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Quote (t8 @ Dec. 04 2010,03:08) Quote (WhatIsTrue @ Dec. 03 2010,12:26) T8, That's a great way to explain a scientific concept in laymen's terms. It's too bad the bible doesn't do that. For example, if that's what you think the Isaiah passage is saying, it surely did a very poor job of it.
What I saw was you doubting or questioning the idea of [stretching] out the heavens as a curtain” and I was just saying that it is not a contradictory statement that was all and hence it can be easy to laugh at the language of the day, but sometimes you need to imagine what the words are saying and compare.I actually do not think the bible's purpose is to be scientific, but has the purpose of guiding men to God and as such it might reveal scientific truth in that process. Such ideas about God doing this and that is not a revelation or scientific statement but a statement of faith that God made the heavens.
To this day we say things like “my car is fast as a rocket”. Such a statement is not scientific but a descriptor to give you an idea.
Man has and still is very limited in his understanding of the universe. I think that we will know much more in the next life when we inherit eternal life in new spiritual bodies we will have plenty of time and better understanding to see things as they really are. The Earth and everything here is really an image of what is to come, and I think of it as being at school and one day we will graduate to higher education. Consequently, the bible is more about what is important to us now, than scientific data pertaining to the cosmos.
Great. What about my other two issues with the passage?1. When it says that “he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth”, is that a literal statement?
2. What about “[spreading] them out as a tent to dwell in”? Is that meant to imply that the “heavens” are a covering over our heads only, (i.e. not something that the earth is a part of), or is that figurative language for something else?
Quote (Stu @ Dec. 07 2010,20:16) This seems to really be bothering you t8. Perhaps you fear that I might be right. Would you like to talk about it? OK, maybe that is like the pigs discussing culinary techniques with a wolf, but I am here to help you with your doubts. Remember that doubting is the only honest approach!
Stuart
It doesn't bother me. I made a perfectly good observation that many in the world love God and spend a lot of time thinking and talking about God. Even many who do not believe in God seem to as well.Seems strange if there was no God.
I know that there is no 50 foot marshmallow man on Mars and as you would expect, there is not a lot of discussion about him.
If I set up a forum called 50footmarshman.com, would you participate everyday? Just curios.
Quote (WhatIsTrue @ Dec. 08 2010,03:34) Great. What about my other two issues with the passage? 1. When it says that “he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth”, is that a literal statement?
2. What about “[spreading] them out as a tent to dwell in”? Is that meant to imply that the “heavens” are a covering over our heads only, (i.e. not something that the earth is a part of), or is that figurative language for something else?
Not sure.Just pointing out that they are not wrong.
The universe is being spread out as we speak.
I am not qualified to speak on behalf of the one who penned it and haven't done enough study to give you a exegesis.
Quote (t8 @ Dec. 08 2010,06:56) Quote (Stu @ Dec. 07 2010,20:16) This seems to really be bothering you t8. Perhaps you fear that I might be right. Would you like to talk about it? OK, maybe that is like the pigs discussing culinary techniques with a wolf, but I am here to help you with your doubts. Remember that doubting is the only honest approach!
Stuart
It doesn't bother me. I made a perfectly good observation that many in the world love God and spend a lot of time thinking and talking about God. Even many who do not believe in God seem to as well.Seems strange if there was no God.
I know that there is no 50 foot marshmallow man on Mars and as you would expect, there is not a lot of discussion about him.
If I set up a forum called 50footmarshman.com, would you participate everyday? Just curios.
If people actually took your 50 foot marshmallow man as seriously as they took their belief in your Imaginary Sky Friend then that would also be of interest as another example of taking seriously things that do not appear to exist outside the believer's head. There are websites for believers in the Flying Spaghetti Monster (bhna) and Russell's Teapot too.http://www.facebook.com/pages/Russells-Teapot/73355536273
Stuart
Pardon the interruption, even though I have not read the chatter in the thread, however the thread is titled understanding ed.
Just wanted you to know ed J, it has been on my heart for a while to say thank you for concern in a prior conversation, I do not follow hn as much however I did want to say thank you.
Blessings and peace Ed J.
Quote (t8 @ Dec. 08 2010,07:00) Quote (WhatIsTrue @ Dec. 08 2010,03:34) Great. What about my other two issues with the passage? 1. When it says that “he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth”, is that a literal statement?
