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I think it's kids strange that they could tell us exactly where Jesus was all the way threw his death, the Roman Catholics regard themselves as the gate keepers! A spirit cannot ascend until they permit
My uncle passed away just recently! An the priest atually said when his spirit could ascend. 20 priest were on the alter, funeral fit for royally. In which I felt my uncle was well deserving of, a very kind man, an a strong arm, his shoes could not be filled, the lose is very great, an very much a mystery that they seem to know more about where his spirit is than they should perhaps!
Quote (t8 @ April 01 2013,18:17) Quote (t8 @ Feb. 27 2013,21:07) For Stu. Which one of these statements is true?
Before the Big Bang, there was:
A) nothing
B) something
C) someone (Consciousness)
David, this is the original post.And Stu basically chose nothing, but argued that he did.
Then he wanted me to define nothing, which is the definition you are quoting. However, if he is trying to have something included in the nothing option, then he should change it to something at which point I will ask him what that something was that is the oldest thing.Anyway, as we all knew, he avoids questions at this level, yet is able to mock the idea that there is a God, but provides no real alternative.
So far he proves that he is biased that is all. He doesn't have a clue and his rants about God are meaningless.
Further, I have asked Stu to recruit an Atheist 10 times more intelligent than him to take over from where he has failed. But he either doesn't know one, or they are scared to tackle such an easy question, or there is no Atheist 10 times more intelligent.
I'm uncertain why stu doesn't just say “B”. I guess because he can't be certain, but if I were him, I'd say “b” just to see how it plays out.“B”
Why not state that the universe always was, just in a different form, in a state of change.
Things don't seem like they pop into existence. So, why not claim something already was, always was.
If God can exist forever, why can't the universe?
Ok t8…. Go.
The universe is 80 million years older than believed. There is also more dark matter and more dark energy.
Normal matter is now believed to be 4.9% of universe.
What is the dark matter? My guess? Demons.
Quote (david @ April 02 2013,15:30) Quote (t8 @ April 01 2013,18:17) Quote (t8 @ Feb. 27 2013,21:07) For Stu. Which one of these statements is true?
Before the Big Bang, there was:
A) nothing
B) something
C) someone (Consciousness)
David, this is the original post.And Stu basically chose nothing, but argued that he did.
Then he wanted me to define nothing, which is the definition you are quoting. However, if he is trying to have something included in the nothing option, then he should change it to something at which point I will ask him what that something was that is the oldest thing.Anyway, as we all knew, he avoids questions at this level, yet is able to mock the idea that there is a God, but provides no real alternative.
So far he proves that he is biased that is all. He doesn't have a clue and his rants about God are meaningless.
Further, I have asked Stu to recruit an Atheist 10 times more intelligent than him to take over from where he has failed. But he either doesn't know one, or they are scared to tackle such an easy question, or there is no Atheist 10 times more intelligent.
I'm uncertain why stu doesn't just say “B”. I guess because he can't be certain, but if I were him, I'd say “b” just to see how it plays out.“B”
Why not state that the universe always was, just in a different form, in a state of change.
Things don't seem like they pop into existence. So, why not claim something already was, always was.
If God can exist forever, why can't the universe?
Ok t8…. Go.
why cant god start work with Nothing, An when was God created? I think the answer t8 wants to hear, would allow at least god existance, an stu perhaps God existance came after made in Mans Likeness.It's real simple.
Someone
Something
Nothingcovers all bases.
Stu knows this but is avoiding answering because he knows he will be exposed for the clueless mocker that he is.
I respect people who defend what they believe. He prefers to ridicule others, but is not willing to put his own butt on the line.
What is good for the goose…
Charity, what I want to hear is what you and Stu actually believe and why. And with the same vigor I get a hard time for believing in God, I would like to return the favour with your beliefs.
The point being that I want to demonstrate that 1) alternatives to God are beliefs also, and 2) that God is the most logical choice even if you have no experience or personal proof of God.
Stu is scared to discuss this further. I believe that he knows he has lost already, and thus is avoiding discussing this at all costs.
But you have helped me out quite a bit because you made this a Hot Seat discussion while he was avoiding debating with me with all manner of excuses.
Quote (david @ April 02 2013,18:30) Why not state that the universe always was, just in a different form, in a state of change. Things don't seem like they pop into existence. So, why not claim something already was, always was.
He would then be admitting that his view is a belief, and he would be at odds with his prophets of Science who say that the universe had a beginning.No he will avoid this discussion at all costs.
Quote (t8 @ April 02 2013,23:31) Charity, what I want to hear is what you and Stu actually believe and why. And with the same vigor I get a hard time for believing in God, I would like to return the favour with your beliefs. The point being that I want to demonstrate that 1) alternatives to God are beliefs also, and 2) that God is the most logical choice even if you have no experience or personal proof of God.
