Value of numbers

[SimplyForgiven]

Im starting to see alot about English gemtaria used as a biblical truth within this forum and what not,

actually the problem is we dont know enough about it to either agree or not. well at least i dont.

Since i study hebrew, it is known that the Hebrew alphabet represents numbers.
Each letter holds a certain value.
I find that the Hebrew numbering value is more valid than English Gemtaria (however you spell it)

anyways,

what do yo think?

Whats better the English G or Hebrew letter values.

[terraricca]

hi

i always had a question about those numbers,

like who made those numbers in the Hebrew alphabet ??man or God?

are those related to the Kabbalah?? this is from men not from God.

are those invention of men ? ,to make the scriptures look like something not accessible to the common man??

i wish some one can answer those question.

Pierre

[terraricca]

it seems the ones who use the numbers do not stand to answer,

Pierre

[terraricca]

hi

two weeks now ,it think no one likes this topic.

Pierre

[Baker]

Quote (SimplyForgiven @ June 29 2010,05:58)

Im starting to see alot about English gemtaria used as a biblical truth within this forum and what not, actually the problem is we dont know enough about it to either agree or not.  well at least i dont. Since i study hebrew, it is known that the Hebrew alphabet represents numbers.   Each letter holds a certain value.   I find that the Hebrew numbering value is more valid than English Gemtaria (however you spell it) anyways, what do yo think? Whats better the English G or Hebrew letter values.

Does God tell you in his word to look for numbers, or for truth?

Georg

[Proclaimer]

There are some interesting patterns in Greek and Hebrew gematria and you cannot really change the way it works because the number system is built in.

In Greek we have alpha = 1, beta = 2, and up to omega which = 800. So you can't alter the outcome. The only manipulation you can implore is to combine the words you want. So if a word doesn't add up to your desired multiple, you can then combine it with a number of other words and you might force it to be divisible by a certain number. That said, you cannot change things like Jesus = 800, Christ = 1480, saviour = 1408,  Lord = 800  because they are one word.
e.g., Jesus = IhsouV = 10 + 8 + 200 + 70 + 400 + 200 = 888

But I am unconvinced with the English language because the number system is separate to the alphabet. Consequently, people can make up there own patterns and choose the one that that best suits their agenda. e.g., some Moslems use gematria to support the Koran in a similar way that Edj uses the bible.

[Baker]

The Bible is written in many languages. So why should we use numbers in our believes? I also believe that the numbers in Hebrew was put there by men and not God…..He put all languages on earth to confuse many. Does the original Transcript of the Bible have numbers? We have a Hebrew and Greek Dictionary, but I don't see any numbers in it…..I really don't understand why anyone would want to use it…..Is the Bible not good enough for those who want to use it?……Peace Irene

[Baker]

Quote (t8 @ Sep. 23 2010,15:15)

There are some interesting patterns in Greek and Hebrew gematria and you cannot really change the way it works because the number system is built in. In Greek  we have alpha = 1, beta = 2, and up to omega which = 800. So you can't alter the outcome. The only manipulation you can implore is to combine the words you want. So if a word doesn't add up to your desired multiple, you can then combine it with a number of other words and you might force it to be divisible by a certain number. That said, you cannot change things like Jesus = 800, Christ = 1480, saviour = 1408,  Lord = 800  because they are one word. e.g., Jesus = IhsouV = 10 + 8 + 200 + 70 + 400 + 200 = 888 But I am unconvinced with the English language because the number system is separate to the alphabet. Consequently, people can make up there own patterns and choose the one that that best suits their agenda. e.g., some Moslems use gematria to support the Koran in a similar way that Edj uses the bible.

OK t8 but should they come and think that it is good for all of us? Ed for instances thinks now that the Holy Spirit is The Word of God. And I think it is because He uses numbers, am I wrong to say that? I also think it is hard enough to learn another language. I dealt with that when we came from Germany when I was 16. So I don't want to use it and I don't understand Ed…….I only see one time in Rev. 13:18 when the number 666 was used….It is very confusing to many…..Even the numbers in Rev. 13 is used in different ways…If you then also can manipulate numbers to say what you want it to say, I find that then wrong to use….And in the Bible you cant either change Jesus or Christ or Savior………So to me there is no sense in using numbers……Peace Irene

[Proclaimer]

Maybe a coincidence, but it does make you think when you see that the Antichrist's number of his name equals 666 and the true Christ (Jesus) is 888.
Especially when man was made on the 6th day and the Man of sin is 666. We also know that 8 has special significance, in that 8 people were saved in all during the first tribulation, (flood).

[Ed J]

The number 74 and it's association to Jesus…

In English, the significant number (74) is attributed to “JOSHUA”=74 and “Messiah”=74; also
in the following: “JESUS”=74, “Cross”=74, “Gospel”=74, and even “English”=74.
“Jesus Christ” (74×32) also factors 74 in Greek Theomatically:
[Jesus] Ιησους=74(x12), [Christ] Χριστоς=74(x20).
[Son of Man] υιος τον ανθρωπου=74(x40).

“JESUS OF NAZARETH THE KING OF THE JEWS”=373 (John 19:19)
This most popular phrase curiously adds up to the 74th prime number: 373.
Furthermore: “The King” equals 74 as well, which is at the center of this complete phrase.

Perhaps, Irene, you would agree that these FACTS are all mere (according to Atheists)
coincidences, but my research suggests that based on the large timescales God orchestrated it's use!

