Trinity – t8's proof text #2

[NickHassan]

Hi W,
How is calling on Jesus prayer?
Your doctrine enlarges line by line.

[Worshipping Jesus]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 24 2007,16:29)

Hi w, You say “Three persons that you fellowship with right?” We fellowship WITH God and His Son 1 John 1:3 That which we have seen and heard declare we unto you, that ye also may have fellowship with us: and truly our fellowship is with the Father, and with his Son Jesus Christ. But we fellowship in the Spirit not with the Spirit. Philippians 2:1 [ Be Like Christ ] Therefore if there is any encouragement in Christ, if there is any consolation of love, if there is any fellowship of the Spirit, if any affection and compassion, and in that Spirit we fellowship with one another. 1 John 1:7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin. But if we do not abide in the Word we lose fellowship with God and His son. 2Jn 9Anyone who goes too far and does not abide in the teaching of Christ, does not have God; the one who abides in the teaching, he has both the Father and the Son. Trinity theory goes too far.

NH

So you dont believe this scripture?

2 Corinthians 13:14
The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the fellowship (koinonia) of the Holy Spirit, be with you all.

[Worshipping Jesus]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 24 2007,16:31)

Hi W, How is calling on Jesus prayer? Your doctrine enlarges line by line.

NH

LOL!

What is it then?

Lets see…

Hey guys when you call on the Lord Jesus that is not prayer!

Prayer is when you call on the Father!

[NickHassan]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ May 24 2007,16:32)

Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 24 2007,16:29) Hi w, You say “Three persons that you fellowship with right?” We fellowship WITH God and His Son 1 John 1:3 That which we have seen and heard declare we unto you, that ye also may have fellowship with us: and truly our fellowship is with the Father, and with his Son Jesus Christ. But we fellowship in the Spirit not with the Spirit. Philippians 2:1 [ Be Like Christ ] Therefore if there is any encouragement in Christ, if there is any consolation of love, if there is any fellowship of the Spirit, if any affection and compassion, and in that Spirit we fellowship with one another. 1 John 1:7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin. But if we do not abide in the Word we lose fellowship with God and His son. 2Jn 9Anyone who goes too far and does not abide in the teaching of Christ, does not have God; the one who abides in the teaching, he has both the Father and the Son. Trinity theory goes too far. NH So you dont believe this scripture? 2 Corinthians 13:14 The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the fellowship (koinonia) of the Holy Spirit, be with you all.

Hi W,
The fellowship of the Holy Spirit is that blessed coming together of those who share that one Spirit.

[NickHassan]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ May 24 2007,16:35)

Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 24 2007,16:31) Hi W, How is calling on Jesus prayer? Your doctrine enlarges line by line. NH LOL! What is it then? Lets see… Hey guys when you call on the Lord Jesus that is not prayer! Prayer is when you call on the Father!

Hi W,
The description of prayer given by Jesus is different to yours.

[Worshipping Jesus]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 24 2007,16:31)

Hi W, How is calling on Jesus prayer? Your doctrine enlarges line by line.

NH

Acts 7:59
And they stoned Stephen, calling upon God, and saying, Lord Jesus, receive my spirit.

Acts 22:16
And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.

Acts 2:21
And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved.

Acts 9:14
And here he hath authority from the chief priests to bind all that call on thy name.

Rom 10:12
For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.

Rom 10:13
For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

Rom 10:14
How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?

1 Cor 1:2
Unto the church of God which is at Corinth, to them that are sanctified in Christ Jesus, called [to be] saints, with all that in every place call upon the name of Jesus Christ our Lord, both theirs and ours:

2 Tim 2:22
Flee also youthful lusts: but follow righteousness, faith, charity, peace, with them that call on the Lord out of a pure heart.

Is this not prayer NH?

[Worshipping Jesus]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 24 2007,16:41)

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ May 24 2007,16:32) Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 24 2007,16:29) Hi w, You say “Three persons that you fellowship with right?” We fellowship WITH God and His Son 1 John 1:3 That which we have seen and heard declare we unto you, that ye also may have fellowship with us: and truly our fellowship is with the Father, and with his Son Jesus Christ. But we fellowship in the Spirit not with the Spirit. Philippians 2:1 [ Be Like Christ ] Therefore if there is any encouragement in Christ, if there is any consolation of love, if there is any fellowship of the Spirit, if any affection and compassion, and in that Spirit we fellowship with one another. 1 John 1:7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin. But if we do not abide in the Word we lose fellowship with God and His son. 2Jn 9Anyone who goes too far and does not abide in the teaching of Christ, does not have God; the one who abides in the teaching, he has both the Father and the Son. Trinity theory goes too far. NH So you dont believe this scripture? 2 Corinthians 13:14 The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the fellowship (koinonia) of the Holy Spirit, be with you all. Hi W, The fellowship of the Holy Spirit is that blessed coming together of those who share that one Spirit.

