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  • #223485
    PaulCohen
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    Quote (Stu @ Nov. 02 2010,17:27)
    Victor, through his muse Paul:

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    I readily admit there is certainly nothing special about me. Read http://www.thepathoftruth.com/testimonies/victor.htm and see for yourself. But when there, you will also see that something very special has happened for me, something quite rare, highly fortunate, which compels me to bring what I have to others.


    Please don’t feel compelled on our account.  

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    God has made Himself known to me in Jesus Christ/Yeshua HaMashiach. He does speak to me, I have heard His Voice many times, He answers me when I call on Him, and He will most certainly answer between Bod and me. All those in the sidelines and observing will see it (whether they understand what they see or not will be up to Jesus Christ).


    So your god talks but cannot communicate effectively.   However, you can hear this invisible god clearly while others think you mad for appearing to mumble to yourself and report the voices in your head.  Looks like you believe Jesus actually existed, too.  So do I, I give it about a 60% likelihood.

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    God has spoken many things by me and has given me and those with me many prophecies, visions, and dreams, most of which have come to pass, and the rest will follow in fulfillment in due time. These are things no human being can arrange and no intelligent, reasonable person can deny or refute.


    So you ARE special after all.  

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    We will be publishing my life story, What the Lord Has Done with Me, of how God has personally dealt with me, and there you will find living proofs of God, totally undeniable.


    I am sure the gullible and limited will find that fascinating, and you will find it lucrative.

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    Do I expect the bitter and cynical to believe them, though they are indisputable? Not at all! I have learned that people are bound to believe what they will and nothing but the grace of God will move them. I know I was that way; I know all human beings are that way, and that only God can and will change them.


    I am not that way.

    Stuart

    Stuart, Paul here. God speaks very effectively, both in word and deed. For example, Jesus prophesied that the Temple in Jerusalem would be torn down to the foundation as Jerusalem fell to a hostile nation. Didn’t God make good on His Word, “speaking” very effectively by the events of 70 AD? Yet did the Jews who lost their nation “hear” what was being said, knowing what happened there and why? No. Do we condemn them for being hard of hearing? Not in the least:

    “For I do not want you to be ignorant of this mystery, brothers, lest you should be wise within yourselves; that blindness in part has happened to Israel, until the fullness of the nations has come in” (Romans 11:25 MKJV).

    We know why this happened to them, and we tell them, because God will now reconcile them to Himself, dealing with the core issue that precipitated their judgment. The presence of the Jews in the land of Israel today is proof of His continuing work of redemption for them and for all of mankind. Read “The Key for Israel and the Jew”:

    http://thepathoftruth.com/teachings/israel/thekey.htm

    We have many personal examples of such occurrences of God’s judgment in our lives and the lives of others, which you can read for FREE when we begin to publish What the Lord has Done with Me in installments on our site.

    And what good does it do you to assume evil and accuse others without any basis, Stuart? Do you like others doing that to you? Don’t you think “do unto others” is a good idea? How about getting the facts and finding out the truth before condemning people about whom you know nothing? Isn’t that another good idea?

    What happened to make you so bitter and caustic? Are you telling us that you don’t believe what you choose to believe? Haven’t you already demonstrated this to be the case when you choose to believe evil of us, without any basis for doing so?

    The Lord Jesus Christ revealed Himself to me in 1978, whereas I had previously been an unbelieving fool like you, minus the bitterness (with no credit for that going to me). He is alive and ruling all things, Stuart, and reveals Himself to whomever He chooses, whenever He chooses, and your time will also come someday. At that time you will be thoroughly ashamed of your obnoxious treatment of your fellow man, and above, all, of your Creator.

    #223494
    bodhitharta
    Participant

    Quote (PaulCohen @ Nov. 07 2010,02:14)
    Bod wrote to us at our website (ThePathofTruth.com):

    What happened? You accepted the invitation to discuss your faulty positions and then simply vanished, you have spent so much time exposing others it is now your turn to be challenged.

    If you wish not to engage please remove your false information about Islam

    We reply:

    Bodhitharta,

    We accepted the invitation not to “discuss our faulty positions,” but to speak the truth, which we did. We soon confirmed the complaints of others on that forum that you cannot be reasoned with. Your truth is your truth and anything anyone else says means nothing to you. There is no arguing or discussing with you. You believe you are right, yet you are without reason. You are evasive, contradictory, and trust not in truth, but in tactics of debate and power to persuade.

    Furthermore, it was fully evident that you did not read the links we gave you that you might truly hear us out in what we have to say. Had you done so, you wouldn’t have asked the unlearned and repeated questions you did, which, in those links, are answered. That will never do for God, for us or for any reasonable person. However, if still willing, read this entire section:

    http://www.thepathoftruth.com/teachings/jesusisgod/index.htm

    Not that we expect you to understand, because it is written:

    1 Corinthians 2:12-16 MKJV
    (12)  But we have not received the spirit of the world, but the Spirit from God, so that we might know the things that are freely given to us by God.
    (13)  These things we also speak, not in words which man's wisdom teaches, but which the Holy Spirit teaches, comparing spiritual things with spiritual.
    (14)  But the natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
    (15)  But he who is spiritual judges all things, yet he himself is judged by no one.
    (16)  For who has known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct Him? But we have the mind of Christ.

