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Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 21 2010,21:39) Hi Karmarie, Religious leaders use this futuristic threat to get people under their control!
The systems of religion and traditions of men communicate
distortions of truth, confusion of mind, and distractions of spirit.God bless
Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Yeah im learning that. (again). Religeons (and Athiesm) can causedistortions of truth, confusion of mind, and distractions of spirit
Quote (karmarie @ Feb. 21 2010,22:02) Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 21 2010,21:39) Hi Karmarie, Religious leaders use this futuristic threat to get people under their control!
The systems of religion and traditions of men communicate
distortions of truth, confusion of mind, and distractions of spirit.God bless
Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Yeah im learning that. (again). Religeons (and Athiesm) can causedistortions of truth, confusion of mind, and distractions of spirit
Hi Karmarie,Zech.3:2 And the LORD said unto Satan, The LORD rebuke thee, O Satan;
even the LORD that hath chosen Jerusalem rebuke thee: is not this a brand plucked out of the fire?To be plucked out, indicates the place of torment is NOT a permanent place.
Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 27 2010,21:33) Quote (karmarie @ Feb. 21 2010,22:02) Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 21 2010,21:39) Hi Karmarie, Religious leaders use this futuristic threat to get people under their control!
The systems of religion and traditions of men communicate
distortions of truth, confusion of mind, and distractions of spirit.God bless
Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Yeah im learning that. (again). Religeons (and Athiesm) can causedistortions of truth, confusion of mind, and distractions of spirit
Hi Karmarie,Zech.3:2 And the LORD said unto Satan, The LORD rebuke thee, O Satan;
even the LORD that hath chosen Jerusalem rebuke thee: is not this a brand plucked out of the fire?To be plucked out, indicates the place of torment is NOT a permanent place.
Hi EdI used to believe like the rest did about 'eternal torment of hell', thats only because I never gave it much thought.
But when I did, it tormented my mind so much that I nearly fell away completly.
But then I took it to the Father in prayer, and I know now it is just all a lie, a distortion of scripture, and that God is much different than that!
hi all
it seems that many just grab out of God s word what they believe is true ,this in some way we all do ,but to pick up only one or two verses and built your faith on that ,is that the right thing to do??
to me the SCRIPTURES CANNOT BE BROKEN,so if you take out some verse out of the bible and interpret it in a way that there is a scripture that says the opposite you have broken the scripture and your interpretation of that scripture in false.this would mean that you have use it against God will.try it ??.(GOD CANNOT LIE)
Hi Terrarica,
You are saying that though from which point of view (regarding eternal torment)?Regarding Gods love and justice;
Jeremiah 3:12
‘ I am merciful,’ says the LORD; ‘ I will not remain angry forever.(Isiah 57:14)
“ I dwell in the high and holy place,
With him who has a contrite and humble spirit,
To revive the spirit of the humble,
And to revive the heart of the contrite ones.
16 For I will not contend forever,
Nor will I always be angry;
For the spirit would fail before Me,
And the souls which I have made.Heres a question: Do you think God could change His mind as an expression of His love and mercy
Does God change His mind?
Consider this;The world was created and called very good. But then;
The LORD was grieved that he had made man on the earth, and his heart was filled with pain. So the LORD said, “I will wipe mankind, whom I have created, from the face of the earth – men and animals, and creatures that move along the ground, and birds of the air – for I am grieved that I have made them.” (Gen 6)
Noah found favor in the eyes of the LORD. (Genesis 6:8)….and they with all the animals were saved. And life continued on.
The golden calf and Moses;
“Now leave me alone so that my anger may burn against them and that I may destroy them.”
But;
Then the LORD relented and did not bring on his people the disaster he had threatened.(exodus 32)
And one of the best; (Jonah 1)
The word of the LORD came to Jonah son of Amittai: “Go to the great city of Nineveh and preach against it, because its wickedness has come up before me.”
But Jonah ran away from the LORD and headed for Tarshish. He went down to Joppa, where he found a ship bound for that port. After paying the fare, he went aboard and sailed for Tarshish to flee from the LORD.
Then the LORD sent a great wind on the sea, and such a violent storm arose that the ship threatened to break up.Then the word of the LORD came to Jonah a second time: “Go to the great city of Nineveh and proclaim to it the message I give you.”
Jonah obeyed the word of the LORD and went to Nineveh. Now Nineveh was a very important city – a visit required three days. On the first day, Jonah started into the city. He proclaimed: “Forty more days and Nineveh will be overturned.”The Ninevites believed God. They declared a fast, and all of them, from the greatest to the least, put on sackcloth. When the news reached the king of Nineveh, he rose from his throne, took off his royal robes, covered himself with sackcloth and sat down in the dust.
