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Quote (david @ Oct. 27 2012,15:39) Quote (Ed J @ Oct. 26 2012,17:18) Quote (david @ Oct. 26 2012,16:10) When Jesus was resurrected, was he “as the angels?” What do you believe is the definition of resurrection?
Hi David,In the resurrection, Jesus disappeared after having dinner with two travelers.
Jesus, in the resurrection, also entered into locked rooms with a number of witness.
Jesus is also recorded as having eaten fish, and may have even had wine. (see Luke 22:18)
The Angels (bene ha-elohim) are recorded as having offspring with the daughters of men (adm);
this is indicative, that among their members, they, (bene ha-elohim) did make use of their equipment.Might I suggest that dimensional time travel might
be part of the resurrection as well, and we
can certainly look forward to that.Your brother
in Christ, Jesus.
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
holycitybiblecode.org
Note: Normally I insert the refferenced Hebrew and Greek wording I cite, but since the JW's don't provide it
in the propaganda material I receive from them, I felt it was OK for me to leave it out of my post to David.
(1)You never never answered the question, or at least, not clearly.(2)Also, why do you receive “propaganda material” fromJW?
Hi David,1) Not clearly??
2) Because that's what it takes to be a 'regular pioneer'.
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (david @ Oct. 26 2012,16:10)
When Jesus was resurrected, was he “as the angels?”What do you believe is the definition of resurrection?
Hi David,death: permanent cessation of all vital functions
– (burial) –
resurrection: coming back from the state of deathGod bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Ed J @ Oct. 27 2012,17:08) Quote (david @ Oct. 27 2012,15:39) Quote (Ed J @ Oct. 26 2012,17:18) Quote (david @ Oct. 26 2012,16:10) When Jesus was resurrected, was he “as the angels?” What do you believe is the definition of resurrection?
Hi David,In the resurrection, Jesus disappeared after having dinner with two travelers.
Jesus, in the resurrection, also entered into locked rooms with a number of witness.
Jesus is also recorded as having eaten fish, and may have even had wine. (see Luke 22:18)
The Angels (bene ha-elohim) are recorded as having offspring with the daughters of men (adm);
this is indicative, that among their members, they, (bene ha-elohim) did make use of their equipment.Might I suggest that dimensional time travel might
be part of the resurrection as well, and we
can certainly look forward to that.Your brother
in Christ, Jesus.
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
holycitybiblecode.org
Note: Normally I insert the refferenced Hebrew and Greek wording I cite, but since the JW's don't provide it
in the propaganda material I receive from them, I felt it was OK for me to leave it out of my post to David.
(1)You never never answered the question, or at least, not clearly.(2)Also, why do you receive “propaganda material” fromJW?
Hi David,1) Not clearly??
2) Because that's what it takes to be a 'regular pioneer'.
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
No, my question is why do you believe you have decided to receive what you call “propaganda material” from witnesses?You know, you can get all of the magazines on the jw.org website now? You can also check out the reasoning book, something wasn't shown in the past. It's a book that outlines our arguments on a variety of subjects that we come up against in the ministry. I think you would enjoy it for the same reason you probably are speaking with these visitors.
Quote (david @ Oct. 26 2012,16:10) Quote (Wakeup @ Oct. 26 2012,09:03) Quote (bodhitharta @ April 16 2012,15:36) Quote (Wakeup @ April 13 2012,22:41) Quote (bodhitharta @ April 13 2012,13:54) Quote (Ed J @ April 13 2012,13:35) Quote (bodhitharta @ April 13 2012,10:54) Lazarus was raised to life so he was sinless.
Scripture Please?
I asked you was he sinless since because the scripture says“For he that is dead is freed from sin.”
Lazarus was dead
John 11:14
Then said Jesus unto them plainly, Lazarus is dead.
Bodhitharta.That scripture simply means that when one has died,one does not sin anymore.
wakeup.
The scripture does say that he was resurrected and not revived Jesus even assured his sister saying “I am the resurrection” so Lazarus was resurrected just like Jesus according to the scriptures.
