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Hi,
The JW belief that all men are forgiven at death is based on a false understanding of scripture esp Romans 6
Romans 6:7
For he that is dead is freed from sin.It is a variation on the universalism heresy shown here from Wikipedia
“In Christianity, Universalism refers to the belief that all humans will be saved from eternal damnation or annihilation in hell. A related doctrine, apokatastasis, is the belief that all moral beings will be reconciled to God, including Satan and his fallen angels. It is generally considered heresy by all the major branches of Christianity[citation needed]. In the Orthodox Church it is not heresy to hope that all may be saved, but to believe that God must save all things is heresy.”
Hi,
1 Peter 4
” 1Forasmuch then as Christ hath suffered for us in the flesh, arm yourselves likewise with the same mind: for he that hath suffered in the flesh hath ceased from sin;”Death stops us sinning and illness too focuses us away from our fleshly nature onto deeper things.
Hi ,
So Jw's believe that no matter what we do here all is forgiven at death. Thus, the defence of this foll, they will do anything to try to banish the punishment of the wicked from scripture.Quote It is generally considered heresy by all the major branches of Christianity[citation needed]. In the Orthodox Church it is not heresy to hope that all may be saved, but to believe that God must save all things is heresy.” Hey Nick!
The trinity is generally accepted by all the major branches of Christianity[citation needed]. In the Orthodox Church it is not heresy to believe in the trinity, and to believe that God is one in 3 is not heresy.”
Hi W,
Do “all the major branches of Christianity” have any relationship to the body of Christ?
If they did they would all at least abide in the Word of God?
Trinity is not taught in the Word of God.
Whom do we serve-God or men and their traditions?Quote It is generally considered heresy by all the major branches of Christianity[citation needed]. In the Orthodox Church it is not heresy to hope that all may be saved, but to believe that God must save all things is heresy.” I guess you missed my point!
You were inferring (unless I miss understood), to the major branches of Christianity to support your belief that Universalism is heresy. After all isnt that what all major branches of Christianity believes?
So we use the major branches of Christianity when it supports us as evidence but deny them when it dosnt support our belief.
Hi W,
The “major branches of Christianity” are irrelevant to the body of Christ in my view. They are rebellious daughters of a rebellious mother, the Whore of Babylon. We should not follow them. The road is narrow and few choose it.Something I would like to point out is the word universalism. Doesn't the word catholic mean universal in greek? If you read about the early church, all of them at one time if I am not mistaken came known as catholic. Even today, this church thinks they are right and the world is wrong. And why wouldn't they since they are the oldest known denomination. But they became blinded by the devil and eventually lost their way. They started to figure out God without the help of God. They relied on their own intellect and it led them down the road to creating doctrines and practices that were not of God.
Quote (david @ Nov. 04 2006,01:42) Seekingtruth, do you not see what I mean?
Sorry David, can't talk right now, I've opened my own can of worms… Just kidding.Any time you bring up controversial subjects (whether of God or man) you will have to defend yourself. And as I've suggested before my concern is that the JW's bring some of that on themselves by overemphasizing; controversial unprovable interpretations (cross, Michael, etc.) and/or rigid compliance to items best left to a persons conscience.
I don't understand the JW belief. Now, do they only believe that 144000 will be saved? What happens to all the rest?
Scripture points out that the 144,000 are of the tribes of Israel. It even names the tribes and how many from each.
But salvation is for as many as believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God and was crucified for our sin and rose from the dead. It is for those who are prepared to follow Him.
Quote I don't understand the JW belief. Now, do they only believe that 144000 will be saved? What happens to all the rest?
Hello Horsman.No. We believe the 144,000 are the annointed, Christ's brothers, those who will reign with Christ as “kings” and “judges” and “priests.”
We believe the number of those who will be saved are as the sands of the sea, unknown. But God has appointed certain ones to rule and judge over us, kind of like a jury of our peers. There's a thread on here that speak of the “holy ones” or saints. These are the ones who rule with Christ in the kingdom. They rule over the rest.david
i just like to remind you all that before you judge the Catholic Church because of course you all are all knowing “wrote the book backwards” i like to add that this church has lasted longer than any so called church since the times of the Peter the fisherman the follower of CHRIST the son of God son of Mary and guess what he did not even exist with God before he was born”Jesus christ”. God had a human son through holy Mary and there by saved all who believe in his teachings and of course obey because its easy to say i believe but yet live as the heart wishes and of course ending up in hell at the end.i know you all been taught that he preexcisted but its not true john the baaptist its says that he was sent by God but that does not mean he was in heaven before . you guyes read read and end up know where amazing but be hard head running in circles:)
Quote (chicano4571 @ Nov. 19 2006,05:54) i just like to remind you all that before you judge the Catholic Church because of course you all are all knowing “wrote the book backwards” i like to add that this church has lasted longer than any so called church since the times of the Peter the fisherman the follower of CHRIST the son of God son of Mary and guess what he did not even exist with God before he was born”Jesus christ”. God had a human son through holy Mary and there by saved all who believe in his teachings and of course obey because its easy to say i believe but yet live as the heart wishes and of course ending up in hell at the end.i know you all been taught that he preexcisted but its not true john the baaptist its says that he was sent by God but that does not mean he was in heaven before . you guyes read read and end up know where amazing but be hard head running in circles:)
Hi Chicano,Welcome.
Do you mind sharing what God has blessed you with to the edification of the body of Christ?
We do not claim to be all knowing as you say but YHWH says to seek him, so we seek him. Also, we see the need to preach Jesus Christ the Son of God much as the apostles did in their generation to those who did not believe that Jesus is the son of God as is my opinion that the Trinity asserts.I look forward to reading your posts and the scriptural defenses of your position. I also find interesting that you defend the Catholic Church while also saying that Jesus did not preexist. Interesting combo. Did I understand you correctly?
Quote (chicano4571 @ Nov. 19 2006,00:54) i just like to remind you all that before you judge the Catholic Church because of course you all are all knowing “wrote the book backwards” i like to add that this church has lasted longer than any so called church since the times of the Peter the fisherman the follower of CHRIST the son of God son of Mary and guess what he did not even exist with God before he was born”Jesus christ”. God had a human son through holy Mary and there by saved all who believe in his teachings and of course obey because its easy to say i believe but yet live as the heart wishes and of course ending up in hell at the end.i know you all been taught that he preexcisted but its not true john the baaptist its says that he was sent by God but that does not mean he was in heaven before . you guyes read read and end up know where amazing but be hard head running in circles:)
Hi chicano,
It is written that the whore will last until she is dealt with by God so this matter of survival should be no surprise to us.
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