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Quote (bodhitharta @ Sep. 09 2013,06:57) Quote (Colter @ Sep. 08 2013,23:12) bodihartha, Judaism disagrees with you about Jesus being the Messiah. They should know, they basically created the erroneous concept of a sort of priest, prophet, king to rule the world from material Israel. If the Jews would have only interpreted the kingdom spiritually. “O Jerusalem, Jarusalem, you who kill the prophets and stone those sent to you, how often I have longed to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under he wings, but you were not wiling.” Jesus was the incarnation of a spiritual being, such a miraculous reality would have associated with it things that are difficult for the human mind to comprehend or understand. At times Jesus spoke as a human subject to the will of God, at other times he spoke by divine rite. I look at the totality of Jesus, both human and divine; all that he said and did.
I know Jesus as a spiritual presence anyway, so creeds or doctrines and beliefs about the past are irrelevant to The living word.
Colter
That was a good answer although it avoided answering the post above it.
Bodhitharta,I have already addressed those issues before.
* The creator Son took on the flesh during his incarnation, it was the flesh that died on the cross. He resurrected a likeness of himself.
* Western values means Jewish, Greek and Roman idealism. When the first Christian missionaries attempted to proselytize in Arabia they encountered resistance based on their monogamous customs and other moral practices.
* I have explained many times, because of the lovable, giving nature of the Universal Father, he gave all of himself that he could give in his duplicate Creator Sons while still maintaing control.
Colter
Quote (Colter @ Sep. 09 2013,11:00) Bodhitharta, I have already addressed those issues before.
* The creator Son took on the flesh during his incarnation, it was the flesh that died on the cross. He resurrected a likeness of himself.
* Western values means Jewish, Greek and Roman idealism. When the first Christian missionaries attempted to proselytize in Arabia they encountered resistance based on their monogamous customs and other moral practices.
* I have explained many times, because of the lovable, giving nature of the Universal Father, he gave all of himself that he could give in his duplicate Creator Sons while still maintaing control.
Colter
It's funny you keep trying to put a peaceful puritanical face on Christians are you not aware that Christians have by far shed more blood than any known group of people. They killed/slaughtered the indians of America almost to extinction, thy Tortured and enslaved Africans killing an almost imaginable number most likely several times greater than the Holocaust which was also carried out by Christians, the word Crusade and terms Holy War were created by Christians. They also carried out the inquisitions the Salem witch trials, The KKK, The terrorist groups in Ireland as well as all the mediaval indignities and atrocities they were the very creators of the Dak Age. Which at such time the Islamic Golden Age was liberating most humans.Yet, the UB has a memory lapse of sorts claiming Islam as militant i simply ridiculous do you not know tht during the crusades it was usual for Christians to conquer and kill/behead those captured but it is HISTORIC FACT that most of the times Islamic conquerors allowed those captured to be ransomed and allowed their lives to continue.
8th Century
711
Muslim armies invade and occupy most of Spain (At this time Jews made up about 8% of Spain's population). Under Christian rule, Jews had been subject to frequent and intense persecution, but this was alleviated under Muslim rule. Some mark this as the beginning of the Golden age of Jewish culture in Spain.11th century
1095–1291
Christian Crusades begin, sparking warfare with Islam in Palestine. Crusaders temporarily capture Jerusalem in 1099. Tens of thousands of Jews are killed by European crusaders throughout Europe and in the Middle East.I have said this from the beginning with you other worldly beings would have been aware of these facts
Quote (bodhitharta @ Sep. 09 2013,11:38) Quote (Colter @ Sep. 09 2013,11:00) Bodhitharta, I have already addressed those issues before.
* The creator Son took on the flesh during his incarnation, it was the flesh that died on the cross. He resurrected a likeness of himself.
* Western values means Jewish, Greek and Roman idealism. When the first Christian missionaries attempted to proselytize in Arabia they encountered resistance based on their monogamous customs and other moral practices.
