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Hi again 942767.
We all have different opinions, All is of god, what you believe, and what I believe, is of God. “Consequently, then, to whom He will, He is merciful, yet whom He will, He is hardening”. (Ro.9:18) Also For God locks up all together in stubbornness, that He should be merciful to all. (Ro.11:32) So we don't have all knowledge, God is in control, he will see us through. “God is operating ALL according to the council of HIS will”. (Eph.1-11). God blessBlessings.
Quote (chosenone @ June 09 2008,08:03) Hi again 942767.
We all have different opinions, All is of god, what you believe, and what I believe, is of God. “Consequently, then, to whom He will, He is merciful, yet whom He will, He is hardening”. (Ro.9:18) Also For God locks up all together in stubbornness, that He should be merciful to all. (Ro.11:32) So we don't have all knowledge, God is in control, he will see us through. “God is operating ALL according to the council of HIS will”. (Eph.1-11). God blessBlessings.
Hi Chosenone:I am sorry your opinion nor mine matters, but it is the Word of God that matters.
I want the very best that God has to offer for you and I am praying for you that God will give you revelation knowlede of the truth, but if you are not willing to admit when God shows you that you are wrong through His Word, then it will not do any good. You want to rely on your opinion rather than on what he has shown you.
God Bless
Hi 942767, I agree, you are right, It is the word of God that matters… “that we rely on the living God, Who is the saviour of ALL mankind, especially of believers”. (1Tim. 4:10-11)
Blessings.
Hi CO,
One misunderstood verse does not make sound doctrine.
The WE Paul wrote to does not include ALL.
ALL must repent.Hi CO,
1Tim 4.10
10 For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour[4990] of all men, specially of those that believe.Number 4990
Transliteration:
soter {so-tare'}
Word Origin:
from 4982
TDNT:
7:1003,1132
Part of Speech:
noun masculine
Usage in the KJV:
Saviour 24Total: 24
Definition:
saviour, deliverer, preserver The name was given by the ancients to deities, esp. tutelary deities, to princes, kings, and in general to men who had conferred signal benefits upon their country, and in more degenerate days by the way of flattery to personages of influenceSo SAVIOUR has many possible applications.
ALL MEN do benefit from the kindness of our God.
He is love and sends his rain on the good and evil alike
Did you think it should mean ETERNAL SALVATION in this verse?Quote (chosenone @ June 09 2008,08:23) Hi 942767, I agree, you are right, It is the word of God that matters… “that we rely on the living God, Who is the saviour of ALL mankind, especially of believers”. (1Tim. 4:10-11) Blessings.
Hi Chosenone:I love you and I want the very best that God has to offer for you and your family.
We must learn humility and one way that we do this is that when we make a mistake that we admit it and ask God to forgive us. We all make mistakes.
Quote 1Jo 1:6 If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth:
1Jo 1:7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.
1Jo 1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
1Jo 1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us [our] sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
1Jo 1:10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.Quote 1Pe 5:5 Likewise, ye younger, submit yourselves unto the elder. Yea, all [of you] be subject one to another, and be clothed with humility: for God resisteth the proud, and giveth grace to the humble. One other bit of advice that I can give you out of my love for you is that if you are going to teach God's Word alway leave room for the possibility that you may be wrong and be willing to be corrected if it is the Word of God correcting you. Is it not better to be corrected than to continue teaching something that is not true?
Those who are teaching God's Word will be judged more severly than others because if they are teaching false doctrines they are subject to lead others astray.
The folloiwing verse is from the NLT:
Quote Jam 3:1 Dear brothers and sisters,[fn1] not many of you should become teachers in the church, for we who teach will be judged by God with greater strictness. One cannot teach others until one is first taught himself.
Anyway, God Bless
I am not a teacher, I have not taught in any capacity, so I can't be teaching false doctrine. I do express my opinion in this website, and have stated that I am not infallible and may be in error at some time, like everyone else. I usually quote scripture when explaining my understanding of scripture, and would appreciate any specific point I made, scripture included, that anyone thinks is false. This would certainly help me to correct my misunderstanding. Just making a general statement that my opinion is false teaching, helps me not at all.
