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[bodhitharta]

Wrong thread for this. This thread is for understanding T8.

Nothing personal JA

[Stu]

Quote (JustAskin @ Sep. 26 2010,04:12)

t8, I think that the emphasis is on Stu's “Attempt” at intelligent conversation. Stu avoids all requests to explain anything that causes Chemical Elements to attain Intelligence. Wonder why? Stir, boil, mix, – or perhaps Shaken, not stirred, the primordial soup and see how many BILLIONS of years before it turns into intelligence? And for what purpose, what reason, WHY? Stu,  WHY? I asked you this before but you cannot answer – you said there was no intelligence in the question : “Why?” I can answer for you but you will say that you already know (But Nart garna teh–ell !!) Like you know how long [the shortest] piece of string is but you won't say….yeah right!!  I even offered to give the answer – remember?

There is no scientific theory for abiogenesis, although I would say the kind of chemistry that happened has been as well-explained as it is ever likely to be, unless fossil evidence comes to light that contains preserved 4 billion year old replicating molecules.

Now, perhaps you can tell us how your Imginary Friend produced life. You should give details at least equivalent to the best scientific speculation, for example how micelles contained replicating molecules and their nutrients… unless you want to give us a detailed account of breathing into dirt as a way of making humans.

Get back to us when you can ask a why question that parses correctly in English.

Stuart

[Stu]

Quote (bodhitharta @ Sep. 26 2010,06:30)

Wrong thread for this. This thread is for understanding T8. Nothing personal JA

We are working through the issues BD. Understanding t8 includes many factors besides the ones you posted.

Stuart

[bodhitharta]

Quote (Stu @ Sep. 26 2010,08:58)

Quote (bodhitharta @ Sep. 26 2010,06:30) Wrong thread for this. This thread is for understanding T8. Nothing personal JA We are working through the issues BD.  Understanding t8 includes many factors besides the ones you posted. Stuart

If it is your desire to continue I will step aside.

God Bless!

[bodhitharta]

T8

So what you're saying is that GOD is not the number one priority?

Do you not understand that the first commandment is to Love GOD with all your Heart, Soul, and Mind? Yet you place Jesus above God knowing that Jesus is not God.

If you didn't know that Jesus was not God what I am saying could be dismissed but you do know and when God is the MAIN concern that belief is the Paramount One because as Jesus said:

Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
Matthew 7:20-22

But 80% of all the discussions are focused on whom God sent and not GOD ALMIGHTY and this is where you seem to have misplaced your devotion to God.

Now you know I have often found myself in agreement with you and hence there is usually no real debate on most matters more miscommunication than actual debate:

Nevertheless I have somewhat against thee, because thou hast left thy first love.
Revelation 2:3-5

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Quote (bodhitharta @ Sep. 26 2010,03:04)

T8, Don't you think when I questioned him about it he could have simply said “No”?

Not defending him. Just being honest and saying that when I read that statement, your interpretation doesn't jump out at me. I see it as he says it is. Pure and simple. I have no bias or agenda with this.

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Quote (bodhitharta @ Sep. 26 2010,11:02)

T8 So what you're saying is that GOD is not the number one priority?

Absolutely God is priority. But that is taken for granted and believers are those that believe the message and messenger that God has sent. It is not a term in scripture to identify anyone that believes in an Almighty as opposed to an Atheist who denies such.

I think you might find that Atheism is a relatively recent idea that has become popular in these days, so yes the word “believer” in this context today can be someone who believes in God. I imagine that 2000 or more years ago, that Atheism wasn't an issue.

1 John 1:5-7
This is the message we have heard from him and declare to you: God is light; in him there is no darkness at all. 6If we claim to have fellowship with him yet walk in the darkness, we lie and do not live by the truth. But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus, his Son, purifies us from all sin.

John 3:16-18
16″For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son,[a] that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. 17For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him. 18Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because he has not believed in the name of God's one and only Son.

Romans 10:16
But not all the Israelites accepted the good news. For Isaiah says, “Lord, who has believed our message?”

Do a study on the word “believer” or “believe” in scripture. It is not defined as meaning to believe in God. I don't think that was even a debate.