* I have explained many times, because of the lovable, giving nature of the Universal Father, he gave all of himself that he could give in his duplicate Creator Sons while still maintaing control.
Colter
It's funny you keep trying to put a peaceful puritanical face on Christians are you not aware that Christians have by far shed more blood than any known group of people. They killed/slaughtered the indians of America almost to extinction, thy Tortured and enslaved Africans killing an almost imaginable number most likely several times greater than the Holocaust which was also carried out by Christians, the word Crusade and terms Holy War were created by Christians. They also carried out the inquisitions the Salem witch trials, The KKK, The terrorist groups in Ireland as well as all the mediaval indignities and atrocities they were the very creators of the Dak Age. Which at such time the Islamic Golden Age was liberating most humans.Yet, the UB has a memory lapse of sorts claiming Islam as militant i simply ridiculous do you not know tht during the crusades it was usual for Christians to conquer and kill/behead those captured but it is HISTORIC FACT that most of the times Islamic conquerors allowed those captured to be ransomed and allowed their lives to continue.
8th Century
711
Muslim armies invade and occupy most of Spain (At this time Jews made up about 8% of Spain's population). Under Christian rule, Jews had been subject to frequent and intense persecution, but this was alleviated under Muslim rule. Some mark this as the beginning of the Golden age of Jewish culture in Spain.11th century
1095–1291
Christian Crusades begin, sparking warfare with Islam in Palestine. Crusaders temporarily capture Jerusalem in 1099. Tens of thousands of Jews are killed by European crusaders throughout Europe and in the Middle East.I have said this from the beginning with you other worldly beings would have been aware of these facts
Bodhitharta, you are correct, Christianity is guilty of all those things and more. Frankly, so called “scripture breathed by God” (but actually written by religious men) has been used to justify many atrocities in many religions. The OT was history revisionism written to justify atrocities as if God condoned it.The UB makes quite clear that the Christian religion is a mere shaddow of the original gospel of Jesus. Jesus NEVER taught, practiced or even suggested that his message be expanded by force of violence.
Colter
Quote (Colter @ Sep. 09 2013,12:07) Quote (bodhitharta @ Sep. 09 2013,11:38) Quote (Colter @ Sep. 09 2013,11:00) Bodhitharta, I have already addressed those issues before.
* The creator Son took on the flesh during his incarnation, it was the flesh that died on the cross. He resurrected a likeness of himself.
* Western values means Jewish, Greek and Roman idealism. When the first Christian missionaries attempted to proselytize in Arabia they encountered resistance based on their monogamous customs and other moral practices.
* I have explained many times, because of the lovable, giving nature of the Universal Father, he gave all of himself that he could give in his duplicate Creator Sons while still maintaing control.
Colter
It's funny you keep trying to put a peaceful puritanical face on Christians are you not aware that Christians have by far shed more blood than any known group of people. They killed/slaughtered the indians of America almost to extinction, thy Tortured and enslaved Africans killing an almost imaginable number most likely several times greater than the Holocaust which was also carried out by Christians, the word Crusade and terms Holy War were created by Christians. They also carried out the inquisitions the Salem witch trials, The KKK, The terrorist groups in Ireland as well as all the mediaval indignities and atrocities they were the very creators of the Dak Age. Which at such time the Islamic Golden Age was liberating most humans.Yet, the UB has a memory lapse of sorts claiming Islam as militant i simply ridiculous do you not know tht during the crusades it was usual for Christians to conquer and kill/behead those captured but it is HISTORIC FACT that most of the times Islamic conquerors allowed those captured to be ransomed and allowed their lives to continue.