Then he issued a proclamation in Nineveh:
“By the decree of the king and his nobles: Do not let any man or beast, herd or flock, taste anything;
do not let them eat or drink. But let man and beast be covered with sackcloth. Let everyone call urgently on God.
Let them give up their evil ways and their violence. Who knows?
God may yet relent and with compassion turn from his fierce anger so that we will not perish.”
When God saw what they did and how they turned from their evil ways, he had compassion and did not bring upon them the destruction he had threatened.And lastly, the consequence for sin was death
But God so loved the whole world that he gave his only Son that whosoever believes in Him should not die but shall have life eternal!.Quote (karmarie @ Feb. 28 2010,10:19) Hi Terrarica,
You are saying that though from which point of view (regarding eternal torment)?Regarding Gods love and justice;
Jeremiah 3:12
‘ I am merciful,’ says the LORD; ‘ I will not remain angry forever.(Isiah 57:14)
“ I dwell in the high and holy place,
With him who has a contrite and humble spirit,
To revive the spirit of the humble,
And to revive the heart of the contrite ones.
16 For I will not contend forever,
Nor will I always be angry;
For the spirit would fail before Me,
And the souls which I have made.Heres a question: Do you think God could change His mind as an expression of His love and mercy
hi Kif you want the scriptures to answer your question.
you will have to read and research the bible the word of god,Heres a question: Do you think God could change His mind as an expression of His love and mercy
your question should be split like this;
1)is God changing his ways?
2) if so why?and how ?
3)are not all things God does is an expression of his love?
4)if he change his will did he really change it or did he just extended??
5)what is the understanding of God s love??you see now by answering all those questions with the scriptures you would get your answer.and more.
i can answer you but it would be mine;if you look it up it would be yours.
Quote (karmarie @ Mar. 02 2010,09:03) Does God change His mind?
Consider this;The world was created and called very good. But then;
The LORD was grieved that he had made man on the earth, and his heart was filled with pain. So the LORD said, “I will wipe mankind, whom I have created, from the face of the earth – men and animals, and creatures that move along the ground, and birds of the air – for I am grieved that I have made them.” (Gen 6)
Noah found favor in the eyes of the LORD. (Genesis 6:8)….and they with all the animals were saved. And life continued on.
The golden calf and Moses;
“Now leave me alone so that my anger may burn against them and that I may destroy them.”
But;
Then the LORD relented and did not bring on his people the disaster he had threatened.(exodus 32)
And one of the best; (Jonah 1)
The word of the LORD came to Jonah son of Amittai: “Go to the great city of Nineveh and preach against it, because its wickedness has come up before me.”
But Jonah ran away from the LORD and headed for Tarshish. He went down to Joppa, where he found a ship bound for that port. After paying the fare, he went aboard and sailed for Tarshish to flee from the LORD.
Then the LORD sent a great wind on the sea, and such a violent storm arose that the ship threatened to break up.Then the word of the LORD came to Jonah a second time: “Go to the great city of Nineveh and proclaim to it the message I give you.”
Jonah obeyed the word of the LORD and went to Nineveh. Now Nineveh was a very important city – a visit required three days. On the first day, Jonah started into the city. He proclaimed: “Forty more days and Nineveh will be overturned.”The Ninevites believed God. They declared a fast, and all of them, from the greatest to the least, put on sackcloth. When the news reached the king of Nineveh, he rose from his throne, took off his royal robes, covered himself with sackcloth and sat down in the dust.
Then he issued a proclamation in Nineveh:
“By the decree of the king and his nobles: Do not let any man or beast, herd or flock, taste anything;
do not let them eat or drink. But let man and beast be covered with sackcloth. Let everyone call urgently on God.
Let them give up their evil ways and their violence. Who knows?
God may yet relent and with compassion turn from his fierce anger so that we will not perish.”
When God saw what they did and how they turned from their evil ways, he had compassion and did not bring upon them the destruction he had threatened.And lastly, the consequence for sin was death
But God so loved the whole world that he gave his only Son that whosoever believes in Him should not die but shall have life eternal!.
Kcan you see something similar;
Ex 32:10 Now leave me alone so that my anger may burn against them and that I may destroy them. Then I will make you into a great nation.”
Ex 32:11 But Moses sought the favor of the LORD his God. “O LORD,” he said, “why should your anger burn against your people, whom you brought out of Egypt with great power and a mighty hand?
Ex 32:12 Why should the Egyptians say, ‘It was with evil intent that he brought them out, to kill them in the mountains and to wipe them off the face of the earth’? Turn from your fierce anger; relent and do not bring disaster on your people.
Ex 32:13 Remember your servants Abraham, Isaac and Israel, to whom you swore by your own self: ‘I will make your descendants as numerous as the stars in the sky and I will give your descendants all this land I promised them, and it will be their inheritance forever.’ ”
Ex 32:14 Then the LORD relented and did not bring on his people the disaster he had threatenedI trust Him; God will be fair and just!