    At one point, we wrote to you: “Those are things [truths] you aren’t aware of, Bod, because you have never met and spoken with Him [Jesus Christ]. You have never been born again. We have, and we know whereof we speak, being at the throne, at the Source, which all His sons are.

    You replied:

    Now, you can even know my relationship with God? Lol…Lol
    Let God judge that one and be a witness between me and you

    To which we replied:

    Amen, Bod. You said it there. Let’s get it on. All this other talk isn't going anywhere; you aren't listening. But now we will let God decide. He is the One in charge and will make known who is His, who isn’t, who speaks the truth, and who doesn’t, leaving no doubt for all onlookers. He will answer this request of yours, because He wholeheartedly concurs with it, as do we.

    We accepted your declaration to let God judge and be a witness between you and us. Like we said, all else was vain with you. Our words repeated: “All this other talk isn't going anywhere; you aren't listening.

    So why are we responding to you now? We respond to make the record very public and our stand crystal clear for all to witness: According to the words out of your own mouth, to which we agree, God will manifest His judgment as to whose God is the True God, yours, or ours.

    So we have absolute confidence by the gift of faith the Lord Jesus Christ has given us to let Him judge between you and us, even as you suggested, if not declared. Shall we not leave it at that and watch? Our God does not need our help. He is quite Sufficient for any task. What think you of yours?

    If your Allah is God Almighty, then may you prevail over us and may we be rebuked for our error, but if Jesus Christ is Almighty God and Lord of all, then may you be exposed in your darkness we say you are steeped in.

    As for your request of our removing the “false information about Islam,” you don’t specify what precisely we said that was false. However, we reply that Islam IS falsehood, entirely. If there is falsehood about falsehood it would be to say that Islam is truth, which it is not, and we didn’t say it. If we did say it, we would be liars like unto you, who prefer to believe and to speak lies. We give you our Lord’s reply He gave to the unbelieving Jews in His day, to people such as yourself:

    “Jesus answered, If I glorify Myself, My glory is nothing; it is My Father who glorifies Me, of whom you say that He is your God. Yet you have not known Him, but I know Him. And if I should say I do not know Him, I would be a liar like you. But I know Him and I keep His Word” (John 8:54-55 MKJV).

    Which now brings us to suggest to you that which you request of us, Bod: How about you removing your false information about God and Jesus Christ and true faith? God indeed gave His only begotten Son, the Son you, Muhammad, and all Muslims deny, for the salvation of the world, including yours:

    “For God so loved the world that He gave His only-begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life” (John 3:16 MKJV).

    We have that eternal life even now, with assurance we are His sons because we are born again, forgiven of all our sins, and seated with Him in the Heavens as, and from where, we speak. Islam, Muhammad and Allah can never do this for you or for anyone. Jesus Christ has done it for us. While we commune with Him daily, your Muhammad has not peeped a word. That is simply because Jesus Christ, being God, lives, while Muhammad, but a man, is dead.

    That you remove your falsehoods is a suggestion and not a request. We aren’t worried about your public lies. Our God can take care of Himself and soon you will see it, we assure you. But Muslims have this unfortunate, insecure, fear-born belief and disposition that drives them to think they must defend their god, a warring god, a ruthless god, a god that teaches only might to be right, and that only what is good for a Muslim is right.

    (Have you red Wafa Sultan’s book, A God Who Hates? She is remarkably incisive and accurate for one who doesn’t believe as we do – at least not that we are aware as yet. Good reading…an eye opener you may wish to pick up.)

    We see Muslims throughout the world, rioting in frenzied rage and madness, destroying and being destroyed. Our God is not this monster you have in your minds and hearts. Our God is much greater than that, believe me, and He will show you so, as I have said.

    Have we “simply vanished,” as though stumped or defeated? No, you are mistaken, Bod. We are here, neither hiding nor running, and we plan to post all our correspondence with you in its entirety on our site, Lord willing, even though you mistakenly, foolishly presume to have gotten the better of us.  We know otherwise and Jesus Christ our Lord, not we, will prove it to those whom He chooses to grace with truth, peace, and everlasting life. We have exposed others and we have exposed, and will expose, you, as well.

    So we have not wished to not engage, except that we have gladly determined to take you up on the words spoken out of your own mouth and have God judge between you and us. You haven’t too long to wait.

    Do you have faith in your god that you can leave the matter in his hands, according to your word, “Let God judge that one and be a witness between me and you,” as we do with our God, or will you see the necessity to take matters into your own hands, as multitudes of Islamists like you have murderously done countless times in your history to this very hour? Should you do so, here is a Word for you from Almighty God, Jesus Christ:

    “And if anyone will hurt them, fire proceeds out of their mouth and devours their enemies. And if anyone will hurt them, so it is right for him to be killed”
    (Revelation 11:5 MKJV).