8th Century
711
Muslim armies invade and occupy most of Spain (At this time Jews made up about 8% of Spain's population). Under Christian rule, Jews had been subject to frequent and intense persecution, but this was alleviated under Muslim rule. Some mark this as the beginning of the Golden age of Jewish culture in Spain.11th century
1095–1291
Christian Crusades begin, sparking warfare with Islam in Palestine. Crusaders temporarily capture Jerusalem in 1099. Tens of thousands of Jews are killed by European crusaders throughout Europe and in the Middle East.I have said this from the beginning with you other worldly beings would have been aware of these facts
Bodhitharta, you are correct, Christianity is guilty of all those things and more. Frankly, so called “scripture breathed by God” (but actually written by religious men) has been used to justify many atrocities in many religions. The OT was history revisionism written to justify atrocities as if God condoned it.The UB makes quite clear that the Christian religion is a mere shaddow of the original gospel of Jesus. Jesus NEVER taught, practiced or even suggested that his message be expanded by force of violence.
Colter
Yes, but it reports this about Islam when in-fact the Christians initiated the agression against the Muslims. I think it would be more credible had the Urantia Book been written more objectively this is why I see it the way I do it's the lack of objectivity plus one of the original council was a writer on eugenics(race supremacy) and you can see traces of eugenics in the UB although it is a false and harmful pseudoscienceQuote (bodhitharta @ Sep. 09 2013,14:24) Quote (Colter @ Sep. 09 2013,12:07) Quote (bodhitharta @ Sep. 09 2013,11:38) Quote (Colter @ Sep. 09 2013,11:00) Bodhitharta, I have already addressed those issues before.
* The creator Son took on the flesh during his incarnation, it was the flesh that died on the cross. He resurrected a likeness of himself.
* Western values means Jewish, Greek and Roman idealism. When the first Christian missionaries attempted to proselytize in Arabia they encountered resistance based on their monogamous customs and other moral practices.
* I have explained many times, because of the lovable, giving nature of the Universal Father, he gave all of himself that he could give in his duplicate Creator Sons while still maintaing control.
Colter
It's funny you keep trying to put a peaceful puritanical face on Christians are you not aware that Christians have by far shed more blood than any known group of people. They killed/slaughtered the indians of America almost to extinction, thy Tortured and enslaved Africans killing an almost imaginable number most likely several times greater than the Holocaust which was also carried out by Christians, the word Crusade and terms Holy War were created by Christians. They also carried out the inquisitions the Salem witch trials, The KKK, The terrorist groups in Ireland as well as all the mediaval indignities and atrocities they were the very creators of the Dak Age. Which at such time the Islamic Golden Age was liberating most humans.Yet, the UB has a memory lapse of sorts claiming Islam as militant i simply ridiculous do you not know tht during the crusades it was usual for Christians to conquer and kill/behead those captured but it is HISTORIC FACT that most of the times Islamic conquerors allowed those captured to be ransomed and allowed their lives to continue.
8th Century
711
Muslim armies invade and occupy most of Spain (At this time Jews made up about 8% of Spain's population). Under Christian rule, Jews had been subject to frequent and intense persecution, but this was alleviated under Muslim rule. Some mark this as the beginning of the Golden age of Jewish culture in Spain.11th century
1095–1291
Christian Crusades begin, sparking warfare with Islam in Palestine. Crusaders temporarily capture Jerusalem in 1099. Tens of thousands of Jews are killed by European crusaders throughout Europe and in the Middle East.I have said this from the beginning with you other worldly beings would have been aware of these facts
Bodhitharta, you are correct, Christianity is guilty of all those things and more. Frankly, so called “scripture breathed by God” (but actually written by religious men) has been used to justify many atrocities in many religions. The OT was history revisionism written to justify atrocities as if God condoned it.The UB makes quite clear that the Christian religion is a mere shaddow of the original gospel of Jesus. Jesus NEVER taught, practiced or even suggested that his message be expanded by force of violence.
Colter
Yes, but it reports this about Islam when in-fact the Christians initiated the agression against the Muslims. I think it would be more credible had the Urantia Book been written more objectively this is why I see it the way I do it's the lack of objectivity plus one of the original council was a writer on eugenics(race supremacy) and you can see traces of eugenics in the UB although it is a false and harmful pseudoscience
The Quran promotes violence against nonbelivers in an open ended way. Students of the Quran, within various sects of Islam, are still killing non believers indiscriminately today. They even kill each other.If you had actually read the UB and knew what it says about eugenics, you would know that it says man is not capable of making genetic determinations at this point. Also, due to the atrocities committed by people like the Nazi's, eugenic research stalled.
