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I began to realize something. When Catholic, I was taught that we were the true church of God, and that our doctrines and beliefs were the right ones. Then I was converted. Jesus Christ had taken over my life through the revelation of Scripture and the ministry of someone not Catholic. My life was transformed, much changed for the better. I knew the Catholic Church had not been right.
Then, when baptized in the Holy Spirit, I discovered that there had been more, though evangelicals had told me I had all that there was to be had, just like the Catholics before them. The evangelicals had not been right.
Now I was hearing from some that there was yet a third level of experience in the Lord. I was not about to allow anyone to delay me on this one if it was available. I set out to enter rest, or to be perfected or sanctified, as some would call it. However, that would not happen for many years.http://www.thepathoftruth.com/testimo….——-
This I agree with totally and if you are willing you can learn still more.Corrected url:
http://www.thepathoftruth.com/testimonies/victor.htm
“O Jupiter, if You are willing to show Yourself, please, please do.”
I threw away or burned all books and spent hours each day in the Scriptures.
“Das war ein Vorspiel nur, dort wo man Bücher verbrennt, verbrennt man am Ende auch Menschen.” (“That was but a prelude; where they burn books, they will ultimately burn people also.”)[ – Heinrich Heine
Stuart
Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Oct. 22 2010,17:50) Stu?
Your point?
Victor was being radical not practical.That was STU's point and a rather reasonble one as well for formerly Victor embraced those books as having great value and then upon new information found it necessary to be so overwhelmed as to burn them and this can happen with people too.
The fact is no matter how far spiritually Victor thinks he has come it was those same books that he burned that helped him get there.
Quote (Stu @ Oct. 22 2010,17:49) “O Jupiter, if You are willing to show Yourself, please, please do.” Stuart
Hi BD,Now why don't you try that phrase with “the real” God: “JEHOVAH”!
Then ‘you’ will actually get a “result” from the “Almighty”(JEHOVAH GOD)!Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Ed J @ Oct. 23 2010,11:57) Quote (Stu @ Oct. 22 2010,17:49) “O Jupiter, if You are willing to show Yourself, please, please do.” Stuart
Hi BD,Now why don't you try that phrase with “the real” God: “JEHOVAH”!
Then ‘you’ will actually get a “result” from the “Almighty”(JEHOVAH GOD)!Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
I will if you promise to call out to Jupiter.Ask Jupiter to reveal his truth to you, with all your heart. He will not be fooled by false pretense, it will have to be a genuine yearning you display in his presence.
Let me know when you have done that, and I will have a crack at your Yahweh, or whatever it is called.
Stuart
Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Oct. 22 2010,17:50) Stu?
Your point?
Point One: see my reply to Ed above.Point Two: christianity, when done as this man suggests, has strong parallels with the Nazis.
Godwin's Law suggests that I might have thrown away the argument at this point…
Stuart
Quote (Stu @ Oct. 23 2010,22:57) Quote (Ed J @ Oct. 23 2010,11:57) Quote (Stu @ Oct. 22 2010,17:49) “O Jupiter, if You are willing to show Yourself, please, please do.” Stuart
Hi BD,Now why don't you try that phrase with “the real” God: “JEHOVAH”!
Then ‘you’ will actually get a “result” from the “Almighty”(JEHOVAH GOD)!Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
I will if you promise to call out to Jupiter.Ask Jupiter to reveal his truth to you, with all your heart. He will not be fooled by false pretense, it will have to be a genuine yearning you display in his presence.
Let me know when you have done that, and I will have a crack at your Yahweh, or whatever it is called.
Stuart
Hi Stuart,I have already found God, no need for folly. Seems your sacred of the truth; No?
God's Name (יהוה) translates into English as YHVH; the Hebrew lacks vowel representations.
GOD’s most sacred Holy Name [יהוה] was given to us directly from the Hebrew language.