Thank you.Blessings.
Quote (chosenone @ June 09 2008,15:55) I am not a teacher, I have not taught in any capacity, so I can't be teaching false doctrine. I do express my opinion in this website, and have stated that I am not infallible and may be in error at some time, like everyone else. I usually quote scripture when explaining my understanding of scripture, and would appreciate any specific point I made, scripture included, that anyone thinks is false. This would certainly help me to correct my misunderstanding. Just making a general statement that my opinion is false teaching, helps me not at all.
Thank you.Blessings.
Hi Chosenone:We just finished discussing that you apparently misunderstood that the gospels were intended solely for the Jews, and I have shown you by the Word of God that is not the case but that the gospels are for all nations. Not my opinion but what the Word of God states.
God Bless
Hi 942767.
Sorry, I must have missed that. Would you mind showing me again where it says the “Gospels are for all nations”. Thanks.Blessings.
Quote (chosenone @ June 09 2008,16:14) Hi 942767.
Sorry, I must have missed that. Would you mind showing me again where it says the “Gospels are for all nations”. Thanks.Blessings.
Hi Chosenone:Quote Mat 28:18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth. Mat 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
Mat 28:20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, [even] unto the end of the world. Amen.
God Bless
How about Math.15:24 “I (Jesus) was NOT commissioned except for the lost sheep of the house of Israeal”?
Also Math.10:5-6 These twelve Jesus commissions, charging them, saying, “Into a road of the nations you may not pass forth, and into a city of the Samaritans you may not be entering.
6 Yet be going rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.Contradiction?
Blessings
Quote (chosenone @ June 09 2008,16:31) How about Math.15:24 “I (Jesus) was NOT commissioned except for the lost sheep of the house of Israeal”? Also Math.10:5-6 These twelve Jesus commissions, charging them, saying, “Into a road of the nations you may not pass forth, and into a city of the Samaritans you may not be entering.
6 Yet be going rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.Contradiction?
Blessings
No, no contradiction.God Bless
Quote (942767 @ June 10 2008,11:35) Quote (chosenone @ June 09 2008,16:31) How about Math.15:24 “I (Jesus) was NOT commissioned except for the lost sheep of the house of Israeal”? Also Math.10:5-6 These twelve Jesus commissions, charging them, saying, “Into a road of the nations you may not pass forth, and into a city of the Samaritans you may not be entering.
6 Yet be going rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.Contradiction?
Blessings
No, no contradiction.God Bless
I probably should have made my question clearer, I meant to say: Between the above quoted scriptures and Math.28:19. Where Math. 10:5-6 Jesus says they are not to go to the nations, and Math.28:19 He says they are to go to the nations.
That is what I intended when I stated “Contradiction?”Blessings.
Quote (chosenone @ June 10 2008,17:38) Quote (942767 @ June 10 2008,11:35) Quote (chosenone @ June 09 2008,16:31) How about Math.15:24 “I (Jesus) was NOT commissioned except for the lost sheep of the house of Israeal”? Also Math.10:5-6 These twelve Jesus commissions, charging them, saying, “Into a road of the nations you may not pass forth, and into a city of the Samaritans you may not be entering.
6 Yet be going rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.Contradiction?
Blessings
No, no contradiction.God Bless
I probably should have made my question clearer, I meant to say: Between the above quoted scriptures and Math.28:19. Where Math. 10:5-6 Jesus says they are not to go to the nations, and Math.28:19 He says they are to go to the nations.
That is what I intended when I stated “Contradiction?”Blessings.
No contradiction here…remember…when those words were said Christ had not yet established the new convenant…simply put He was there for the “lost sheep of Israel”..but they rejected him…and still do down unto this day.. So because of that rejection he made a way for all the nations (gentiles) remember this scripture:John 10:16 (New International Version)- 16 I have other sheep that are not of this sheep pen. I must bring them also. They too will listen to my voice, and there shall be one flock and one shepherd.
