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Quote (Stu @ Nov. 18 2010,18:45) It's what the ancients thought and wrote down. You sure believe a lot of primitive stuff t8, except what you have twisted to fit your modern scientific understanding.
When the ancients believed the world sat on a tortoise shell, scripture said the Earth floated on nothing. When the ancients said the world was flat, scripture talked about the circumference.
The ancients are now saying that there is no God and that everything evolved with no intelligent input whatsoever at any stage.You ancients are very funny at least.
Quote (t8 @ Nov. 19 2010,12:37) Quote (Stu @ Nov. 18 2010,18:45) It's what the ancients thought and wrote down. You sure believe a lot of primitive stuff t8, except what you have twisted to fit your modern scientific understanding.
When the ancients believed the world sat on a tortoise shell, scripture said the Earth floated on nothing. When the ancients said the world was flat, scripture talked about the circumference.
The ancients are now saying that there is no God and that everything evolved with no intelligent input whatsoever at any stage.You ancients are very funny at least.
Humans have certainly got a lot wrong in the past, and much of what we think we know is probably wrong today. Big Bang cosmology has a pretty good track record relatively speaking, and Darwin has been right for 150 years.Contrast all that with the 2000 year old mythology preserved in the aspic of the Judeo-christian book of magic, and defended by some who feel they have to lie about facts in order to maintain that old dead worldview.
Stuart
Quote (Stu @ Nov. 19 2010,16:04) Quote (t8 @ Nov. 19 2010,12:37) Quote (Stu @ Nov. 18 2010,18:45) It's what the ancients thought and wrote down. You sure believe a lot of primitive stuff t8, except what you have twisted to fit your modern scientific understanding.
When the ancients believed the world sat on a tortoise shell, scripture said the Earth floated on nothing. When the ancients said the world was flat, scripture talked about the circumference.
The ancients are now saying that there is no God and that everything evolved with no intelligent input whatsoever at any stage.You ancients are very funny at least.
Humans have certainly got a lot wrong in the past, and much of what we think we know is probably wrong today. Big Bang cosmology has a pretty good track record relatively speaking, and Darwin has been right for 150 years.Contrast all that with the 2000 year old mythology preserved in the aspic of the Judeo-christian book of magic, and defended by some who feel they have to lie about facts in order to maintain that old dead worldview.
Stuart
Hi Stuart,BD should certainly stop lying about it, your right about that!
God bless
Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Stu @ Nov. 19 2010,16:04) Humans have certainly got a lot wrong in the past, and much of what we think we know is probably wrong today. Big Bang cosmology has a pretty good track record relatively speaking, and Darwin has been right for 150 years.
According to your faith. And it wouldn't be the first time that scientists have been wrong. But you put a lot of faith in some of these prophets.Scripture has been right for 2000+ years.
The only thing that can be refuted in scripture and prophecy is your understanding of it.BTW Stu, your forefathers (unbelievers or scripturally uneducated) were the ones that believed the world was suspended on a tortoise shell. They obviously rejected scripture because scripture contradicted such popular myths.
Scripture also talks about hygiene, washing, and cleaning thousands of years before the ancients discovered the benefits of these. By ignoring such you endured the plague and other preventable diseases and viruses. You ancients are a funny bunch. If you had listened in the beginning, then you would know that what you sow is what you reap.
But sure, continue to ignore scripture in the 21st century to your own peril. That is your choice. My choice is different.
Here's another funny ancient belief:
The coloring of an animal's offspring is determined by what they are looking at when they conceive! (Genesis 30:31-43)
Those ancients were freakin' hilarious!
Here's another laugh riot:
Stars were just little points of light a short distance above the earth that could move and hover over someone's house! (Matthew 2:9)
Quote (WhatIsTrue @ Nov. 20 2010,01:36) Here's another funny ancient belief: The coloring of an animal's offspring is determined by what they are looking at when they conceive! (Genesis 30:31-43)
Those ancients were freakin' hilarious!
You misunderstood the story expresses how the rods were acting as an aphrodisiac or stimulant to them it made those animals facing it more passionate and therefore they produced more offspring.The goats mated there 39in front of the branches, and their young were spotted and speckled. 40Some of the sheep that Jacob was keeping for Laban were already spotted. And when the others were ready to mate, he made sure that they faced in the direction of the spotted and black ones. In this way, Jacob built up a flock of sheep for himself and did not put them with the other sheep.