2. What about “[spreading] them out as a tent to dwell in”? Is that meant to imply that the “heavens” are a covering over our heads only, (i.e. not something that the earth is a part of), or is that figurative language for something else?
Not sure.Just pointing out that they are not wrong.
The universe is being spread out as we speak.
I am not qualified to speak on behalf of the one who penned it and haven't done enough study to give you a exegesis.
That hasn't stopped you the past.Stuart
Quote (princess of the king @ Dec. 10 2010,13:04) Pardon the interruption, even though I have not read the chatter in the thread, however the thread is titled understanding ed. Just wanted you to know ed J, it has been on my heart for a while to say thank you for concern in a prior conversation, I do not follow hn as much however I did want to say thank you.
Blessings and peace Ed J.
Hi Princess of The King,Thank you, and I love you too!
I wish you and your family a “Merry Christmas”!God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (david @ Nov. 03 2010,19:02) Quote (bodhitharta @ June 25 2010,14:44) Maybe there is something to it Ed is lucifer=111
Receive a mark=111
Mark of beast=111
Witchcraft=111
Sorceries=111
Computer=111
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“ed is lucifer” in English Gematria Equals: 666
Scary. I am now staying away from Ed. I always thought there was something fishy about that guy. Now, the numbers prove it. Can't argue with the numbers.
Ed,is this what you want me to recant?Obviously, it was a joke. I do not believe you are lucifer.
However, I do believe that the proof of you being lucifer is equally strong to any other hidden Bible code proof you have.
In other words, I don't believe either.
But if you took the numbers seriously and somehow believed and perhaps felt bad about that “proof” then I am sorry and I recant my statement that the bible code proves you are lucifer. I did not mean for you to be that upset by it, but thought you would see the humor it in, but of course, you didn't, because you take the numbers very seriously. I should have considered that.
david
Quote (david @ Nov. 03 2010,19:04) Quote (JustAskin @ June 25 2010,16:24) Bod, This is an 'Inappropriate thread'
It will be deleted unless you can justify why you have created it.
Please do so in your next post here.
[Moderator]
I think this thread is completely justified.Ed bases everything on numbers. He sees patterns where there are none. He discriminates on how he determines which numbers to use or which words to match up.
It's bogus. You can play with numbers until you get the message you want. This thread proves it.
Ed, i would like to recant one statement in the following post:“Ed bases everything on numbers.”
That statement is false, as are most dichotomous (all or nothing) statements. I apologize.
But the other statements appear to be absolutely true, given everything we know.
david
Quote (david @ Dec. 16 2010,13:32) Quote (david @ Nov. 03 2010,19:02) Quote (bodhitharta @ June 25 2010,14:44) Maybe there is something to it Ed is lucifer=111
Receive a mark=111
Mark of beast=111
Witchcraft=111
Sorceries=111
Computer=111
—————————————————————
“ed is lucifer” in English Gematria Equals: 666
Scary. I am now staying away from Ed. I always thought there was something fishy about that guy. Now, the numbers prove it. Can't argue with the numbers.
Ed,is this what you want me to recant?Obviously, it was a joke. I do not believe you are lucifer.
However, I do believe that the proof of you being lucifer is equally strong to any other hidden Bible code proof you have.
In other words, I don't believe either.
But if you took the numbers seriously and somehow believed and perhaps felt bad about that “proof” then I am sorry and I recant my statement that the bible code proves you are lucifer. I did not mean for you to be that upset by it, but thought you would see the humor it in, but of course, you didn't, because you take the numbers very seriously. I should have considered that.
david
Hi David,I forgive you; David!
This type of 'defaming'
should not be allowed; T8!God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Ed J @ Dec. 26 2010,16:10) Quote (david @ Dec. 16 2010,13:32) Quote (david @ Nov. 03 2010,19:02) Quote (bodhitharta @ June 25 2010,14:44) Maybe there is something to it Ed is lucifer=111
Receive a mark=111
Mark of beast=111
Witchcraft=111
Sorceries=111
Computer=111
—————————————————————
“ed is lucifer” in English Gematria Equals: 666
Scary. I am now staying away from Ed. I always thought there was something fishy about that guy. Now, the numbers prove it. Can't argue with the numbers.