    Better you should repent of breaking His Law and trusting in your own righteousness, which, to God, is as filthy menstrual rags. Better to repent, believe, and enjoy eternal life, His love.

    Express, though highly unworthy, servants of Jesus Christ, in His perfect, faithful care,

    Victor and Paul
    http://www.ThePathofTruth.com


    Paul,

    I already responded on the food for thought thread

    #223496
    bodhitharta
    Participant

    Quote (PaulCohen @ Nov. 07 2010,13:16)

    Quote (Stu @ Nov. 02 2010,17:27)
    Victor, through his muse Paul:

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    I readily admit there is certainly nothing special about me. Read http://www.thepathoftruth.com/testimonies/victor.htm and see for yourself. But when there, you will also see that something very special has happened for me, something quite rare, highly fortunate, which compels me to bring what I have to others.


    Please don’t feel compelled on our account.  

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    God has made Himself known to me in Jesus Christ/Yeshua HaMashiach. He does speak to me, I have heard His Voice many times, He answers me when I call on Him, and He will most certainly answer between Bod and me. All those in the sidelines and observing will see it (whether they understand what they see or not will be up to Jesus Christ).


    So your god talks but cannot communicate effectively.   However, you can hear this invisible god clearly while others think you mad for appearing to mumble to yourself and report the voices in your head.  Looks like you believe Jesus actually existed, too.  So do I, I give it about a 60% likelihood.

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    God has spoken many things by me and has given me and those with me many prophecies, visions, and dreams, most of which have come to pass, and the rest will follow in fulfillment in due time. These are things no human being can arrange and no intelligent, reasonable person can deny or refute.


    So you ARE special after all.  

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    We will be publishing my life story, What the Lord Has Done with Me, of how God has personally dealt with me, and there you will find living proofs of God, totally undeniable.


    I am sure the gullible and limited will find that fascinating, and you will find it lucrative.

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    Do I expect the bitter and cynical to believe them, though they are indisputable? Not at all! I have learned that people are bound to believe what they will and nothing but the grace of God will move them. I know I was that way; I know all human beings are that way, and that only God can and will change them.


    I am not that way.

    Stuart

    Stuart, Paul here. God speaks very effectively, both in word and deed. For example, Jesus prophesied that the Temple in Jerusalem would be torn down to the foundation as Jerusalem fell to a hostile nation. Didn’t God make good on His Word, “speaking” very effectively by the events of 70 AD? Yet did the Jews who lost their nation “hear” what was being said, knowing what happened there and why? No. Do we condemn them for being hard of hearing? Not in the least:

    “For I do not want you to be ignorant of this mystery, brothers, lest you should be wise within yourselves; that blindness in part has happened to Israel, until the fullness of the nations has come in” (Romans 11:25 MKJV).

    We know why this happened to them, and we tell them, because God will now reconcile them to Himself, dealing with the core issue that precipitated their judgment. The presence of the Jews in the land of Israel today is proof of His continuing work of redemption for them and for all of mankind. Read “The Key for Israel and the Jew”:

    http://thepathoftruth.com/teachings/israel/thekey.htm

    We have many personal examples of such occurrences of God’s judgment in our lives and the lives of others, which you can read for FREE when we begin to publish What the Lord has Done with Me in installments on our site.

    And what good does it do you to assume evil and accuse others without any basis, Stuart? Do you like others doing that to you? Don’t you think “do unto others” is a good idea? How about getting the facts and finding out the truth before condemning people about whom you know nothing? Isn’t that another good idea?

    What happened to make you so bitter and caustic? Are you telling us that you don’t believe what you choose to believe? Haven’t you already demonstrated this to be the case when you choose to believe evil of us, without any basis for doing so?

    The Lord Jesus Christ revealed Himself to me in 1978, whereas I had previously been an unbelieving fool like you, minus the bitterness (with no credit for that going to me). He is alive and ruling all things, Stuart, and reveals Himself to whomever He chooses, whenever He chooses, and your time will also come someday. At that time you will be thoroughly ashamed of your obnoxious treatment of your fellow man, and above, all, of your Creator.


    I suggest your shame will be the greater assuming to know more and love all the more less

    #223500
    Ed J
    Participant

    Quote (bodhitharta @ Nov. 07 2010,07:29)

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    You replied:

    Now, you can even know my relationship with God? Lol…Lol
    Let God judge that one and be a witness between me and you

    To which we replied:

    Amen, Bod. You said it there. Let’s get it on.

    Muhammad is no more than an apostle: many Were the apostle that passed away before him. If he died or were slain, will ye then Turn back on your heels? If any did turn back on his heels, not the least harm will he do to Allah. but Allah (on the other hand) will swiftly reward those who (serve Him) with gratitude.  
    (  سورة آل عمران  , Aal-e-Imran, Chapter #3, Verse #144)

    .
                        Mohammad the False Prophet

    2Cor.11:13-15 For such are false apostles, deceitful workers,
    transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ. And no marvel;
    for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. Therefore it is no
    great thing if his (satan called allah) ministers also be transformed as the
    ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.

