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Quote (Tim Kraft @ May 26 2011,08:15) Pierre: You are aware that when you are quoting IIPerer you are quoting scriptures from old testament. There are two different time periods which are two different covenants, right? When quoting the old testament scriptures in some cases they are stories about human ventures over time that reveal God(the most high God of Jesus) in certain situations. The prophets are a different story. They were all prophesing of a new coming day(light) where man connects with God by faith/believing what he said through Jesus. By faith Abraham became the father of many nations that would eventually come to a promised land. The prophets of God continually prophesied over and over the great day of the lord that would come to wipe away every tear(unto God for union). Jesus is the resurrection(from sin and death) to new life in Christ. The scripture you are quoting in IIPeter3:4 is quoting the scriptures from Isaiah at about Isaiah 34:4—(these prophets all prophesied in spiritual picture form)….and all the host of heaven shall be dissolved, and the heavens shall be rolled together as a scroll: and lla their host shall fall down, as a leaf falleth from the vine and as a falling fig from the fig tree…. All these scriptures that you quote (or most of them) are followers quoting ot scriptures of the prophets. Read the prophets. Those scriptures are predicting the coming of Jesus. All the prophets prophesied of Jesus. The day of the lord is the coming of Jesus. Jesus said you search the scriptures and in them you think you have eternal life, but it IS ME THAT THEY TESTIFY OF!! Read the Prophets.
They were predicting the New Testament to come(in Jesus). The words of Jesus were to be “LIKE A FIRE BURNING AND DESTROYING” the evil doctrines and wrong thinking of the religious order of that day.
Isaiah32:1…Behold a king shall reign in righteousness, and princes shall rule in judgment.v2…in a dry place,(no water,no word from God) in a weary land. V6…the vile(religious) person will speak villany, and his heart will work iniquity, they practice hypocrisy, and to utter error against the Lord, to make empty the soul of the hungry, and he will cause the drink of the thirsty to fail. These are the things that happened to the religious world before Jesus came. There was no true drink, no true food, their soul was empty for God.
HEAR THE TEACHINGS AND SITUATIONS BEFORE JESUS CAME. V15 ( UNTIL)….the spirit be poured upon us from ln high, and the wilderness be a fruitful field, and the fruitful field be counted for a forest V17 then, judgment shall dwell in the wilderness(won't be found) and righteousness shall be peace(with God) and the effect of righteousness quietness and assurance for ever!! My people shall dwell in peace. In this day of the lord Jesus.
The scriptures you quote about fire, gloom and doom are from the ot prophets (look em up) explaining to the people they were talking to about about the day of the lord(that they knew was coming) but we know that it has come. The words of God, right now are burning away evil(doctrines). If you believe you are a sinner and you read the words of Jesus that say, I have made you clean by my words from God, if you believe him you just burned away that evil thought/doctrine. Then are you truly clean.
Now, if you read the prophets and realize that over and over time after time the same message of the coming of the Lord Jesus and the great and terrible day of the lord, you will see keys that help understanding. Terms that you are aware of in the New Testament. The “rock” cut out of the mountain without hands.(Jesus)
The rock that crushes the ten toes of Neb's dream, Daniel went on to say, in the time of those Kings(during the Roman Empire) I will set up a Kingdom that will never be destroyed. Jesus brought in the message of the new Kingdom of God within each human that receives.
If there is still confusion please let me know. In person is much easier to explane. IMO, TK
TKyou are jumping to conclusions ,and so It does not fit my understanding,of the Word of God,
and I know that we only can receive what it is that God give us;
but you are right in person it is easier.
I am starting to get tired of to discussions so let scriptures and the spirit there of talk to you.
bless you my friend
Pierre
Pierre: My heart says one more dissertation and maybe he will agree. If not I respect and appreciate your incite and knowledge of the Bible as I have learned from you over time. You are a man of Gods word and won't take anothers truth and call it yours until God shows it as truth to you. That I respect and admire in anyone!!
The true and final Testament, Covenant or Will of God, Word of God, Kingdom of God, Gospel of God was prophecied to come to mankind thousands of years before. The Law of Moses, the former Prophets and the Psalms, all spoke of the great and terrible day of the lord that would come, when a great light would arise and enlighten the world with the truth of God most high! He was to be a spiritual King of spiritual kings, setting up a spiritual Kingdom in their minds/hearts that would rule the world in peace forever. When the fulness of time came, Jesus, was born in Bethlehem to fulfill all the great prophets of old.
Malachi said the great and terrible day(light) of the lord would come burning as fire, destroying the wicked or those who believed they were evil and leaving the pure of heart on the earth.Jesus gave several confirmations(Luke16:16) that the law and the prophets were until John the Baptist and since then, the kingdom of God is established.
The great day of the lord had come. John the Baptist(Elijah who was to come) came as one crying out in the wilderness, make way for the lord. John had the Baptism of repentance(turn from the law to faith) for the remission or washing away of sin and enlightening the people to the new way of Spirit/words of God. The new way was the emmersion of each person with the spirit/water/words of God most high. Jesus declared, saying, one must be born again, recreating the mind anew, of the spirit words of God in order to see/understand the dreams and visions created through the parables and teachings of Jesus.He who has ears to hear, let him hear!
One who is born again must re-create his mind from the old physical ways of the Old Test.,with deeds and works, and religious rituals attempting to please or pacify God, to spirit truth of God which is effectively accepted by faith or believing Gods words from Jesus. Pertaining to God, the only war we have per God is that which is a war of truth/God or illusion of truth/lies against the truth. Light and dark! Good and evil! I believe there is only God/the truth and outside of God there has been created outer darkness, lack of light, lack of truth, ILLUSION of truth. Illusion of truth is mans thoughts, apart from what God says, yet believed to be truth by mankind.
