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Quote (Stu @ Mar. 26 2013,20:34) Of course you could save it by addressing my other questions in a meaningful way: Are you including zero-point energy in your “nothing”? If not, why not? Is the absence of matter and energy all you mean? Are you asking for a theory of dark matter and dark energy as well? That is definitely a “don't know”, but then if you are after an explanation that includes those phenomena you had at least better be prepared to say you don't know either. What is the model of spacetime you are using when you say something and nothing? Quantum field theory? How does your concept of nothing deal with the spontaneous appearance of matter due to the expansion of spacetime?
Stuart
Ha ha.
Non-existence. The absense of everything. The absense of anything.If you start with something, then we have to change your religion to Something Eternal.
So explain existence from non-existence.
If that is a fail, then explain what was first and we will go from there.
Good luck.
Quote (t8 @ Mar. 26 2013,21:01) Quote (Stu @ Mar. 26 2013,20:34) Of course you could save it by addressing my other questions in a meaningful way: Are you including zero-point energy in your “nothing”? If not, why not? Is the absence of matter and energy all you mean? Are you asking for a theory of dark matter and dark energy as well? That is definitely a “don't know”, but then if you are after an explanation that includes those phenomena you had at least better be prepared to say you don't know either. What is the model of spacetime you are using when you say something and nothing? Quantum field theory? How does your concept of nothing deal with the spontaneous appearance of matter due to the expansion of spacetime?
Stuart
Ha ha.
Non-existence. The absense of everything. The absense of anything.If you start with something, then we have to change your religion to Something Eternal.
So explain existence from non-existence.
If that is a fail, then explain what was first and we will go from there.
Good luck.
t8,
You do have some things in common with the UB:115:1.4 “The realms of the finite exist by virtue of the eternal purpose of God. Finite creatures, high and low, may propound theories, and have done so, as to the necessity of the finite in the cosmic economy, but in the last analysis it exists because God so willed. The universe cannot be explained, neither can a finite creature offer a rational reason for his own individual existence without appealing to the prior acts and pre-existent volition of ancestral beings, Creators or procreators.”
Colter
The power belongs to the people, judge the murder of Jesus, use the power to he has left you to crush unrighteousness law!
Quote (t8 @ Mar. 26 2013,21:01) Quote (Stu @ Mar. 26 2013,20:34) Of course you could save it by addressing my other questions in a meaningful way: Are you including zero-point energy in your “nothing”? If not, why not? Is the absence of matter and energy all you mean? Are you asking for a theory of dark matter and dark energy as well? That is definitely a “don't know”, but then if you are after an explanation that includes those phenomena you had at least better be prepared to say you don't know either. What is the model of spacetime you are using when you say something and nothing? Quantum field theory? How does your concept of nothing deal with the spontaneous appearance of matter due to the expansion of spacetime?
Stuart
Ha ha.
Non-existence. The absense of everything. The absense of anything.If you start with something, then we have to change your religion to Something Eternal.
So explain existence from non-existence.
If that is a fail, then explain what was first and we will go from there.
Good luck.
Huh? Are you drunk, or do you just write that way naturally?Stuart
Quote (Colter @ Mar. 26 2013,23:28) t8,
You do have some things in common with the UB:115:1.4 “The realms of the finite exist by virtue of the eternal purpose of God. Finite creatures, high and low, may propound theories, and have done so, as to the necessity of the finite in the cosmic economy, but in the last analysis it exists because God so willed. The universe cannot be explained, neither can a finite creature offer a rational reason for his own individual existence without appealing to the prior acts and pre-existent volition of ancestral beings, Creators or procreators.”
Colter
Yawn.Stuart
Quote (Stu @ Mar. 27 2013,18:47) Huh? Are you drunk, or do you just write that way naturally? Stuart
Not drunk. You are stalling.Quote (Stu @ Mar. 26 2013,17:34) Of course you could save it by addressing my other questions in a meaningful way: Are you including zero-point energy in your “nothing”? If not, why not? Is the absence of matter and energy all you mean? Are you asking for a theory of dark matter and dark energy as well? That is definitely a “don't know”, but then if you are after an explanation that includes those phenomena you had at least better be prepared to say you don't know either. What is the model of spacetime you are using when you say something and nothing? Quantum field theory? How does your concept of nothing deal with the spontaneous appearance of matter due to the expansion of spacetime?
Stuart
Hi Stuart,Are you saying that the Creation of matter is the result of the expansion of space?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (t8 @ Mar. 27 2013,19:47) Mixing the grout now Stu.