Colter
Quote (Colter @ Sep. 09 2013,21:57) Quote (bodhitharta @ Sep. 09 2013,14:24) Quote (Colter @ Sep. 09 2013,12:07) Quote (bodhitharta @ Sep. 09 2013,11:38) Quote (Colter @ Sep. 09 2013,11:00) Bodhitharta, I have already addressed those issues before.
* The creator Son took on the flesh during his incarnation, it was the flesh that died on the cross. He resurrected a likeness of himself.
* Western values means Jewish, Greek and Roman idealism. When the first Christian missionaries attempted to proselytize in Arabia they encountered resistance based on their monogamous customs and other moral practices.
* I have explained many times, because of the lovable, giving nature of the Universal Father, he gave all of himself that he could give in his duplicate Creator Sons while still maintaing control.
Colter
It's funny you keep trying to put a peaceful puritanical face on Christians are you not aware that Christians have by far shed more blood than any known group of people. They killed/slaughtered the indians of America almost to extinction, thy Tortured and enslaved Africans killing an almost imaginable number most likely several times greater than the Holocaust which was also carried out by Christians, the word Crusade and terms Holy War were created by Christians. They also carried out the inquisitions the Salem witch trials, The KKK, The terrorist groups in Ireland as well as all the mediaval indignities and atrocities they were the very creators of the Dak Age. Which at such time the Islamic Golden Age was liberating most humans.Yet, the UB has a memory lapse of sorts claiming Islam as militant i simply ridiculous do you not know tht during the crusades it was usual for Christians to conquer and kill/behead those captured but it is HISTORIC FACT that most of the times Islamic conquerors allowed those captured to be ransomed and allowed their lives to continue.
8th Century
711
Muslim armies invade and occupy most of Spain (At this time Jews made up about 8% of Spain's population). Under Christian rule, Jews had been subject to frequent and intense persecution, but this was alleviated under Muslim rule. Some mark this as the beginning of the Golden age of Jewish culture in Spain.11th century
1095–1291
Christian Crusades begin, sparking warfare with Islam in Palestine. Crusaders temporarily capture Jerusalem in 1099. Tens of thousands of Jews are killed by European crusaders throughout Europe and in the Middle East.I have said this from the beginning with you other worldly beings would have been aware of these facts
Bodhitharta, you are correct, Christianity is guilty of all those things and more. Frankly, so called “scripture breathed by God” (but actually written by religious men) has been used to justify many atrocities in many religions. The OT was history revisionism written to justify atrocities as if God condoned it.The UB makes quite clear that the Christian religion is a mere shaddow of the original gospel of Jesus. Jesus NEVER taught, practiced or even suggested that his message be expanded by force of violence.
Colter
Yes, but it reports this about Islam when in-fact the Christians initiated the agression against the Muslims. I think it would be more credible had the Urantia Book been written more objectively this is why I see it the way I do it's the lack of objectivity plus one of the original council was a writer on eugenics(race supremacy) and you can see traces of eugenics in the UB although it is a false and harmful pseudoscience
The Quran promotes violence against nonbelivers in an open ended way. Students of the Quran, within various sects of Islam, are still killing non believers indiscriminately today. They even kill each other.If you had actually read the UB and knew what it says about eugenics, you would know that it says man is not capable of making genetic determinations at this point. Also, due to the atrocities committed by people like the Nazi's, eugenic research stalled.
Colter
Yes, there is violence in The Quran and The Bible but somehow you find it Ideallistic to delete these things. The Quran explicitly states that at dirst they were not to fight then it was granted that they should fight against those agressors which were nonbelievers but it also sas that if the stop fighting you then you sould stop fighting them.When people pretend that God never condones violence it always raises the red flag to me that they have no idea about God these people are just humanitarians. Somepeople mean well like vegetarians or people who won't kill a fly.