The new way to God as revealed by Jesus, saves the believer from destructive thoughts or believing they are unclean and unworthy. Believing they should be in pain. Believing in suffering to please God. Believing in the wrath of God/Love. Love has no wrath. Salvation from God was intended to show mankind the truth of life apart from the illusion of pain and suffering of death/evil thinking. What a man thinks on, ponders, dwells on, meditates, fears et. al. he will experience in his earthly life. If he dwells only on good or what seems good to him, that is what he will create in life. Yet his same powerful mind will bring forth fears, anxieties, stress, hatred, frustration, depression etc., if that is what he fills his mind and heart with!! That is sin/error and darkness.
Lies and deceptions (called devils) that come and entice a man to believe in fear, total negativity, victimization, defenselessness etc.! Being born of light is being offered an opportunity to change destructive beliefs to words of God/life causing a mental recreation to truth, awareness and understanding of God. There was very little if no truth from God being disseminated to the people of the old testament.
Lies and deceptions or adversaries against the truth (called devils) were from the beginning. Man's original error was believing anything apart from God. God is everywhere, what could be apart from God? Only an illusion believed as truth. Illusion or lies have no power or force at all until a man accepts or believes in them as his truth and eventually they have their expression unto manifestation in the mans life. A lie can't make you do anything, yet you can give a lie, life and expression. Even to others if you tell a lie enough times to enough people it becomes truth to them. Yet it is still an illusion of truth.
So, now we have a basis for what we are looking for in the New Covenant that was prophesied to come when the time was right. Only God knew! We will search the scriptures for the new way of understanding that is promised to come. At the end of Malachi a final prophecy is made approximately 400years before Jesus.
The day(light, truth) of the lord was coming. The prophets foretold of this great light that would come and burn up sin/error, darkness. Destroy dark thinking, evil thinking, wrong thinking or sin! The truth was to come and set the captives free from sin and death.
The sun of righteousness (light of Jesus) will arise with healing in his wings: and ye shall go forth in freedom. This great truth/word of God that was to come, would burn the wicked(doctrines)from the peoples minds. The great world event changing BC to AD was the covenant change between the Old Test. and New Test. This happened to effectuate the coming of “The great and terrible day of the lord” that was prophesied to arise.
Behold I will send you Elijah the prophet before (in front of/before) the great and terrible day of the lord! Jesus interpreted Elijah was John the Baptist. John came to make way for Jesus/the spirit of God. John used Baptism with water to create a picture in the peoples minds of being washed clean of sin and death. A mind washing to clean away the old way of thinking, turn completely around and go another direction.(Repentance) A baptism of repentance for the remission of sin. Removal of the wrong thinking that mankind was in lost in darkness and destruction.
The ministry of John the baptist began to fulfill the scriptures of Malachi 4:5. Elijah the prophet was to return to earth and was to,…”turn the heart of the fathers to children(must come as a child) and the heart of the children back to their Father/ God, on the “great and terrible day of the lord”! Jesus himself interpreted that Elijah was John the Baptist who was to come! The day of the lord would be great for those in God and terrible for those who continued to believe in sin, destruction and death.
For behold, the day cometh, that shall burn as an oven (the Holy Ghost and FIRE) and all the religious, PROUD/RICH KNOW IT ALL'S that (believe in) wickedness/sin, and death, shall be as stubble and the day(light) that cometh shall burn them up and leave neither root or branch.
BUT!!!! unto you that fear/respect my namesake, shall the son of righteousness arise with healing in his wings/hands/words/doctrines etc.!
The Law and the Prophets and the Psalms testified of Jesus(Luke24:44), the light of God that would come and set up Gods Kingdom/truth in the hearts of those who accept and believe. Those who follow Jesus are cleansed, ordained, saved from sin, and made complete and whole by faith not by our works that cause boasting. (John 15:1-16)
Jesus came and finished the whole complete plan of God to perfection. He said it is finished. Even laying down his life as the final sacrifice for sin for mankind forever. Or if you choose to believe that Jesus laid his life down to cut the new covenant in his blood, with God. Of if you believe that Jesus laid his life down to influence the misguided masses of errant believers that a final sacrifice had to be made. All I know for sure is from the greatest show of love ever portrayed to mankind,
Jesus gave up his perfect life on earth for t
he salvation of all who will accept and believe. Yet if you still believe you still have sin or do sin you have denied Jesus and condemned yourself to the fires of destruction. You may not see or understand the fires that are burning today but they are coming as sickness, disease, cancer, aids, MS, et.al., and they are destroying life. If you are not building a faith house/temple of God now, with the power of the Holy Spirit truth, where no evil, sickness, or anti-life energy can live, then when the storm comes your house will fall as all the others.The Bible we hold in our hands can be read and interpreted to give life or fear death. Good and evil, still the same choices to believe that Adam had at the beginning. Most think they know it all, they are rich with knowledge and need nothing. It is truly hard for a rich man to enter/accept the Kingdom of God within. There is a wide gate that leads to death & destruction but a narrow gate that leads to eternal life!! If mankind continues to believe he is evil or full of sin, or unworthy unto God, he will destroy himself. As a man believeth in his heart, so he is! God has given the choice to you. You accept or reject. Just like a body builder, one step at a time, light weights first then more and more and more, years later to a professional level.