Stu is scared to discuss this further. I believe that he knows he has lost already, and thus is avoiding discussing this at all costs.
But you have helped me out quite a bit because you made this a Hot Seat discussion while he was avoiding debating with me with all manner of excuses.
t8, you gave Stu a tile for not Having the same Faith as you, while christians Can't get Past John 1;1 without dividing into army's.yes he is on your turff, an its the old National code, when in rome do as the romans do.
The subject is Like tryong to Take your Pants off over your head.
I think stu is very flexable, an the reason I made this thread is because people like stu an I can't be involed in the Land of believers that lock away from us. above.
Religion has played all the cards from the beginning, an science is to catch up. religion dosn't like it when science seems to be producing an objective opinion to that which they have made a Law.
eg. under THAT SAME CODE OF LAW, thinking is not free, an even the murder an lifting of the Body of Jesus can't be trialed an Judged an questioned with out imbarrasing Faith. Jesus was even made to rise according to rituals an ceromony's, which un fortunatly seal this code Of law as devine. even his spirit is made to obey under the code, no body saw, an You shall never Know if the body was taken to prove the Laws an rituals as power from God.
Almost every church has been caused to believe all that has been given about his death an rising from the Roman Catholic Church is truth. An they split with them on silly little perceptions delived from what could very well have been Just another catholic fabrication to Take the world in a storm Like it Has today.
No reson why People Cant believe Jesus was mean't to rule on both Earthly an a heavenly throne. But ofcorse That would mean the Murder of Jesus would have to be Judged.
Stu is not the Demon t8.
Quote (t8 @ April 02 2013,23:27) It's real simple. Someone
Something
Nothingcovers all bases.
Stu knows this but is avoiding answering because he knows he will be exposed for the clueless mocker that he is.
I respect people who defend what they believe. He prefers to ridicule others, but is not willing to put his own butt on the line.
What is good for the goose…
Im Happy to be to let you into my tresure chest of thoughts t8.Its a chalenge on its own for me, putting these thoughts into words that reveal my freedom. words do reveal where a heart has been programed, not been free to believe in themselves.
believeing in yourself will make one oringinal an judgable.Quote (Mary @ April 03 2013,13:40) t8, you gave Stu a tile for not Having the same Faith as you, while christians Can't get Past John 1;1 without dividing into army's.
Wrong. The rules are that people who avoid questions on the Hot Seat are tiled for each question they avoid. This is done to weed out those who have no interest in the truth.I think Stu has another 3 questions he can avoid, before posting rights are removed.
Of course if that was a penalty worse than death, then he could always answer one of the questions and he would live on.
Pretty tough huh!
Quote (t8 @ April 05 2013,19:11) Quote (Mary @ April 03 2013,13:40) t8, you gave Stu a tile for not Having the same Faith as you, while christians Can't get Past John 1;1 without dividing into army's.
Wrong. The rules are that people who avoid questions on the Hot Seat are tiled for each question they avoid. This is done to weed out those who have no interest in the truth.I think Stu has another 3 questions he can avoid, before posting rights are removed.
Of course if that was a penalty worse than death, then he could always answer one of the questions and he would live on.
Pretty tough huh!
You took to long to answer me T8Neither stu or I called you scared.
Quote (t8 @ April 05 2013,19:11) Quote (Mary @ April 03 2013,13:40) t8, you gave Stu a tile for not Having the same Faith as you, while christians Can't get Past John 1;1 without dividing into army's.
Wrong. The rules are that people who avoid questions on the Hot Seat are tiled for each question they avoid. This is done to weed out those who have no interest in the truth.I think Stu has another 3 questions he can avoid, before posting rights are removed.
Of course if that was a penalty worse than death, then he could always answer one of the questions and he would live on.
Pretty tough huh!
That's funny, you never answered my question back to you when you had me on the hot seat.Colter
Quote (Colter @ April 05 2013,21:23) Quote (t8 @ April 05 2013,19:11) Quote (Mary @ April 03 2013,13:40) t8, you gave Stu a tile for not Having the same Faith as you, while christians Can't get Past John 1;1 without dividing into army's.
Wrong. The rules are that people who avoid questions on the Hot Seat are tiled for each question they avoid. This is done to weed out those who have no interest in the truth.I think Stu has another 3 questions he can avoid, before posting rights are removed.
Of course if that was a penalty worse than death, then he could always answer one of the questions and he would live on.
Pretty tough huh!
That's funny, you never answered my question back to you when you had me on the hot seat.Colter
ohh, pick me Ill answer it…:)Quote (Mary @ April 05 2013,22:07) Quote (Colter @ April 05 2013,21:23) Quote (t8 @ April 05 2013,19:11) Quote (Mary @ April 03 2013,13:40) t8, you gave Stu a tile for not Having the same Faith as you, while christians Can't get Past John 1;1 without dividing into army's.
