Truth

[adwolf]

What is evil is belief. Knowing is much better wouldn't you agree! The truth is that man is willing to die for his beliefs and convictions. Not take responsibity for his own sins but say that another will free you of your responsiblity or your truth! True salvation is earning it, not by another. God doesn't put anyone in front of you it is you and your creator.What if the truth is that Jesus didn't die on the cross and lived a full and healthy life. I'm brining this up because many would choose not to seek truth. Truth is very difficult it is the understanding of who you really are this means body, mind, soul and even the spirit. Yes spirit! The age of the true Messiah and one day mankind might wake up and regain his truth. Jesus, Moses, Mohammad none want you to follow them that wasn't the plan they want you to be greater than all of them combined. Help those who are hungry, help those who are afflicted, stop preaching and be God on earth. Stop your belief in hell and make heaven on earth. All dogs go to heaven but all human beings go straight to hell-ohh that is right if they don't except jesus in their heart right? This is evil it is controll! What if their is really no hell do you know or do you believe?What if their is no heaven as the bible says. My definition of heaven is to serve help and heal not just this lifetime but for all eternity. Gods will for all eternity that is what heaven means to me. My anger is people who believe that Jesus is the only way-this is evil. Man needs to understand who and what he is before believing. The Moslems belief in Allah is so strong that they are willing to die for their beliefs. All religion has done to some degree is bring death, pain, misery when it is one way. Please understand that not all religions are evil-people who are extreme in their beliefs. Most Christians belief that Jesus died for their sin that is what makes Christianity. What if he didn't? What if Mohammad really did preach that women and mean are equal in the eye of God? If you really love God would you not want to learn about Jesus life, Moses life, Mohammad life, Budda life, and all other spirtual teachers. If it tells you it is only this way it is evil because it wants controll this is the teaching of the false God called EGO. I will probably be taken off the log because any time truth comes darkness wills it out with false ego.

May mankind find truth,light,love,power,wisdom,protection and find his Godhood, christhood. Jesus taught mankind not to follow ego but his own Christ. Not to follow christ but to be a greater example. Their are people who are doing this, they are aware of who and what they are. Mankind is still sleeping but one day the greater good shall prevail-TRUTH!

God bless

[Bastian]

Hi all how have you been doing!

Ad, I am going to copy your statements, and answer them.

What is evil is belief. (ad)

If belief is evil, then what one believes, or believes in is evil, therefore what you believe must also be evil.

Knowing is much better would not you agree! (ad)

I believe it is going to rain soon, I know when it is grey and overcast this is usually what happens.

So far, what you have said does not make one bit of sense.

The truth is that man is willing to die for his beliefs and convictions. (ad)

Yes, some are that is true.

Matthew 10

Behold, I send you out as sheep in the midst of wolves; so be shrewd as serpents and innocent as doves.
17″But beware of men, for they will hand you over to the courts and scourge you n their synagogues;
18and you will even be brought before governors and kings for My sake, as a testimony to them and to the Gentiles.

Not take responsibity for his own sins but say that another will free you of your responsibility or your truth! (ad)

I can only speak for Christians. Christians take responsibility for their sins when they repent. If you are alluding to Jesus the Christ, he does not take responsibility for anyone’s sin.

True salvation is earning it, not by another.(ad)

Ephesians 2
8For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
9Not of works, lest any man should boast

God does not put anyone in front of you it is you and your creator.

I am not sure what this means. Does this mean people, like Moses, Jesus, Mohammed?

What if the truth is that Jesus did not die on the cross and lived a full and healthy life. I am brining this up because many would choose not to seek truth. (ad)

If you have proof of this, I am most certainly willing to look at it.

Truth is very difficult it is the understanding of who you really are this means body, mind, soul and even the spirit. Yes spirit!
(ad)
Mind and body is the soul. They are not separate entities.

Yes spirit! The age of the true Messiah and one-day humankind might wake up and regain his truth.

Man does not have a spirit. He is a soul. Humanity cannot awaken to believe in something they do not possess.

Jesus, Moses, and Mohammad none wants you to follow them that were not the plan they want you to be greater than they want all of them combined

There an abundance of scripture the refutes what you say about Moses, and Jesus.

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[Bastian]

Help those who are hungry, help those who are afflicted, stop preaching and be God on earth. (Ad)

Yes those are certainly things that we should be doing. We should be good stewards God’s representatives on the earth. Your idea was suggested in Genesis in the garden. It didn't happen then, and it will not happen now. Geez, it never changes. I will make myself like the most High.

Stop your belief in hell and make heaven on earth

Hell is a neo platonic philosophy. People that study the scriptures do not promote a place that does not exist. There will be heaven on earth in the Kingdom.

All dogs go to heaven but all human beings go straight to hell-ohm that is right if they do not except Jesus in their heart right? This is evil it is control!

I really don’t think dogs go to heaven considering that even believers go to the grave until the resurrection. All people go to hell when they die. Hell is the grave.
Accepting Jesus into your heart is not the gospel.