NH

Whos changing the word fellowship now?

[NickHassan]

Hi w,
Show me where we fellowship WITH the Spirit as well as the Father and the Son.

[Worshipping Jesus]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 24 2007,16:42)

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ May 24 2007,16:35) Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 24 2007,16:31) Hi W, How is calling on Jesus prayer? Your doctrine enlarges line by line. NH LOL! What is it then? Lets see… Hey guys when you call on the Lord Jesus that is not prayer! Prayer is when you call on the Father! Hi W, The description of prayer given by Jesus is different to yours.

NH

What do you have a canned prayer?

Did not Jesus also say ask him?

Jn 14:
13 “Whatever you ask in My name, that will I do, so that the Father may be glorified in the Son.
14 “If you ask Me anything in My name, I will do it.

[Worshipping Jesus]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 24 2007,16:54)

Hi w, Show me where we fellowship WITH the Spirit as well as the Father and the Son.

Nh

I just did!

KJV
The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the communion of the Holy Ghost, [be] with you all. Amen

NKJV
The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the communion of the Holy Spirit be with you all. Amen.

NLT
May the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ, the love of God, and the fellowship of the Holy Spirit be with you all

NIV
May the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the fellowship of the Holy Spirit be with you all.

NASB
The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the fellowship of the Holy Spirit, be with you all.

The Spirit teaches us, guides us, leads us, comforts us, strengthens us, and much more.

Would you not consider that fellowship?

[NickHassan]

Hi W,
Sorry I must have missed it.
KJV
The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the communion OF the Holy Ghost, [be] with you all. Amen

NKJV
The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the communion OF the Holy Spirit be with you all. Amen.

NLT
May the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ, the love of God, and the fellowship OF the Holy Spirit be with you all

NIV
May the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the fellowship OF the Holy Spirit be with you all.

NASB
The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the fellowship OF the Holy Spirit, be with you all.

[Worshipping Jesus]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 24 2007,17:13)

Hi W, Sorry I must have missed it. KJV The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the communion OF the Holy Ghost, [be] with you all. Amen NKJV The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the communion OF the Holy Spirit be with you all. Amen. NLT May the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ, the love of God, and the fellowship OF the Holy Spirit be with you all NIV May the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the fellowship OF the Holy Spirit be with you all. NASB The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the fellowship OF the Holy Spirit, be with you all.

NH

Cant help you then friend!

Its right there in front of you.

Fellowship of the Spirit!

[Cult Buster]

[Proclaimer]

Fellowship OF or fellowship WITH?

[Proclaimer]

2 Corinthians 13:14
May the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the fellowship of the Holy Spirit be with you all.

2 Corinthians 13:14
May the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and fellowship with the Holy Spirit be of you all.

Which one is the right one?

Todays question was brought to you by the number five.

i.e., the Trinity plus two.

[Cult Buster]

t8. Have you ever experience the fellowship of your brethren. Do you fellowship?

If you experience the fellowship of the Holy Spirit then you are fellowshiping with Him.

Obviously you are playing word games again.

Your doctrine is the same as Jehovah's Witnesses who deny the divine Person of the Holy Spirit.

Can you enjoy the fellowship of an energy force?

Of course not! We can enjoy the fellowship of the Holy Spirit because He is a Person. A divine Person.