The Kingdom of God starts in the mind/Garden of the heart, of one who hears and accepts. It is the smallest seed yet if nurtured, fed, and watered it will grow into one of the great trees of the forest that no one can uproot. Yet, immediately while it is small and poorly rooted, religious ones will come with lies and deceptions because they are still in darkness. They will attempt to root out and destroy the seed sown which is good news. Just a note, since Jesus came, if it is good news to you, then it is God. IMO,
TKTK
Quote The Kingdom of God starts in the mind/Garden of the heart, of one who hears and accepts. It is the smallest seed yet if nurtured, fed, and watered it will grow into one of the great trees of the forest that no one can uproot. Yet, immediately while it is small and poorly rooted, religious ones will come with lies and deceptions because they are still in darkness. They will attempt to root out and destroy the seed sown which is good news. Just a note, since Jesus came, if it is good news to you, then it is God. IMO,
TKthe kingdom of God is not something that start in your mind,it is a real kingdom ,the door being Christ ,
the fact that we have to change our ways to enter that kingdom as nothing to do with spirit ,mind, heart,
we have lived a live of sinner so to come to God we have to clean up and transform our self to the inner person rather than the outside and fleshly person that belong to the earth,and so by no means can enter into the new earth and heaven that God as prepared for the righteous ones,
and in witch dead is put to dead.it is like before becoming a engineer you have to go to school ,do you understand ?
we all have received or will receive the time to go to school but only the real and true students will get there diploma so to speak.
one more thing ;each time wen you read the bible and you say this is the way I THINK it should be understood you are taking prejudice over God s word,and so you will receive the understanding accordingly to your mind,not to Gods truth.
Pierre
Quote (terraricca @ May 27 2011,07:43) TK Quote The Kingdom of God starts in the mind/Garden of the heart, of one who hears and accepts. It is the smallest seed yet if nurtured, fed, and watered it will grow into one of the great trees of the forest that no one can uproot. Yet, immediately while it is small and poorly rooted, religious ones will come with lies and deceptions because they are still in darkness. They will attempt to root out and destroy the seed sown which is good news. Just a note, since Jesus came, if it is good news to you, then it is God. IMO,
TKthe kingdom of God is not something that start in your mind,it is a real kingdom ,the door being Christ ,
the fact that we have to change our ways to enter that kingdom as nothing to do with spirit ,mind, heart,
we have lived a live of sinner so to come to God we have to clean up and transform our self to the inner person rather than the outside and fleshly person that belong to the earth,and so by no means can enter into the new earth and heaven that God as prepared for the righteous ones,
and in witch dead is put to dead.it is like before becoming a engineer you have to go to school ,do you understand ?
we all have received or will receive the time to go to school but only the real and true students will get there diploma so to speak.
one more thing ;each time wen you read the bible and you say this is the way I THINK it should be understood you are taking prejudice over God s word,and so you will receive the understanding accordingly to your mind,not to Gods truth.
Pierre
Pierre: God is words! God is spirit! Words are the brush that when dipped into the paint/truth/thoughts/mind of God, then paint a picture on our heart/mind. Words transfer thoughts. Gods thoughts are certain energies grouped together into packets of multiple words which when accepted by the hearor and mixed with understanding become flesh of our flesh and bone of our bone. ONE!A person who knows nothing of the truth of God begins to read the words of Jesus to find the truth about God. Whatever Jesus says is Gods truth of what he has given freely to man, to accept or reject. If man accepts the truth from God/life he lives more abundantly. If man rejects the truth he must stay in his mental state of sin and death.
Do you refuse to read what Jesus says? Do you read the parables about the Kingdom. How could you say the Kingdom is not in your mind? Luke17:21, says…the Kingdom of God cometh not with observation (or you won't see it with your eyes)….Jesus said, look/behold, the Kingdom is within you!!
If you believe Jesus the Kingdom is within. If you don't believe Jesus you have denied him. Its your choice.All spirit is in the mind. The spirit of God and the spirit of anti-God. Jesus gave us the truth so we would know. I follow him. Its your choice.
Jesus said his words from God have cleansed you, made you whole, washed you, ordained you, forgiven you, and totally perfected you unto God.(John15 & 16) If you believe, you receive those truthes for you.
If you deny Christ is here today and believe that somday in the future Christ or the Kingdom of God will come it will never come. The future is never here today!! The Kingdom is today!
Your doctrines don't align with Jesus if you believe there is something you have to do or become to enter the Kingdom. The Kingdom is a picture, from Jesus, of one planting a mustard seed/word of God in your garden/heart/mind and nurturing it daily, watering with the water of the words of God (Eph.5:26) and protecting it from lies against the truth, deceivers attempting to destroy the truth and all forms of destruction, then it will grow. It will grow into the greatest of all trees in your garden/heart.
The truth can only come if you are willing to wash away the old religious ways. We don't clean up ourselves. Jesus cleans us up for God. Whatever you attempt to do for your own purification is as filthy rags to God. Its your choice.
Signing with IMO or in my opinion is attempting to respect everyones individual level of acceptance of the truth. Maybe I should say, if you have ears to hear, hear!
If I were prejudicial about Gods words they would not align perfectly with all the New Testament truths of Jesus. Bless you, TK
Quote (Tim Kraft @ May 28 2011,05:16) Quote (terraricca @ May 27 2011,07:43) TK Quote The Kingdom of God starts in the mind/Garden of the heart, of one who hears and accepts. It is the smallest seed yet if nurtured, fed, and watered it will grow into one of the great trees of the forest that no one can uproot. Yet, immediately while it is small and poorly rooted, religious ones will come with lies and deceptions because they are still in darkness. They will attempt to root out and destroy the seed sown which is good news. Just a note, since Jesus came, if it is good news to you, then it is God. IMO,
TKthe kingdom of God is not something that start in your mind,it is a real kingdom ,the door being Christ ,
the fact that we have to change our ways to enter that kingdom as nothing to do with spirit ,mind, heart,
we have lived a live of sinner so to come to God we have to clean up and transform our self to the inner person rather than the outside and fleshly person that belong to the earth,and so by no means can enter into the new earth and heaven that God as prepared for the righteous ones,
and in witch dead is put to dead.it is like before becoming a engineer you have to go to school ,do you understand ?
we all have received or will receive the time to go to school but only the real and true students will get there diploma so to speak.
one more thing ;each time wen you read the bible and you say this is the way I THINK it should be understood you are taking prejudice over God s word,and so you will receive the understanding accordingly to your mind,not to Gods truth.