My definition of heaven is to serve help and heal not just this lifetime but for all eternity.(Ad)

That is very noble. How are you going to go about doing this, since you are made from dust, and to dust you will return?

Gods will for all eternity that is what heaven mean to me.

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My anger is people who believe that Jesus is the only way-this is evil.
Man needs to understand who and what he is before believing. The Moslems belief in Allah is so strong that they are willing to die for their beliefs. All religion has done to some degree is bring death, pain, misery when it is one way. Please understand that not all religions are evil-people who are extreme in their beliefs. Most Christian’s belief that Jesus died for their sin that is what makes Christianity. What if he didn't? What if Mohammad really did preach that women and mean are equal in the eye of God? If you really love God, would you not want to learn about Jesus life, Moses life, Mohammad life, Buda life, and all other spiritual teachers? If it tells you, it is only this way it is evil because it wants control this is the teaching of the false God called EGO. I will probably be taken off the log because any time truth comes darkness wills it out with false ego.

My anger is with people that do not research facts before they post on message boards to lambaste other people’s beliefs. Make inflammatory doctrinal statements, when it is obvious they have never cracked open a bible. Moreover, think they are making a profound statements when they carry on like a kid having a temper tantrum. The only ego on this board my friend that is glaringly on display is yours.

Fact, All religion has brought about misery on humankind. Faith in God is not a religion.

Fact, the Hebrews were known as the people of the book. Why, because they were the only people to write down their experiences with their God Yahweh. No religion before had ever done so.

Mohammed came along centuries after Jesus, the New Testament had already been written. Now let us pretend that the Old and the New Testament did not exist.

How would we know about Yahweh? Now let us remove Yah from the equation. What is left?

The truth the you are so found of proclaiming is your truth. I do not proclaim my truth but the word of God. Let God be true and every man a liar.

I wouldn’t mind having a discussion, or even a friendly debate about faith but on a factual basis, not based on your emotions.

B

[kenrch]

Quote (Bastian @ Feb. 17 2006,20:34)

Help those who are hungry, help those who are afflicted, stop preaching and be God on earth. (Ad) Yes those are certainly things that we should be doing. We should be good stewards God’s representatives on the earth. Your idea was suggested in Genesis in the garden. It didn't happen then, and it will not happen now. Geez, it never changes. I will make myself like the most High. Stop your belief in hell and make heaven on earth Hell is a neo platonic philosophy. People that study the scriptures do not promote a place that does not exist. There will be heaven on earth in the Kingdom. All dogs go to heaven but all human beings go straight to hell-ohm that is right if they do not except Jesus in their heart right? This is evil it is control! I really don’t think dogs go to heaven considering that even believers go to the grave until the resurrection. All people go to hell when they die. Hell is the grave. Accepting Jesus into your heart is not the gospel. My definition of heaven is to serve help and heal not just this lifetime but for all eternity.(Ad) That is very noble. How are you going to go about doing this, since you are made from dust, and to dust you will return? Gods will for all eternity that is what heaven mean to me. ? My anger is people who believe that Jesus is the only way-this is evil. Man needs to understand who and what he is before believing. The Moslems belief in Allah is so strong that they are willing to die for their beliefs. All religion has done to some degree is bring death, pain, misery when it is one way. Please understand that not all religions are evil-people who are extreme in their beliefs. Most Christian’s belief that Jesus died for their sin that is what makes Christianity. What if he didn't? What if Mohammad really did preach that women and mean are equal in the eye of God? If you really love God, would you not want to learn about Jesus life, Moses life, Mohammad life, Buda life, and all other spiritual teachers? If it tells you, it is only this way it is evil because it wants control this is the teaching of the false God called EGO. I will probably be taken off the log because any time truth comes darkness wills it out with false ego. My anger is with people that do not research facts before they post on message boards to lambaste other people’s beliefs. Make inflammatory doctrinal statements, when it is obvious they have never cracked open a bible. Moreover, think they are making a profound statements when they carry on like a kid having a temper tantrum. The only ego on this board my friend that is glaringly on display is yours. Fact, All religion has brought about misery on humankind. Faith in God is not a religion. Fact, the Hebrews were known as the people of the book. Why, because they were the only people to write down their experiences with their God Yahweh. No religion before had ever done so. Mohammed came along centuries after Jesus, the New Testament had already been written. Now let us pretend that the Old and the New Testament did not exist. How would we know about Yahweh? Now let us remove Yah from the equation. What is left? The truth the you are so found of proclaiming is your truth. I do not proclaim my truth but the word of God. Let God be true and every man a liar. I wouldn’t mind having a discussion, or even a friendly debate about faith but on a factual basis, not based on your emotions. B

Amen! Bastian

[Cubes]

Quote (adwolf @ Feb. 17 2006,03:56)