THE HOLY SPIRIT IS A PERSON: FORTY PERSONAL ATTRIBUTES

1) Helps: Jn 14:16,26, 15:26, 16:7, Rom 8:26, 1 Jn 2:1.
2) Glorifies: Jn 16:13-14.
3) Can be Known: Jn 14:17.
4) Gives Abilities: Acts 2:4, 1 Cor 12:7-11.
5) Referred to as “He”: Jn 14:26, 15:26, 16:7-8,13.
6) Loves: Rom 15:30.
7) Guides: Jn 16:13.
8) Comforts: Jn 14:26, 15:26, 16:7, Acts 9:31.
9) Teaches: Lk 12:12, Jn 14:26.
10) Reminds: Jn 14:26.
11) Bears Witness: Jn 15:26, Acts 5:32, Rom 8:16.
12) Has Impulses: Jn 16:13.
13) Hears: Jn 16:13.
14) Leads: Mt 4:1, Acts 8:39, Rom 8:14.
15) Pleads: Rom 8:26-27.
16) Longs (Yearns): Jas 4:5.
17) Wills: 1 Cor 12:11.
18) Thinks: Acts 15:25,28.
19) Sends: Acts 13:4.
20) Dispatches: Acts 10:20.
21) Impels: Mk 1:12.
22) Speaks: Jn 16:13-15, Acts 8:29, 10:19, 11:12, 13:2.
23) Forbids: Acts 16:6-7.
24) Appoints: Acts 20:28.
25) Reveals: Lk 2:26, 1 Cor 2:10.
26) Calls to Ministry: Acts 13:2.
27) Can be Grieved: Is 63:10, Eph 4:30.
28) Can be Insulted: Heb 10:29.
29) Can be Lied to: Acts 5:3-4.
30) Can be Blasphemed: Mt 12:31-32.
31) Strives: Gen 6:3.
32) Is Knowledgeable: Is 40:13, Acts 10:19, 1 Cor 2:10-13.
33) Can be Vexed: Is 63:10.
34) Judges: Jn 16:8.
35) Prophesies: Acts 21:11, 28:25, 1 Tim 4:1.
36) Has Fellowship: 2 Cor 13:14.
37) Gives Grace: Heb 10:29.
38) Agrees: 1 Jn 5:7-8.
39) Offers Life: 2 Cor 3:6, Rev 22:17.
40) Is the Creator: Job 33:4.

Mat 23:24  Ye blind guides, which strain at a gnat, and swallow a camel.  

[Worshipping Jesus]

Quote (Cult Buster @ May 27 2007,02:40)

t8. Have you ever experience the fellowship of your brethren. Do you fellowship? If you experience the fellowship of the Holy Spirit then you are fellowshiping with Him. Obviously you are playing word games again. Your doctrine is the same as Jehovah's Witnesses who deny the divine Person of the Holy Spirit. Can you enjoy the fellowship of an energy force? Of course not! We can enjoy the fellowship of the Holy Spirit because He is a Person. A divine Person. THE HOLY SPIRIT IS A PERSON: FORTY PERSONAL ATTRIBUTES 1) Helps: Jn 14:16,26, 15:26, 16:7, Rom 8:26, 1 Jn 2:1. 2) Glorifies: Jn 16:13-14. 3) Can be Known: Jn 14:17. 4) Gives Abilities: Acts 2:4, 1 Cor 12:7-11. 5) Referred to as “He”: Jn 14:26, 15:26, 16:7-8,13. 6) Loves: Rom 15:30. 7) Guides: Jn 16:13. 8) Comforts: Jn 14:26, 15:26, 16:7, Acts 9:31. 9) Teaches: Lk 12:12, Jn 14:26. 10) Reminds: Jn 14:26. 11) Bears Witness: Jn 15:26, Acts 5:32, Rom 8:16. 12) Has Impulses: Jn 16:13. 13) Hears: Jn 16:13. 14) Leads: Mt 4:1, Acts 8:39, Rom 8:14. 15) Pleads: Rom 8:26-27. 16) Longs (Yearns): Jas 4:5. 17) Wills: 1 Cor 12:11. 18) Thinks: Acts 15:25,28. 19) Sends: Acts 13:4. 20) Dispatches: Acts 10:20. 21) Impels: Mk 1:12. 22) Speaks: Jn 16:13-15, Acts 8:29, 10:19, 11:12, 13:2. 23) Forbids: Acts 16:6-7. 24) Appoints: Acts 20:28. 25) Reveals: Lk 2:26, 1 Cor 2:10. 26) Calls to Ministry: Acts 13:2. 27) Can be Grieved: Is 63:10, Eph 4:30. 28) Can be Insulted: Heb 10:29. 29) Can be Lied to: Acts 5:3-4. 30) Can be Blasphemed: Mt 12:31-32. 31) Strives: Gen 6:3. 32) Is Knowledgeable: Is 40:13, Acts 10:19, 1 Cor 2:10-13. 33) Can be Vexed: Is 63:10. 34) Judges: Jn 16:8. 35) Prophesies: Acts 21:11, 28:25, 1 Tim 4:1. 36) Has Fellowship: 2 Cor 13:14. 37) Gives Grace: Heb 10:29. 38) Agrees: 1 Jn 5:7-8. 39) Offers Life: 2 Cor 3:6, Rev 22:17. 40) Is the Creator: Job 33:4. Mat 23:24  Ye blind guides, which strain at a gnat, and swallow a camel.