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[Ed J]

People need: “BIBLE PERCEPTION“=151, to understand “BIBLE TRUTH“=117 ! (AKJV Ephesians 4:22-24)
The God Numbers=151 are: 26, 63, 74, 117 & 151; and these numbers help to establish “Bible Truth”=117!

                                   The Number 151

God’s Name (יהוה) is WRITTEN EXACTLY 6823 times in the Hebrew Masoretic Texts. See how
The Gematria value of Ιησους Χριστоς=2368 Ē-Ā-Soos Chrĭstŏs (Jesus Christ in Greek)
resembles the number of times God’s Name is used in the Hebrew Masoretic Texts.

6823 is the 877th prime number in a long list of primes starting with two (2).
Now this might not seem significant until you realize that the number 877
is the 151st prime number. This number 151 shows “Unity” in Spirit.

The Key=74…………………The God Numbers=151

יהוה=26 ………………………YHVH GOD is One=151 (Psalm 68:4)
YHVH=63 …………………..LORD of Hosts=151 (AKJV Bible)
Jesus=74 …………………..Jesus Christ=151 (New Testament)
HolySpirit=151 …………..Holy Spirit=151 (Old & New Testament)
God The Father=117 …..The LORD JEHOVAH=151 (Isaiah 12:2, 26:4)

Witnessing to a worldwide audience in behalf of YHVH!
יהוה האלהים (JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā  hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm!
Ed J (Joshua 22:34 / Isaiah 49:16 / Isaiah 60:14)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org (Ecl.9:12-16)

[Ed J]

Quote (Baker @ Sep. 24 2010,08:23)

Quote (t8 @ Sep. 23 2010,15:15) There are some interesting patterns in Greek and Hebrew gematria and you cannot really change the way it works because the number system is built in. In Greek  we have alpha = 1, beta = 2, and up to omega which = 800. So you can't alter the outcome. The only manipulation you can implore is to combine the words you want. So if a word doesn't add up to your desired multiple, you can then combine it with a number of other words and you might force it to be divisible by a certain number. That said, you cannot change things like Jesus = 800, Christ = 1480, saviour = 1408,  Lord = 800  because they are one word. e.g., Jesus = IhsouV = 10 + 8 + 200 + 70 + 400 + 200 = 888 But I am unconvinced with the English language because the number system is separate to the alphabet. Consequently, people can make up there own patterns and choose the one that that best suits their agenda. e.g., some Moslems use gematria to support the Koran in a similar way that Edj uses the bible. OK t8 but should they come and think that it is good for all of us?  Ed for instances thinks now that the Holy Spirit is The Word of God.   And I think it is because He uses numbers, am I wrong to say that?  I also think it is hard enough to learn another language.  I dealt with that when we came from Germany when I was 16.  So I don't want to use it and I don't understand Ed…….I only see one time in Rev. 13:18 when the number 666 was used….It is very confusing to many…..Even the numbers in Rev. 13 is used in different ways…If you then also can manipulate numbers to say what you want it to say, I find that then wrong to use….And in the Bible you cant either change Jesus or Christ or Savior………So to me there is no sense in using numbers……Peace Irene

Hi Irene,

Let me tell you I've had my understanding of God for over 30 years
before numbers such as in my Posts were introduced to me.

Have you ever seen the Jim Cary movie called: 'Bruce Almighty'?
Well there is a scene where he is crying out to God… “God to show me a sign”!
He drives past one sign that says “Bridge Out” and then another that says “Caution”.
He is completely oblivious to the “many signs”, continuing towards an incomplete Bridge.
That is how numbers were for me, “no interest” “didn't care” and still I kept seeing the number 54,
but didn't have a clue as to why? Then in 2001 I was introduced to a book called Theomatics II by Author Del Washburn.

Or Are you familiar with the Prophet Amos?
Amos 7:14 …I was no prophet, neither was I a prophet's son;
but I was an herdman, and a gatherer of sycomore fruit: And the LORD took me
as I followed the flock, and the LORD said unto me, Go, prophesy unto my people Israel.

Well my story is very similar, God still uses people today and it's my calling to
write a book that now documents the very PROOF of God's existence.
I have No buffeting spirit, like the Apostle Paul had, having No ego.
YHVH=63 has even wrote about me in his book: “The Bible”=63.

This has “only” been done (as I see things) to be used as conclusive proof of “HIS” existence.
Without it, I would be considered just another “crackpot”, in a long history of crackpots.
As my friend Gary Robb once said: “Nobody can know everything about everything”.
But God's kingdom is “real” and the extent of this proof is yet to be revealed to all.

Sorry for so long a version, but I thought you should know.
Numbers are corroborative evidence only; nothing more.
I have learned based on numbers No “Theology”, though satan might tell you differently!

Prov.18:13 He that answereth a matter before he heareth(understands) it, it is folly and shame unto him.
Prov.25:2 It is the glory of God to conceal a thing: but the honor of kings is to search out a matter.
This powerful information is relatively unknown to “Mainstream Christianity” (as a whole), yet it is
neither irrelevant nor inconsequential; and can be proven that God orchestrated it’s design!
The Gematria I will use has a direct correlation to the AKJV Bible; cherry picked yes,
but harder to debunk, because I did NOT orchestrate its use. This pattern has
occurred over large time scales; diminishing the look of mans manipulation.

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

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