Correctly translating Hebrew into other languages can be difficult however. Some basic
linguistic rules need to be considered when translating Hebrew texts. These include a lack
of spacing between words, as a general rule has no written vowels and the basic direction
in which Hebrew is written (opposite: from right to left). Hebrew word spacing is a modern
advent that distinguishes one word from the next, aiding both translators and multi-linguists
alike. Unwritten “implied” vowel sounds are a concern because, correct pronunciations of
Hebrew words are at risk. This point is made because the correct pronunciation was thought
to be lost, which led only to translators’ interpretations.GOD’s Name (יהוה) also transliterates directly into English as YHVH because the Hebrew alphabet
lacks vowels. Hebrew has No [W] sound, No [J] sound and the symbol ש is pronounced “Sh”.[יהוה] GOD’s Name [י] Yod [ה] Ha [ו] Vav [ה] Hey is pronounced YÄ-hä-vā & [יה] YÄ
The identity of יהוה is “GOD” spoken as YÄ-hä-vā: where ä sounds like that
of the word “ah” and the other ā sounds like the vowel in the word “hay”.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Ed J @ Oct. 23 2010,23:37) I have already found God, no need for folly. Seems your sacred of the truth; No?
Why are you scared to try Jupiter? He might be an even better god to believe in.Actually I think it is christians who are scared of reality to the point that they have to substitute a fantasy story that includes immunity against listening to others calling the bluff of the emperor's new clothes.
Stuart
Quote (Stu @ Oct. 24 2010,10:34) Quote (Ed J @ Oct. 23 2010,23:37) I have already found God, no need for folly. Seems your sacred of the truth; No?
Why are you scared to try Jupiter? He might be an even better god to believe in.Actually I think it is christians who are scared of reality to the point that they have to substitute a fantasy story that includes immunity against listening to others calling the bluff of the emperor's new clothes.
Stuart
STU,What if you tried Jupiter? Have you?
Quote Bodhitharta’s posting October 21, 2010, quoting Victor’s testimony: I began to realize something. When Catholic, I was taught that we were the true church of God, and that our doctrines and beliefs were the right ones. Then I was converted. Jesus Christ had taken over my life through the revelation of Scripture and the ministry of someone not Catholic. My life was transformed, much changed for the better. I knew the Catholic Church had not been right.
Then, when baptized in the Holy Spirit, I discovered that there had been more, though evangelicals had told me I had all that there was to be had, just like the Catholics before them. The evangelicals had not been right.
Now I was hearing from some that there was yet a third level of experience in the Lord. I was not about to allow anyone to delay me on this one if it was available. I set out to enter rest, or to be perfected or sanctified, as some would call it. However, that would not happen for many years.
http://www.thepathoftruth.com/testimo….
Bod’s reply:
This I agree with totally and if you are willing you can learn still more.
Bod’s signature: “Peace and blessings upon Jesus The Christ forever, He puts no partners with God and worships Our Father as The Only True God.”
Victor Hafichuk's reply:
Bod, I came into that fourth dimension, the one of rest in God through Jesus Christ, in the year 2000. But let me give you another excerpt from that link and ask you if you have experienced this victory of soul and spirit, which freedom and peace I received when calling upon, and submitting to, Jesus Christ as Lord of lords:
“In the days to follow, changes occurred in me over which I had no control and for which I could take no credit whatsoever. The vices and bad habits I had tried and failed to overcome were removed from me. I found myself with new desires, a joy I had never known, peace, fulfillment, direction, and purpose. I had life for the first time. The Bible became a new Book to me. I had read it once through before this momentous occasion in my life and understood nothing. Now I was full of interest in, and enthusiasm for, its contents. This Book was alive and infinite in meaning. God was real!”
I was made, and am now, to this day, 37 years later, a new creation, as the Bible puts it. Have you experienced that freedom from sin and guilt? Have you heard God’s voice? Has He personally notified you that He approves of you and loves you? Has God revealed Himself to you personally? Can you post yourself as a man in peace and rest, Bod, in harmony with God?
I see one who reasons, fights, thrusts and parries, feints and bluffs. I see one who is religious, and indoctrinated, and who tries to outsmart his fellow man and get the better of him, but I don’t see in you at all what I now have in the Savior of all mankind.
Victor Hafichuk's reply:
Bod, you sign off each time with, “Peace and blessings upon Jesus The Christ forever, He puts no partners with God and worships Our Father as The Only True God.”