Pierre
Pierre: God is words! God is spirit! Words are the brush that when dipped into the paint/truth/thoughts/mind of God, then paint a picture on our heart/mind. Words transfer thoughts. Gods thoughts are certain energies grouped together into packets of multiple words which when accepted by the hearor and mixed with understanding become flesh of our flesh and bone of our bone. ONE!A person who knows nothing of the truth of God begins to read the words of Jesus to find the truth about God. Whatever Jesus says is Gods truth of what he has given freely to man, to accept or reject. If man accepts the truth from God/life he lives more abundantly. If man rejects the truth he must stay in his mental state of sin and death.
Do you refuse to read what Jesus says? Do you read the parables about the Kingdom. How could you say the Kingdom is not in your mind? Luke17:21, says…the Kingdom of God cometh not with observation (or you won't see it with your eyes)….Jesus said, look/behold, the Kingdom is within you!!
If you believe Jesus the Kingdom is within. If you don't believe Jesus you have denied him. Its your choice.All spirit is in the mind. The spirit of God and the spirit of anti-God. Jesus gave us the truth so we would know. I follow him. Its your choice.
Jesus said his words from God have cleansed you, made you whole, washed you, ordained you, forgiven you, and totally perfected you unto God.(John15 & 16) If you believe, you receive those truthes for you.
If you deny Christ is here today and believe that somday in the future Christ or the Kingdom of God will come it will never come. The future is never here today!! The Kingdom is today!
Your doctrines don't align with Jesus if you believe there is something you have to do or become to enter the Kingdom. The Kingdom is a picture, from Jesus, of one planting a mustard seed/word of God in your garden/heart/mind and nurturing it daily, watering with the water of the words of God (Eph.5:26) and protecting it from lies against the truth, deceivers attempting to destroy the truth and all forms of destruction, then it will grow. It will grow into the greatest of all trees in your garden/heart.
The truth can only come if you are willing to wash away the old religious ways. We don't clean up ourselves. Jesus cleans us up for God. Whatever you attempt to do for your own purification is as filthy rags to God. Its your choice.
Signing with IMO or in my opinion is attempting to respect everyones individual level of acceptance of the truth. Maybe I should say, if you have ears to hear, hear!
If I were prejudicial about Gods words they would not align perfectly with all the New Testament truths of Jesus. Bless you, TK
TKthe difference between your view and mine is that you say to bring the kingdom to us .
I say let go to the kingdom our homeland.
Pierre
Pierre: I say what Jesus says. Jesus gave those parables. Jesus said the kingdom was within. You have your doctrines that you don't want to let go of. They are not in agreement with what Jesus taught. I say nothing of my own. What I say makes no difference on anything. It seems to me that you are looking for a city with buildings and streets. Thats not how Jesus described it. One must be born or recreated in the mind, to “see” or “understand” the kingdom of God. Jesus said that too! TK
Quote (Tim Kraft @ May 28 2011,17:26) Pierre: I say what Jesus says. Jesus gave those parables. Jesus said the kingdom was within. You have your doctrines that you don't want to let go of. They are not in agreement with what Jesus taught. I say nothing of my own. What I say makes no difference on anything. It seems to me that you are looking for a city with buildings and streets. Thats not how Jesus described it. One must be born or recreated in the mind, to “see” or “understand” the kingdom of God. Jesus said that too! TK
TKshow me all your scriptures that stands in to prove your view,
and make sure that there is no scripture that is against that view.and then we will see were the kingdom is.
Pierre
Quote (terraricca @ May 28 2011,10:58) Quote (Tim Kraft @ May 28 2011,17:26) Pierre: I say what Jesus says. Jesus gave those parables. Jesus said the kingdom was within. You have your doctrines that you don't want to let go of. They are not in agreement with what Jesus taught. I say nothing of my own. What I say makes no difference on anything. It seems to me that you are looking for a city with buildings and streets. Thats not how Jesus described it. One must be born or recreated in the mind, to “see” or “understand” the kingdom of God. Jesus said that too! TK
TKshow me all your scriptures that stands in to prove your view,
and make sure that there is no scripture that is against that view.and then we will see were the kingdom is.
Pierre
Pierre:Matt: Read chapters 13 & 14.
Mark chapter 4.
Luke chapter 8. Only read these verses if you want to follow Jesus. If you want to follow doctrines of other men or mis-translations, then don't bother to read. We both know where the truth really is! TKTK
The Chap 13 and 14 of Matt; deals with the seed being the scriptures and or the person ,Mt 13:36 Then he left the crowd and went into the house. His disciples came to him and said, “Explain to us the parable of the weeds in the field.”
Mt 13:37 He answered, “The one who sowed the good seed is the Son of Man.
Mt 13:38 The field is the world, and the good seed stands for the sons of the kingdom. The weeds are the sons of the evil one,
Mt 13:39 and the enemy who sows them is the devil. The harvest is the end of the age, and the harvesters are angels.
Mt 13:40 “As the weeds are pulled up and burned in the fire, so it will be at the end of the age.
Mt 13:41 The Son of Man will send out his angels, and they will weed out of his kingdom everything that causes sin and all who do evil.
Mt 13:42 They will throw them into the fiery furnace, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
Mt 13:43 Then the righteous will shine like the sun in the kingdom of their Father. He who has ears, let him hear
This scriptures show s the kingdom of heaven reserved to the righteous one not to any other.
And this is what Christ came to get the first fruit ,(144k) the second fruit being the fruit that comes out after the first fruit is collected, this is us providing we make the changes to fit in that kingdom,Rev 21:21 The twelve gates were twelve pearls, each gate made of a single pearl. The great street of the city was of pure gold, like transparent glass.
Rev 21:22 I did not see a temple in the city, because the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are its temple.
Rev 21:23 The city does not need the sun or the moon to shine on it, for the glory of God gives it light, and the Lamb is its lamp.
Rev 21:24 The nations will walk by its light, and the kings of the earth will bring their splendor into it.