Wrong. The rules are that people who avoid questions on the Hot Seat are tiled for each question they avoid. This is done to weed out those who have no interest in the truth.I think Stu has another 3 questions he can avoid, before posting rights are removed.
Of course if that was a penalty worse than death, then he could always answer one of the questions and he would live on.
Pretty tough huh!
That's funny, you never answered my question back to you when you had me on the hot seat.Colter
ohh, pick me Ill answer it…:)
Ok Mary,I think I axed you this once before (somewhere near Crabby Creek) If you can clearly see the corruption and human imperfection of the first councils, Popes, Cardinals, Bishop's, priest's, Vatican-ism etc, then why do you view the narratives (that the Jews wrote about themselves) to be any more divinely inspired, unassailable, documents of perfection, historically accurate?
It's like two very different worlds, a miraculous age, and the dark ages.
Colter
Quote (Colter @ April 06 2013,02:29) Quote (Mary @ April 05 2013,22:07) Quote (Colter @ April 05 2013,21:23) Quote (t8 @ April 05 2013,19:11) Quote (Mary @ April 03 2013,13:40) t8, you gave Stu a tile for not Having the same Faith as you, while christians Can't get Past John 1;1 without dividing into army's.
Wrong. The rules are that people who avoid questions on the Hot Seat are tiled for each question they avoid. This is done to weed out those who have no interest in the truth.I think Stu has another 3 questions he can avoid, before posting rights are removed.
Of course if that was a penalty worse than death, then he could always answer one of the questions and he would live on.
Pretty tough huh!
That's funny, you never answered my question back to you when you had me on the hot seat.Colter
ohh, pick me Ill answer it…:)
Ok Mary,I think I axed you this once before (somewhere near Crabby Creek) If you can clearly see the corruption and human imperfection of the first councils, Popes, Cardinals, Bishop's, priest's, Vatican-ism etc, then why do you view the narratives (that the Jews wrote about themselves) to be any more divinely inspired, unassailable, documents of perfection, historically accurate?
It's like two very different worlds, a miraculous age, and the dark ages.
Colter
Hi Colter, yes the road wasn't where the gps said it was, their once, an they covered over..an call it crabby creek! lolso, yes Their are two Jewish beliefs, two roads, In which the Romans decided to allow one to rule along side of It, the one That worked for them, The One That, even its God was Happy to turn its Nation over to another Nation to rule, It all works when you Have the Gods althority, an he even thinks the Nation needs a punishment himself. Moses Laws where quite the bussness for Rome, Temple sacrifice an offerings were a blessing from Moses an a curse for King Davids decendants, whom were forced to come to the temple an buy the offering, an have it killed an offered by the priests. the money taxed an devided, sent back to Rome, an Judea vatican city, Rome an Rome u c.
The covered up road is King David's statues, where, sacrifice an offering Had been bought under control, you were free to do, or not do so. if your Faith was that weck, do the rutiuals, an those that had faith enough to believe God forgave without Killing an blood WERE safe by Law”” Davids Law, salvation had come, from the relentless house of Moses. but only lasted a while, an was reversed back into the Dark ages. Jesus was simply trying to rise up His Fathers Kingdom again, which was freedom for all to do as they pleased by Law. salvation again.
Quote (t8 @ April 05 2013,19:11) Quote (Mary @ April 03 2013,13:40) t8, you gave Stu a tile for not Having the same Faith as you, while christians Can't get Past John 1;1 without dividing into army's.
Wrong. The rules are that people who avoid questions on the Hot Seat are tiled for each question they avoid. This is done to weed out those who have no interest in the truth.I think Stu has another 3 questions he can avoid, before posting rights are removed.
Of course if that was a penalty worse than death, then he could always answer one of the questions and he would live on.
Pretty tough huh!
you did not put a time Limit on reply answers did you?I think you should remove that Tile an start again.
Quote (Stu @ Mar. 25 2013,21:24) Quote (t8 @ Mar. 25 2013,21:02) Stu, please explain the mechanism or way that Universe arose or started from nothing.
I look forward to all the proof and examples to follow.This is a must answer question. To satisfy the question, you can say you have no proof or give the proof.
I'm not going to attempt questions that can't be answered. I think your fascist rules should include a tile for the poser of the question for any question that is unanswerable in the terms presented.However, tell me what you mean by nothing. Then we can discuss whether that is the likely origin of the universe or not. Don't forget that I have been very clear that there is no evidence (yet) that takes us any earlier than 0.0000000000001 seconds after the start of spacetime. If you want to go back further than that then you have do draw graphs that extrapolate back to that initial condition. Recent and future work of the LHC may push that limit back closer to t=0.
In regards to the word proof, there is no such thing as proof in this discussion. This is not a self-referential system like maths or philosophical proofs. There is evidence and provisional conclusion.
So. Nothing? What do you mean by that?
Stuart
Stu, your right, it can only be estamated
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