He can’t accept your blessing because you don’t believe on Him. As it says:
“He who believes on the Son has everlasting life, and he who does not believe the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God abides upon him” (John 3:36 MKJV).
We see His wrath on you and speak so that, God willing, it might be removed. And of this same Jesus, it is recorded by our beloved brother Paul:
“And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifested in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen by angels, preached among nations, believed on in the world, and received up into glory” (1 Timothy 3:16 MKJV).
He is the One, True God, and you will hear more of that from us, though you argue and reason, presuming to know better. But can you try to be honest and reason honestly, without evasive tactics? I perceive that to you, might is right, which is the Muslim way, but to God the Creator, Jesus Christ, right is might, and by right He overcame the world, not by might as man knows it. And nobody is mightier than the One Who can lay down His life for mankind and take it up from the grave three days later, at will.
Quote (princess of the king @ Oct. 24 2010,23:33) Stuart, Would it not be wise to first know what god you serve before you offer an other?
PoftheK
Would that not first depend on the question of whether I serve any gods?Stuart
Quote (bodhitharta @ Oct. 25 2010,04:16) Quote (Stu @ Oct. 24 2010,10:34) Quote (Ed J @ Oct. 23 2010,23:37) I have already found God, no need for folly. Seems your sacred of the truth; No?
Why are you scared to try Jupiter? He might be an even better god to believe in.Actually I think it is christians who are scared of reality to the point that they have to substitute a fantasy story that includes immunity against listening to others calling the bluff of the emperor's new clothes.
Stuart
STU,What if you tried Jupiter? Have you?
No, is it a great experience BD?STuart
Quote (PaulCohen @ Oct. 25 2010,05:36) Victor Hafichuk's reply: Bod, you sign off each time with, “Peace and blessings upon Jesus The Christ forever, He puts no partners with God and worships Our Father as The Only True God.”
He can’t accept your blessing because you don’t believe on Him. As it says:
“He who believes on the Son has everlasting life, and he who does not believe the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God abides upon him” (John 3:36 MKJV).
We see His wrath on you and speak so that, God willing, it might be removed. And of this same Jesus, it is recorded by our beloved brother Paul:
“And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifested in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen by angels, preached among nations, believed on in the world, and received up into glory” (1 Timothy 3:16 MKJV).
He is the One, True God, and you will hear more of that from us, though you argue and reason, presuming to know better. But can you try to be honest and reason honestly, without evasive tactics? I perceive that to you, might is right, which is the Muslim way, but to God the Creator, Jesus Christ, right is might, and by right He overcame the world, not by might as man knows it. And nobody is mightier than the One Who can lay down His life for mankind and take it up from the grave three days later, at will.
BD is not capable of sustaining much in the way of focussed and honest debate with anyone, but let us know if you think your cheap and mindless christian prostyletising has made any difference to him. I'd bet not.Stuart
Quote (PaulCohen @ Oct. 25 2010,05:20) Quote Bodhitharta’s posting October 21, 2010, quoting Victor’s testimony: I began to realize something. When Catholic, I was taught that we were the true church of God, and that our doctrines and beliefs were the right ones. Then I was converted. Jesus Christ had taken over my life through the revelation of Scripture and the ministry of someone not Catholic. My life was transformed, much changed for the better. I knew the Catholic Church had not been right.
Then, when baptized in the Holy Spirit, I discovered that there had been more, though evangelicals had told me I had all that there was to be had, just like the Catholics before them. The evangelicals had not been right.
Now I was hearing from some that there was yet a third level of experience in the Lord. I was not about to allow anyone to delay me on this one if it was available. I set out to enter rest, or to be perfected or sanctified, as some would call it. However, that would not happen for many years.
http://www.thepathoftruth.com/testimo….
Bod’s reply:
This I agree with totally and if you are willing you can learn still more.
Bod’s signature: “Peace and blessings upon Jesus The Christ forever, He puts no partners with God and worships Our Father as The Only True God.”
