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Quote (Stu @ Sep. 25 2010,20:09) It is a matter of opinion as to what evidence you will find convincing… Stuart
Hi Stuart,I know, that's why you so easily dismiss the evidence I have produced for you,
and will continue to produce; but you seem to be missing in action from the proof thread.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Stu @ Sep. 25 2010,20:11) Quote (Ed J @ Sep. 25 2010,20:06) Quote (Stu @ Sep. 25 2010,20:02) Quote (Ed J @ Sep. 25 2010,19:55) Quote (Stu @ Sep. 25 2010,19:42) t8 Quote So when atheists curse God because of the inquisition, hangings, war, and being burned with fire, they are unable to see that they are part of the deception because they fail to see that a true believer is one who does not murder, hate, or lie. And a true believer helps the poor, feeds the hungry, and loves his fellow man. A true believer certainly does not burn someone to death or deceive. A true believer even pays taxes. Jesus taught clearly to render to Cesar what was his and to God what is his.
I don’t know any atheist who would really curse an imaginary being for the violence perpetrated by humans on other humans. That would be insane.Stuart
Hi Stuart,They (the Atheists) reason there is (according to Atheists) no God,
because He doesn't intervene in human atrocities being committed.
This is hardly proof against God, but it does Prove there's free will!God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Why does your god not intervene to stop atrocities? Perhaps it is malevolent, or not omnipotent, or non-existent!Do you have enough free will to leap tall buildings in a single bound, or are there limits to what you can will?
Stuart
Hi Stuart,See, you hold to this faulty belief as well, huh?
Do you have answers to those questions?Stuart
Hi Stuart,There's only one real question here, and you will dismiss the answer.
God can undo anything that man can do; which is the resurrection of the dead.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Ed J @ Sep. 25 2010,20:13) Quote (Stu @ Sep. 25 2010,20:09) It is a matter of opinion as to what evidence you will find convincing… Stuart
Hi Stuart,I know, that's why you so easily dismiss the evidence I have produced for you,
and will continue to produce; but you seem to be missing in action from the proof thread.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
The difference is that I did not put my fingers in my ears and shout “I can't hear you”. I heard you, and analysed what you had to say very carefully, and then explained to you why your evidence is not reliable (because there is no statistical effect: you are doing the choosing of the words yourself).You are just choosing to remain ignorant of what the evidence says about how you came to be. That is a shame really, because it is fascinating and more interesting than Bronze-Age Judeo-christian origin myths.
Stuart
Quote (Ed J @ Sep. 25 2010,20:18) Quote (Stu @ Sep. 25 2010,20:11) Quote (Ed J @ Sep. 25 2010,20:06) Quote (Stu @ Sep. 25 2010,20:02) Quote (Ed J @ Sep. 25 2010,19:55) Quote (Stu @ Sep. 25 2010,19:42) t8 Quote So when atheists curse God because of the inquisition, hangings, war, and being burned with fire, they are unable to see that they are part of the deception because they fail to see that a true believer is one who does not murder, hate, or lie. And a true believer helps the poor, feeds the hungry, and loves his fellow man. A true believer certainly does not burn someone to death or deceive. A true believer even pays taxes. Jesus taught clearly to render to Cesar what was his and to God what is his.
I don’t know any atheist who would really curse an imaginary being for the violence perpetrated by humans on other humans. That would be insane.Stuart
Hi Stuart,They (the Atheists) reason there is (according to Atheists) no God,
because He doesn't intervene in human atrocities being committed.
This is hardly proof against God, but it does Prove there's free will!God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Why does your god not intervene to stop atrocities? Perhaps it is malevolent, or not omnipotent, or non-existent!Do you have enough free will to leap tall buildings in a single bound, or are there limits to what you can will?
Stuart
Hi Stuart,See, you hold to this faulty belief as well, huh?
Do you have answers to those questions?Stuart
Hi Stuart,There's only one real question here, and you will dismiss the answer.
God can undo anything that man can do; which is the resurrection of the dead.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Not sure how I can reject something that means nothing.Stuart
Quote (Stu @ Sep. 25 2010,20:21) Quote (Ed J @ Sep. 25 2010,20:13) Quote (Stu @ Sep. 25 2010,20:09) It is a matter of opinion as to what evidence you will find convincing… Stuart
Hi Stuart,I know, that's why you so easily dismiss the evidence I have produced for you,
and will continue to produce; but you seem to be missing in action from the proof thread.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
The difference is that I did not put my fingers in my ears and shout “I can't hear you”. I heard you, and analysed what you had to say very carefully, and then explained to you why your evidence is not reliable (because there is no statistical effect: you are doing the choosing of the words yourself).You are just choosing to remain ignorant of what the evidence says about how you came to be. That is a shame really, because it is fascinating and more interesting than Bronze-Age Judeo-christian origin myths.