Ed,is this what you want me to recant?Obviously, it was a joke. I do not believe you are lucifer.
However, I do believe that the proof of you being lucifer is equally strong to any other hidden Bible code proof you have.
In other words, I don't believe either.
But if you took the numbers seriously and somehow believed and perhaps felt bad about that “proof” then I am sorry and I recant my statement that the bible code proves you are lucifer. I did not mean for you to be that upset by it, but thought you would see the humor it in, but of course, you didn't, because you take the numbers very seriously. I should have considered that.
david
Hi David,I forgive you; David!
This type of 'defaming'
should not be allowed; T8!God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
I agree but you have done this very same thing.Quote (bodhitharta @ Dec. 27 2010,10:57) Quote (Ed J @ Dec. 26 2010,16:10) Quote (david @ Dec. 16 2010,13:32) Quote (david @ Nov. 03 2010,19:02) Quote (bodhitharta @ June 25 2010,14:44) Maybe there is something to it Ed is lucifer=111
Receive a mark=111
Mark of beast=111
Witchcraft=111
Sorceries=111
Computer=111
—————————————————————
“ed is lucifer” in English Gematria Equals: 666
Scary. I am now staying away from Ed. I always thought there was something fishy about that guy. Now, the numbers prove it. Can't argue with the numbers.
Ed,is this what you want me to recant?Obviously, it was a joke. I do not believe you are lucifer.
However, I do believe that the proof of you being lucifer is equally strong to any other hidden Bible code proof you have.
In other words, I don't believe either.
But if you took the numbers seriously and somehow believed and perhaps felt bad about that “proof” then I am sorry and I recant my statement that the bible code proves you are lucifer. I did not mean for you to be that upset by it, but thought you would see the humor it in, but of course, you didn't, because you take the numbers very seriously. I should have considered that.
david
Hi David,I forgive you; David!
This type of 'defaming'
should not be allowed; T8!God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
I agree but you have done this very same thing.
Hi BD,I don't understand?
What are you agreeing with?YHVH bless
Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgEd. I can teach you the next stage of numbers.
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Quote (bodhitharta @ Nov. 08 2010,02:10) Quote (Stu @ Nov. 07 2010,15:44) BD Quote No, You are the LOSER. This woman has proclaimed her great happiness and if you really were for human rights you would congratulate her for finding happiness but instead you only contend your own arbitrary view of what YOU think happiness is therefor you are a LOSER.
Who said anything about happiness?? You are attempting to change the subject AGAIN. We are not talking about her happiness: the mullahs could just keep her sedated day and night and I am sure she could be made to appear happy. We are discussing systematic abuse of her human rights.Quote Where is this oppression of hers? You are an atheist/agnostic and have no set of standards that can be applied as “HUMAN RIGHTS” because to you ALL MORALITY is based upon arbitrary human based agreement. You fail at every turn and how could you be anything else but a LOSER when even the concept of being a winner is still arbitrary, even if this lady leaves Islam you have nothing to offer her because you believe in nothing.
Once again, your logically invalid attempt to discuss a different subject by attacking a strawman of it is desperate. A summary of abuses of human rights mandated in the koran:# Have sex with your women whenever and as often as you like. 2:223
# Women have rights that are similar to men, but men are “a degree above them.” 2:228
# A woman is worth one-half a man. 2:282
# Lewd women are to be confined to their houses until death. 4:15
# Instructions for exchanging wives 4:20
# “All married women (are forbidden unto you) save those (captives) whom your right hands possess.”
You can't have sex with married women, unless they are slaves obtained in war (with whom you may rape or do whatever you like). 4:24# Men are in charge of women, because Allah made men to be better than women. Refuse to have sex with women from whom you fear rebellion, and scourge them. 4:34
# “Unto the male is the equivalent share of two females.” 4:176
# You don't have to be modest around your wives or your slave girls “that your right hand possess.” 23:6
# Believing women must lower their gaze and be modest, cover themselves with veils, and not reveal themselves except to their husbands, relatives, children, and slaves. 24:31
# When Allah or Muhammad decide that a man and a woman should marry, they must marry. 33:36
# Allah says it is lawful for Muhammad to marry any women he wants. 33:50-51
# Women must cover themselves when in public. 33:59
# Those who “did wrong” will go to hell, and their wives will go to hell with them (no matter how they behaved). 37:22-23
(!# Allah's rules for divorcing wives that have not yet reached puberty. 65:4)
# Muhammad's wives need to be careful. If they criticize their husband, Allah will replace them with better ones. 66:5
Quote You believe that people are born and then they die and there is no inherent purpose for life during the life therefore how is it you can criticize anyone living when you say that there entire life is happenstance anyway? If you go down this road with me honestly you either will concede the point or give up Atheism
Wrong, and irrelevant. Please tell me how any woman’s human rights could possibly be unheld in any country applying koranic principles.I predict we will only get yet another attempt on your part to change the subject, as many people in many different parts of the world have correctly predicted of you in the past.