Victor Hafichuk's reply:
Bod, I came into that fourth dimension, the one of rest in God through Jesus Christ, in the year 2000. But let me give you another excerpt from that link and ask you if you have experienced this victory of soul and spirit, which freedom and peace I received when calling upon, and submitting to, Jesus Christ as Lord of lords:
“In the days to follow, changes occurred in me over which I had no control and for which I could take no credit whatsoever. The vices and bad habits I had tried and failed to overcome were removed from me. I found myself with new desires, a joy I had never known, peace, fulfillment, direction, and purpose. I had life for the first time. The Bible became a new Book to me. I had read it once through before this momentous occasion in my life and understood nothing. Now I was full of interest in, and enthusiasm for, its contents. This Book was alive and infinite in meaning. God was real!”
I was made, and am now, to this day, 37 years later, a new creation, as the Bible puts it. Have you experienced that freedom from sin and guilt? Have you heard God’s voice? Has He personally notified you that He approves of you and loves you? Has God revealed Himself to you personally? Can you post yourself as a man in peace and rest, Bod, in harmony with God?
I see one who reasons, fights, thrusts and parries, feints and bluffs. I see one who is religious, and indoctrinated, and who tries to outsmart his fellow man and get the better of him, but I don’t see in you at all what I now have in the Savior of all mankind.
My email is “witness the real” you know why? Because I have Witnessed the Real and God is Real and I have Submitted to God in Peace and while you have submitted to the Messiah of God in Peace you should Submit to God Jesus was the door but you have not went through to get to the Father.God has revealed Himself to me but of course God is not a he or a she, God is a Spirit and is beyond having a gender but most don't know. You call a Mediator “God” how terrible.
Now a mediator is not a mediator of one, but God is one.
Galatians 3:19-21For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;
1 Timothy 2:4-6Receive Admonishment!
Quote (PaulCohen @ Oct. 25 2010,05:36) Victor Hafichuk's reply: Bod, you sign off each time with, “Peace and blessings upon Jesus The Christ forever, He puts no partners with God and worships Our Father as The Only True God.”
He can’t accept your blessing because you don’t believe on Him. As it says:
“He who believes on the Son has everlasting life, and he who does not believe the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God abides upon him” (John 3:36 MKJV).
We see His wrath on you and speak so that, God willing, it might be removed. And of this same Jesus, it is recorded by our beloved brother Paul:
“And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifested in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen by angels, preached among nations, believed on in the world, and received up into glory” (1 Timothy 3:16 MKJV).
He is the One, True God, and you will hear more of that from us, though you argue and reason, presuming to know better. But can you try to be honest and reason honestly, without evasive tactics? I perceive that to you, might is right, which is the Muslim way, but to God the Creator, Jesus Christ, right is might, and by right He overcame the world, not by might as man knows it. And nobody is mightier than the One Who can lay down His life for mankind and take it up from the grave three days later, at will.
God was manifested in the flesh means that God was made EVIDENT not that God was Materialized. God is a spirit!That is why the scripture say:
“Great is the Mystery of “GODLINESS” I am sure that those who follow your course of belief see God in you because your Godliness is what is manifesting God or making God evident but that doesn't make you God it makes you express Godliness or manifest Godliness on Earth. Why do you keep talking about the Muslim way as if you know that way? If you knew that way you would Submit to God in Peace and be a submitter(Muslim) I was not born into a Muslim family, I am not of the Arabic culture, I have only been to a Mosque maybe twice or so and have only learned directly from the Quran as guided by God. I have studied the Bible for over 20 years but I was not raised a Catholic but was guided by God
God Bless you!
Victor wrote to Bod:
Those are things you aren’t aware of, Bod, because you have never met and spoken with Him. You have never been born again. We have, and we know whereof we speak, being at the throne, at the Source, which all His sons are.
Bod replied:
Now, you can even know my relationship with God? Lol…Lol
Let God judge that one and be a witness between me and youVictor’s reply:
Amen, Bod. You said it there. Let’s get it on. All this other talk isn't going anywhere; you aren't listening. But now we will let God decide. He is the One in charge and will make known who is His, who isn’t, who speaks the truth, and who doesn’t, leaving no doubt for all onlookers. He will answer this request of yours, because He wholeheartedly concurs with it, as do we.
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