Stuart
Hi Stuart,You haven't heard enough evidence, you just kept prompting me for a closing statement
as an introduction statement, so you could dismiss the idea without even considering it's viability.
Therefore you are just choosing to remain ignorant of what the evidence says about how you came to be.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Stu @ Sep. 25 2010,20:22) Quote (Ed J @ Sep. 25 2010,20:18) Quote (Stu @ Sep. 25 2010,20:11) Quote (Ed J @ Sep. 25 2010,20:06) Quote (Stu @ Sep. 25 2010,20:02) Quote (Ed J @ Sep. 25 2010,19:55) Quote (Stu @ Sep. 25 2010,19:42) t8 Quote So when atheists curse God because of the inquisition, hangings, war, and being burned with fire, they are unable to see that they are part of the deception because they fail to see that a true believer is one who does not murder, hate, or lie. And a true believer helps the poor, feeds the hungry, and loves his fellow man. A true believer certainly does not burn someone to death or deceive. A true believer even pays taxes. Jesus taught clearly to render to Cesar what was his and to God what is his.
I don’t know any atheist who would really curse an imaginary being for the violence perpetrated by humans on other humans. That would be insane.Stuart
Hi Stuart,They (the Atheists) reason there is (according to Atheists) no God,
because He doesn't intervene in human atrocities being committed.
This is hardly proof against God, but it does Prove there's free will!God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Why does your god not intervene to stop atrocities? Perhaps it is malevolent, or not omnipotent, or non-existent!Do you have enough free will to leap tall buildings in a single bound, or are there limits to what you can will?
Stuart
Hi Stuart,See, you hold to this faulty belief as well, huh?
Do you have answers to those questions?Stuart
Hi Stuart,There's only one real question here, and you will dismiss the answer.
God can undo anything that man can do; which is the resurrection of the dead.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Not sure how I can reject something that means nothing.Stuart
Hi Stuart,Your statement is proof of your rejection.
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Ed J @ Sep. 25 2010,20:28) Quote (Stu @ Sep. 25 2010,20:21) Quote (Ed J @ Sep. 25 2010,20:13) Quote (Stu @ Sep. 25 2010,20:09) It is a matter of opinion as to what evidence you will find convincing… Stuart
Hi Stuart,I know, that's why you so easily dismiss the evidence I have produced for you,
and will continue to produce; but you seem to be missing in action from the proof thread.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
The difference is that I did not put my fingers in my ears and shout “I can't hear you”. I heard you, and analysed what you had to say very carefully, and then explained to you why your evidence is not reliable (because there is no statistical effect: you are doing the choosing of the words yourself).You are just choosing to remain ignorant of what the evidence says about how you came to be. That is a shame really, because it is fascinating and more interesting than Bronze-Age Judeo-christian origin myths.
Stuart
Hi Stuart,You haven't heard enough evidence, you just kept prompting me for a closing statement
as an introduction statement, so you could dismiss the idea without even considering it's viability.
Therefore you are just choosing to remain ignorant of what the evidence says about how you came to be.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
You evidence is that there are patterns in the numbers that result from applying a cypher to words. Without that key point, it does not actually matter what other patterns you claim to have. That first point, the patterns in the numbers has been shown to be falsified, and therefore your attention-seeking and long-winded unwinding of patterns based on non-patterns is irrelevant.Common descent of life on the other hand is evidence on the predictions that any newly discovered species will use DNA to carry its genetic code because all life shares a common ancestor. No new species has ever been discovered that does not use DNA, or the related molecule RNA. Of course you could try the line “a common designer uses common design”, but are you really prepared to stand by that when the going gets tough?
Chimpanzees and humans share a recent common ancestor (5 million years ago) and we know that because we can measure exactly how different their genomes are, compared with the differences with other more distantly-related species, and we find that retroviruses have left characteristic bits of their genes in the same genes in both species, but not in gorillas. Gorillas have other virus genes that are also shared by humans and chimpanzees, but there are no virus genes that are found in humans and gorillas but not chimpanzees. If there was no more evidence than that (they are called endogenous retroviruses) then the case would be closed for our common ancestry with the other great apes. Of course the evidence is far more extensive than that. How are you coping with it so far? I won't charge you for this free sample of evidence for evolution by natural selection.
Stuart
Quote (Stu @ Sep. 25 2010,20:42) That first point, the patterns in the numbers has been shown to be falsified… Stuart
Hi Stuart,What kind of naive ignorant statement is this?