At this time Jesus opened up the way for ALL men…
So again no contradiction…just a need to look closer into the events and timeline of Jesus ministry
Hi DK, I agree, there is no contradiction. Jesus' ministry was to the Jews (Matt.15:24) and only to them. After His crucifiction and He was still rejected by the Jews, God turned to the “nations”. Jesus commissiond Paul to give the message to them, the nations.
I was just trying to make the point that Jesus' ministry in that era was to Israeal only (again Matt.15:24).Blessings.
Universal salvation.
AS GOD is the Saviour of all mankind, especially of those who believe (1 Tim.4:10), we may confidently rest on one grand and glorious foundation truth–that all salvation is of God, and neither believer nor unbeliever has any part in it. On the one hand this assures us of the possibility of saving all men, for God alone is able, and, on the other, it bars out all human schemes for their restoration, whether by works, or suffering, by giving them a second chance, or by any cause whatever which originates in man. Those who believe are saved by His grace (Rom.4:16); those who do not believe are saved through His judgments, but in both it is He alone Who is Saviour.
Faith is but the channel of grace; it does not produce salvation. Judgment is but a means He uses, a process which leads to the opening of the unbeliever’s eyes. It does not remove his guilt or cleanse a single sin. That is done wholly and solely by the blood of Christ. Every effort to bring about the ultimate salvation of all through the purgatorial or penitential sufferings of the sinner is a denial of this great truth. Judgments do not save, but the God Who judges is also the Saviour, and all His dealings with mankind are governed by the grand goal which He has set before Him–to become All in all His creatures.
In setting forth the process by means of which God brings the unbeliever back to Himself we must remember that few believers are able to analyze the method used in their own salvation. Now, if we are not able to explain our own experience, how shall we understand His method with others? Yet, strange as it may seem, God’s dealings with the unbeliever are much more easily apprehended than His way with us. The very simplicity of faith baffles us. Most theological systems seek to base belief on evidence, and speak of “Christian evidences” as the foundation of the believer’s salvation. This is, rather, the method He uses in the deliverance of the unbeliever.Blessings.
Hi CO,
2 Corinthians 5:19
To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.Christ ministered God's forgiveness.
We follow.Quote (dirtyknections @ June 11 2008,01:47) Quote (chosenone @ June 10 2008,17:38) Quote (942767 @ June 10 2008,11:35) Quote (chosenone @ June 09 2008,16:31) How about Math.15:24 “I (Jesus) was NOT commissioned except for the lost sheep of the house of Israeal”? Also Math.10:5-6 These twelve Jesus commissions, charging them, saying, “Into a road of the nations you may not pass forth, and into a city of the Samaritans you may not be entering.
6 Yet be going rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.Contradiction?
Blessings
No, no contradiction.God Bless
I probably should have made my question clearer, I meant to say: Between the above quoted scriptures and Math.28:19. Where Math. 10:5-6 Jesus says they are not to go to the nations, and Math.28:19 He says they are to go to the nations.
That is what I intended when I stated “Contradiction?”Blessings.
No contradiction here…remember…when those words were said Christ had not yet established the new convenant…simply put He was there for the “lost sheep of Israel”..but they rejected him…and still do down unto this day.. So because of that rejection he made a way for all the nations (gentiles) remember this scripture:John 10:16 (New International Version)- 16 I have other sheep that are not of this sheep pen. I must bring them also. They too will listen to my voice, and there shall be one flock and one shepherd.
At this time Jesus opened up the way for ALL men…
So again no contradiction…just a need to look closer into the events and timeline of Jesus ministry
Amen. No contradiction.Chosenone ….. I agree that God will ultimately save all His creation. By His power to be in all things. And salvation is not a matter of Mans so called (free will) it”s a matter of God's WILL. I think the biggest problem is that Man does not see the the absolute Sovereignty of God and there in lies the Problem. Man wants to think his salvation if up to Himself by His own choices.
good post……….gene
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