B.tharta.Lazarus was not resurrected; but he was revived.
He died again, as time has past,and was burried.In the resurrection, we will be as the angels.(spirit).
We will never die.wakeup.
When Jesus was resurrected, was he “as the angels?”What do you believe is the definition of resurrection?
I find the thought that Lazarus wasn't resurrected odd to me–that he was revived, but not resurrected.Is this what a lot of people believe?
Quote (david @ Oct. 28 2012,05:20) Quote (Ed J @ Oct. 27 2012,17:08) Quote (david @ Oct. 27 2012,15:39) Quote (Ed J @ Oct. 27 2012,17:08) Normally I insert the refferenced Hebrew and Greek wording I cite, but since the JW's don't provide it
in the propaganda material I receive from them, I felt it was OK for me to leave it out of my post to David.
Also, why do you receive “propaganda material” fromJW?
Hi David,Because that's what it takes to be a 'regular pioneer'.
God bless
Ed J
(1)No, my question is why do you believe you have decided to receive what you call “propaganda material” from witnesses?(2)You know, you can get all of the magazines on the jw.org website now? You can also check out the reasoning book, something wasn't shown in the past. It's a book that outlines our arguments on a variety of subjects that we come up against in the ministry. I think you would enjoy it for the same reason you probably are speaking with these visitors.
Hi David,1) FreeWill
2) Yes I know David, only the 'publishers' were allowed to see that book.
I have had my copy of it (the reasoning book) for a good while now.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (david @ Oct. 28 2012,05:22) Quote (david @ Oct. 26 2012,16:10) Quote (Wakeup @ Oct. 26 2012,09:03) Quote (bodhitharta @ April 16 2012,15:36) Quote (Wakeup @ April 13 2012,22:41) Quote (bodhitharta @ April 13 2012,13:54) Quote (Ed J @ April 13 2012,13:35) Quote (bodhitharta @ April 13 2012,10:54) Lazarus was raised to life so he was sinless.
Scripture Please?
I asked you was he sinless since because the scripture says“For he that is dead is freed from sin.”
Lazarus was dead
John 11:14
Then said Jesus unto them plainly, Lazarus is dead.
Bodhitharta.That scripture simply means that when one has died,one does not sin anymore.
wakeup.
The scripture does say that he was resurrected and not revived Jesus even assured his sister saying “I am the resurrection” so Lazarus was resurrected just like Jesus according to the scriptures.
B.tharta.Lazarus was not resurrected; but he was revived.
He died again, as time has past,and was burried.In the resurrection, we will be as the angels.(spirit).
We will never die.wakeup.
When Jesus was resurrected, was he “as the angels?”What do you believe is the definition of resurrection?
I find the thought that Lazarus wasn't resurrected odd to me–that he was revived, but not resurrected.Is this what a lot of people believe?
Hi David.Lazarus died before Christ did.
Christ is the firstborn of the dead,
and Christ was raised into spirit.Quote (journey42 @ Oct. 29 2012,03:22) Quote (david @ Oct. 28 2012,05:22) Quote (david @ Oct. 26 2012,16:10) Quote (Wakeup @ Oct. 26 2012,09:03) Quote (bodhitharta @ April 16 2012,15:36) Quote (Wakeup @ April 13 2012,22:41) Quote (bodhitharta @ April 13 2012,13:54) Quote (Ed J @ April 13 2012,13:35) Quote (bodhitharta @ April 13 2012,10:54) Lazarus was raised to life so he was sinless.
Scripture Please?
I asked you was he sinless since because the scripture says“For he that is dead is freed from sin.”
Lazarus was dead
John 11:14
Then said Jesus unto them plainly, Lazarus is dead.
Bodhitharta.That scripture simply means that when one has died,one does not sin anymore.
wakeup.
The scripture does say that he was resurrected and not revived Jesus even assured his sister saying “I am the resurrection” so Lazarus was resurrected just like Jesus according to the scriptures.
B.tharta.Lazarus was not resurrected; but he was revived.
He died again, as time has past,and was burried.In the resurrection, we will be as the angels.(spirit).