Rev 21:25 On no day will its gates ever be shut, for there will be no night there.
Rev 21:26 The glory and honor of the nations will be brought into it.
Rev 21:27 Nothing impure will ever enter it, nor will anyone who does what is shameful or deceitful, but only those whose names are written in the Lamb’s book of life.
You can see in verse 27 NOTHING IMPURE WILL EVER ENTER ITRev 21:7 He who overcomes will inherit all this, and I will be his God and he will be my son.
Rev 21:8 But the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral, those who practice magic arts, the idolaters and all liars—their place will be in the fiery lake of burning sulfur. This is the second death.”Jn 1:12 Yet to all who received him, to those who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God—
Jn 1:13 children born not of natural descent, nor of human decision or a husband’s will, but born of God.
Jn 1:14 The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the One and Only, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth.
Jn 1:15 John testifies concerning him. He cries out, saying, “This was he of whom I said, ‘He who comes after me has surpassed me because he was before me.’ ”
Jn 1:16 From the fullness of his grace we have all received one blessing after another.
Jn 1:17 For the law was given through Moses; grace and truth came through Jesus ChristPAY ATTENTION TO VERSE 17 SECOND PART
Jn 3:19 This is the verdict: Light has come into the world, but men loved darkness instead of light because their deeds were evil.
Jn 3:20 Everyone who does evil hates the light, and will not come into the light for fear that his deeds will be exposed.
Jn 3:21 But whoever lives by the truth comes into the light, so that it may be seen plainly that what he has done has been done through GodLight = the truth spoken by Christ and latter by his disciples
Darkness =any words and thoughts against the truth of God.Jn 4:23 Yet a time is coming and has now come when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth, for they are the kind of worshipers the Father seeks.
Jn 4:24 God is spirit, and his worshipers must worship in spirit and in truthTHE REASON THAT WE HAVE TO CHANGE IS ;TO BECOME QUOILIFIED FOR THE KINGDOM OF GOD,BECAUSE ALL THE RULES ARE OF GOD AND SO SPIRITUAL BECAUSE GOD IS A SPIRIT,AND SO IS OUR INNER SIDE IF WE WANT TO DEVELOP IT,THIS IS OUR OWN CHOICE.
Jn 17:20 “My prayer is not for them alone. I pray also for those who will believe in me through their message,
Jn 17:21 that all of them may be one, Father, just as you are in me and I am in you. May they also be in us so that the world may believe that you have sent meYes Christ prayed for us the second fruit, are we a second fruit ?
This question is for everyone to answer in his own heart.But we are to take that responsibility to act for the kingdom of God, and so benefit from that kingdom all the promises
Pierre
Pierre: Matt.13:38… The field is the world, and the good seed stands for the sons of the kingdom. The weeds are the sons of the evil one,…..sons of un-truth….sons of deception of truth…sons of lies about the truth etc.!
You have sons of the kingdom(good seed/wheat) and sons of the evil one(bad seed/tares)! The enemy that sowed the them(tares) is lies/deception/the devil! The spiritual picture here is a garden. Spiritually it is the gareden of a mans heart. What you accept as truth is seed that grows in your heart/garden.
V41: The son of man shall send forth his messengers(those with truth) and gather out of his kingdom(heart/mind) all things that offend and them that do iniquity and cast them into the furnace of fire. Do you hear? The evil is burned away. The sin/evil/death/darkness is removed and burned by angels of God. Ones who bring the truth. Jesus baptized us with the holy ghost and fire. The fire is to burn the evil, wrong thinking away from our minds/hearts. Take away the evil/darkness and we shine like the sun in our kingdom!
Mt 13:37 He answered, “The one who sowed the good seed is the Son of Man.
Mt 13:38 The field is the world, and the good seed stands for the sons of the kingdom. The weeds are the sons of the evil one,
Mt 13:39 and the enemy who sows them is the devil. The harvest is the end of the age, and the harvesters are angels.
Mt 13:40 “As the weeds are pulled up and burned in the fire, so it will be at the end of the age.
Mt 13:41 The Son of Man will send out his angels,(messengers/us, if we find the truth and spread the news) and they will weed out of his kingdom(peoples minds/hearts) everything that causes sin and all who think evil.
Mt 13:42 They will throw them into the fiery furnace, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth. (outside of God/outer darkness)
Mt 13:43 Then the righteous will shine like the sun in their kingdom of their Father. He who has ears, let him hearJust for grins and giggles, forget any and all future events for God. Read everything in the Bible as pertaining to you/us RIGHT NOW! No future, right now and within believers. God bless you, TK
Pierre: Remember your timing in the scriptures. Jesus said @John5:39…..You search the scriptures for in them you think ye have eternal life and they(the scriptures) are they(the truth) which testify of me(coming to enlighten mankind with truth of God)….! Jesus came to establish the kingdom of God which is the ruling power(love) of God within each human being. God/spirit is the essence of life unto us.
We live because of God/life within. We represent the Kingdom of God to a dark world that is unaware. The words/light of God is the seed planted(by Jesus) of spirit truth that grows with spirit water of the words of God unto a great and wonderful spitit/tree of life. We are grafted into Jesus/the tree of life in whom there is no death.
Jesus was the final end of a lost and dark world. For those who accept and believe his words of truth from God. IMO, TK
TK
Quote So, now we have a basis for what we are looking for in the New Covenant that was prophesied to come when the time was right. Only God knew! We will search the scriptures for the new way of understanding that is promised to come. At the end of Malachi a final prophecy is made approximately 400years before Jesus. show me how you can say that it was the final prophesy ?
Pierre
Pierre:
Quote …show me how you can say that it was the final prophesy! Because Jesus clearly stated many times that …..the law and the prophets were until John, since then the Kingdom of God is preached(by Jesus)Luke 16:16. The scriptures and the prophets all led up to the coming of Jesus. Jesus also said, you search the scriptures, and in them ye think ye find eternal life, but they are they which testify of me, that ye might have life! John5:39.