    Gal.1:8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel
    unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.

    .

    #223503
    Stu
    Participant

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    Stuart, Paul here. God speaks very effectively, both in word and deed.


    Hi Paul. That’s obviously not true, given the 39,000 denominations / cults of christianity that exist, all results of scisms from disagreements on what they think their god is about.

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    For example, Jesus prophesied that the Temple in Jerusalem would be torn down to the foundation as Jerusalem fell to a hostile nation.


    How can you possibly know what Jesus said?

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    Didn’t God make good on His Word, “speaking” very effectively by the events of 70 AD?


    What exactly was it that caused the destruction of the temple? Would an insurance company today consider it to be an “act of god”? When exactly were the gospels that mention this actually written?

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    Yet did the Jews who lost their nation “hear” what was being said, knowing what happened there and why? No. Do we condemn them for being hard of hearing? Not in the least:

    “For I do not want you to be ignorant of this mystery, brothers, lest you should be wise within yourselves; that blindness in part has happened to Israel, until the fullness of the nations has come in” (Romans 11:25 MKJV).

    We know why this happened to them, and we tell them, because God will now reconcile them to Himself, dealing with the core issue that precipitated their judgment. The presence of the Jews in the land of Israel today is proof of His continuing work of redemption for them and for all of mankind. Read “The Key for Israel and the Jew”:

    http://thepathoftruth.com/teachings/israel/thekey.htm

    We have many personal examples of such occurrences of God’s judgment in our lives and the lives of others, which you can read for FREE when we begin to publish What the Lord has Done with Me in installments on our site.


    I can hardly wait.

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    And what good does it do you to assume evil and accuse others without any basis, Stuart?


    I don’t use the word evil.

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    Do you like others doing that to you?
    I like robust argument concerning my beliefs. They are only the ideas I hold in my head. If they can be shown to be wrong then I want to know. Do you think the same of your beliefs? If not, why not?

    Don’t you think “do unto others” is a good idea?


    No, I don’t. There are many better versions than the one found in Matthew 7:12. One better is “do not do unto others what you would not want done to you”.

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    How about getting the facts and finding out the truth before condemning people about whom you know nothing? Isn’t that another good idea?


    If you can show me I am wrong, then I would like to hear that. Do you think you are showing me that I am wrong?

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    What happened to make you so bitter and caustic? Are you telling us that you don’t believe what you choose to believe? Haven’t you already demonstrated this to be the case when you choose to believe evil of us, without any basis for doing so?


    I think your belief system is immoral. Accepting a human sacrifice as a way of saving yourself from imagined supernatural punishments is not an ethical way to behave, as far as I am concerned. Those who tell lies about natural history and instead insert a god that explains none of the history of our species are liars and misrepresenters, which I have some ethical difficulty with also. Even the very idea of telling children that Jesus was real without warning them that there is about as much evidence for him as there is for the tooth fairy is stretching things a bit. Especially when you deny that the biblical Jesus is almost certainly an invention of the gospel writers. I am not really bitter and caustic, that is just a result of the material we are discussing: christianity brings out the worst in me.

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    The Lord Jesus Christ revealed Himself to me in 1978, whereas I had previously been an unbelieving fool like you, minus the bitterness (with no credit for that going to me).


    So before your conversion, when you were confronted by evangelical types you would admit that you were a fool??

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    He is alive and ruling all things, Stuart,


    Two religious platitudes…

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    and reveals Himself to whomever He chooses, whenever He chooses,


    …and a third…

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    and your time will also come someday.


    …and a fourth. Each completely meaningless drivel. None of those statements can actually be falsified, can they. If you expect me to believe things for which there is no way to tell if they are false, then you open yourself up to any old crackpot’s nonsense. You must accept the existence of the Flying Spaghetti Monster (bhna) on exactly the same basis. Will you call out to him and ask him to reveal his truth to you?

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    At that time you will be thoroughly ashamed of your obnoxious treatment of your fellow man, and above, all, of your Creator.


    Jesus was alleged to have annoyed people for their own good too. I could be your salvation from all this Bronze Age / Iron Age simpleton’s mythology. Do you have the ears to hear?

    Stuart

    #223508
    Ed J
    Participant

    Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 27 2010,12:56)

    Quote (Stu @ Jan. 25 2010,21:07)

    Should Ed be properly honest, though?  Should he avoid putting words in the mouth of the atheist that actually the atheist never claimed himself, say a claim that he has not, and in fact cannot test, like for example that no evidence would be good enough?

    Stuart


    Hi Stuart,

    What evidence of God's existence would you consider good enough?

    Ed J
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

    Quote (Stu @ Nov. 07 2010,15:22)
    Hi Paul.  

    If you expect me to believe things for which there is no way to tell if they are false, then you open yourself up to any old crackpot’s nonsense.