We will never die.wakeup.
When Jesus was resurrected, was he “as the angels?”What do you believe is the definition of resurrection?
I find the thought that Lazarus wasn't resurrected odd to me–that he was revived, but not resurrected.Is this what a lot of people believe?
Hi David.Lazarus died before Christ did.
Christ is the firstborn of the dead,
and Christ was raised into spirit.
Lazarus was raised from te dead and was flesh and bone just like when Jesus was raised from the dead according to the scriptures and Lazarus was dead even longerQuote Lazarus was raised from te dead and was flesh and bone just like when Jesus was raised from the dead according to the scriptures and Lazarus was dead even longer
Romans 6:9 Knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dieth no more; death hath no more dominion over him.Romans 8:11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead SHALL ALSO QUICKEN YOUR MORTAL BODIES by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.
Jesus was not flesh and bone when he was raised, for he only “appeared” as flesh and bone to the apostles, otherwise they would not of seen him, as man cannot see spirit. Jesus vanished also, and appeared somewhere else….flesh and bone can not do this. Christ was raised spirit.
Quote 1) FreeWill Free will could be the answer for any question. You still didn't answer the question. Ed, if you asked me “why…..” And I said “free will” you would think I was avoiding the question.
I just wonder why you are receiving magazines fromJW? Especially given that you say they are propaganda material?
Quote (journey42 @ Oct. 29 2012,16:42) Quote Lazarus was raised from te dead and was flesh and bone just like when Jesus was raised from the dead according to the scriptures and Lazarus was dead even longer
Romans 6:9 Knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dieth no more; death hath no more dominion over him.Romans 8:11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead SHALL ALSO QUICKEN YOUR MORTAL BODIES by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.
Jesus was not flesh and bone when he was raised, for he only “appeared” as flesh and bone to the apostles, otherwise they would not of seen him, as man cannot see spirit. Jesus vanished also, and appeared somewhere else….flesh and bone can not do this. Christ was raised spirit.
Journey, do you know that you are only one of two people on this forum that believes that Jesus wasn't resurrected in flesh form, but was resurrected as a spirit?Quote (david @ Oct. 29 2012,16:55) Quote 1) FreeWill Free will could be the answer for any question. You still didn't answer the question. Ed, if you asked me “why…..” And I said “free will” you would think I was avoiding the question.
I just wonder why you are receiving magazines fromJW? Especially given that you say they are propaganda material?
Hi David,I don't understand what you are asking?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (david @ Oct. 29 2012,16:58) Quote (journey42 @ Oct. 29 2012,16:42) Quote Lazarus was raised from te dead and was flesh and bone just like when Jesus was raised from the dead according to the scriptures and Lazarus was dead even longer
Romans 6:9 Knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dieth no more; death hath no more dominion over him.Romans 8:11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead SHALL ALSO QUICKEN YOUR MORTAL BODIES by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.
Jesus was not flesh and bone when he was raised, for he only “appeared” as flesh and bone to the apostles, otherwise they would not of seen him, as man cannot see spirit. Jesus vanished also, and appeared somewhere else….flesh and bone can not do this. Christ was raised spirit.
Journey, do you know that you are only one of two people on this forum that believes that Jesus wasn't resurrected in flesh form, but was resurrected as a spirit?
Hi David,No I didn't know that. I thought all christians understood this?
Isn't that the promise to us?, that we be raised incorruptible like our Lord did? …Christ, the Firstborn of the dead.
For flesh gets sick, dies & rots, it's a lesser material. Spirit does not do this.Quote (Ed J @ Oct. 30 2012,08:16) Quote (david @ Oct. 29 2012,16:55) Quote 1) FreeWill Free will could be the answer for any question. You still didn't answer the question. Ed, if you asked me “why…..” And I said “free will” you would think I was avoiding the question.
I just wonder why you are receiving magazines fromJW? Especially given that you say they are propaganda material?
Hi David,I don't understand what you are asking?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
I asked you why you are receiving what you believe to be propaganda material from JW.You answered : because I can (free will)
Not really an answer that explains WHY you are. You also have free will not to, right. You have chosen one over the other. Wy?