Do you believe there is a time to Kill ifyou say no your entire theology is dead in the water since it hinges on MURDER, in your eyes NO MURDER no GOSPEL, right?
Answer to Boditharta, there was no murder in the original gospel of Jesus. For 3+ years the apostles didn't even realize that Jesus was leaving. So the gospel they taught COULD NOT have been the cross gospel of Paul's Christianity.
Secular governments have the rite to defend themselves, but religions are separate from government. Religion should never be advanced with force.
Colter
Quote (Colter @ Sep. 11 2013,13:29) Answer to Boditharta, there was no murder in the original gospel of Jesus. For 3+ years the apostles didn't even realize that Jesus was leaving. So the gospel they taught COULD NOT have been the cross gospel of Paul's Christianity. Secular governments have the rite to defend themselves, but religions are separate from government. Religion should never be advanced with force.
Colter
Then you shoul know that Islam forbids forcing religion on anyone:“Let there be no compulsion in religion. Truth has been made clear from error. Whoever rejects false worship and believes in God has grasped the most trustworthy handhold that never breaks. And God hears and knows all things.” (Quran 2:256)
“If it had been your Lord’s will, all of the people on Earth would have believed. Would you then compel the people so to have them believe?” (Quran 10:99)
“The Messenger’s duty is but to proclaim the Message.” (Quran 5:99)
If religion was forced on everyone there would be absolutely no Christian population in Islamic countries and guess what there are populaions of Christians in almost every predominant Islamic country. When you see violence and oppression in those places those are political people not religious people mos times it is the Muslims themselves protecting the Christians from those creating mischief and harm.
I speak the facts here and they can be verified easily, it is the same as racism I am a black man in America there are some who are racist but America doesn't stand for racism if America as a Country or political system hated black people there would be NONE left. The fact is MOST people are not racist nd likewise MOST MUSLIMS are peaceful God loving individuals, if they were all militant at this point there would most likely not be a human alive on the earth since thy make up about 30% of the population
Bodhitharta, Muslims such as yourself are obveously ashamed of the long, bloody history of the religion as well as its current, ongoing, widespread violence against others and each other. Your delusional attempt to obsolve the religious motives of Muslims by claiming it's political is for fools!
Colter
Quote (Colter @ Sep. 11 2013,21:55) Bodhitharta, Muslims such as yourself are obveously ashamed of the long, bloody history of the religion as well as its current, ongoing, widespread violence against others and each other. Your delusional attempt to obsolve the religious motives of Muslims by claiming it's political is for fools! Colter
What long bloody history? Don't just assert, PROVE!As I said before any believer in God who denies that God condones violence is not a believer at all.
Didn't you say you believe there was a War in Heaven, how does that happen without violence?
Quote (bodhitharta @ Sep. 12 2013,02:27) Quote (Colter @ Sep. 11 2013,21:55) Bodhitharta, Muslims such as yourself are obveously ashamed of the long, bloody history of the religion as well as its current, ongoing, widespread violence against others and each other. Your delusional attempt to obsolve the religious motives of Muslims by claiming it's political is for fools! Colter
What long bloody history? Don't just assert, PROVE!As I said before any believer in God who denies that God condones violence is not a believer at all.
Didn't you say you believe there was a War in Heaven, how does that happen without violence?
I assumed you were an educated man, but then I remembered that Muslims cover the truth about their past and present like a dysfunctional family lives in denial.We have proof of Muslim thinking in your own words:
Quote As I said before any believer in God who denies that God condones violence is not a believer at all. Man creates God in mans own image.
The “war in heaven” was ideological, Lucifer denied the existence of the I AM, he rebelled against the rule of Michael and his subordinates.
