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I have written this to try sincerely discuss why would T8 have a believer section and a non-believer section and then support those as believers whom he is vehemently against their beliefs?
I will now do some research to be clear on this subject and report it here but to be sure I am trying to Understand exactly what T8 believes makes someone a believer?
If he does not support the Pope then why are those who support the Pope not in the Non-believers section.
The point is this: If T8 says he does not approve Muhammad as a qualifying person and he does not consider the Pope as a qualifying person then those people who consider the Pope or Muhammad as valid authorities of Spiritual edification should be placed in the same section and what’s more anyone at all who is Jewish should be placed in that same section since they completely deny that Jesus is Christ.
I often wonder why the name of the site is Heaven.net I thought it was a place where various people come together and share their views and values of what they have learned or experienced that edified and strengthened their belief in Heaven and how we can best attain to go there.
If T8 is 100% sure how to get to heaven then his view should actually be the only view allowed in the believers section, imagine you actually having the only key to a door and you allowothers to run around in the believers section with keys that simply won’t work.
I find that in the believers section these “believers” are constantly at war with each other, which view is right? If I came to this site and read material from “CatholicApologist” and became Catholic because it was in the believers area is that meeting your goal?
The believers and non-believers split stops atheists from taking the mickey out of every theological discussion where god believers want to be left to mull over the qualities of their Imaginary Friends without being challenged on whether it might be a complete waste of time given the lack of any reason to think any of their gods exist. I used to do that a bit, but I think the turning point came with the appearance here for a time of a chap well-versed in Judeo-christian mythology who had converted to Judaism and who pretty much shredded most christian theological points made by most who took him on. It was an impressive performance he put on but it left some a bit jaded in his wake.
The bottom line is that we are guests of those who approve our membership of a forum they administer and finance, and if us heathens don't like that, or like being called skeptics then I guess we can find our own paths to the door.
As for me, I think the word “Skeptic” is one I can identify with, and I think it behoves everyone whether god-deluded or not to behave skeptically in all areas of life. It is most effective way to progress and improve our lives.
Don't complain about christians fighting. That is part of the free entertainment!
Apparently it is no longer considered ethical to feed them to lions.
Stuart
Bod, try looking at other forums, you will find most have members who are banned. This includes Christians who have unusual beliefs. They have no tiles and no warning.
Bod, the problem is that you dont believe the two things which make a person Christian. Sure there were others in believers who were starting to question their beliefs but there was still hope, you though are determined that Islam is the only way and is truth. Tell me if I'm wrong, but you desire to lead people away from their faith and bring them to Islam and that's all. What if someone was weak in their Christian beliefs and they started to listen to you ?
The pope still believes Jesus was the son of God who was crucified, as do trinitarians.
Yes Bod, they debate. Often people get hurt. Theres other places I go where that doesn't happen, it's good. But only because of the banning. It makes it safer.
And in my opinion theres a couple of people in believers who should be banned. Alot is ignored. Alot not even known.
But Bod, you can hurt people too.
Quote (Stu @ Sep. 24 2010,16:28)
The believers and non-believers split stops atheists from taking the mickey out of every theological discussion where god believers want to be left to mull over the qualities of their Imaginary Friends without being challenged on whether it might be a complete waste of time given the lack of any reason to think any of their gods exist. I used to do that a bit, but I think the turning point came with the appearance here for a time of a chap well-versed in Judeo-christian mythology who had converted to Judaism and who pretty much shredded most christian theological points made by most who took him on. It was an impressive performance he put on but it left some a bit jaded in his wake.Stuart
Hi Stuart,Who is this person to who you refer?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (shimmer @ Sep. 24 2010,19:06) Bod, try looking at other forums, you will find most have members who are banned. This includes Christians who have unusual beliefs. They have no tiles and no warning. Bod, the problem is that you dont believe the two things which make a person Christian. Sure there were others in believers who were starting to question their beliefs but there was still hope, you though are determined that Islam is the only way and is truth. Tell me if I'm wrong, but you desire to lead people away from their faith and bring them to Islam and that's all. What if someone was weak in their Christian beliefs and they started to listen to you ?
The pope still believes Jesus was the son of God who was crucified, as do trinitarians.
Yes Bod, they debate. Often people get hurt. Theres other places I go where that doesn't happen, it's good. But only because of the banning. It makes it safer.
I think you missed the point. Also, what do you mean lead people away from their faith?How can someone be weak in Christian beliefs? The problem is in thinking that Christian belief should be based on the “cross” when it really is based on the Gospel of the Kingdom of God because that is what Jesus Taught so the only way you can be weak in Christian belief is in being weak with your Love for God and weak in loving your neighbors and even weak in loving your enemies.