Quote (Stu @ Sep. 25 2010,20:42) Common descent of life on the other hand is evidence on the predictions that any newly discovered species will use DNA to carry its genetic code because all life shares a common ancestor. No new species has ever been discovered that does not use DNA, or the related molecule RNA. Of course you could try the line “a common designer uses common design”, but are you really prepared to stand by that when the going gets tough? Chimpanzees and humans share a recent common ancestor (5 million years ago) and we know that because we can measure exactly how different their genomes are, compared with the differences with other more distantly-related species, and we find that retroviruses have left characteristic bits of their genes in the same genes in both species, but not in gorillas. Gorillas have other virus genes that are also shared by humans and chimpanzees, but there are no virus genes that are found in humans and gorillas but not chimpanzees. If there was no more evidence than that (they are called endogenous retroviruses) then the case would be closed for our common ancestry with the other great apes. Of course the evidence is far more extensive than that. How are you coping with it so far? I won't charge you for this free sample of evidence for evolution by natural selection.
Stuart
Hi Stuart,You assertions of monkey mischief are irreverent if you cannot answer the following…
Please explain how the universe can come from nothing exploding into order?
Also please explain how life can originate from non-life chemicals,
take you time, even if it takes you 5 million years to do so.So who's faith is it that really more far fetched Christians or Atheists such as yourself?
Witnessing to a worldwide audience in behalf of YHVH!
יהוה האלהים (JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm!
Ed J (Joshua 22:34 / Isaiah 49:16 / Isaiah 60:14)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org (Ecl.9:12-16)Quote (Ed J @ Sep. 25 2010,21:17) Quote (Stu @ Sep. 25 2010,20:42) That first point, the patterns in the numbers has been shown to be falsified… Stuart
Hi Stuart,What kind of naive ignorant statement is this?
Are you saying that your numerology is not based on supposed patterns in numbers derived from words?Stuart
Quote (Ed J @ Sep. 25 2010,21:36) Quote (Stu @ Sep. 25 2010,20:42) Common descent of life on the other hand is evidence on the predictions that any newly discovered species will use DNA to carry its genetic code because all life shares a common ancestor. No new species has ever been discovered that does not use DNA, or the related molecule RNA. Of course you could try the line “a common designer uses common design”, but are you really prepared to stand by that when the going gets tough? Chimpanzees and humans share a recent common ancestor (5 million years ago) and we know that because we can measure exactly how different their genomes are, compared with the differences with other more distantly-related species, and we find that retroviruses have left characteristic bits of their genes in the same genes in both species, but not in gorillas. Gorillas have other virus genes that are also shared by humans and chimpanzees, but there are no virus genes that are found in humans and gorillas but not chimpanzees. If there was no more evidence than that (they are called endogenous retroviruses) then the case would be closed for our common ancestry with the other great apes. Of course the evidence is far more extensive than that. How are you coping with it so far? I won't charge you for this free sample of evidence for evolution by natural selection.
Stuart
Hi Stuart,You assertions of monkey mischief are irreverent if you cannot answer the following…
Please explain how the universe can come from nothing exploding into order?
Also please explain how life can originate from non-life chemicals,
take you time, even if it takes you 5 million years to do so.So who's faith is it that really more far fetched Christians or Atheists such as yourself?
Witnessing to a worldwide audience in behalf of YHVH!
יהוה האלהים (JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm!
Ed J (Joshua 22:34 / Isaiah 49:16 / Isaiah 60:14)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org (Ecl.9:12-16)
What does the origin of the universe have to do with explaining the common descent of life on earth? What does the origin of life have to do with the pattern of common descent that is observed? What do you define as the difference between life and chemicals? You and I are made of chemical substances.Stuart
Quote (Stu @ Sep. 25 2010,21:50) Quote (Ed J @ Sep. 25 2010,21:17) Quote (Stu @ Sep. 25 2010,20:42) That first point, the patterns in the numbers has been shown to be falsified… Stuart
Hi Stuart,What kind of naive ignorant statement is this?
Are you saying that your numerology is not based on supposed patterns in numbers derived from words?Stuart
Hi Stuart,You're using English words, but you are not conveying any coherent meaning with them.
Quote (Stu @ Sep. 25 2010,21:53) Quote (Ed J @ Sep. 25 2010,21:36) Quote (Stu @ Sep. 25 2010,20:42) Common descent of life on the other hand is evidence on the predictions that any newly discovered species will use DNA to carry its genetic code because all life shares a common ancestor. No new species has ever been discovered that does not use DNA, or the related molecule RNA. Of course you could try the line “a common designer uses common design”, but are you really prepared to stand by that when the going gets tough? Chimpanzees and humans share a recent common ancestor (5 million years ago) and we know that because we can measure exactly how different their genomes are, compared with the differences with other more distantly-related species, and we find that retroviruses have left characteristic bits of their genes in the same genes in both species, but not in gorillas. Gorillas have other virus genes that are also shared by humans and chimpanzees, but there are no virus genes that are found in humans and gorillas but not chimpanzees. If there was no more evidence than that (they are called endogenous retroviruses) then the case would be closed for our common ancestry with the other great apes. Of course the evidence is far more extensive than that. How are you coping with it so far? I won't charge you for this free sample of evidence for evolution by natural selection.