Colter
Quote (Colter @ Sep. 12 2013,03:36) Quote (bodhitharta @ Sep. 12 2013,02:27) Quote (Colter @ Sep. 11 2013,21:55) Bodhitharta, Muslims such as yourself are obveously ashamed of the long, bloody history of the religion as well as its current, ongoing, widespread violence against others and each other. Your delusional attempt to obsolve the religious motives of Muslims by claiming it's political is for fools! Colter
What long bloody history? Don't just assert, PROVE!As I said before any believer in God who denies that God condones violence is not a believer at all.
Didn't you say you believe there was a War in Heaven, how does that happen without violence?
I assumed you were an educated man, but then I remembered that Muslims cover the truth about their past and present like a dysfunctional family lives in denial.We have proof of Muslim thinking in your own words:
Quote As I said before any believer in God who denies that God condones violence is not a believer at all. Man creates God in mans own image.
The “war in heaven” was ideological, Lucifer denied the existence of the I AM, he rebelled against the rule of Michael and his subordinates.
Colter
So there was no actual war in heaven? Let me ask you were all cases of people being destroyed in the Bible a figure of speech like Sodom and Gomorrah for example?Quote (bodhitharta @ Sep. 12 2013,11:20) Quote (Colter @ Sep. 12 2013,03:36) Quote (bodhitharta @ Sep. 12 2013,02:27) Quote (Colter @ Sep. 11 2013,21:55) Bodhitharta, Muslims such as yourself are obveously ashamed of the long, bloody history of the religion as well as its current, ongoing, widespread violence against others and each other. Your delusional attempt to obsolve the religious motives of Muslims by claiming it's political is for fools! Colter
What long bloody history? Don't just assert, PROVE!As I said before any believer in God who denies that God condones violence is not a believer at all.
Didn't you say you believe there was a War in Heaven, how does that happen without violence?
I assumed you were an educated man, but then I remembered that Muslims cover the truth about their past and present like a dysfunctional family lives in denial.We have proof of Muslim thinking in your own words:
Quote As I said before any believer in God who denies that God condones violence is not a believer at all. Man creates God in mans own image.
The “war in heaven” was ideological, Lucifer denied the existence of the I AM, he rebelled against the rule of Michael and his subordinates.
Colter
So there was no actual war in heaven? Let me ask you were all cases of people being destroyed in the Bible a figure of speech like Sodom and Gomorrah for example?
Sodom and Gamorrah was hit by a meteoric debri field. it came in at an angle, clipped the alps and exploded over the erea.The war in heaven was over faith, authority and ideals. It was settled while Michael was on earth.
Colter
Quote (Colter @ Sep. 12 2013,12:29) Sodom and Gamorrah was hit by a meteoric debri field. it came in at an angle, clipped the alps and exploded over the erea. The war in heaven was over faith, authority and ideals. It was settled while Michael was on earth.
Colter
So are you saying that God has never punished anyone anywhere?Quote (bodhitharta @ Sep. 12 2013,13:50) Quote (Colter @ Sep. 12 2013,12:29) Sodom and Gamorrah was hit by a meteoric debri field. it came in at an angle, clipped the alps and exploded over the erea. The war in heaven was over faith, authority and ideals. It was settled while Michael was on earth.
Colter
So are you saying that God has never punished anyone anywhere?
No, that's a stupid question.Quote (Colter @ Sep. 12 2013,22:03) Quote (bodhitharta @ Sep. 12 2013,13:50) Quote (Colter @ Sep. 12 2013,12:29) Sodom and Gamorrah was hit by a meteoric debri field. it came in at an angle, clipped the alps and exploded over the erea. The war in heaven was over faith, authority and ideals. It was settled while Michael was on earth.
Colter
So are you saying that God has never punished anyone anywhere?
No, that's a stupid question.
Oh, so when is violence or punishment condoned by God?Quote (bodhitharta @ Sep. 13 2013,12:15) Quote (Colter @ Sep. 12 2013,22:03) Quote (bodhitharta @ Sep. 12 2013,13:50) Quote (Colter @ Sep. 12 2013,12:29) Sodom and Gamorrah was hit by a meteoric debri field. it came in at an angle, clipped the alps and exploded over the erea. The war in heaven was over faith, authority and ideals. It was settled while Michael was on earth.