CB

How true!!!

I am just curious t8.

How old are you?

   

[NickHassan]

Quote (Cult Buster @ May 27 2007,02:40)

t8. Have you ever experience the fellowship of your brethren. Do you fellowship? If you experience the fellowship of the Holy Spirit then you are fellowshiping with Him. Obviously you are playing word games again. Your doctrine is the same as Jehovah's Witnesses who deny the divine Person of the Holy Spirit. Can you enjoy the fellowship of an energy force? Of course not! We can enjoy the fellowship of the Holy Spirit because He is a Person. A divine Person. THE HOLY SPIRIT IS A PERSON: FORTY PERSONAL ATTRIBUTES 1) Helps: Jn 14:16,26, 15:26, 16:7, Rom 8:26, 1 Jn 2:1. 2) Glorifies: Jn 16:13-14. 3) Can be Known: Jn 14:17. 4) Gives Abilities: Acts 2:4, 1 Cor 12:7-11. 5) Referred to as “He”: Jn 14:26, 15:26, 16:7-8,13. 6) Loves: Rom 15:30. 7) Guides: Jn 16:13. 8) Comforts: Jn 14:26, 15:26, 16:7, Acts 9:31. 9) Teaches: Lk 12:12, Jn 14:26. 10) Reminds: Jn 14:26. 11) Bears Witness: Jn 15:26, Acts 5:32, Rom 8:16. 12) Has Impulses: Jn 16:13. 13) Hears: Jn 16:13. 14) Leads: Mt 4:1, Acts 8:39, Rom 8:14. 15) Pleads: Rom 8:26-27. 16) Longs (Yearns): Jas 4:5. 17) Wills: 1 Cor 12:11. 18) Thinks: Acts 15:25,28. 19) Sends: Acts 13:4. 20) Dispatches: Acts 10:20. 21) Impels: Mk 1:12. 22) Speaks: Jn 16:13-15, Acts 8:29, 10:19, 11:12, 13:2. 23) Forbids: Acts 16:6-7. 24) Appoints: Acts 20:28. 25) Reveals: Lk 2:26, 1 Cor 2:10. 26) Calls to Ministry: Acts 13:2. 27) Can be Grieved: Is 63:10, Eph 4:30. 28) Can be Insulted: Heb 10:29. 29) Can be Lied to: Acts 5:3-4. 30) Can be Blasphemed: Mt 12:31-32. 31) Strives: Gen 6:3. 32) Is Knowledgeable: Is 40:13, Acts 10:19, 1 Cor 2:10-13. 33) Can be Vexed: Is 63:10. 34) Judges: Jn 16:8. 35) Prophesies: Acts 21:11, 28:25, 1 Tim 4:1. 36) Has Fellowship: 2 Cor 13:14. 37) Gives Grace: Heb 10:29. 38) Agrees: 1 Jn 5:7-8. 39) Offers Life: 2 Cor 3:6, Rev 22:17. 40) Is the Creator: Job 33:4. Mat 23:24  Ye blind guides, which strain at a gnat, and swallow a camel.

Hi CB,
Is 40 implications enough to make one fact? Surely just one verse can be found to give a little substance to your idea?

[Proclaimer]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ May 28 2007,01:27)

I am just curious t8. How old are you?

Old enough to watch Sesame Street.

What about you?

[Proclaimer]

Quote (Cult Buster @ May 27 2007,21:40)

t8. Have you ever experience the fellowship of your brethren. Do you fellowship? If you experience the fellowship of the Holy Spirit then you are fellowshiping with Him. Obviously you are playing word games again. Your doctrine is the same as Jehovah's Witnesses who deny the divine Person of the Holy Spirit. Can you enjoy the fellowship of an energy force? Of course not! We can enjoy the fellowship of the Holy Spirit because He is a Person. A divine Person.

I never questioned that you can experience fellowship of.

I just reinforced what Nick said. i.e., that the verse said fellowship OF, not fellowship WITH. That was a true statement and I wasn't pushing an agenda with it.

I have fellowship WITH brethren and generally speaking I enjoy the fellowship of the Body. But when I have fellowship with a person, I don't say it like “I had fellowship of”.

You can read into that what you like. All I did was agree that the verse said OF, not WITH.

What is to be concluded from that is up to you.

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