    Stuart


    Hi Stuart,

    I guess that means that I'm a “crackpot” to you because
    you have no way to tell if the information I presented to you is true?
    I guess your monkey brain is just not evolved enough to sort it all out; huh? (Click Here)

    Witnessing to a worldwide audience in behalf of YHVH!
    יהוה האלהים (JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā  hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm!
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34 / Isaiah 49:16 / Isaiah 60:14)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org (Ecl.9:12-16)

    #223512
    Stu
    Participant

    Quote (Ed J @ Nov. 07 2010,16:36)

    Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 27 2010,12:56)

    Quote (Stu @ Jan. 25 2010,21:07)

    Should Ed be properly honest, though?  Should he avoid putting words in the mouth of the atheist that actually the atheist never claimed himself, say a claim that he has not, and in fact cannot test, like for example that no evidence would be good enough?

    Stuart


    Hi Stuart,

    What evidence of God's existence would you consider good enough?

    Ed J
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

    Quote (Stu @ Nov. 07 2010,15:22)
    Hi Paul.  

    If you expect me to believe things for which there is no way to tell if they are false, then you open yourself up to any old crackpot’s nonsense.

    Stuart


    Hi Stuart,

    I guess that means that I'm a “crackpot” to you because
    you have no way to tell if the information I presented to you is true?
    I guess your monkey brain is just not evolved enough to sort it all out; huh? (Click Here)

    Witnessing to a worldwide audience in behalf of YHVH!
    יהוה האלהים (JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā  hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm!
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34 / Isaiah 49:16 / Isaiah 60:14)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org (Ecl.9:12-16)


    I have already shown you that your numbers only form the patterns that you have set yourself. You do not qualify as a crackpot because you have never said what the numbers actually imply. All you do is ask rhetorical questions about how likely the patterns would be to occur. There are two answers to that:

    1. I don't know, you tell us (you never have); and
    2. They were very likely to occur as the chance of you choosing a word you did not mean to choose was low.

    How about you give it a rest and find something relevant or interesting to discuss.

    Stuart

    #223515
    Ed J
    Participant

    Quote (Stu @ Nov. 07 2010,17:37)

    Quote (Ed J @ Nov. 07 2010,16:36)

    Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 27 2010,12:56)

    Quote (Stu @ Jan. 25 2010,21:07)

    Should Ed be properly honest, though?  Should he avoid putting words in the mouth of the atheist that actually the atheist never claimed himself, say a claim that he has not, and in fact cannot test, like for example that no evidence would be good enough?

    Stuart


    Hi Stuart,

    What evidence of God's existence would you consider good enough?

    Ed J
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

    Quote (Stu @ Nov. 07 2010,15:22)
    Hi Paul.  

    If you expect me to believe things for which there is no way to tell if they are false, then you open yourself up to any old crackpot’s nonsense.

    Stuart


    Hi Stuart,

    I guess that means that I'm a “crackpot” to you because
    you have no way to tell if the information I presented to you is true?
    I guess your monkey brain is just not evolved enough to sort it all out; huh? (Click Here)

    Witnessing to a worldwide audience in behalf of YHVH!
    יהוה האלהים (JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā  hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm!
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34 / Isaiah 49:16 / Isaiah 60:14)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org (Ecl.9:12-16)


    I have already shown you that your numbers only form the patterns that you have set yourself.  You do not qualify as a crackpot because you have never said what the numbers actually imply.  All you do is ask rhetorical questions about how likely the patterns would be to occur.  There are two answers to that:

    1.  I don't know, you tell us (you never have); and
    2.  They were very likely to occur as the chance of you choosing a word you did not mean to choose was low.

    How about you give it a rest and find something relevant or interesting to discuss.  

    Stuart


    The number 74 and it's association to Jesus

    In English, the significant number (74) is attributed to “JOSHUA”=74 and “Messiah”=74; also
    in the following: “JESUS”=74, “Cross”=74, “Gospel”=74, and even “English”=74.
    “Jesus Christ” (74×32) also factors 74 in Greek Theomatically:
    [Jesus] Ιησους=74(x12), [Christ] Χριστоς=74(x20).
    [Son of Man] υιος τον ανθρωπου=74(x40).

    “JESUS OF NAZARETH THE KING OF THE JEWS”=373 (John 19:19)
    This most popular phrase curiously adds up to the 74th prime number: 373.
    Furthermore: “The King” equals 74 as well, which is at the center of this complete phrase.

    Perhaps, Stuart, you would agree that these FACTS are all mere (according to Atheists)
    coincidences, but my research suggests based on the large timescales that God orchestrated it's use!

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

    #223538
    bodhitharta
    Participant

    Quote (Ed J @ Nov. 07 2010,21:04)

    Quote (Stu @ Nov. 07 2010,17:37)

    Quote (Ed J @ Nov. 07 2010,16:36)

    Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 27 2010,12:56)

    Quote (Stu @ Jan. 25 2010,21:07)

    Should Ed be properly honest, though?  Should he avoid putting words in the mouth of the atheist that actually the atheist never claimed himself, say a claim that he has not, and in fact cannot test, like for example that no evidence would be good enough?

    Stuart


    Hi Stuart,

    What evidence of God's existence would you consider good enough?

