Understanding ed

[Ed J]

Hi BD,

      THIS VERSE IS FOR YOU, BD:    2 Tim 3:7 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.
  No, that's not the significant difference. You know a lot of bible verses, but you still miss “The Big Picture”!  (Romans 6:5-11)

“If we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection: Knowing this,
that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.

For he that is dead is freed from sin. Now if we be dead with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with him:
Knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dieth no more; death hath no more dominion over him.
For in that he died, he died unto sin once: but in that he liveth, he liveth unto God. Likewise reckon
ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord.

B'shem, יהוה (YÄ-hä-vā)
עד (Ed) (Joshua 22:34)

[bodhitharta]

Quote (Ed J @ April 13 2012,10:04)

Hi BD,       THIS VERSE IS FOR YOU, BD:    2 Tim 3:7 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.   No, that's not the significant difference. You know a lot of bible verses, but you still miss “The Big Picture”!  (Romans 6:5-11) “If we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection: Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin. For he that is dead is freed from sin. Now if we be dead with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with him: Knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dieth no more; death hath no more dominion over him. For in that he died, he died unto sin once: but in that he liveth, he liveth unto God. Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord. B'shem, יהוה (YÄ-hä-vā) עד (Ed) (Joshua 22:34)

So, Lazarus was raised to life so he was sinless.Did lazarus after being raised from thedead die again?

[Ed J]

Quote (bodhitharta @ April 13 2012,10:54)

Lazarus was raised to life so he was sinless.

Scripture Please?

[bodhitharta]

Quote (Ed J @ April 13 2012,13:35)

Quote (bodhitharta @ April 13 2012,10:54) Lazarus was raised to life so he was sinless. Scripture Please?

I asked you was he sinless since because the scripture says

“For he that is dead is freed from sin.”

Lazarus was dead

John 11:14
Then said Jesus unto them plainly, Lazarus is dead.

[Wakeup]

Quote (Ed J @ April 13 2012,13:35)

Quote (bodhitharta @ April 13 2012,10:54) Lazarus was raised to life so he was sinless. Scripture Please?

EDJ.

Wrong; you are using your logic.
Lazarus will still be judged,and resurected in spirit,if he is a true believer,which I think he is.

But all the dead have not become sinless because of death.

wakeup.

[Wakeup]

Quote (Ed J @ April 13 2012,13:35)

Quote (bodhitharta @ April 13 2012,10:54) Lazarus was raised to life so he was sinless. Scripture Please?

EDJ.

Lazarus was not resurrected,but revived,he will die again of old age maybe,and later resrrected,if found worthy.

wakeup.

[Wakeup]

Quote (bodhitharta @ April 13 2012,13:54)

Quote (Ed J @ April 13 2012,13:35) Quote (bodhitharta @ April 13 2012,10:54) Lazarus was raised to life so he was sinless. Scripture Please? I asked you was he sinless since because the scripture says “For he that is dead is freed from sin.” Lazarus was dead John 11:14 Then said Jesus unto them plainly, Lazarus is dead.

Bodhitharta.

That scripture simply means that when one has died,one does not sin anymore.

wakeup.

[Ed J]

Quote (Wakeup @ April 13 2012,22:34)

Quote (Ed J @ April 13 2012,13:35) Quote (bodhitharta @ April 13 2012,10:54) Lazarus was raised to life so he was sinless. Scripture Please? EDJ. The dead have not become sinless because of death. wakeup.

Hi Wakeup, thank you, and,

I agree!    …BD has many misunderstandings where the bible is concerned.

Your brother
in Christ, Jesus.
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)

[Ed J]

Quote (Wakeup @ April 13 2012,22:38)

Quote (Ed J @ April 13 2012,13:35) Quote (bodhitharta @ April 13 2012,10:54) Lazarus was raised to life so he was sinless. Scripture Please? EDJ. Lazarus was not resurrected,but revived,he will die again of old age maybe,and later resrrected,if found worthy. wakeup.

Hi Wakeup,

You are arguing semantics. …truly a waste of time!

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[Ed J]

Quote (Wakeup @ April 13 2012,22:41)

Quote (bodhitharta @ April 13 2012,13:54) Quote (Ed J @ April 13 2012,13:35) Quote (bodhitharta @ April 13 2012,10:54) Lazarus was raised to life so he was sinless. Scripture Please? I asked you was he sinless since because the scripture says “For he that is dead is freed from sin.” Lazarus was dead John 11:14 Then said Jesus unto them plainly, Lazarus is dead. Bodhitharta. That scripture simply means that when one has died,one does not sin anymore. wakeup.

Hi Wakeup, thank you, and,

I agree!    …BD has many misunderstandings where the bible is concerned.