Jesus said in Luke24:44…all things must be fulfilled which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the Psalms, concerning me! Fulfillment is completion, finished, done, over!!
Jesus said in Mark1:15…..The time is fulfilled(all former prophesies) and the Kingdom of God is at hand(or in reach)….!
Luke18:31…all things written by the prophets concerning the Son of man shall be accomplished!(completed, fulfilled, finished, done!!!)
All predicted time was fulfilled when John the Baptist began preparing the new (spirit) way to God, by truth from Jesus unto mans perfection. The New Covenant made with better promises. The only way a desciple can be perfected, cleansed, made whole and purified before God is by FAITH in what Jesus said about man. John the 15th chapter covers much.
Jesus and this truth were the great stone that was cut out of the mountain to crush all other kingdoms(wrong thinking humans) of darkness and sin and destruction. This is a spiritual war in the mind/heart. Not a physical war. The kingdom Jesus set up at that time is an eternal kingdom without end. Faith believing(before any works) is the “stumbling stone” of religion. Religion stumbles over any kind of purification apart from works/deeds/etc.! Jesus did the work, now we are invited to enter into his rest! It is so wonderful and beautiful when one realizes that he is cleanses to perfection unto God by just accepting and believing. That is the greatest love of all time.IMO,TK
TK
Quote Faith believing(before any works) is the “stumbling stone” of religion. Religion stumbles over any kind of purification apart from works/deeds/etc.! Jesus did the work, now we are invited to enter into his rest! It is so wonderful and beautiful when one realizes that he is cleanses to perfection unto God by just accepting and believing. That is the greatest love of all time.IMO,TK this is where we are not in accord ,this is not scriptural;Mt 12:35 The good man brings good things out of the good stored up in him, and the evil man brings evil things out of the evil stored up in him.
Mt 12:41 The men of Nineveh will stand up at the judgment with this generation and condemn it; for they repented at the preaching of Jonah, and now one greater than Jonah is here.
Mt 12:48 He replied to him, “Who is my mother, and who are my brothers?”
Mt 12:49 Pointing to his disciples, he said, “Here are my mother and my brothers.
Mt 12:50 For whoever does the will of my Father in heaven is my brother and sister and mother.”Mt 13:20 The one who received the seed that fell on rocky places is the man who hears the word and at once receives it with joy.
Mt 13:21 But since he has no root, he lasts only a short time. When trouble or persecution comes because of the word, he quickly falls away.
Mt 13:22 The one who received the seed that fell among the thorns is the man who hears the word, but the worries of this life and the deceitfulness of wealth choke it, making it unfruitful.
Mt 13:23 But the one who received the seed that fell on good soil is the man who hears the word and understands it. He produces a crop, yielding a hundred, sixty or thirty times what was sown.”in the scriptures i quoted i want to show you that there is a judgement day for all;and that Christ does not do the deeds for your faith ,this is something we have to produce if we have any faith in Christ because it is his message,i quoted you Mat 13; 23 where Jesus explain that the message that he as publicly spooken can fall in many ears but only in the right heart would it produce an effect,and those people will act on the message and produce the fruit there of;
this mean stop living according to the nature of the flesh and start to live according to the message (spirit)this are deeds of faith the father likes
yes it is a spiritual war against the flesh ;1Ti 6:3 If anyone teaches false doctrines and does not agree to the sound instruction of our Lord Jesus Christ and to godly teaching,
1Ti 6:4 he is conceited and understands nothing. He has an unhealthy interest in controversies and quarrels about words that result in envy, strife, malicious talk, evil suspicions
1Ti 6:5 and constant friction between men of corrupt mind, who have been robbed of the truth and who think that godliness is a means to financial gain.
1Ti 6:6 But godliness with contentment is great gain.
1Ti 6:7 For we brought nothing into the world, and we can take nothing out of it.
1Ti 6:8 But if we have food and clothing, we will be content with that.
1Ti 6:9 People who want to get rich fall into temptation and a trap and into many foolish and harmful desires that plunge men into ruin and destruction.
1Ti 6:10 For the love of money is a root of all kinds of evil. Some people, eager for money, have wandered from the faith and pierced themselves with many griefs.1Ti 6:11 But you, man of God, flee from all this, and pursue righteousness, godliness, faith, love, endurance and gentleness.
1Ti 6:12 Fight the good fight of the faith. Take hold of the eternal life to which you were called when you made your good confession in the presence of many witnesses.
1Ti 6:13 In the sight of God, who gives life to everything, and of Christ Jesus2Ti 1:1 Paul, an apostle of Christ Jesus by the will of God, according to the promise of life that is in Christ Jesus,
did you know something more than Paul? is not still a promise of live ?
Pierre
Pierre: I am not trying to stop you from following your path to God through works and deeds. Your path to God is underway and not mine to change. If you would be willing to balance your faith in Paul equally with faith in what Jesus says I believe you will change some ways.
1Ti 6:11 But you, man of God, flee from all this, and pursue righteousness, godliness, faith, love, endurance and gentleness.
1Ti 6:12 Fight the good fight of the faith. Take hold of the eternal life to which you were called when you made your good confession in the presence of many witnesses.[Quote]When you read my writings do you not feel that I am in pursuit of righteousness, godliness,faith, love, endurance and gentleness? You send many scriptures and thats good but many times they don't or aren't saying what I think you are trying to say.
When this scripture you quoted says, fight the good fight of faith, what does that mean to you? Who do you have to fight to be able to believe the truth? Certainly there is no physical fight necessary to believe a truth. Faith in what God says can only be attacked by other humans that have been deceived as to the truth. Jesus took the pain and suffering to make the truth of God easy for us. No physical works at all are required. Faith or believing his words is the only way to God. The truth path/Jesus/the light of the way to God/the words of God/Jesus.