[Ed J]

Quote (t8 @ Sep. 26 2010,15:38)

Quote (bodhitharta @ Sep. 26 2010,11:02) T8 So what you're saying is that GOD is not the number one priority? Absolutely God is priority. But that is taken for granted and believers are those that believe the message and messenger that God has sent. It is not a term in scripture to identify anyone that believes in an Almighty as opposed to an Atheist who denies such. I think you might find that Atheism is a relatively recent idea that has become popular in these days, so yes the word “believer” in this context today can be someone who believes in God. I imagine that 2000 or more years ago, that Atheism wasn't an issue. 1 John 1:5-7 This is the message we have heard from him and declare to you: God is light; in him there is no darkness at all. 6If we claim to have fellowship with him yet walk in the darkness, we lie and do not live by the truth. But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus, his Son, purifies us from all sin. John 3:16-18 16″For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son,[a] that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. 17For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him. 18Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because he has not believed in the name of God's one and only Son. Romans 10:16 But not all the Israelites accepted the good news. For Isaiah says, “Lord, who has believed our message?” Do a study on the word “believer” or “believe” in scripture. It is not defined as meaning to believe in God. I don't think that was even a debate.

Hi T8,

Good Point!

James 2:19 Thou believest that there is one God;
thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.
Would devils also (according to BD) be considered believers?

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[bodhitharta]

Quote (Ed J @ Sep. 26 2010,17:58)

Quote (t8 @ Sep. 26 2010,15:38) Quote (bodhitharta @ Sep. 26 2010,11:02) T8 So what you're saying is that GOD is not the number one priority? Absolutely God is priority. But that is taken for granted and believers are those that believe the message and messenger that God has sent. It is not a term in scripture to identify anyone that believes in an Almighty as opposed to an Atheist who denies such. I think you might find that Atheism is a relatively recent idea that has become popular in these days, so yes the word “believer” in this context today can be someone who believes in God. I imagine that 2000 or more years ago, that Atheism wasn't an issue. 1 John 1:5-7 This is the message we have heard from him and declare to you: God is light; in him there is no darkness at all. 6If we claim to have fellowship with him yet walk in the darkness, we lie and do not live by the truth. But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus, his Son, purifies us from all sin. John 3:16-18 16″For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son,[a] that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. 17For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him. 18Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because he has not believed in the name of God's one and only Son. Romans 10:16 But not all the Israelites accepted the good news. For Isaiah says, “Lord, who has believed our message?” Do a study on the word “believer” or “believe” in scripture. It is not defined as meaning to believe in God. I don't think that was even a debate. Hi T8, Good Point! James 2:19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble. Would devils also (according to BD) be considered believers? God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

ED,

Satan believes in God and knows that he will be getting the final punishment awaiting him.

So disobedience is not disbelief.

Did you say that you were God?

[bodhitharta]

Quote (t8 @ Sep. 26 2010,15:38)

Quote (bodhitharta @ Sep. 26 2010,11:02) T8 So what you're saying is that GOD is not the number one priority? Absolutely God is priority. But that is taken for granted and believers are those that believe the message and messenger that God has sent. It is not a term in scripture to identify anyone that believes in an Almighty as opposed to an Atheist who denies such. I think you might find that Atheism is a relatively recent idea that has become popular in these days, so yes the word “believer” in this context today can be someone who believes in God. I imagine that 2000 or more years ago, that Atheism wasn't an issue. 1 John 1:5-7 This is the message we have heard from him and declare to you: God is light; in him there is no darkness at all. 6If we claim to have fellowship with him yet walk in the darkness, we lie and do not live by the truth. But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus, his Son, purifies us from all sin. John 3:16-18 16″For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son,[a] that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. 17For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him. 18Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because he has not believed in the name of God's one and only Son. Romans 10:16 But not all the Israelites accepted the good news. For Isaiah says, “Lord, who has believed our message?” Do a study on the word “believer” or “believe” in scripture. It is not defined as meaning to believe in God. I don't think that was even a debate.

Was that your attempt at getting around the point?

We are talking about BELIEF in GOD and what it means to believe in God.

You say that Muhammad is not a messenger of God based on your own personal opinion.

So if you cannot start from LOVING GOD with ALL your heart, soul and mind you are already starting from a weak point.

If you had never heard of Jesus or Muhammad you still could know that God exists

Romans 1:20 (King James Version)
20For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

But you have decided to worship the created:

Romans 1:23 (King James Version)
23And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.

You don't put God first

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