Your brother
in Christ, Jesus.
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)

[bodhitharta]

Quote (Wakeup @ April 13 2012,22:41)

Quote (bodhitharta @ April 13 2012,13:54) Quote (Ed J @ April 13 2012,13:35) Quote (bodhitharta @ April 13 2012,10:54) Lazarus was raised to life so he was sinless. Scripture Please? I asked you was he sinless since because the scripture says “For he that is dead is freed from sin.” Lazarus was dead John 11:14 Then said Jesus unto them plainly, Lazarus is dead. Bodhitharta. That scripture simply means that when one has died,one does not sin anymore. wakeup.

The scripture does say that he was resurrected and not revived Jesus even assured his sister saying “I am the resurrection” so Lazarus was resurrected just like Jesus according to the scriptures.

[Wakeup]

Quote (bodhitharta @ April 16 2012,15:36)

Quote (Wakeup @ April 13 2012,22:41) Quote (bodhitharta @ April 13 2012,13:54) Quote (Ed J @ April 13 2012,13:35) Quote (bodhitharta @ April 13 2012,10:54) Lazarus was raised to life so he was sinless. Scripture Please? I asked you was he sinless since because the scripture says “For he that is dead is freed from sin.” Lazarus was dead John 11:14 Then said Jesus unto them plainly, Lazarus is dead. Bodhitharta. That scripture simply means that when one has died,one does not sin anymore. wakeup. The scripture does say that he was resurrected and not revived Jesus even assured his sister saying “I am the resurrection” so Lazarus was resurrected just like Jesus according to the scriptures.

B.tharta.

Lazarus was not resurrected; but he was revived.
He died again, as time has past,and was burried.

In the resurrection, we will be as the angels.(spirit).
We will never die.

wakeup.

[bodhitharta]

Quote (Wakeup @ Oct. 26 2012,09:03)

Quote (bodhitharta @ April 16 2012,15:36) Quote (Wakeup @ April 13 2012,22:41) Quote (bodhitharta @ April 13 2012,13:54) Quote (Ed J @ April 13 2012,13:35) Quote (bodhitharta @ April 13 2012,10:54) Lazarus was raised to life so he was sinless. Scripture Please? I asked you was he sinless since because the scripture says “For he that is dead is freed from sin.” Lazarus was dead John 11:14 Then said Jesus unto them plainly, Lazarus is dead. Bodhitharta. That scripture simply means that when one has died,one does not sin anymore. wakeup. The scripture does say that he was resurrected and not revived Jesus even assured his sister saying “I am the resurrection” so Lazarus was resurrected just like Jesus according to the scriptures. B.tharta. Lazarus was not resurrected; but he was revived. He died again, as time has past,and was burried. In the resurrection, we will be as the angels.(spirit). We will never die. wakeup.

No Lazarus was not revived he was resurrected but yes the final resurrect is as you say

[david]

Quote (Wakeup @ Oct. 26 2012,09:03)

Quote (bodhitharta @ April 16 2012,15:36) Quote (Wakeup @ April 13 2012,22:41) Quote (bodhitharta @ April 13 2012,13:54) Quote (Ed J @ April 13 2012,13:35) Quote (bodhitharta @ April 13 2012,10:54) Lazarus was raised to life so he was sinless. Scripture Please? I asked you was he sinless since because the scripture says “For he that is dead is freed from sin.” Lazarus was dead John 11:14 Then said Jesus unto them plainly, Lazarus is dead. Bodhitharta. That scripture simply means that when one has died,one does not sin anymore. wakeup. The scripture does say that he was resurrected and not revived Jesus even assured his sister saying “I am the resurrection” so Lazarus was resurrected just like Jesus according to the scriptures. B.tharta. Lazarus was not resurrected; but he was revived. He died again, as time has past,and was burried. In the resurrection, we will be as the angels.(spirit). We will never die. wakeup.

When Jesus was resurrected, was he “as the angels?”

What do you believe is the definition of resurrection?

[david]

Quote (Wakeup @ April 13 2012,22:38)

Quote (Ed J @ April 13 2012,13:35) Quote (bodhitharta @ April 13 2012,10:54) Lazarus was raised to life so he was sinless. Scripture Please? EDJ. Lazarus was not resurrected,but revived,he will die again of old age maybe,and later resrrected,if found worthy. wakeup.

If you check the commentaries in Byblos.com,

Vincent's word studies
Is freed (δεδικαίωται)
Lit., as Rev., is justified; i.e., acquitted, absolved; just as the dead person sins no more, being released from sin as from a legal claim. “As a man that is dead is acquitted and released from bondage among men, so a man that has died to sin is acquitted from the guilt of sin and released from its bondage” (Alford).

Jamieson-Fausset-Brown Bible Commentary
7. For he that is dead-rather, “hath died.”
is freed-“hath been set free.”
from sin-literally, “justified,” “acquitted,” “got his discharge from sin.” As death dissolves all claims, so the whole claim of sin, not only to “reign unto death,” but to keep its victims in sinful bondage, has been discharged once for all, by the believer's penal death in the death of Christ; so that he is no longer a “debtor to the flesh to live after the flesh” (Ro 8:12).

