to worship His image.
Quote 1 The devil replied, 'Adam, what dost thou tell me? It is for thy sake that I have been hurled 2 from that place. When thou wast formed. I was hurled out of the presence of God and banished from the company of the angels. When God blew into thee the breath of life and thy face and likeness was made in the image of God, Michael also brought thee and made (us) worship thee in the sight of God; and God the Lord spake: Here is Adam. I have made thee in our image and likeness.'
xiv 1 And Michael went out and called all the angels saying:
'Worship the image of God as the Lord God hath commanded.'
And Michael himself worshipped first; then he called me and said: 'Worship the image of God
3 the Lord.' And I answered, 'I have no (need) to worship Adam.' And since Michael kept urging me to worship, I said to him, 'Why dost thou urge me? I will not worship an inferior and younger being (than I). I am his senior in the Creation, before he was made was I already made. It is his duty to worship me.'
xv 1,2 When the angels, who were under me, heard this, they refused to worship him. And Michael saith, 'Worship the image of God, but if thou wilt not worship him, the Lord God will be wrath
3 with thee.' And I said, 'If He be wrath with me, I will set my seat above the stars of heaven and will be like the Highest.'
xvi 1 And God the Lord was wrath with me and banished me and my angels from our glory; and on
Love in Christ,
MartyQuote (terraricca @ Dec. 26 2009,07:02) hi 94
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This is a writing that claims to detail more of the lives of Adam and Even from their being cast out of the garden of Eden to their deaths. The question I have is how do we test if it comes from God or not as we are commanded to test the spirit of what we hear.No brother this is not from our God. It contradicts what the bible states.
Love in Christ,
Martysorry but i don't understand what you mean
He means the Article about Adam and Eve. I have no opinion it is not out of the Bible, so why should we even bother with it. I read most of it. And since it is not out of the Bible, why should we take it into consideration, I wouldn't. It's not of God. Prove all things in the Bible.
Peace and Love Irenehi kerwin
if you got confused maybe you should stay in with the scriptures who s only spells out the will of God.Quote (942767 @ Dec. 26 2009,00:19) Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 25 2009,10:39) This is a writing that claims to detail more of the lives of Adam and Even from their being cast out of the garden of Eden to their deaths. The question I have is how do we test if it comes from God or not as we are commanded to test the spirit of what we hear.
No brother this is not from our God. It contradicts what the bible states.Love in Christ,
Marty
Can you please tell me in which ways it contradicts what God teaches us? Thank you.Marty wrote:
Quote For one thing, and there may be other contradictions, God would not tell any angel to worship His image.
I saw that and considered the possibility of a translation error. We are told in scripture that many “worshiped” Jesus which is to say the “image of God”. The correct word would be “give homage”. I believe it may well be the command in question was just a Messianic prophecy.
I feel uncomfortable on whole with the way the characters speak but that may be due to translating from one language to another.
Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 26 2009,03:09) hi kerwin
if you got confused maybe you should stay in with the scriptures who s only spells out the will of God.
God works both in and out of scripture and you need to test all of what you hear and believe.The major question is whether the writing in question is consistent with the good news of the kingdom of God. You should also ask that question about the doctrine you believe and the doctrines you hear.
Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 27 2009,02:21) hi kerwin
what i read in the scriptures his my way ,out side are the wolfs
Really! That is certainly not what Jesus taught since that would make Jesus and his apostles wolves at one time. In the case of the Beareans they listened to what was outside of scripture and then tested it against what scripture stated. For that they were considered noble. Only a fool believes God speaks through Scripture alone.I do not believe you anyways since I am sure you have listened to other speak. I know you have your own doctrine since a discussion with you about it is why I found this particular document and decided to apply scripture to it. I do find it surprising that so many here seem to reject what scripture states. I am referring to the fact that it states to test the spirits. Instead they act fearful and run from everything.
Perhaps, the problem is you are not are not firm in the message of gospel and so fear your grasp on it can be easily corrupted. If that is the case then I can see why you run.
hi kerwin
i try to save you loth of time,but if you want to check things out go and do it ,i have been related to the scriptures for 50 years,spend a fortune on book ,that is bible books like dictionaries,ensyclopedias,commentaries,ect.i study with three different religion(christian)i am very well aware of Gods will to me i have no douthts in my mind.
i study many of the ancien phylosophies greek,Oriental,Asien,European,all this i find out hi a whaist of time but that is my view,
it is not your so do as you wish my friend.Terraricca,
I thought is was self evident but it is not really Vita Adae Et Evae I am interested in but rather learning more about apply this command to test the spirits which John writes his students.
1 John 4:1-6(NIV) reads:
Quote Dear friends, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world. This is how you can recognize the Spirit of God: Every spirit that acknowledges that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God, but every spirit that does not acknowledge Jesus is not from God. This is the spirit of the antichrist, which you have heard is coming and even now is already in the world. You, dear children, are from God and have overcome them, because the one who is in you is greater than the one who is in the world. They are from the world and therefore speak from the viewpoint of the world, and the world listens to them. We are from God, and whoever knows God listens to us; but whoever is not from God does not listen to us. This is how we recognize the Spirit of truth and the spirit of falsehood.
Marty had a good answer, though there is the flaw in his it, since he tested to see if the writing was in accordance with a sound doctrine.
Now even if a writing is in accords with a sound doctrine it still could be a work of fiction based on speculation about historic events. That may be the case with Vita Adae Et Evae which to me sounds rather Catholic as you speaks of penance instead of repentance. In fact I am undecided if such speech is in accord with a sound doctrine or not. Of course I man be blaming the author for the error of the translator who may have a bias that cause a corruption to creep into the work.
Still, If a work is in accords with the true doctrine there should still be a way to test it to see if it is fact or fiction. The best way I can come up with is if it is in some way collaborated by what we know is authentic.
Like you I have found all the older writing I have tested to be flawed up until this date.
hi kerwin
you know that John send is letter to Christians, it is also known that around the time he is written his letter many different ideas where available false letters ,gospels and so on,so in 1John 4-1-6 I believe john was making fellow brothers aware of not being fooled by those twisted so call christian writings,and be aware of the true doctrine given by the apostles,
to do so years ago i had the same question,and i decided to find out what it means ,so i came to the conclusion, that the bible will be the reference book and it status will be over all others this was and still is my rule.
so to establish the doctrines of the bible i should list them all to a piece of paper,this done brings me to now make all the research to back it up with scriptures.
this done i realize now i had come to understand God wills in the bigger picture all away from Genesis trough Revelation ,and now have understand the spirit of Christ,because the spirit of Christ is all the traveling trough out the times sins the beginning of man sin, in Eden.
because in the spirit of Christ,all the reasons,are included like the purpose of him,the when,the where,the times,the hows,and whys this is the true doctrine ,that will save your live, free us from sin and reconcile us with our creator God our Father.
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