In otherwords by placing the speckled and spotted branches it gave the illusion of more sheep of that kind so the small amount of sheep that he owned already which were spotted and speckled then mated with those that were not spotted and speckled causing them to make mixed offspring and then he took the strongest of those animals and repeated the process leaving the weaker ones to remain unspotted
Quote (WhatIsTrue @ Nov. 20 2010,02:41) Here's another laugh riot: Stars were just little points of light a short distance above the earth that could move and hover over someone's house! (Matthew 2:9)
Matthew 2:9 (Contemporary English Version) 9The wise men listened to what the king said and then left. And the star they had seen in the east went on ahead of them until it stopped over the place where the child was.This is not silly at all because the story is talking about perspective and relativity.
I'm sure you have asked some lucky girl to watch the “sunset” with you or the “Sunrise” when you know it does neither.
There really is no such thing as phases of the moon the moon doesn't change at all but we identify it in terms of phases and actually nobody is still because the earth is rotating
So being that the earth is moving and the entire universe is moving one can see a star as having relatively stopped someplace
It's like “what's your sign”
“You misunderstood the story expresses how the rods were acting as an aphrodisiac …“
Um, sorry bodhitharta, but I don't buy it. Do you have any evidence that rods are aphrodisiacs for grazing animals? That sounds like even worse nonsense than what the text actually says.
“… it gave the illusion of more sheep of that kind …“
Are you serious? Rods in the water looked like more sheep to the mating animals on the shore? What?!?!
“So being that the earth is moving and the entire universe is moving one can see a star as having relatively stopped someplace“
Not stopped someplace – stopped over someone's house! There is no perspective from which I can make a star appear to stop over my house without it simultaneously appearing to “stop over” about a few million other houses as well.
Quote (WhatIsTrue @ Nov. 20 2010,06:13)
“You misunderstood the story expresses how the rods were acting as an aphrodisiac …“Quote Um, sorry bodhitharta, but I don't buy it. Do you have any evidence that rods are aphrodisiacs for grazing animals? That sounds like even worse nonsense than what the text actually says. sea holly
Meaning #1: European evergreen eryngo with twisted spiny leaves naturalized on United States east coast; roots formerly used as an aphrodisiac
http://www.answers.com/topic/sea-holly
Genesis 30:37 (Contemporary English Version) 37Jacob cut branches from some poplar trees and from some almond and evergreen trees. He peeled off part of the bark and made the branches look spotted and speckled.
You should concede that point and now next I will report on the visual effect
Quote (WhatIsTrue @ Nov. 20 2010,06:13) Quote Not stopped someplace – stopped over someone's house! There is no perspective from which I can make a star appear to stop over my house without it simultaneously appearing to “stop over” about a few million other houses as well. That's not really true because of the degrees of perspective. If someone sees a fullmoon for instance do you not agree that some may look straight up and see the full moon and some may be looking at it and see it on an angle?
Quote (bodhitharta @ Nov. 20 2010,04:28) Quote (WhatIsTrue @ Nov. 20 2010,06:13)
“You misunderstood the story expresses how the rods were acting as an aphrodisiac …“Quote Um, sorry bodhitharta, but I don't buy it. Do you have any evidence that rods are aphrodisiacs for grazing animals? That sounds like even worse nonsense than what the text actually says. sea holly
Meaning #1: European evergreen eryngo with twisted spiny leaves naturalized on United States east coast; roots formerly used as an aphrodisiac
http://www.answers.com/topic/sea-holly
Genesis 30:37 (Contemporary English Version) 37Jacob cut branches from some poplar trees and from some almond and evergreen trees. He peeled off part of the bark and made the branches look spotted and speckled.
You should concede that point and now next I will report on the visual effect
Two problems here:1. Sea holly is a plant not a tree, and the passage is clearly talking about rods (i.e. branches) from trees. Otherwise, how did Jacob “[peel] off part of the bark” of the sea holly plant?
For a botany lesson, use a google image search to find green poplar trees, and then compare it to what you find when you search for sea holly. Not the same thing!
2. Even the text that you quote says that sea holly was formerly used as an aphrodisiac. I can't find any source that suggests that it has actually shown to be an effective aphrodisiac, but I have found plenty of sources that say that people used to think so.
You should concede that point and now and move on to the next.