Quote (journey42 @ Oct. 30 2012,09:05) Quote (david @ Oct. 29 2012,16:58) Quote (journey42 @ Oct. 29 2012,16:42) Quote Lazarus was raised from te dead and was flesh and bone just like when Jesus was raised from the dead according to the scriptures and Lazarus was dead even longer
Romans 6:9 Knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dieth no more; death hath no more dominion over him.Romans 8:11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead SHALL ALSO QUICKEN YOUR MORTAL BODIES by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.
Jesus was not flesh and bone when he was raised, for he only “appeared” as flesh and bone to the apostles, otherwise they would not of seen him, as man cannot see spirit. Jesus vanished also, and appeared somewhere else….flesh and bone can not do this. Christ was raised spirit.
Journey, do you know that you are only one of two people on this forum that believes that Jesus wasn't resurrected in flesh form, but was resurrected as a spirit?
Hi David,No I didn't know that. I thought all christians understood this?
Isn't that the promise to us?, that we be raised incorruptible like our Lord did? …Christ, the Firstborn of the dead.
For flesh gets sick, dies & rots, it's a lesser material. Spirit does not do this.
No. Everyone strongly disagrees with us. There is precisely one scripture they use against it. I will find a thread that discusses it.Quote (david @ Oct. 30 2012,12:05) Quote (Ed J @ Oct. 30 2012,08:16) Quote (david @ Oct. 29 2012,16:55) Quote 1) FreeWill Free will could be the answer for any question. You still didn't answer the question. Ed, if you asked me “why…..” And I said “free will” you would think I was avoiding the question.
I just wonder why you are receiving magazines fromJW? Especially given that you say they are propaganda material?
Hi David,I don't understand what you are asking?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
I asked you why you are receiving what you believe to be propaganda material from JW.You answered : because I can (free will)
Not really an answer that explains WHY you are. You also have free will not to, right. You have chosen one over the other. Wy?
You realize that you are essentially supporting JW? You may think you are un converting them, but, that is highly unlikely. You are just adding to a series of statistics that increases certain beliefs. You are supporting them. And for other neighbours that see them come to you, they would draw the same conclusion.Quote (david @ Oct. 30 2012,12:06) Quote (journey42 @ Oct. 30 2012,09:05) Quote (david @ Oct. 29 2012,16:58) Quote (journey42 @ Oct. 29 2012,16:42) Quote Lazarus was raised from te dead and was flesh and bone just like when Jesus was raised from the dead according to the scriptures and Lazarus was dead even longer
Romans 6:9 Knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dieth no more; death hath no more dominion over him.Romans 8:11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead SHALL ALSO QUICKEN YOUR MORTAL BODIES by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.
Jesus was not flesh and bone when he was raised, for he only “appeared” as flesh and bone to the apostles, otherwise they would not of seen him, as man cannot see spirit. Jesus vanished also, and appeared somewhere else….flesh and bone can not do this. Christ was raised spirit.
Journey, do you know that you are only one of two people on this forum that believes that Jesus wasn't resurrected in flesh form, but was resurrected as a spirit?
Hi David,No I didn't know that. I thought all christians understood this?
Isn't that the promise to us?, that we be raised incorruptible like our Lord did? …Christ, the Firstborn of the dead.
For flesh gets sick, dies & rots, it's a lesser material. Spirit does not do this.
No. Everyone strongly disagrees with us. There is precisely one scripture they use against it. I will find a thread that discusses it.
Journey,“where is the body of Jesus now.”
I've had this discussion about 12 times over the past several years. This is the last discussion we had on it, I think, in the thread listed above.
Quote (david @ Oct. 30 2012,12:05) Quote (Ed J @ Oct. 30 2012,08:16) Quote (david @ Oct. 29 2012,16:55) Quote 1) FreeWill Free will could be the answer for any question. You still didn't answer the question. Ed, if you asked me “why…..” And I said “free will” you would think I was avoiding the question.