The Grace of Christ is not in the Cross if it were he would not have done all he did before the Cross, you take the entire ministry of Christ and boil it down to a day of Murder and what's more you call it “Sanctioned Murder”
Keeping mercy for thousands, forgiving iniquity and transgression and sin, and that will by no means clear the guilty;……
Exodus 34:7Quote (shimmer @ Sep. 24 2010,19:12) And in my opinion theres a couple of people in believers who should be banned. Alot is ignored. Alot not even known. But Bod, you can hurt people too.
You should express what you mean, you don't have to name names but please explain what some of these people say or doQuote (bodhitharta @ Sep. 25 2010,04:13) Quote (shimmer @ Sep. 24 2010,19:12) And in my opinion theres a couple of people in believers who should be banned. Alot is ignored. Alot not even known. But Bod, you can hurt people too.
You should express what you mean, you don't have to name names but please explain what some of these people say or do
Wolves in sheeps clothing.Quote (shimmer @ Sep. 25 2010,08:31) Quote (bodhitharta @ Sep. 25 2010,04:13) Quote (shimmer @ Sep. 24 2010,19:12) And in my opinion theres a couple of people in believers who should be banned. Alot is ignored. Alot not even known. But Bod, you can hurt people too.
You should express what you mean, you don't have to name names but please explain what some of these people say or do
Wolves in sheeps clothing.
That's what I just told someone else, you must see what I see but the question is does T8 care about those wolves in sheeps clothing?For instance T8 will not accept this proof that ED J said he was God
Quote Dan.2:47 …Of a truth it is, that (Ed J) your God is God of gods, and LORD of kings,
and a revealer of secrets, seeing thou couldest reveal (3.68421052631578947) this secret.This is proof because if you look at both parenthesis they are directly intertwining God and ED as being the same being
ED J is calling himself God of Gods and a revealer of secrets because he thinks he revealed a mystery of the number 3.68421052631578947Shimmer,
Quote JA will be back soon That was so funny – ha ha!! Poor stu – maybe I should allow him to express himself in private (shhh – don't tell anyone!)
To all,
Shimmer is right. Many, most site, ban people who don't agree with the site owner. It is good that this free for all is allowed by t8. yes, sad that the fighting but it means that everyone can have their say and, perhaps, learn something about themselves, maybe – I have!
Bod, whatcha want: A site where everyone just agrees with each other – It is not a simple split between Skeptics and non-Skeptics, between Athiests and non-Athisest, between Trinitarians and Arians (Because not all Non-trinitarians are Arians) and more…even between Non-PreExistence [of Jesus] and PreExistence [of Jesus] and many more factions.
See Bod, it is a matter of refinement.
Trinitarians have been trounced in this forum – so we turn inward to non-trinitarian splits – What do you see the biggest arguments here lately “Non trini's arguing Preexistence” – and when that is resolved then deeper refinements – until we all agree on a truth – unlikely – but it's the idea (“The Spirit – not the Letter”)
BigUp t8 for this site – hip hip hooray!
Great list there JustAskin of disagreements that have resulted in past christian schisms. The full list is massive, of course, and the events have left us with 39,000 disagreeing denominations (and counting).
Which one do you think the Judeo-christian god believes in?
I'm going for the Amish. I think they are the only ones likely to make it onto the 144,000-seater bus to heaven.
Stuart
The information posted was for persons with sense and intelligence
and a spiritual yearning for learning
not scorning and forlorning
so with that in view
it excludes a few
including you Stu.Quote (Stu @ Sep. 25 2010,13:37) Great list there JustAskin of disagreements that have resulted in past christian schisms. The full list is massive, of course, and the events have left us with 39,000 disagreeing denominations (and counting). Which one do you think the Judeo-christian god believes in?
I'm going for the Amish. I think they are the only ones likely to make it onto the 144,000-seater bus to heaven.
Stuart
This is my point exactly! That is why I have always said there is only ONE GOD and we can only relate to HIM regarding our own personal experiences or learnings. I don't know what a Judeo-Christian God is. There is the God of Everything and there was no one there to Name HIM.To me it's rather odd to have 39,000 denominations of Christianity and then suddenly anticipate that anyone else should believe at all it's almost impossible.
So I believe that Atheism will continue to grow as long as Christianity continues to spread in fractions. Most don't even teach the Gospekl that Jesus preached they instead preach the Gospel of Jesus
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