Quote (bodhitharta @ Nov. 20 2010,06:11) Quote (WhatIsTrue @ Nov. 20 2010,06:13) Quote Not stopped someplace – stopped over someone's house! There is no perspective from which I can make a star appear to stop over my house without it simultaneously appearing to “stop over” about a few million other houses as well. That's not really true because of the degrees of perspective. If someone sees a fullmoon for instance do you not agree that some may look straight up and see the full moon and some may be looking at it and see it on an angle?
People in my general latitude and longitude will see the same perspective. Tell me how that can help to differentiate one house in my town from another.Quote (WhatIsTrue @ Nov. 20 2010,14:10) Quote (bodhitharta @ Nov. 20 2010,04:28) Quote (WhatIsTrue @ Nov. 20 2010,06:13)
“You misunderstood the story expresses how the rods were acting as an aphrodisiac …“Quote Um, sorry bodhitharta, but I don't buy it. Do you have any evidence that rods are aphrodisiacs for grazing animals? That sounds like even worse nonsense than what the text actually says. sea holly
Meaning #1: European evergreen eryngo with twisted spiny leaves naturalized on United States east coast; roots formerly used as an aphrodisiac
http://www.answers.com/topic/sea-holly
Genesis 30:37 (Contemporary English Version) 37Jacob cut branches from some poplar trees and from some almond and evergreen trees. He peeled off part of the bark and made the branches look spotted and speckled.
You should concede that point and now next I will report on the visual effect
Two problems here:1. Sea holly is a plant not a tree, and the passage is clearly talking about rods (i.e. branches) from trees. Otherwise, how did Jacob “[peel] off part of the bark” of the sea holly plant?
For a botany lesson, use a google image search to find green poplar trees, and then compare it to what you find when you search for sea holly. Not the same thing!
2. Even the text that you quote says that sea holly was formerly used as an aphrodisiac. I can't find any source that suggests that it has actually shown to be an effective aphrodisiac, but I have found plenty of sources that say that people used to think so.
You should concede that point and now and move on to the next.
I didn't say it was sea holly I just compared the fact that they were both part of the evergreen family. I really don't need a botany lesson as it is you that are guessing it to be correct to mock what you can't possibly know unless you have knowledge in that field which I will bet that you do not.I know for a fact that with crows for instance if you use any method to draw a crow to you or away from you they will teach it to their young. I started this 6 years ago and now the crows can know when I even arive at home, just the sight of my vehicle and they will gather to be fed.
Quote (WhatIsTrue @ Nov. 20 2010,14:12) Quote (bodhitharta @ Nov. 20 2010,06:11) Quote (WhatIsTrue @ Nov. 20 2010,06:13) Quote Not stopped someplace – stopped over someone's house! There is no perspective from which I can make a star appear to stop over my house without it simultaneously appearing to “stop over” about a few million other houses as well. That's not really true because of the degrees of perspective. If someone sees a fullmoon for instance do you not agree that some may look straight up and see the full moon and some may be looking at it and see it on an angle?
People in my general latitude and longitude will see the same perspective. Tell me how that can help to differentiate one house in my town from another.
How does a compass work?If I have a compass 20 miles from you and we are both lost will we follow the same directions or no?
If I am looking for a specific place that is 20 degrees__
bodhitharta wrote:
Quote I didn't say it was sea holly I just compared the fact that they were both part of the evergreen family. In other words, you have no idea what you are talking about, and my original criticism of the Genesis 30 passage still stands.
bodhitharta wrote:
Quote How does a compass work? If I have a compass 20 miles from you and we are both lost will we follow the same directions or no?
So, now we've gone from talking about using stars that are millions of light years away for precise street directions to using the the magnetic field of the earth? Are you conceding the point?
Quote (WhatIsTrue @ Nov. 21 2010,13:41) bodhitharta wrote: Quote I didn't say it was sea holly I just compared the fact that they were both part of the evergreen family. In other words, you have no idea what you are talking about, and my original criticism of the Genesis 30 passage still stands.
bodhitharta wrote:
Quote How does a compass work? If I have a compass 20 miles from you and we are both lost will we follow the same directions or no?
So, now we've gone from talking about using stars that are millions of light years away for precise street directions to using the the magnetic field of the earth? Are you conceding the point?
Can stars be used for the purposes of direction? yes or no?Yes.
Now, your turn to answer a question.
Can a star stop over someone's house? Yes or no?
Before you try to spin this into a case of the wise men using the stars for navigation, let me remind you of what the verse actually says.
From the Contemporary English version:
Matthew 2:9 The wise men listened to what the king said and then left. And the star they had seen in the east went on ahead of them until it stopped over the place where the child was.
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