Stuart
No matter how you slice it if someone willfully finds Islam or any religion and says it fulfills their life you are a LOSER to say different even if they are “sedated ” like you say, you would still be incapable of judging someones happiness but I am aware that unhappy people tend to wish others could be unhappy are you unhappy?2:223 follows 222 did you read any of it or are you just grabbing stuff off of anti-Islam sites without reading the context? No need to answer we already know you can't be bothered to learn what you are talking about anyway 222 is saying that a man should refrain from having sex with his wife during her menstrual cycle because of cramps and the filth of it but ant other time it is fine. Of course being an atheist you may enjoy any filthy thing because you have no standards.
No need to go through the entire collection because I have already shown you have no desire to look into the context of any of them or face the truth no matter what they say. Do you really believe Men and Women are the same? I thought you believed and trusted in science they are not the same at all.
You still haven't explained what rights should people have or if there should be any restrictions at all.
I think I am going to cause you to run away from this because how can you with arbitrary morals defend or accuse moral principles?
Boditharta.Can you please respond to those kor,an verses posted by STU,can you clarify them to all of us?
Wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ April 08 2012,12:14) Quote (bodhitharta @ Nov. 08 2010,02:10) Quote (Stu @ Nov. 07 2010,15:44) BD Quote No, You are the LOSER. This woman has proclaimed her great happiness and if you really were for human rights you would congratulate her for finding happiness but instead you only contend your own arbitrary view of what YOU think happiness is therefor you are a LOSER.
Who said anything about happiness?? You are attempting to change the subject AGAIN. We are not talking about her happiness: the mullahs could just keep her sedated day and night and I am sure she could be made to appear happy. We are discussing systematic abuse of her human rights.Quote Where is this oppression of hers? You are an atheist/agnostic and have no set of standards that can be applied as “HUMAN RIGHTS” because to you ALL MORALITY is based upon arbitrary human based agreement. You fail at every turn and how could you be anything else but a LOSER when even the concept of being a winner is still arbitrary, even if this lady leaves Islam you have nothing to offer her because you believe in nothing.
Once again, your logically invalid attempt to discuss a different subject by attacking a strawman of it is desperate. A summary of abuses of human rights mandated in the koran:# Have sex with your women whenever and as often as you like. 2:223
# Women have rights that are similar to men, but men are “a degree above them.” 2:228
# A woman is worth one-half a man. 2:282
# Lewd women are to be confined to their houses until death. 4:15
# Instructions for exchanging wives 4:20
# “All married women (are forbidden unto you) save those (captives) whom your right hands possess.”
You can't have sex with married women, unless they are slaves obtained in war (with whom you may rape or do whatever you like). 4:24# Men are in charge of women, because Allah made men to be better than women. Refuse to have sex with women from whom you fear rebellion, and scourge them. 4:34
# “Unto the male is the equivalent share of two females.” 4:176
# You don't have to be modest around your wives or your slave girls “that your right hand possess.” 23:6
# Believing women must lower their gaze and be modest, cover themselves with veils, and not reveal themselves except to their husbands, relatives, children, and slaves. 24:31
# When Allah or Muhammad decide that a man and a woman should marry, they must marry. 33:36
# Allah says it is lawful for Muhammad to marry any women he wants. 33:50-51
# Women must cover themselves when in public. 33:59
# Those who “did wrong” will go to hell, and their wives will go to hell with them (no matter how they behaved). 37:22-23
(!# Allah's rules for divorcing wives that have not yet reached puberty. 65:4)
# Muhammad's wives need to be careful. If they criticize their husband, Allah will replace them with better ones. 66:5
Quote You believe that people are born and then they die and there is no inherent purpose for life during the life therefore how is it you can criticize anyone living when you say that there entire life is happenstance anyway? If you go down this road with me honestly you either will concede the point or give up Atheism
Wrong, and irrelevant. Please tell me how any woman’s human rights could possibly be unheld in any country applying koranic principles.I predict we will only get yet another attempt on your part to change the subject, as many people in many different parts of the world have correctly predicted of you in the past.