To believe God has said (through Jesus) you are cleansed, saved, healed, forgiven, made righteous, made pure, made whole and actually made a perfect son of God is the fight of faith. Its all been done, can you believe it? Hold on tight, darkness will come, and it may be the most religious person you know. It very well could be misunderstanding of the very scriptures from Paul. Deception/darkness will come to root out, destroy, or completely kill the words of life and peace and joy and freedom and love, from God. IMO, TK
All!
If you want to understand the book of Revelations then go to Matthew 24.
This is a dual prophecy.
It speaks about what was to happen in Jerusalem in AD 70
Which will happen again to the world on a larger scale toward the end which most people say is some time pretty soon.
The Duality of Prophecy
by Earl L. Henn (1934-1997)Many people find the subject of prophecy to be the most fascinating aspect of Bible study, and they show an intense interest in it. Some scour the newspapers, books, magazines and television and radio news for the latest tidbit that fulfills their favorite prophecies. Unfortunately, few understand the vital keys to understanding the prophecies of the Bible, and thus, many of them are wildly misunderstood.
One of these keys to understanding prophecy is the fact that most prophecy is dual in nature. Throughout the Bible, we see duality in many things. God made a material creation and a spiritual creation (Genesis 2:1-4). The first Adam was physical, and the second Adam, Christ, is spiritual (I Corinthians 15:45-47). The Old Covenant was based on physical descent and physical blessings and cursings. It was followed by the New Covenant, which is spiritual (Hebrews 8). At the first coming of Christ, He came in the weakness of flesh; when He comes again, He will be a powerful spirit Being.
A list of everything in the Bible that demonstrates duality would be a very long list, indeed. So it is with the prophecies, most of which consist of two predictions: a type and an antitype. The type, usually a relatively minor event in history, symbolizes a major, often end-time event that will occur later. The major event is the antitype.A Source of Confusion
One of the best examples of a dual prophecy is the Olivet Prophecy recorded in Matthew 24, Mark 13 and Luke 21. Many years ago, while studying this prophecy with the help of a commentary, I became very confused. At the time, neither I nor the author of the commentary understood the principle of duality. Thinking that this prophecy referred only to the destruction of Jerusalem, the commentator frankly admitted that he did not understand why Christ said that His coming would occur “immediately after the tribulation of those days” (Matthew 24:29).
Today, we understand that the destruction of Jerusalem in AD 70 was a type of the Great Tribulation which will occur in the time immediately preceding the second coming of Christ. We can see that He actually prophesied two events. Jerusalem's destruction was the type, and the Great Tribulation is the antitype.
This particular prophecy highlights how vital it is to understand the duality principle. Many early Christians did not understand that the Olivet Prophecy was dual and fully expected Christ to return after the destruction of Jerusalem. When He failed to appear, some were very disappointed and disillusioned. Some lost faith and stopped believing. This disappointment was a major factor in causing the church to fall into apostasy in the closing decades of the first century.
All of these prophecies are dual. The falling away from the revealed truth of God that occurred in the first century is a type of what is happening today in the church. We are witnessing some of these prophecies being fulfilled! Duality in prophecy is being demonstrated in our lifetimes before our very eyes!
For this reason, we must be keenly aware of this important principle of understanding God's Word. We must be constantly on our guard, watching prophesied world events, as well as those unfolding in the church, lest we be caught unawares. Listen to the urgent warning that Jesus Christ gave to all of us who are living in the end time:
Watch therefore, for you do not know when the master of the house is coming—in the evening, at midnight, at the crowing of the rooster, or in the morning—lest, coming suddenly, He find you sleeping. And what I say to you, I say to all: Watch! (Mark 13:35-37)
For all:THE RELIGIOUS WORLD ENDED AT JESUS
There are multitudes of great doctrines, pages and pages of thousands of scriptures written very ambiguously with vague interpretations describing horrific destruction, chaos, pain and suffering. The carry-over, old test. religious world has worked overtime to make a spiritually discerned book understandable at the literal level. When you read the New Testament you must recreate your mind or be born again, to a new way of thinking. The old religious way of the Jews was doing, trying, paying, working, washings, sacrifices, every kind of ritual and special washing of hands, all physical words oriented. The Spirit(words) of God have now come to earthen vessels/mankind, through the words given by Jesus, the Christ(anointed one). John preceded Jesus and taught his followers a new Baptism of water signifying death of the old and rising up to new truth from God. Wash away the old teachings in order to be able to see/understand the new spirit kingdom about to come. To learn the new you must be born again or mentally re-create the previous religious thinking in your mind about God.
You must see, perceive and understand the words of God in your heart, metaphorically as a picture in the mind. Jesus spoke in parables. Only the spirit of God can reveal to you the Truth in this form. All Truth from God is now to be contained in the new Temple made without hands. New truth dwells within each individual human being as it always was from the first. All is within one. You are the Temple of God‘s words/spirit, Jesus is your light/understanding of those words from God. Jesus is your true/truth food, Jesus shows you the “true” way to God(the religious, temple, leaders of the Jews, did not know God‘s truth). Jesus is your teacher, Jesus is the Truth. All truth of God given through Jesus, in the New Covenant, is intended to be received within the human mind/heart. The old religious thinking was being changed to a new, personal, spiritual relationship with God/Jesus no longer trying to please God by physical actions, works, deeds, tithes,
ritual washings and every kind of do, don’t do type service unto God. Spirit truth is words from God that create the truth of who you really are as you learn through knowledge with understanding. In all knowledge of God seek understanding. So there are great divisions amongst people as to right or wrong understandings of Gods words. Jesus gave us the keys to the Kingdom. These are keys of understanding. One of the greatest foundational keys to unlock the New Testament Truth is timing. In the genealogies at the front of Matthew you will find groups of fourteen generations separating major events of God’s plan that led up to the end. The end of the religious world and it’s beliefs about God. The end of the physical(brick & mortar) Temple worship. The end of the old covenant religious practices with sacrifices, ceremonial washings, rituals of all kinds, days, weeks, month etc., none of which are necessary for a
relationship with God. The new way was at hand. This was also the end of time. When the eternal, timeless word of God came, that was the end of time. The end of the religious, Jewish world order. All prophecy was up until the time of Jesus’ ministry and it taught the establishment of the Kingdom of God in a new temple made without hands. Each human body! This kingdom would grow within each person to whatever degree they wished to have a relationship with God! God came forth as spiritual words of life, given to Jesus to give to whosoever will accept and believe. This kingdom or ruling power of God through mankind would rise up and never end. (Luke 16:16–Matt 11:13–Mark 1:15–Luke 24:25–Luke 24:44–) Here it is, JESUS CAME AT THE END OF THE OLD COVENANT RELIGIOUS WORLD ORDER! . Jesus was the fulfillment of all the law and the prophets. (Luke 24:44) The promised Sabbath rest of Jesus had come. The final jubilee had arrived.