    Ed J
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

    Quote (Stu @ Nov. 07 2010,15:22)
    Hi Paul.  

    If you expect me to believe things for which there is no way to tell if they are false, then you open yourself up to any old crackpot’s nonsense.

    Stuart


    Hi Stuart,

    I guess that means that I'm a “crackpot” to you because
    you have no way to tell if the information I presented to you is true?
    I guess your monkey brain is just not evolved enough to sort it all out; huh? (Click Here)

    Witnessing to a worldwide audience in behalf of YHVH!
    יהוה האלהים (JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā  hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm!
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34 / Isaiah 49:16 / Isaiah 60:14)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org (Ecl.9:12-16)


    I have already shown you that your numbers only form the patterns that you have set yourself.  You do not qualify as a crackpot because you have never said what the numbers actually imply.  All you do is ask rhetorical questions about how likely the patterns would be to occur.  There are two answers to that:

    1.  I don't know, you tell us (you never have); and
    2.  They were very likely to occur as the chance of you choosing a word you did not mean to choose was low.

    How about you give it a rest and find something relevant or interesting to discuss.  

    Stuart


    The number 74 and it's association to Jesus

    In English, the significant number (74) is attributed to “JOSHUA”=74 and “Messiah”=74; also
    in the following: “JESUS”=74, “Cross”=74, “Gospel”=74, and even “English”=74.
    “Jesus Christ” (74×32) also factors 74 in Greek Theomatically:
    [Jesus] Ιησους=74(x12), [Christ] Χριστоς=74(x20).
    [Son of Man] υιος τον ανθρωπου=74(x40).

    “JESUS OF NAZARETH THE KING OF THE JEWS”=373 (John 19:19)
    This most popular phrase curiously adds up to the 74th prime number: 373.
    Furthermore: “The King” equals 74 as well, which is at the center of this complete phrase.

    Perhaps, Stuart, you would agree that these FACTS are all mere (according to Atheists)
    coincidences, but my research suggests based on the large timescales that God orchestrated it's use!

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org


    ED,

    I want STU to believe in God as well but how do you think expressing huge generalizations can mean anything;

    How could the term “The King” mean anything are you not aware of all the kings that have existed or are you talking about the current King of Saudi Arabia?

    And STU is right you have never expplained what any of these numbers mean, what does it mean to come up with 129 or 47 if those numbers mean nothing and you say the only meaning they have is that other words add up to those numbers somehow tying them together then you really are Lucifer but if you concede that ED is LUCIFER=666 is just like many other phrases that add up to 666 and it means nothing.

    So are you Lucifer? If you are and admit it then I can see that STU might then have a reason to believe in this whole thing because those odds would be amazing.

    #223551
    Ed J
    Participant

    .
                        muslims have been deceived

    .

    #223554
    bodhitharta
    Participant

    Sura #36

    82 Verily, when He intends a thing, His Command is, “be”, and it is!
    83 So glory to Him in Whose hands is the dominion of all things: and to Him will ye be all brought back.

    #223590
    Stu
    Participant

    Quote (Ed J @ Nov. 07 2010,21:04)

    Quote (Stu @ Nov. 07 2010,17:37)

    Quote (Ed J @ Nov. 07 2010,16:36)

    Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 27 2010,12:56)

    Quote (Stu @ Jan. 25 2010,21:07)

    Should Ed be properly honest, though?  Should he avoid putting words in the mouth of the atheist that actually the atheist never claimed himself, say a claim that he has not, and in fact cannot test, like for example that no evidence would be good enough?

    Stuart


    Hi Stuart,

    What evidence of God's existence would you consider good enough?

    Ed J
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

    Quote (Stu @ Nov. 07 2010,15:22)
    Hi Paul.  

    If you expect me to believe things for which there is no way to tell if they are false, then you open yourself up to any old crackpot’s nonsense.

    Stuart


    Hi Stuart,

    I guess that means that I'm a “crackpot” to you because
    you have no way to tell if the information I presented to you is true?
    I guess your monkey brain is just not evolved enough to sort it all out; huh? (Click Here)

    Witnessing to a worldwide audience in behalf of YHVH!
    יהוה האלהים (JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā  hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm!
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34 / Isaiah 49:16 / Isaiah 60:14)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org (Ecl.9:12-16)


    I have already shown you that your numbers only form the patterns that you have set yourself.  You do not qualify as a crackpot because you have never said what the numbers actually imply.  All you do is ask rhetorical questions about how likely the patterns would be to occur.  There are two answers to that:

    1.  I don't know, you tell us (you never have); and
    2.  They were very likely to occur as the chance of you choosing a word you did not mean to choose was low.

    How about you give it a rest and find something relevant or interesting to discuss.  

    Stuart


    The number 74 and it's association to Jesus

    In English, the significant number (74) is attributed to “JOSHUA”=74 and “Messiah”=74; also
    in the following: “JESUS”=74, “Cross”=74, “Gospel”=74, and even “English”=74.
    “Jesus Christ” (74×32) also factors 74 in Greek Theomatically:
    [Jesus] Ιησους=74(x12), [Christ] Χριστоς=74(x20).
    [Son of Man] υιος τον ανθρωπου=74(x40).