Is that for your tile for not answering my questions?Stuart
Quote (t8 @ Mar. 26 2013,00:40) Quote (Stu @ Mar. 26 2013,00:37) You still haven't said what you mean by nothing.
No thing.
Non-existence.
The absence of something.Think of it as how existence came from non-existence.
Try typing 'nothing' into Google. It is a search engine. When you type in one word like 'nothing' if usually offers the definition of that word on the first page or at least links to a dictionary giving the meaning of the word.
I know you are capable Stu. Apes can do anything.
Stu, when you have answered this question, the tile will be removed.If you have an outstanding question for me, please say it now and I will answer it.
Thanks.
Quote (t8 @ Mar. 30 2013,23:09) Quote (t8 @ Mar. 26 2013,00:40) Quote (Stu @ Mar. 26 2013,00:37) You still haven't said what you mean by nothing.
No thing.
Non-existence.
The absence of something.Think of it as how existence came from non-existence.
Try typing 'nothing' into Google. It is a search engine. When you type in one word like 'nothing' if usually offers the definition of that word on the first page or at least links to a dictionary giving the meaning of the word.
I know you are capable Stu. Apes can do anything.
Stu, when you have answered this question, the tile will be removed.If you have an outstanding question for me, please say it now and I will answer it.
Thanks.
ALL.Lets pause for a moment and concentrate on that word *NOTHING*.
There was never a time when there was nothing.
God and his word was there from EVERLASTING,and everything is framed by the WORD OF GOD.In the *BEGINNING* was the word,AND THE WORD WAS WITH GOD,AND THE WORD WAS GOD?
Why; *in the beginning*,when God and his word was from everlasting?
All that was created had a beginning;and that was the time when the word was first used by God,to create his first creation.
What about;and the word *WAS* GOD?
When God decided to create;he BROUGHT FORTH his word,out of his mouth,and gave him a form(shape) as he pleased.And they;both had glory together.GOD AND HIS WORD.
and we are created in his image.(the words image).
What ever God decides to create;his word does the job,and it was good.I say that on earth,the word nothing,means nothing,as we understand it in our speech.
But truly;there was never nothing.wakeup.
early scientist sat an observed the sun an moon, 7 days in a week 4 weeks in month, all the hard work apears, used in the book of genisis to smartly have God working six days creating earth, an resting on the seventh for the sabath.
every head was a steping stone for government..the wealthy. Its no more than the gods of this earth knowing it all.
Quote (t8 @ Mar. 30 2013,23:09) Quote (t8 @ Mar. 26 2013,00:40) Quote (Stu @ Mar. 26 2013,00:37) You still haven't said what you mean by nothing.
No thing.
Non-existence.
The absence of something.Think of it as how existence came from non-existence.
Try typing 'nothing' into Google. It is a search engine. When you type in one word like 'nothing' if usually offers the definition of that word on the first page or at least links to a dictionary giving the meaning of the word.
I know you are capable Stu. Apes can do anything.
Stu, when you have answered this question, the tile will be removed.If you have an outstanding question for me, please say it now and I will answer it.
Thanks.
t8, Hows God going with creating that Planet beside Satan, it was up to dawn an dark, volcano;s were erupting water, except it was turning to Ice.there Has to be Nothing if you want God to just zap up a Large Planet..out of no where?
Quote no thing; not anything; naught
something that is nonexistent.
nonexistence; nothingnessLooking at definition 2, Is it just me, or is “something” that is nonexistent, not nothing? It should just say nonexistence, not something that is nonexistent. Isn't something the opposite of nothing?
Nothing: something that doesn't exist. ?
Maybe I'm tired.
Quote (t8 @ Feb. 27 2013,21:07) For Stu. Which one of these statements is true?
Before the Big Bang, there was:
A) nothing
B) something
C) someone (Consciousness)
David, this is the original post.And Stu basically chose nothing, but argued that he did.
Then he wanted me to define nothing, which is the definition you are quoting. However, if he is trying to have something included in the nothing option, then he should change it to something at which point I will ask him what that something was that is the oldest thing.Anyway, as we all knew, he avoids questions at this level, yet is able to mock the idea that there is a God, but provides no real alternative.
So far he proves that he is biased that is all. He doesn't have a clue and his rants about God are meaningless.
Further, I have asked Stu to recruit an Atheist 10 times more intelligent than him to take over from where he has failed. But he either doesn't know one, or they are scared to tackle such an easy question, or there is no Atheist 10 times more intelligent.
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