The acceptable year of the Lord was at hand. Malachi said, I will send Elijah the prophet BEFORE the coming of “the great and dreadful day of the Lord”! Jesus interpreted John the Baptist as Elijah who was to come just BEFORE the great and dreadful day of the Lord. What did Jesus say in every parable?
Matt.11:12.…and from the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of God suffered violence, and the violent take it by force….Even today violent people are ready for a flesh and blood war somehow between spirit Angels and men or spirit filled men against men without knowledge of God. Many are looking for a major war. Those are the violent people Jesus made reference to. Then Jesus said…..V13.…all the prophets(all includes John with the revelation prophecy) and the law prophesied UNTIL John (the Baptist)….!
Matt.12:28…if I cast out devils(deceptive thinking) by the spirit of God/truth/light, then the kingdom of God is come unto you. When truth/light comes, darkness and untruth must leave.Matt.13:11.…it is given unto you(his disciples) to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven but to them(Jews) it is not given. They thought they had the word of God but it was taken from them.
Matt.13:30.…let both (the wheat and the tares)(good and evil) grow together until the harvest and in the time of the harvest I will say gather first the tares(evil ones), bind them in bundles to burn: but gather the wheat(believers) into my barn…..Matt.13:38.…Jesus interprets the parable of sower & seeds…..The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom(believers) but the tares are the children(non-believers) of the wicked: V30…the enemy that sowed them is the devil: the harvest is the end of world. Didn’t Jesus say look on the harvest that it is ready. Jesus ended the old religious world.
V41.…so shall it be at the end of this world. The son of man will send forth his Angels/messengers/words/us, and they will gather OUT OF HIS KINGDOM all things(doctrines,words) that offend and them that do iniquity and cast them in the fire……
V49.…so shall it be at the end of the world: the angels shall come forth, and sever the wicked from among the just, and shall cast them into the furnace of fire.
This is the truth from Jesus/God. Evil is being removed from the earth by any or all that know the truth and apply it. There is no such thing as a “Rapture” that is a man made doctrine
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The word of God/Jesus is judging mankind right now. If they believe God has cleansed them they are clean. If they believe that they have to do something on their own they are dirty and lost.
Our faith is being tested to see if we can withstand the lies of the deceiver. Hold fast to Faith Truth all, the reward is greater than you can imagine!! IMO, TKAll: Shouldn't we at least write our own dissertations on what we believe. I prefer not to read other peoples writing off the internet or from anyone else. This is a site for learning and honing our truth perceived from our attention to God. I write every word I print on this site. TK
TK
Quote To believe God has said (through Jesus) you are cleansed, saved, healed, forgiven, made righteous, made pure, made whole and actually made a perfect son of God is the fight of faith. Its all been done, can you believe it? Hold on tight, darkness will come, and it may be the most religious person you know. It very well could be misunderstanding of the very scriptures from Paul. Deception/darkness will come to root out, destroy, or completely kill the words of life and peace and joy and freedom and love, from God. IMO, TK you are right but it is the process we disagree; Jesus is only the beginning of our return to God ,he is the door not the slave to do the changes in our lives for us,first we have to chose and willingly accept his way to salvation,and only if we stay faithful until the end of our live or until he return whichever is first
we have to learn and mature in the spirit so to present us holy before Christ and his father this is the fight we as Christians have to fight,so it is a daily fight all depend on our condition we where in at the time we came to know Christ and Gods word.Paul and James shows clearly that this is going on until we die or to the return of Christ and on this we will be judged,to me the work and deeds are the changes to our live that as to be done and our new views and actions to be implemented in our faith,to become holy
Pierre
Pierre: I thought you died? I died, Paul died, once we (symbolically) die in Baptism we then resurrect to new life. The gospel is not for after we leave our bodies! Heaven is already abundant living. Jesus died for abundant life here, on earth! You put everything Jesus fought for off until you leave this planet or for no reason Jesus comes back. What would he do that he hasn't done for us. We are supposed to believe, accept and live a free, abundant life. Our relationship with God is completely intact. Jesus did it we accept it and live it.
You are obsessed in my opinion with the idea that you are supposed to live a certain way. Follow orders or somehow Jesus is telling us how to live or what to do. This is grave error. Religion to the max. Jesus actually came to set the captives (to religious rules and commands) free, Jesus broke the bonds that tied mankind down. The chains that bind us are broken by Christ and we are set free. How would someones life change to “look like” or “be like” a “christian”? Do you actually find yourself looking and judging unto condemning others for what they are doing or not doing? Judgmental criticizm of the actions of other is a miserable life.
If, as per your last line, you believe that you are going to be judged by the works and deeds that are changed in your life, that your new views and actions must be implemented in our faith TO BECOME HOLY……you are lost from God. Believing in your own good works to become holy is death not life. You best re-read my friend. I have said all that can be said. If you reject faith alone as your purification from God you will remain in your own filth. I hope you hear, I have tried. God bless you, TK
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