Stuart
Hi Stuart,You assertions of monkey mischief are irreverent if you cannot answer the following…
Please explain how the universe can come from nothing exploding into order?
Also please explain how life can originate from non-life chemicals,
take you time, even if it takes you 5 million years to do so.So who's faith is it that really more far fetched Christians or Atheists such as yourself?
Witnessing to a worldwide audience in behalf of YHVH!
יהוה האלהים (JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm!
Ed J (Joshua 22:34 / Isaiah 49:16 / Isaiah 60:14)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org (Ecl.9:12-16)
What does the origin of the universe have to do with explaining the common descent of life on earth? What does the origin of life have to do with the pattern of common descent that is observed? What do you define as the difference between life and chemicals? You and I are made of chemical substances.Stuart
Hi Stuart,Because your house of cards falls apart without a solid foundation.
You are attempting to start in the middle of a story and misappropriate the FACTS!
If you cannot offer a reasonable explanation for my two questions, your point then becomes moot!Witnessing to the world in behalf of YHVH (Psalm 45:17)
יהוה האלהים (JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm!
Ed J (Joshua 22:34 / Isaiah 49:16 / Isaiah 60:14)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org (Ecl.9:12-16)Quote (Stu @ Sep. 25 2010,21:59) OK. Sorry I bothered you with an attempt at intelligent conversation. Stuart
Hi Stuart,What does the meanings of names have to do with numbers?
The idea is not how often numbers match to words,
but the significances of there tight Theological interlacing.
This, my friend, is the intelligent conversation that seems to allude your
evolutionary ape brain; incapable of keep up with my Created brain. (Isaiah 55:8-9 / 1Cor.2:11-14)Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Stu @ Sep. 25 2010,20:02) Why does your god not intervene to stop atrocities?
Free will. But free will also comes with a high price. Responsibility. In the end, it is why we will all be judged. Some to eternal life and others will be shamed.Quote (Stu @ Sep. 25 2010,21:59) OK. Sorry I bothered you with an attempt at intelligent conversation. Stuart
You may have attempted intelligent conversation, but it is the fool who says there is no God. However, free will means that people can choose to be foolish if they want.Quote (t8 @ Sep. 25 2010,17:22) Quote (bodhitharta @ Sep. 25 2010,09:35) For instance T8 will not accept this proof that ED J said he was God Quote Dan.2:47 …Of a truth it is, that (Ed J) your God is God of gods, and LORD of kings,
and a revealer of secrets, seeing thou couldest reveal (3.68421052631578947) this secret.This is proof because if you look at both parenthesis they are directly intertwining God and ED as being the same being
ED J is calling himself God of Gods and a revealer of secrets because he thinks he revealed a mystery of the number 3.68421052631578947
Read it again Bod.It could mean that God is EDj's God, who is YHWH. I mean that is how I see it. I could be wrong though.
The only way to know for sure is to ask EDj directly if he is the Almighty God. If he says yes, then I will gladly remove him from posting in the Believers Area section.
You could ask him directly here or in a topic dedicated to him in member Profiles.
T8,Don't you think when I questioned him about it he could have simply said “No”?
You are actually making excuses for him just look at how he uses parenthesis in a few other posts and then read that one again it is clear what he wrote and he has not retracted.
when he is saying “thou couldest reveal” with the parenthesis of the number, who is ED talking about?
You can't possible be that blind. It is glaringly obvious.
Also ED J
do you realize this thread is called understanding T8 and yet you didn't simply go off topic you flooded the topic
T8 should not allow thist8,
I think that the emphasis is on Stu's “Attempt” at intelligent conversation.
Stu avoids all requests to explain anything that causes Chemical Elements to attain Intelligence. Wonder why?
Stir, boil, mix, – or perhaps Shaken, not stirred, the primordial soup and see how many BILLIONS of years before it turns into intelligence?
And for what purpose, what reason, WHY?
Stu, WHY?
I asked you this before but you cannot answer – you said there was no intelligence in the question : “Why?”
I can answer for you but you will say that you already know (But Nart garna teh–ell !!) Like you know how long [the shortest] piece of string is but you won't say….yeah right!! I even offered to give the answer – remember?
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