What is evil is belief. Knowing is much better wouldn't you agree! The truth is that man is willing to die for his beliefs and convictions. Not take responsibity for his own sins but say that another will free you of your responsiblity or your truth! True salvation is earning it, not by another. God doesn't put anyone in front of you it is you and your creator.What if the truth is that Jesus didn't die on the cross and lived a full and healthy life. I'm brining this up because many would choose not to seek truth. Truth is very difficult it is the understanding of who you really are this means body, mind, soul and even the spirit. Yes spirit! The age of the true Messiah and one day mankind might wake up and regain his truth. Jesus, Moses, Mohammad none want you to follow them that wasn't the plan they want you to be greater than all of them combined. Help those who are hungry, help those who are afflicted, stop preaching and be God on earth. Stop your belief in hell and make heaven on earth. All dogs go to heaven but all human beings go straight to hell-ohh that is right if they don't except jesus in their heart right? This is evil it is controll! What if their is really no hell do you know or do you believe?What if their is no heaven as the bible says. My definition of heaven is to serve help and heal not just this lifetime but for all eternity. Gods will for all eternity that is what heaven means to me. My anger is people who believe that Jesus is the only way-this is evil. Man needs to understand who and what he is before believing. The Moslems belief in Allah is so strong that they are willing to die for their beliefs. All religion has done to some degree is bring death, pain, misery when it is one way. Please understand that not all religions are evil-people who are extreme in their beliefs. Most Christians belief that Jesus died for their sin that is what makes Christianity. What if he didn't? What if Mohammad really did preach that women and mean are equal in the eye of God? If you really love God would you not want to learn about Jesus life, Moses life, Mohammad life, Budda life, and all other spirtual teachers. If it tells you it is only this way it is evil because it wants controll this is the teaching of the false God called EGO. I will probably be taken off the log because any time truth comes darkness wills it out with false ego. May mankind find truth,light,love,power,wisdom,protection and find his Godhood, christhood. Jesus taught mankind not to follow ego but his own Christ. Not to follow christ but to be a greater example. Their are people who are doing this, they are aware of who and what they are. Mankind is still sleeping but one day the greater good shall prevail-TRUTH! God bless

1 Cor 15:16 If there is no resurrection of the dead, then Christ has not been raised. 17 And if Christ has not been raised, then your faith is useless, and you are still under condemnation for your sins. 18 In that case, all who have died believing in Christ have perished! 19 And if we have hope in Christ only for this life, we are the most miserable people in the world.
20 But the fact is that Christ has been raised from the dead. He has become the first of a great harvest of those who will be raised to life again.

All I know is that I wouldn't trade the life that I have in Christ for anything else in the world.

[MrBob]

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What is evil is belief. Knowing is much better wouldn't you agree!

You know everything? Please tell us what you know, because as you said, believing is evil. Since you must not be evil enough to believe, you must only know.

Do you always go to a store knowing they have the item you want? Have you always gone to an unfamiliar auto parts or grocery store and have always gotten the exact oil filter or bag of chips you expected?

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My definition of heaven is to serve help and heal not just this lifetime but for all eternity. Gods will for all eternity that is what heaven means to me. My anger is people who believe that Jesus is the only way-this is evil.

Thanks for the definition. I always believed (gasp!) heaven to be the outer expanse outside the Earth. But since you know, I must be wrong.

It's okay for you to define heaven on a whim, but not for others?

Quote (adwolf @ Feb. 16 2006,22:56)

Help those who are hungry, help those who are afflicted, stop preaching and be God on earth. Stop your belief in hell and make heaven on earth.

You're right: believers of Christ are to be the salt of the Earth and the light of the world. However, the glory is the God through his son, not to us. For we didn't receive our gift by works of our own righteousness, but by grace. Therefore we (the believers) should mainfest our joy for this grace by turning a new leaf for the good.

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Jesus taught mankind not to follow ego but his own Christ. Not to follow christ but to be a greater example. Their are people who are doing this, they are aware of who and what they are.

Luke 9:23 (NIV)
Then he said to them all: “If anyone would come after me, he must deny himself and take up his cross daily and follow me.”

Let's pay no mind the 2000 year-old record, because you know. How can you make such a claim? Were you there when Jesus walked the Earth? Did you find some hidden ancient manuscript containing an alternate record of Christ, or did you just dig this from your own imagination?

Who is really the deceived? The ones who read a record and act on it along with the evidence through each of their testimonies, or the ones who make up pretty stories?

I was once faced with the belief of universalism. I once considered what you believe. In fact, many people I know do believe in this doctrine. To believe that there are other ways is to make a mockery of Jesus' sacrifice.

Perhaps you've been brainwashed about Jesus by so-called Christendom. The enemy has used sincere people to turn others from God. If you are going to know anything about heavenly and Godly things, know this: that the God Yahweh has a deep love for all of humanity and wants to be your father. Despite the whinings of Christendom, your life is worth something. If it wasn't, Jesus would not have died for you–but he did. Take hold of the gift that is set before you: you won't regret it.

To Bastian and Cubes: Right on, peace be with you.

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