[Ed J]

Quote (david @ Oct. 26 2012,16:10)

When Jesus was resurrected, was he “as the angels?” What do you believe is the definition of resurrection?

Hi David,

In the resurrection, Jesus disappeared after having dinner with two travelers.
Jesus, in the resurrection, also entered into locked rooms with a number of witness.
Jesus is also recorded as having eaten fish, and may have even had wine. (see Luke 22:18)
The Angels (bene ha-elohim) are recorded as having offspring with the daughters of men (adm);  
this is indicative, that among their members, they, (bene ha-elohim) did make use of their equipment.

Might I suggest that dimensional time travel might
be part of the resurrection as well, and we
can certainly look forward to that.

Your brother
in Christ, Jesus.
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
holycitybiblecode.org
Note: Normally I insert the refferenced Hebrew and Greek wording I cite, but since the JW's don't provide it
in the propaganda material I receive from them, I felt it was OK for me to leave it out of my post to David.

[Ed J]

Hi David,

You're resurrecting a dead thread; and
might I also add your two last posts are off topic.
You haven't mentioned numbers saying what you want.

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[Wakeup]

Quote (bodhitharta @ April 16 2012,15:36)

Quote (Wakeup @ April 13 2012,22:41) Quote (bodhitharta @ April 13 2012,13:54) Quote (Ed J @ April 13 2012,13:35) Quote (bodhitharta @ April 13 2012,10:54) Lazarus was raised to life so he was sinless. Scripture Please? I asked you was he sinless since because the scripture says “For he that is dead is freed from sin.” Lazarus was dead John 11:14 Then said Jesus unto them plainly, Lazarus is dead. Bodhitharta. That scripture simply means that when one has died,one does not sin anymore. wakeup. The scripture does say that he was resurrected and not revived Jesus even assured his sister saying “I am the resurrection” so Lazarus was resurrected just like Jesus according to the scriptures.

B.thatrta.

You are correct,but thats a matter of interpretation,because those interpreters,and writers or copiers,are not necessary full of the knowledge,of what is written.

But we can see the difference between a revived person or a resurrected person. For there is a difference.

Dead persons are revived back to life every day in the hospitals,do you agree? but they will die again.

A resurrected person will never die again.

Jesus indeed said I am the resurrection;he was speaking of the resurrection, not of that miracle.

See john 12:1.2. Here you see lazarus having supper with the Lord after he was revived.

wakeup.

[Wakeup]

Quote (david @ Oct. 26 2012,16:27)

Quote (Wakeup @ April 13 2012,22:38) Quote (Ed J @ April 13 2012,13:35) Quote (bodhitharta @ April 13 2012,10:54) Lazarus was raised to life so he was sinless. Scripture Please? EDJ. Lazarus was not resurrected,but revived,he will die again of old age maybe,and later resrrected,if found worthy. wakeup. If you check the commentaries in Byblos.com, Vincent's word studies Is freed (δεδικαίωται) Lit., as Rev., is justified; i.e., acquitted, absolved; just as the dead person sins no more, being released from sin as from a legal claim. “As a man that is dead is acquitted and released from bondage among men, so a man that has died to sin is acquitted from the guilt of sin and released from its bondage” (Alford). Jamieson-Fausset-Brown Bible Commentary 7. For he that is dead-rather, “hath died.” is freed-“hath been set free.” from sin-literally, “justified,” “acquitted,” “got his discharge from sin.” As death dissolves all claims, so the whole claim of sin, not only to “reign unto death,” but to keep its victims in sinful bondage, has been discharged once for all, by the believer's penal death in the death of Christ; so that he is no longer a “debtor to the flesh to live after the flesh” (Ro 8:12).

David.

That can not be further from the truth.
That only means that all the resurrected will be cleared from their evil works.None are guilty; all are saved.

Non christians will be judged by the books.
There are sheeps and goats.rev.20:12.13.

The resurrected will be as the angels.Matt.22:30.

wakeup.

[david]

Quote (Ed J @ Oct. 26 2012,17:18)

Quote (david @ Oct. 26 2012,16:10) When Jesus was resurrected, was he “as the angels?” What do you believe is the definition of resurrection? Hi David, In the resurrection, Jesus disappeared after having dinner with two travelers. Jesus, in the resurrection, also entered into locked rooms with a number of witness. Jesus is also recorded as having eaten fish, and may have even had wine. (see Luke 22:18) The Angels (bene ha-elohim) are recorded as having offspring with the daughters of men (adm);   this is indicative, that among their members, they, (bene ha-elohim) did make use of their equipment. Might I suggest that dimensional time travel might be part of the resurrection as well, and we can certainly look forward to that. Your brother in Christ, Jesus. Ed J (Joshua 22:34) holycitybiblecode.org Note: Normally I insert the refferenced Hebrew and Greek wording I cite, but since the JW's don't provide it in the propaganda material I receive from them, I felt it was OK for me to leave it out of my post to David.

You never never answered the question, or at least, not clearly.

Also, why do you receive “propaganda material” fromJW?

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