“Great and marvelous are Your works, O Lord God, the Almighty; Righteous and true are Your ways, King of the nations!”
Beloved, let us love one another: for love is of God; and every one that loveth is born of God, and knoweth God.
He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love.
In this was manifested the love of God toward us, because that God sent his only begotten Son into the world, that we might live through him.
Herein is love, not that we loved God, but that he loved us, and sent his Son to be the propitiation for our sins.
Beloved, if God so loved us, we ought also to love one another.
No man hath seen God at any time. If we love one another, God dwelleth in us, and his love is perfected in us.
Hereby know we that we dwell in him, and he in us, because he hath given us of his Spirit.
And we have seen and do testify that the Father sent the Son to be the Saviour of the world.1Whosoever shall confess that Jesus is the Son of God, God dwelleth in him, and he in God.
And we have known and believed the love that God hath to us. God is love; and he that dwelleth in love dwelleth in God, and God in him.
Herein is our love made perfect, that we may have boldness in the day of judgment: because as he is, so are we in this world.
There is no fear in love; but perfect love casteth out fear: because fear hath torment. He that feareth is not made perfect in love.
We love him, because he first loved us.
If a man say, I love God, and hateth his brother, he is a liar: for he that loveth not his brother whom he hath seen, how can he love God whom he hath not seen?
And this commandment have we from him, That he who loveth God love his brother also.(1 John;4)One thing I always say is= does this love end with death? If you saw your Brother in 'eternal torment' with no hope of EVER escaping,
Would you not- out of Love for Him Get him out of there!
This is Love. Love doesnt end. It is eternal. Theres alot more to this than people think. Especially the = eternal hell believers= whos “love has grown 'quite' cold”Quote (karmarie @ Feb. 28 2010,10:19) Hi Terrarica,
You are saying that though from which point of view (regarding eternal torment)?Regarding Gods love and justice;
Jeremiah 3:12
‘ I am merciful,’ says the LORD; ‘ I will not remain angry forever.(Isiah 57:14)
“ I dwell in the high and holy place,
With him who has a contrite and humble spirit,
To revive the spirit of the humble,
And to revive the heart of the contrite ones.
16 For I will not contend forever,
Nor will I always be angry;
For the spirit would fail before Me,
And the souls which I have made.Heres a question: Do you think God could change His mind as an expression of His love and mercy
Kthe rule i use is applied at all time in all circumstances,
God can not lie,to me it is the only way to void misinterpretation ,
but you have to fight of your own inclination .Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 03 2010,03:21)
the rule i use is applied at all time in all circumstances,
God can not lie,to me it is the only way to void misinterpretation ,
but you have to fight of your own inclination .
No, but translators can make errors.
The word 'eternal punishment'Eternal comes from the original word of Aion which actually means= Age or perscribed time
From wikipedia
“…The Bible translation is a treatment of the Hebrew word olam and the Greek word aion. These two words have similar meaning, and Young's Literal Translation renders them and their derivatives as “age” or “age-during”. Other English versions most often translate them to indicate eternity, being translated as eternal, everlasting, forever, etc. However, there are notable exceptions to this in all major translations, such as Matthew 28:20: “…I am with you always, to the end of the age” (NRSV), the word “age” being a translation of aion. Rendering aion to indicate eternality in this verse would result in the contradictory phrase “end of eternity”, so the question arises whether it should ever be so…”
And theres more about- this is you search
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If you put the words of Jesus together with the book of Revelations, it would seem there is;
1-punishment then
2-judgment then
3-life or death—————————-
Then theres how we ourselves see and interpret words and what we are taught, but closely examining these words;
where there will be weeping and knashing of teethTo me- Weeping is just that=weeping (think about it)
knashing of teeth =would mean torment/ frustration/anger/regret. Would it not?—————————-
You say
Quote the rule i use is applied at all time in all circumstances,
God can not lie,Exactly! so when God said he would not remain angry forever, – I believe that!
Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 03 2010,03:22) K can you explain what Gods love is?? and how he applies it ? and why??
I believe Gods love would be felt different depending on the individualIt also happens in stages, so it depends what stage the person is at and how far they will go.
For me, theres things I cant even put into words.
I could go deeper but im at the stage where I cant really explain.God is like a perfect Parent.
He applies His love through discipline, teaching, and love.. I think that basically sums it up, I could go much further though.
K
the love of God is seen in his creation,and in Christ;
in is creation, because everything he as done is for others to enjoy ,is laws are made for the happiness of all who obey them,he made men not a slave but a free man ,in Christ because trough him God reconciled his creation to him,the true spirit of Christ is that you do not live for yourself but for the others,this is the love of God what Christ has preached and the apostles aswell
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