    “JESUS OF NAZARETH THE KING OF THE JEWS”=373 (John 19:19)
    This most popular phrase curiously adds up to the 74th prime number: 373.
    Furthermore: “The King” equals 74 as well, which is at the center of this complete phrase.

    Perhaps, Stuart, you would agree that these FACTS are all mere (according to Atheists)
    coincidences, but my research suggests based on the large timescales that God orchestrated it's use!

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org


    My research suggests that numerologists are simpletons. I'm not able to reveal what my measurement of your Simpleton Index was in that research.

    All I can say is that those who go off to new places to study this nonsense are depriving their home village of its idiot.

    Stuart

    #223619
    Ed J
    Participant

    Hi Stuart,

    You remind me of an ostrich who buries its head in the sand.
    Surely you picked the right avatar for yourself at h-net;
    closing your eyes to the proof of God's existence!

    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

    #223629
    Stu
    Participant

    Quote (Ed J @ Nov. 08 2010,22:54)
    Hi Stuart,

    You remind me of an ostrich who buries its head in the sand.
    Surely you picked the right avatar for yourself at h-net;
    closing your eyes to the proof of God's existence!

    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org


    I read your “evidence” and it isn't. I explained why to you, and subsequently it was not me who was behaving like an ostrich.

    Although even ostriches could probably understand why numerology is nonsense for simpletons.

    Stuart

    #223632
    Ed J
    Participant

    Quote (Stu @ Nov. 09 2010,01:57)

    Quote (Ed J @ Nov. 08 2010,22:54)
    Hi Stuart,

    You remind me of an ostrich who buries its head in the sand.
    Surely you picked the right avatar for yourself at h-net;
    closing your eyes to the proof of God's existence!

    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org


    I read your “evidence” and it isn't.  I explained why to you, and subsequently it was not me who was behaving like an ostrich.

    Although even ostriches could probably understand why numerology is nonsense for simpletons.

    Stuart


    Hi Stuart,

    NO; you stopped reading the information
    (I was presenting) after you made your mind up…

    'Don't bother me(Stuart) with the FACTS,
    because I(Stuart) already made up my mind.'

    There is a lot more, but you have closed your ears?
    That is why Jesus said: If any man have ears to hear, let him hear. (Mark 4:23)

    Witnessing to a worldwide audience in behalf of YHVH!
    יהוה האלהים (JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā  hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm!
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34 / Isaiah 49:16 / Isaiah 60:14)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org (Ecl.9:12-16)

    #223635
    bodhitharta
    Participant

    Quote (Stu @ Nov. 09 2010,01:57)

    Quote (Ed J @ Nov. 08 2010,22:54)
    Hi Stuart,

    You remind me of an ostrich who buries its head in the sand.
    Surely you picked the right avatar for yourself at h-net;
    closing your eyes to the proof of God's existence!

    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org


    I read your “evidence” and it isn't.  I explained why to you, and subsequently it was not me who was behaving like an ostrich.

    Although even ostriches could probably understand why numerology is nonsense for simpletons.

    Stuart


    What he does isn't even numerology because he doesn't even assign meaning to the numbers themselves. Numerologist study the numbers for meaning not to convey ideys about the how many words add up to a number.

    A numerologist aould assign attributes to numbers such as 1=leadership, dominance…etc then they would list the positive and negative aspects of that spectrum such as negative 1=tyranny and a positive 1=independence

    #223723
    Stu
    Participant

    Quote (bodhitharta @ Nov. 09 2010,02:38)

    Quote (Stu @ Nov. 09 2010,01:57)

    Quote (Ed J @ Nov. 08 2010,22:54)
    Hi Stuart,

    You remind me of an ostrich who buries its head in the sand.
    Surely you picked the right avatar for yourself at h-net;
    closing your eyes to the proof of God's existence!

    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org


    I read your “evidence” and it isn't.  I explained why to you, and subsequently it was not me who was behaving like an ostrich.

    Although even ostriches could probably understand why numerology is nonsense for simpletons.

    Stuart


    What he does isn't even numerology because he doesn't even assign meaning to the numbers themselves. Numerologist study the numbers for meaning not to convey ideys about the how many words add up to a number.

    A numerologist aould assign attributes to numbers such as 1=leadership, dominance…etc then they would list the positive and negative aspects of that spectrum such as negative 1=tyranny and a positive 1=independence


    So you mean Ed's nonsense is as equally irrelevant as other numerologists' nonsense, or even more irrelevant?

    Stuart

    #223724
    Stu
    Participant

    Quote (Ed J @ Nov. 09 2010,02:24)

    Quote (Stu @ Nov. 09 2010,01:57)

    Quote (Ed J @ Nov. 08 2010,22:54)
    Hi Stuart,

    You remind me of an ostrich who buries its head in the sand.
    Surely you picked the right avatar for yourself at h-net;
    closing your eyes to the proof of God's existence!