Colter
So are you saying that God has never punished anyone anywhere?
No, that's a stupid question.
Oh, so when is violence or punishment condoned by God?
All men will eventually be judged, but primitive violence is the way of man. When the Jews wrote about their history they claimed God did many violent things when it was man who did them.Same with Islam, they are very violent people.
Colter
Quote (Colter @ Sep. 13 2013,12:53) Quote (bodhitharta @ Sep. 13 2013,12:15) Quote (Colter @ Sep. 12 2013,22:03) Quote (bodhitharta @ Sep. 12 2013,13:50) Quote (Colter @ Sep. 12 2013,12:29) Sodom and Gamorrah was hit by a meteoric debri field. it came in at an angle, clipped the alps and exploded over the erea. The war in heaven was over faith, authority and ideals. It was settled while Michael was on earth.
Colter
So are you saying that God has never punished anyone anywhere?
No, that's a stupid question.
Oh, so when is violence or punishment condoned by God?
All men will eventually be judged, but primitive violence is the way of man. When the Jews wrote about their history they claimed God did many violent things when it was man who did them.Same with Islam, they are very violent people.
Colter
So are you saying God never condones violence? You say men will be judged what does that mean? Will any meet with a violent end and if so why?Quote (bodhitharta @ Sep. 13 2013,13:47) Quote (Colter @ Sep. 13 2013,12:53) Quote (bodhitharta @ Sep. 13 2013,12:15) Quote (Colter @ Sep. 12 2013,22:03) Quote (bodhitharta @ Sep. 12 2013,13:50) Quote (Colter @ Sep. 12 2013,12:29) Sodom and Gamorrah was hit by a meteoric debri field. it came in at an angle, clipped the alps and exploded over the erea. The war in heaven was over faith, authority and ideals. It was settled while Michael was on earth.
Colter
So are you saying that God has never punished anyone anywhere?
No, that's a stupid question.
Oh, so when is violence or punishment condoned by God?
All men will eventually be judged, but primitive violence is the way of man. When the Jews wrote about their history they claimed God did many violent things when it was man who did them.Same with Islam, they are very violent people.
Colter
So are you saying God never condones violence? You say men will be judged what does that mean? Will any meet with a violent end and if so why?
If people don't want to grow up and become like the Father, following his will in the plan of progression, then they don't awake from the sleep of death. They are erased from existence.But God is not the genocidal monster portrayed in the OT.
Colter
Quote (Colter @ Sep. 13 2013,14:16) Quote (bodhitharta @ Sep. 13 2013,13:47) Quote (Colter @ Sep. 13 2013,12:53) Quote (bodhitharta @ Sep. 13 2013,12:15) Quote (Colter @ Sep. 12 2013,22:03) Quote (bodhitharta @ Sep. 12 2013,13:50) Quote (Colter @ Sep. 12 2013,12:29) Sodom and Gamorrah was hit by a meteoric debri field. it came in at an angle, clipped the alps and exploded over the erea. The war in heaven was over faith, authority and ideals. It was settled while Michael was on earth.
Colter
So are you saying that God has never punished anyone anywhere?
No, that's a stupid question.
Oh, so when is violence or punishment condoned by God?
All men will eventually be judged, but primitive violence is the way of man. When the Jews wrote about their history they claimed God did many violent things when it was man who did them.Same with Islam, they are very violent people.
Colter
So are you saying God never condones violence? You say men will be judged what does that mean? Will any meet with a violent end and if so why?
If people don't want to grow up and become like the Father, following his will in the plan of progression, then they don't awake from the sleep of death. They are erased from existence.But God is not the genocidal monster portrayed in the OT.
Colter
Is erasing someone violent? It sounds violent I mean what if being in hell you can somehow still repent and get out but total annihilation is much more violent is this your belief?Annihilation is the most violent of all theories and the basis for ALL GENOCIDE
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