Stuart
No matter how you slice it if someone willfully finds Islam or any religion and says it fulfills their life you are a LOSER to say different even if they are “sedated ” like you say, you would still be incapable of judging someones happiness but I am aware that unhappy people tend to wish others could be unhappy are you unhappy?2:223 follows 222 did you read any of it or are you just grabbing stuff off of anti-Islam sites without reading the context? No need to answer we already know you can't be bothered to learn what you are talking about anyway 222 is saying that a man should refrain from having sex with his wife during her menstrual cycle because of cramps and the filth of it but ant other time it is fine. Of course being an atheist you may enjoy any filthy thing because you have no standards.
No need to go through the entire collection because I have already shown you have no desire to look into the context of any of them or face the truth no matter what they say. Do you really believe Men and Women are the same? I thought you believed and trusted in science they are not the same at all.
You still haven't explained what rights should people have or if there should be any restrictions at all.
I think I am going to cause you to run away from this because how can you with arbitrary morals defend or accuse moral principles?
Boditharta.Can you please respond to those kor,an verses posted by STU,can you clarify them to all of us?
Wakeup.
To be completely honest there is no need because all these things are in your bibleHusbands be submissive to your husband and your body is theirs and vice versa
A woman should not speak in church
The man is the hea of the woman
Women should be modest in dress
All this is in the Bible and there is nothing wrong with any of it unless you find fault with God.
Each argument against Islam is argument against your own faith for they are the same but you don't believe.
Hi BD,
What about the part about killing Christians and Jews?
That's not in “The Bible”? did you somehow think it was?B'shem, יהוה (YÄ-hä-vā)
עד (Ed) (Joshua 22:34)Quote (bodhitharta @ April 08 2012,13:50) Quote (Wakeup @ April 08 2012,12:14) Quote (bodhitharta @ Nov. 08 2010,02:10) Quote (Stu @ Nov. 07 2010,15:44) BD Quote No, You are the LOSER. This woman has proclaimed her great happiness and if you really were for human rights you would congratulate her for finding happiness but instead you only contend your own arbitrary view of what YOU think happiness is therefor you are a LOSER.
Who said anything about happiness?? You are attempting to change the subject AGAIN. We are not talking about her happiness: the mullahs could just keep her sedated day and night and I am sure she could be made to appear happy. We are discussing systematic abuse of her human rights.Quote Where is this oppression of hers? You are an atheist/agnostic and have no set of standards that can be applied as “HUMAN RIGHTS” because to you ALL MORALITY is based upon arbitrary human based agreement. You fail at every turn and how could you be anything else but a LOSER when even the concept of being a winner is still arbitrary, even if this lady leaves Islam you have nothing to offer her because you believe in nothing.
Once again, your logically invalid attempt to discuss a different subject by attacking a strawman of it is desperate. A summary of abuses of human rights mandated in the koran:# Have sex with your women whenever and as often as you like. 2:223