    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org


    I read your “evidence” and it isn't.  I explained why to you, and subsequently it was not me who was behaving like an ostrich.

    Although even ostriches could probably understand why numerology is nonsense for simpletons.

    Stuart


    Hi Stuart,

    NO; you stopped reading the information
    (I was presenting) after you made your mind up…

    'Don't bother me(Stuart) with the FACTS,
    because I(Stuart) already made up my mind.'

    There is a lot more, but you have closed your ears?
    That is why Jesus said: If any man have ears to hear, let him hear. (Mark 4:23)

    Witnessing to a worldwide audience in behalf of YHVH!
    יהוה האלהים (JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā  hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm!
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34 / Isaiah 49:16 / Isaiah 60:14)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org (Ecl.9:12-16)


    It doesn't matter whether there is any more Ed. What you have already posted shows us that you have nothing of significance to share. If the word relationships themselves have no statistical meaning then it would not matter what wide-scale patterns you were to show, they would be based on the fact that you had chosen which words to pay attention to, and had allowed yourself to be amazed by blind coincidence.

    Your website refers to the trial of numerology on Moby Dick which shows that any book gives you patterns if you care to look for them. You do not address this question but dismiss it.

    There is nothing in this Ed, and I'm not sure what you are trying to achieve by making accusations about me not reading your stuff. I have, and it is meaningless. I can't help it if you cannot understand why it has been debunked, but it has.

    I'm really not interested because it is really not interesting.

    Stuart

    #223797
    Ed J
    Participant

    Quote (Stu @ Nov. 09 2010,15:50)

    Quote (Ed J @ Nov. 09 2010,02:24)

    Quote (Stu @ Nov. 09 2010,01:57)

    Quote (Ed J @ Nov. 08 2010,22:54)
    Hi Stuart,

    You remind me of an ostrich who buries its head in the sand.
    Surely you picked the right avatar for yourself at h-net;
    closing your eyes to the proof of God's existence!

    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org


    I read your “evidence” and it isn't.  I explained why to you, and subsequently it was not me who was behaving like an ostrich.

    Although even ostriches could probably understand why numerology is nonsense for simpletons.

    Stuart


    Hi Stuart,

    NO; you stopped reading the information
    (I was presenting) after you made your mind up…

    'Don't bother me(Stuart) with the FACTS,
    because I(Stuart) already made up my mind.'

    There is a lot more, but you have closed your ears?
    That is why Jesus said: If any man have ears to hear, let him hear. (Mark 4:23)

    Witnessing to a worldwide audience in behalf of YHVH!
    יהוה האלהים (JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā  hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm!
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34 / Isaiah 49:16 / Isaiah 60:14)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org (Ecl.9:12-16)


    1) It doesn't matter whether there is any more Ed.  What you have already posted shows us that you have nothing of significance to share.  If the word relationships themselves have no statistical meaning then it would not matter what wide-scale patterns you were to show, they would be based on the fact that you had chosen which words to pay attention to, and had allowed yourself to be amazed by blind coincidence.

    2) Your website refers to the trial of numerology on Moby Dick which shows that any book gives you patterns if you care to look for them.  You do not address this question but dismiss it.

    3) There is nothing in this Ed, and I'm not sure what you are trying to achieve by making accusations about me not reading your stuff.  I have, and it is meaningless.  I can't help it if you cannot understand why it has been debunked, but it has.

    4) I'm really not interested because it is really not interesting.

    Stuart


    Hi Stuart,

    1) by your logic: gold has no particular bearing on any thing, people only choose to pay attention to it!

    2) My research is NOT about find a word grids.

    3) The same way God has been (according to Stuart) debunked?

    4) Your not really interested in God either, yet you remain at this site? Please explain this contradiction.

    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

    #223800
    bodhitharta
    Participant

    Quote (Stu @ Nov. 09 2010,15:39)

    Quote (bodhitharta @ Nov. 09 2010,02:38)

    Quote (Stu @ Nov. 09 2010,01:57)

    Quote (Ed J @ Nov. 08 2010,22:54)
    Hi Stuart,

    You remind me of an ostrich who buries its head in the sand.
    Surely you picked the right avatar for yourself at h-net;
    closing your eyes to the proof of God's existence!

    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org


    I read your “evidence” and it isn't.  I explained why to you, and subsequently it was not me who was behaving like an ostrich.

    Although even ostriches could probably understand why numerology is nonsense for simpletons.

    Stuart


    What he does isn't even numerology because he doesn't even assign meaning to the numbers themselves. Numerologist study the numbers for meaning not to convey ideys about the how many words add up to a number.

    A numerologist aould assign attributes to numbers such as 1=leadership, dominance…etc then they would list the positive and negative aspects of that spectrum such as negative 1=tyranny and a positive 1=independence


    So you mean Ed's nonsense is as equally irrelevant as other numerologists' nonsense, or even more irrelevant?

    Stuart


    No, actually I'm saying that actual numerologist are more relevant

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