I just wonder why you are receiving magazines fromJW? Especially given that you say they are propaganda material?
Hi David,I don't understand what you are asking?
God bless
Ed J
I asked you why you are receiving what you believe to be propaganda material from JW.You answered : because I can (free will)
Not really an answer that explains WHY you are. You also have free will not to, right. You have chosen one over the other. Wy?
Hi David,I don't understand the intent of your question?
Some of it I accept, some of it I do not.Quote Not really an answer that explains WHY you are. What the heck is this suppose to mean?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (david @ Oct. 30 2012,12:06) Quote (journey42 @ Oct. 30 2012,09:05) Quote (david @ Oct. 29 2012,16:58) Quote (journey42 @ Oct. 29 2012,16:42) Quote Lazarus was raised from te dead and was flesh and bone just like when Jesus was raised from the dead according to the scriptures and Lazarus was dead even longer
Romans 6:9 Knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dieth no more; death hath no more dominion over him.Romans 8:11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead SHALL ALSO QUICKEN YOUR MORTAL BODIES by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.
Jesus was not flesh and bone when he was raised, for he only “appeared” as flesh and bone to the apostles, otherwise they would not of seen him, as man cannot see spirit. Jesus vanished also, and appeared somewhere else….flesh and bone can not do this. Christ was raised spirit.
Journey, do you know that you are only one of two people on this forum that believes that Jesus wasn't resurrected in flesh form, but was resurrected as a spirit?
Hi David,No I didn't know that. I thought all christians understood this?
Isn't that the promise to us?, that we be raised incorruptible like our Lord did? …Christ, the Firstborn of the dead.
For flesh gets sick, dies & rots, it's a lesser material. Spirit does not do this.
No. Everyone strongly disagrees with us. There is precisely one scripture they use against it. I will find a thread that discusses it.
Hi David,When you say “us” are you referring to you and Journey42?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (david @ Oct. 30 2012,12:08) Quote (david @ Oct. 30 2012,12:05) Quote (Ed J @ Oct. 30 2012,08:16) Quote (david @ Oct. 29 2012,16:55) Quote 1) FreeWill Free will could be the answer for any question. You still didn't answer the question. Ed, if you asked me “why…..” And I said “free will” you would think I was avoiding the question.
I just wonder why you are receiving magazines fromJW? Especially given that you say they are propaganda material?
Hi David,I don't understand what you are asking?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
I asked you why you are receiving what you believe to be propaganda material from JW.You answered : because I can (free will)
Not really an answer that explains WHY you are. You also have free will not to, right. You have chosen one over the other. Wy?
You realize that you are essentially supporting JW? You may think you are un converting them, but, that is highly unlikely. You are just adding to a series of statistics that increases certain beliefs. You are supporting them. And for other neighbours that see them come to you, they would draw the same conclusion.
Jesus said: “he that is not against us is on our part.” (Mark 9:39-40)Quote (Ed J @ Oct. 31 2012,04:21) Quote (david @ Oct. 30 2012,12:05) Quote (Ed J @ Oct. 30 2012,08:16) Quote (david @ Oct. 29 2012,16:55) Quote 1) FreeWill Free will could be the answer for any question. You still didn't answer the question. Ed, if you asked me “why…..” And I said “free will” you would think I was avoiding the question.
I just wonder why you are receiving magazines fromJW? Especially given that you say they are propaganda material?
Hi David,I don't understand what you are asking?
God bless
Ed J
I asked you why you are receiving what you believe to be propaganda material from JW.You answered : because I can (free will)
Not really an answer that explains WHY you are. You also have free will not to, right. You have chosen one over the other. Wy?
Hi David,I don't understand the intent of your question?
Some of it I accept, some of it I do not.Quote Not really an answer that explains WHY you are. What the heck is this suppose to mean?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
I am having great difficulty in understanding why you are so confused about my question.Why do you receive literature fromJW?
Why do you receive literature that you say is propaganda material?“Free will” being your answer, does not explain why you have chosen to. It only explains that you have the ability to choose to do so. It's a rather simple question Ed. Most people do not. You do. Why?
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