# Women have rights that are similar to men, but men are “a degree above them.” 2:228
# A woman is worth one-half a man. 2:282
# Lewd women are to be confined to their houses until death. 4:15
# Instructions for exchanging wives 4:20
# “All married women (are forbidden unto you) save those (captives) whom your right hands possess.”
You can't have sex with married women, unless they are slaves obtained in war (with whom you may rape or do whatever you like). 4:24# Men are in charge of women, because Allah made men to be better than women. Refuse to have sex with women from whom you fear rebellion, and scourge them. 4:34
# “Unto the male is the equivalent share of two females.” 4:176
# You don't have to be modest around your wives or your slave girls “that your right hand possess.” 23:6
# Believing women must lower their gaze and be modest, cover themselves with veils, and not reveal themselves except to their husbands, relatives, children, and slaves. 24:31
# When Allah or Muhammad decide that a man and a woman should marry, they must marry. 33:36
# Allah says it is lawful for Muhammad to marry any women he wants. 33:50-51
# Women must cover themselves when in public. 33:59
# Those who “did wrong” will go to hell, and their wives will go to hell with them (no matter how they behaved). 37:22-23
(!# Allah's rules for divorcing wives that have not yet reached puberty. 65:4)
# Muhammad's wives need to be careful. If they criticize their husband, Allah will replace them with better ones. 66:5
Quote You believe that people are born and then they die and there is no inherent purpose for life during the life therefore how is it you can criticize anyone living when you say that there entire life is happenstance anyway? If you go down this road with me honestly you either will concede the point or give up Atheism
Wrong, and irrelevant. Please tell me how any woman’s human rights could possibly be unheld in any country applying koranic principles.I predict we will only get yet another attempt on your part to change the subject, as many people in many different parts of the world have correctly predicted of you in the past.
Stuart
No matter how you slice it if someone willfully finds Islam or any religion and says it fulfills their life you are a LOSER to say different even if they are “sedated ” like you say, you would still be incapable of judging someones happiness but I am aware that unhappy people tend to wish others could be unhappy are you unhappy?2:223 follows 222 did you read any of it or are you just grabbing stuff off of anti-Islam sites without reading the context? No need to answer we already know you can't be bothered to learn what you are talking about anyway 222 is saying that a man should refrain from having sex with his wife during her menstrual cycle because of cramps and the filth of it but ant other time it is fine. Of course being an atheist you may enjoy any filthy thing because you have no standards.
No need to go through the entire collection because I have already shown you have no desire to look into the context of any of them or face the truth no matter what they say. Do you really believe Men and Women are the same? I thought you believed and trusted in science they are not the same at all.
You still haven't explained what rights should people have or if there should be any restrictions at all.
I think I am going to cause you to run away from this because how can you with arbitrary morals defend or accuse moral principles?
Boditharta.Can you please respond to those kor,an verses posted by STU,can you clarify them to all of us?
Wakeup.
To be completely honest there is no need because all these things are in your bibleHusbands be submissive to your husband and your body is theirs and vice versa
A woman should not speak in church
The man is the hea of the woman
Women should be modest in dress
All this is in the Bible and there is nothing wrong with any of it unless you find fault with God.
Each argument against Islam is argument against your own faith for they are the same but you don't believe.
Bodhitharta.You are a very intelligent man; can you see love in those qur'an verses?
Did not jesus say; one man one wife?
Did not jesus say; love your neighbour?
Where is the word love ever mentioned in the qur'an?
Does the qur'an teach to give your other cheek?The old jewish law is very strick,for a purpose; to keep his disobedient children from getting all mixed up with the gentiles. But since christ came,that same law is wrtitten in our hearts, this meaning; that we dont disobey God;
because we love God. We dont have to be circumcised in the flesh any more,but circumcised in the heart.We dont have to scrifice bulls anymore, but scrifice by doing Gods will.
That is; no stealing,no warring no adultery etc.If Jehovah God is = to allah; Why then is Jehovahs city JERUSALEM; and allah”s city MECCA?
God said in the prophets,that he will bring back israel,and not the gentiles; I will have mercy on you for my name sake:allah said the opposite; he said; KILL EVERY JEW.
where ever they are hiding find them and kill them.Is allah schizophrenic?Why would jehovah God require all his followers to face mecca to pray; when his temple is, and always will be in jerusalem his holy city to come,(for today it is corrupted).
Muslems do not except Christ sacrifice; so what are the muslems doing for sacrifice? are they still slautering bulls?
can animal sacrifices save our souls? For God said in the old testament, ''all your good works are like dirty raggs to me”.If Jesus is just a prophet; then why did he say ''the prophet is untill John,what about Jesus? For he is a prophet to you.
You dont agree with the new testment, but why are you quoting them so often? why dont you quote the qur'an instead? For the qur'an to you is the last testament of allah.As a muslem, I think you should quote the qur'an more often.
If Jehovah God is allah,WHY is allah contradicting Jehovahs words? Has God change his doctrine since year 630ad?
has he change his city also,has he moved to mecca?
Gods temple has always been in jerusalem, and will always be in jerusalem.You must quote the kor,an more than the scriptures,for you think the scriptures has been corrupted by the jews.
I like to see you defending your believe USING the qur'anGreetings to you muslem friend.
wakeup.
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